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Abruptly quits. What does it mean as democrats seek his testimony . Meantime, new information about a timeline for impeachment. The state of house voting to impeach the preltsident is the g question. And Amy Klobuchar joins me in a few minutes. We have a lot to get to in the white house whistleblower firestorm this hour. The New York Times now reports the white house classified Computer System is used to hold transcripts of not only trumps conversations with ukraine also with Vladimir Putin and the saudi royal family and the Washington Post reports President Trump told top russian officials he wasnt concerned about moscows interference in the u. S. Election. This as the first subpoenas in the tendayold whistleblower scandal are now issued to none other than than secretary mike pompeo. The number of house representatives supporting from form of impeachment inquiry continues to grow. The latest tally from nbc news now 226. Joining me now to unpack this is nbcs White House Correspondent kelly odonnell, joining me from the north lawn. Kelly, start with the New York Times reporting. That story about the classified Computer System being used to hold transcripts of sensitive calls. What more are we learning about that this hour . Reporter the New York Times was able to move the ball forward to identify calls from putin and calls between the president and putin and between the president and saudis crown prince were included. We had at nbc also been reporting about the use of this extra secure server, which would require a code word to get access to documents contained therein. So over the last couple days our reporting has been that the white house chose to use what would be classified conversations between the president and a foreign leader at a lower level typically, but still classified, and put them in the highest level of secure server protection, which would mean far fewer people would have access to them. What we have not been able to determine yet and the New York Times has filled it in a bit was only the bidenrelated call between the president and ukraine and now the reporting suggests it goes beyond that to include other what would be highprofile calls to be sure whatever the president , whenever he speaks to Vladimir Putin or the saudi crown prince. Remember at the time of the controversy of the death of the Washington Post columnist khashoggi. What we dont know is are more random, if i could use that term, less highprofile leader calls also placed behind that kind of a protective call . Thats part of what we dont yet know. Our reporting is the white house does acknowledge that nsc lawyers, National Security Council Lawyers made this decision to put those documents behind that wall of security, and they call that appropriate. Others have said by predicting thpredicting restricting that access it cuts off other parts of the government from understanding these conversations. Was it done because there was concern about the content of the call or just trying to protect the president from leaks and embarrassment . Earlier in the Administration Calls with leaders to australia and mexico who were not the subject of controversies, were leaked in some form and fashion, became parts of news stories that were unflattering to the president , and his displeasure at that caused them to change some of the procedures. So thats part of what were learning through the whistleblower complaint about this system. The real core of what the impeachment inquiry will be about is not so much the server and the process, but what was the president s conduct . What was he offering, if anything, demanding, if anything, with the ukrainian leader to try to get information about joe biden and his son hunter biden . And thats what lawmakers are certainly going to be trying to get at and thats whats key in what well see in a rare recess time with congress out of town, members of the Intelligence Committee will still be doing some work during that break to try to get some additional information. Namely doing interviews with state Department Officials and set a deadline of next friday for the secretary of state under subpoena to provide documents to try to give them a better understanding of the role of the state department in the work that the president s personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, was doing to try to pressure as they described it ukraine to look at the bidens. Kendis . Kelly, ask you about those subpoenas. Nobel subpoena the secretary of state but several state debt officials. Are those basically dead on arrival or do you get a sense the white house will cooperate . Reporter theyve subpoenaed secretary of state, custodian of all documents for the department of state. That went to him for documents the committee is trying to seek. Its not clear to us at all. I dont believe the people asking to do interviews with are under subpoena. Theyve scheduled several officials to do depositions. Behindthescenes interview. Not the big hearing were accustomed to seeing to include specific fact. The former ambassador to ukraine who lost her position in the midst of a lot of this controversy. Also people who would have Key Information about how Rudy Giuliani may have been interacting could also include state Department Official who was said to have been on the