Transcripts For MSNBCW MSNBC Live With Stephanie Ruhle 20170

Transcripts For MSNBCW MSNBC Live With Stephanie Ruhle 20170216

Replacement as democrats celebrate a victory. There is some good news today for workers, women and families in america. Good morning. We are coming to you live from washington, d. C. , where the white house and congress are targeting u. S. Intelligence agencies as they try to figure out who leaked the information that brought down National Security adviser, Michael Flynn. Your luck, i have the best team with me this morning. I want to take you to Nbcs Kristen Welker at the white house. Kristen, i want to start slow. It appears Congress Wants to go after is not the russia itself, not was it mike flynn or who else, but who from the intelligence agencies may have leaked it. Reporter well, thats certainly some of the investigations that are being requested, steph. Theres a lot going on on capitol hill. Lets look at all the members of congress who are requesting investigations. Jason chaffetz, the chairman of the oversight committee, as well as bob goodlattie. They are requesting information into the leaks, as you point out, not necessarily who was doing, why flynn was talking to russia and what he was talking about. Other investigations have been requested, including by nancy pelosi, as well as richard burr. They are actually asking for a broader look into what, specifically, went down with flynn, what consisted of his conversations with russia. But, this is striking, steph, because this comes as you have the president really ramping up his fight with the Intelligence Community. Yesterday, during that press conference with the israeli prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu saying it was the medias fault and those leak that is were to blame for the oust of Michael Flynn, not Michael Flynn himself. He was the one who asked for Michael Flynns resignation. A lot of moving parts here. The president , himself, moving forward with his own probe into those leaks, steph. When he went to see the cia after his inauguration, he said im going to love you guys, im going to have your back so much, you are going to say, enough, enough, i dont need it. Now, theres reports hes bringing in someone to do an overhaul of the whole joint . Thats right. Theres a lot of skepticism. This is a wall street guy. Hes someone who is the cofounder of capital management. Skepticism about whether or not he is the right person to head up this probe. Again, this is something the president has been talking about a lot, that he wants to investigate these leaks of intelligence communities now. We are seeing him move forward. Look at the tweet from earlier where he doubled down on the accusations of the Intelligence Community to blame, he tweeted leaking an illegal classified leaking has been a big problem in washington for years, failing New York Times and others must apologize. So, the president not backing down from those accusations as he prepares to move forward with stephen fineburg, the question is is that the right person for the job and how will he be received as he digs into what the president says are leaks. I want to dig into what it means. I have a great panel. Washington post political reporter, chris liza and secretary defense for russia. We are going to our correspondent in europe in a moment. Steve, cofounder, what he does is distressed assets. He looks for broken companies, cuts them up and puts them together somewhat. Hes not a builder. Its not like President Trump is saying lets bring a jack welsh type of Warren Buffett who can sit down with the agency and the generals and ask common sense questions. Rex tillerson is speaking now. I want to take you there. The interest and values of america and her allies. As we search for new common ground, we expect russia to honor the commitment and work to deescalate the violence in ukraine. Thank you very much. That, of course, was secretary of state, Rex Tillerson. I want to talk about another corporate guy, steve fienburg. President trump is saying i want to clean house, i want to clean this up. Steve fienburg is a big republican donor. He gave over 1 million to the campaign. He served quail and john snow and knows steven bannon. This is a true outsider. Help me understand, when he sits down with the intelligence agencies, this is a different language. He doesnt have government. He doesnt have military. He doesnt have intelligence experience. I consult for dine corp. When im not here. I know steve fienburg. It sets up a relationship and the Intelligence Community is feeling under assault and under siege. Again, what i think donald trump is doing, what the president is doing is deflecting. The problem is not leaking. Its the relationship they have with russia. Lets talk about the real issue. What is this administrations policy going to be and why are they motivated to fall all over themselves to cooperate . I mean, look, i get it in that its someone he trusts, right . Thats the key. Hes big on loyalty. Someone he trusts, you put them in there. The problem is, even if you put someone who knew the intelligence world better in there, donald trump spent lots of the campaign, the