phone call when the president was speaking with president zelensky of ukraine. This is congress trying to compel the state department to cooperate. Will it go anywhere . A subpoenas a powerful tool. Congress has this authority and now under an impeachment inquiry it is a greater authority. But so far the administration has been obstructing whatever it can trying to provide this. So it will be an important thing to see what happens with that deadline on friday, if the secretary of state will comply. Kendis . While democrats try to speed things up you get a sense the white house will be fighting this all the way. Kelly odonnell there at the white house. By the way, overnight this came as a big surprise to us. One of the key persons that kelly kind of referred to there seen as a leeson between the president and top ukrainian officials suddenly resigned his post as special envoy. Ambassador kurt you havolker. Put President Trump in touch with ukrainian officials around the time of the call from the president. Josh what are we learning more why he may have stepped down and the possible impact this might have on testimony that hes expected to make come next week . It could be significant for the impeachment proceedings kendis, because lawmakers will want to hear all about what happened with Rudy Giuliani and ukraine . Why the state department seemed to be facilitating interactions between Rudy Giuliani and the Ukrainian Government . And what mr. Volker knew about it and why he decided to take that critical step of introducing mr. Giuliani to the ukrainian president s office, and if kurt volker, this u. S. Representative was still in government, might have been limited what he could say. Might have gotten pressure from the administration not to go testify or not to be as forthcoming. Now that hes out of office no longer serving in government, associates of mr. Volker tell us they expect he will be much freer in what hes able to say if he does go to speak to congress, and as you mentioned we expect that request will be coming very soon. And, josh, as you know, volker is mentioned, i said some five times in that whistleblower report. What exactly what his involvement . So he had been serving as the special representative for ukraine negotiations and after that trump phone call with the ukrainian president weve all been reading and talking about, where trump basically said he wanted the ukrainians to talk to Rudy Giuliani. The ukrainians reached out to kurt volker they knew from serious ways and put us in touch with Rudy Giuliani and he did. Unanimous how this part played out, that kurt volker called up giuliani and said is it okay to give your number to the ukrainians . But whether kurt volker did it voluntarily, thought it was a good idea or something he had to do because he knew the administration and the president wanted this to happen is a big outstanding question. As is Something Else that specifically referenced in that whistleblower complaint related to mr. Volker. He said he was so concerned about the damage to National Security that Rudy Giuliani was inflicting as a result of his work that volker actually had to call giuliani and try to contain the damage. That will be a critical question for lawmakers to ask if they get a chance to question ambassador volker. A sense where exactly the questioning will begin. Thanks to you. The big question right now is, how is all of this playing out with Many Americans . It turns out a growing number of americans are backing the idea of impeaching this president. The latest Morning Consult poll shows calling for impeachment has grown from 7 last weekend and even 43 oppose impeachment. With the Warren Campaign now in the town of rockhill, South Carolina, north of the state. Ali, the question that a lot of people are wondering, while a lot of people in the beltway have talked about impeachment, what are the folks youve been meeting all week saying . Reporter kendis, were here today in rockhill, South Carolina, Elizabeth Warren is about two hours from starting an convenient and has a pretty big crowd. The first person in line says he got here around 10 00 this morning. She has a crowd here. Weve been spending this week in New Hampshire talking with voters there, and that divide you just talked about were seeing in the polls, weve been watching it play out in realtime on the ground. Listen to some of the conversations weve been having on this issue of impeachment. I wanted to circle back. Very confusing. On the impeachment front because you mentioned joe biden, the deal with his son. Is there anything in the ukraine phone call President Trump had that makes you feel a little weird or is it no. Its business as usual . Business as usual between one country and another. Whats happening right now in congress has not helped the democrats. They are not helping themselves acting like School Children on a pl playground. Reporter do you think the better way, if you dont want him four more years do it at the ballot box . I think biden could beat him. Reporter is that why trump made that phone call . Of course he did. How he won the last election. How he does everything. Hes a spoiled brat. Reporter and so kendis, even talking to voters here in line today, its been interesting, because theyre unsurprisingly, at an Elizabeth Warren event, they think an impeachment inquires is the rye move and some say democrats are playing it correctly focusing just on the conversations President Trump had with the ukrainian president on the issue of joe biden. A man in line made a good point. A lot of democrats elected on impeachment generally the idea of holding President Trump accountable. So its going to be interesting as democrat candidates get out here on the campaign trail talking about 2020, about bread and butter issues, clear theyre have to make a case there there to hold President Trump accountable as well. Someone like senator war han to fito warren has to speak about bread and butter items in hur stump people and also accountability. As we gotten dough down this road of impeachment how it play us out in washington is something ill watch. How the 2020 candidates parlay that out here on the campaign trail where voters want to hear of course wab President Trump but many want to hear more than that. Easy for members who are not members of congress to talk about the bread and butter issues, the others with the day job there on capitol hill kind of have to straddle that fence. Ali vitali in South Carolina. Thank you. Straight ahead, the silent treatment . We havent heard much from the Senate Majority leader Mitch Mcconnell since the controversy broke. If democrats have their way, the impeachment inquiry will be before them in weeks. And senator klobuchar joins me next. I dont keep track of regrets. And i dont add up the years. But what i do count on. Is boost® delicious boost® high protein nutritional drink has 20 grams of protein, along with 26 essential vitamins and minerals. Boost® high protein. Be up for life. Liberty mutual customizes your car insurance, hmm. Exactly. So you only pay for what you need. Nice. But, uh. Whats up with your. Partner . Not again. Limu thats your reflection. Only pay for what you need. Liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty the battle lines in d. C. Are drawn on another front. This time over the president s Emergency Declaration to fund the border wall. The house voted late last night to overturn marking the second time by the way that congress has tried to block this emergency funding. The senate also pass add resolution even with 11 Senate Republicans voting with democrats to overturn the emergency funding for the wall, but actually it wont be enough to fight off a president ial veto. The recall pentagon officials announced earlier plans to divert nearly 4 billion from the military to fund the border wall. Back to the impeachment fight. Joining me from the festival in austin, texas, senator Amy Klobuchar a member of the Judiciary Committee and running for president of the United States in 2020. Thank you for being here, senator. Thank you. Its great to be on and from beautiful austin. A beautiful town indeed. A short time ago your campaign released a statement on the latest reports that were getting that the president told the russians he was not concerned or unconcerned with the 2016 election meddling. You said in part that our nations top Law Enforcement and National Security officials from both democrats and republicans have made it clear that russia attacked our democracy. Is this the most egregious thing in your mind that the president is alleged to have done . Oh, not at all. Its one of many things. I think its a pattern, and to me the call, of course, the smoki smoking gun we have, memo describes the call to the president where our president basically said, hey, go out there to a foreign country and get a bunch of dirt on one of my opponents to help me. What he said. To me that is just like watergate when they broke in. Maybe back then had file cabinets and then a coverup, just like here. The call which wasnt classified that memo placed on some super secret server. So to me that is where you start the investigation, and this is obviously part of it, because of the fact that this president has always been putting himself, his business, his future in front of our country. That is just wrong. That is why the Founding Fathers set up impeachment. James madison during the Constitutional Convention said the reason we need these articles ofvevement was that a president could basically betray our country to a foreign power, thinks of other countries and you need the power to impeach. Thats what this is about. I mentioned earlier, Mitch Mcconnell, Senate Majority leader fairly quiet for the most part. Listen to one thing he said back in march of this year. This was all about what the senate would do ifvevement happens. Take a live. If impeachment were the to happen the senate has no choice if the house was to act the Senate Immediately goes into a trial. The expectation has been that any impeachment articles from the ho us would immediately die in the senate, many thought so, because of him. Politico put out an article saying he could give impeachment the garland treatment, the heisman holding up. Where do you think Mitch Mcconnell will play with this now . Do you get a sense hell put it through, or what . I take him at his words there. He said youd have to have a trial and thats what well have to have. Even for the last impeachment in the senate when i was actually there was a federal judge out of louisiana we ended up impeaching because of some serious ethical crimes. We had a trial for that. It was with about 15 senators, but we had