transition and being in the white house running down our intelligence agency. They are doing a bad job. They are not organized well. So, its always going to be that type of relationship. Look, at the end of the day, yes, investigating the leaks and how the Intelligence Community works is a worthy endeavor. But, its not the most important thing here. The Foreign Government hacking into our election with the expressed purpose of electing one person and not the other and oh, yeah, the person they were working to elect, the guy who is a National Security adviser was having conversations that he deceived the Vice President about. Should we not look at these leaks as more like whistle blowing . Yeah. I mean, these leaks led to mike flynn having to resign. If this was a Fake News Media drummed up issue, couldnt President Trump say im sticking with this guy. 4 00 p. M. , kellyanne conway, we are with him, then sean spicer, reviewing, then hes out. Why . The reason sean spicer says we let go of mike flynn, we asked him to resign. There was question, did he resign. We asked him to resign because he lost the trust of the president. Donald trump comes out on wednesday and says the fake news railroaded a good man. You are the one that said you fired him because you dont trust him. Both of those things cant be true. It cant be the medias fault for railroading a good man and he was fired because you lost trust in him. Those things do not add up. On the whistle blowing thing, they are cries of concern. They worked with me in there as a political person. They have seen the intelligence. They know what the administration is not addressing. They know that the hill, because of the security clearances they have up there, has access to information. But, they are afraid the American Public is somehow not going to know the full extent of what this administrations entanglement with russia is. Srk its not like President Trump doesnt have his own guys there. He has cotes and copompeo. Is that not a little like instituted the travel ban the night before Rex Tillerson gets sworn in . Here is what we know yes is the short answer. Here is what we know about him. He acts, then sees what reaction is. He does that. He has done that throughout the campaign and did it in the transition and in the white house. You mean trump . Trump. He does stuff, then sees how it shakes out. Thats how he works. It does seem like you are putting the cart before the horse. I remind people, they are like, why not have a staff shake up. Hes been president 26 days. Normally, we are talking this person figured out where the bathroom is, not this person is out of the white house. Already, we have a list of people to replace reince priebus. One claimed he was hired as the White House Press secretary. You are seeing unprecedented levels of cart before horsing. This strikes me as sort of a mediocre level of that. You know . Its not like the Washington Post says we are looking to replace chris lizza. I still work here. Dont rule that out as a motivational factor. Can i say about the swamp . Trump said drain the swamp. If you do, you are putting in professionals. It consists of intelligence professionals, serious people you need to run the government properly. Maybe thats why Time Magazine is talking about anxiety levels going up. Secretary of state Rex Tillerson, we saw him a few moments ago at the g20 in germany and james mattis is meeting with nato counter parts in brussels. Lucy is in germany. We got the tail end of the statement from secretary tillerson. What else did he say . Reporter hey, stephanie, if only one could have been a fly on the wall, this is the meeting you want to sit in on. That just wrapped up. Tillerson talked about,vaguely, what they focused on. This was the first facetoface meeting with sergey lavrov. They discussed the situation in ukraine. No talk of lifting sanctions. They focused on issues of cooperation the two companies could Work Together on for example, fighting isis. More than that, we dont know. There was a brief press availability before this meeting where one reporter managed to squeeze in a question whether lavrov was concerned about the turmoil in washington and the controversies. He said we do not interfere with the Domestic Affairs of other countries. They are tight lipped about the details. Rex tillerson has strong ties with russia. This is the first meeting. Hes no stranger to the country. The chief of exxon mobile, gave no leverage. We dont know. There are a lot of questions about what trumps America First policy means for allies here, what it means for the relationship with russia Going Forward and what it looks like on the ground. We have to give it a few days to play out because they did not reveal any new details about what they might have agreed on. Stephenie . Rex tillerson has a close relationship to Vladimir Putin as Henry Kissinger did. I want to return to nbc News Pentagon correspondent. Reporter james mattis ruling out military cooperation with russia. He did that here at the nato summit. It was the final press conference, making this point the military conditions simply are not there for milltomill cooperation with russia and asked about russias