an over a weeklong trial. This idea the house would come over with impeachment articles and that there would be no trial is absurd. Thats what the we will argue and i think theres a strong case to make with the Amy Klobuchar<\/a> joins me in a few minutes. We have a lot to get to in the white house whistleblower firestorm this hour. The New York Times<\/a> now reports the white house classified Computer System<\/a> is used to hold transcripts of not only trumps conversations with ukraine also with Vladimir Putin<\/a> and the saudi royal family and the Washington Post<\/a> reports President Trump<\/a> told top russian officials he wasnt concerned about moscows interference in the u. S. Election. This as the first subpoenas in the tendayold whistleblower scandal are now issued to none other than than secretary mike pompeo. The number of house representatives supporting from form of impeachment inquiry continues to grow. The latest tally from nbc news now 226. Joining me now to unpack this is nbcs White House Correspondent<\/a> kelly odonnell, joining me from the north lawn. Kelly, start with the New York Times<\/a> reporting. That story about the classified Computer System<\/a> being used to hold transcripts of sensitive calls. What more are we learning about that this hour . Reporter the New York Times<\/a> was able to move the ball forward to identify calls from putin and calls between the president and putin and between the president and saudis crown prince were included. We had at nbc also been reporting about the use of this extra secure server, which would require a code word to get access to documents contained therein. So over the last couple days our reporting has been that the white house chose to use what would be classified conversations between the president and a foreign leader at a lower level typically, but still classified, and put them in the highest level of secure server protection, which would mean far fewer people would have access to them. What we have not been able to determine yet and the New York Times<\/a> has filled it in a bit was only the bidenrelated call between the president and ukraine and now the reporting suggests it goes beyond that to include other what would be highprofile calls to be sure whatever the president , whenever he speaks to Vladimir Putin<\/a> or the saudi crown prince. Remember at the time of the controversy of the death of the Washington Post<\/a> columnist khashoggi. What we dont know is are more random, if i could use that term, less highprofile leader calls also placed behind that kind of a protective call . Thats part of what we dont yet know. Our reporting is the white house does acknowledge that nsc lawyers, National Security<\/a> Council Lawyers<\/a> made this decision to put those documents behind that wall of security, and they call that appropriate. Others have said by predicting thpredicting restricting that access it cuts off other parts of the government from understanding these conversations. Was it done because there was concern about the content of the call or just trying to protect the president from leaks and embarrassment . Earlier in the Administration Calls<\/a> with leaders to australia and mexico who were not the subject of controversies, were leaked in some form and fashion, became parts of news stories that were unflattering to the president , and his displeasure at that caused them to change some of the procedures. So thats part of what were learning through the whistleblower complaint about this system. The real core of what the impeachment inquiry will be about is not so much the server and the process, but what was the president s conduct . What was he offering, if anything, demanding, if anything, with the ukrainian leader to try to get information about joe biden and his son hunter biden . And thats what lawmakers are certainly going to be trying to get at and thats whats key in what well see in a rare recess time with congress out of town, members of the Intelligence Committee<\/a> will still be doing some work during that break to try to get some additional information. Namely doing interviews with state Department Officials<\/a> and set a deadline of next friday for the secretary of state under subpoena to provide documents to try to give them a better understanding of the role of the state department in the work that the president s personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani<\/a>, was doing to try to pressure as they described it ukraine to look at the bidens. Kendis . Kelly, ask you about those subpoenas. Nobel subpoena the secretary of state but several state debt officials. Are those basically dead on arrival or do you get a sense the white house will cooperate . Reporter theyve subpoenaed secretary of state, custodian of all documents for the department of state. That went to him for documents the committee is trying to seek. Its not clear to us at all. I dont believe the people asking to do interviews with are under subpoena. Theyve scheduled several officials to do depositions. Behindthescenes interview. Not the big hearing were accustomed to seeing to include specific fact. The former ambassador to ukraine who lost her position in the midst of a lot of this controversy. Also people who would have Key Information<\/a> about how Rudy Giuliani<\/a> may have been interacting could also include