interference in the president ial election. He thought that to be true. He would expect it in the other democracies of nato. Its a clear warning to france and germany, who are both going to host president ial elections this year. On the issue of isis and what to expect in terms of additional ground troops. Remember, special forlss are in syria. He said hes not the right person to ask. It was a strong indication, almost to a, the decision has been made, b, he doesnt want to tell us or c, he wants to talk to allies in the region before a public announcement. A final note on the issue of more defense spending by other nato countries, he says the message, the ultimatum was well received. Steph, back to you. Thanks, hans. You know russia well. Hes been quiet up to now. How difficult is it for Rex Tillerson to come out, given all the noise, donald trump, never denouncing russia or Vladimir Putin. Things are hairy. I have a piece on the foreign policy, the shadow government for people who used to be in government. In the piece, i say we dont have a policy on russia. We had the president say certain things and the u. N. Ambassador said things about ukraine and crimea. We dont know what the policy is. Tillerson, what i read this morning in the papers was, basically, hes on a listening tour. I guess he has to be. I dont know that he has clear instructions from the white house about what our policy is toward russia. I hope he said something to the russians about ukraine. Theres an up tick in fighting. Thats been fueled by the russian accept separatists. Then theres syria. I dont know what hes saying to them, but i hope hes at least putting them on notice that we are going toecome more active in syria and hopefully telling them to cut it out in ukraine. 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Who is next for labor, thats the question. I want to bridge in the president of voter latino. Back with us still, chris lizza. Andy puzder, the news has been out there around him for weeks, who he is, hes not the man who works for the common working person. Theres issues with the housekeeper. He had a domestic violence, then it went away. Then he withdraws yesterday. What do you make of it . Dont you think the cross in congress of crossing a nominee dropped the last three days . All this has been out there. We know the kind of executive he was. If thats not the kind of executive you want in that position, that position was available to you a long time ago. Also, we have known, as you point out, about the nanny for a while. I think that there might have been senators on the fence, people like tim scott who might have wanted to hold up the party line, but had personal objections the way puzder treated minorities at restaurants and found maybe theres not that high of a price to pay right now. What is your take . I think its right. We are starting to see that the administration had has so many cracks from within, the republicans are feeling they have the ability to put a line in the sand and say that is not what we are going to do. In all fairness, the secretary of labor, its an easy one to knock down. It says look american people, im on your side. They dont have to pursue bigger item issues like investigating the russian leaks. Look, the goal was to take one of these down because the truth of the matter is, this is going to be the most conservative cabinet you have seen because of harry reid and making it 50 votes. A lot of them would not have gotten through with 50 votes. Tillerson, i think was a long shot. Devos, i think thought thought mnuchin, price at hhs. So, labor is important. Its an easy one. We are standsing up for the little guy. Its right in the wheelhouse. If you Ask Donald Trump who would you rather have, mnuchin or puzder . The answer is mnuchin. Looking at the people floated to replace puzder, personally less objection able but they want the exact same thing for the labor market. Thats not wrong, but again, its representation saying we have backbone against this administration. Its a low hit for them. We are going to have this conversation. The senate is going to sit down and well have an interesting conversation about creating growth in america. The steve puzder motto is if you drive down cost, you get economic growth. We have been trying it. Regulation stood in the way from industry expandsing without a doubt, you can talk to ceos in that industry and say guess what . Given the regulation i face, im not expanding in certain states. This is where we have to have a broader conversation with american people. You are saying the economic growth, we are talking hand linked to automation. Its not jobs for the american people, its automating the jobs. Is that an appetite we are ready to have when they say im struggling to make ends meet . The other thing i say is, i think that you are looking at a white house that is, and a chief executive that is consolidating power. You are not going to the labor secretary is not going to largely be like, now i will decide what labor policy. This is true with obama, too. The chief executive is consolidating power, power, power. This is what donald tru

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