state Department Official<\/a> who was said to have been on the phone call when the president was speaking with president zelensky of ukraine. This is congress trying to compel the state department to cooperate. Will it go anywhere . A subpoenas a powerful tool. Congress has this authority and now under an impeachment inquiry it is a greater authority. But so far the administration has been obstructing whatever it can trying to provide this. So it will be an important thing to see what happens with that deadline on friday, if the secretary of state will comply. Kendis . While democrats try to speed things up you get a sense the white house will be fighting this all the way. Kelly odonnell there at the white house. By the way, overnight this came as a big surprise to us. One of the key persons that kelly kind of referred to there seen as a leeson between the president and top ukrainian officials suddenly resigned his post as special envoy. Ambassador kurt you havolker. Put President Trump<\/a> in touch with ukrainian officials around the time of the call from the president. Josh what are we learning more why he may have stepped down and the possible impact this might have on testimony that hes expected to make come next week . It could be significant for the impeachment proceedings kendis, because lawmakers will want to hear all about what happened with Rudy Giuliani<\/a> and ukraine . Why the state department seemed to be facilitating interactions between Rudy Giuliani<\/a> and the Ukrainian Government<\/a> . And what mr. Volker knew about it and why he decided to take that critical step of introducing mr. Giuliani to the ukrainian president s office, and if kurt volker, this u. S. Representative was still in government, might have been limited what he could say. Might have gotten pressure from the administration not to go testify or not to be as forthcoming. Now that hes out of office no longer serving in government, associates of mr. Volker tell us they expect he will be much freer in what hes able to say if he does go to speak to congress, and as you mentioned we expect that request will be coming very soon. And, josh, as you know, volker is mentioned, i said some five times in that whistleblower report. What exactly what his involvement . So he had been serving as the special representative for ukraine negotiations and after that trump phone call with the ukrainian president weve all been reading and talking about, where trump basically said he wanted the ukrainians to talk to Rudy Giuliani<\/a>. The ukrainians reached out to kurt volker they knew from serious ways and put us in touch with Rudy Giuliani<\/a> and he did. Unanimous how this part played out, that kurt volker called up giuliani and said is it okay to give your number to the ukrainians . But whether kurt volker did it voluntarily, thought it was a good idea or something he had to do because he knew the administration and the president wanted this to happen is a big outstanding question. As is Something Else<\/a> that specifically referenced in that whistleblower complaint related to mr. Volker. He said he was so concerned about the damage to National Security<\/a> that Rudy Giuliani<\/a> was inflicting as a result of his work that volker actually had to call giuliani and try to contain the damage. That will be a critical question for lawmakers to ask if they get a chance to question ambassador volker. A sense where exactly the questioning will begin. Thanks to you. The big question right now is, how is all of this playing out with Many Americans<\/a> . It turns out a growing number of americans are backing the idea of impeaching this president. The latest Morning Consult<\/a> poll shows calling for impeachment has grown from 7 last weekend and even 43 oppose impeachment. With the Warren Campaign<\/a> now in the town of rockhill, South Carolina<\/a>, north of the state. Ali, the question that a lot of people are wondering, while a lot of people in the beltway have talked about impeachment, what are the folks youve been meeting all week saying . Reporter kendis, were here today in rockhill, South Carolina<\/a>, Elizabeth Warren<\/a> is about two hours from starting an convenient and has a pretty big crowd. The first person in line says he got here around 10 00 this morning. She has a crowd here. Weve been spending this week in New Hampshire<\/a> talking with voters there, and that divide you just talked about were seeing in the polls, weve been watching it play out in realtime on the ground. Listen to some of the conversations weve been having on this issue of impeachment. I wanted to circle back. Very confusing. On the impeachment front because you mentioned joe biden, the deal with his son. Is there anything in the ukraine phone call President Trump<\/a> had that makes you feel a little weird or is it no. Its business as usual . Business as usual between one country and another. Whats happening right now in congress has not helped the democrats. They are not helping themselves acting like School Children<\/a> on a pl playground. Reporter do you think the better way, if you dont want him four more years do it at the ballot box . I think biden could beat him. Reporter is that why trump made that phone call . Of course he did. How he won the last election. How he does everything. Hes a spoiled brat. Reporter and so kendis, even talking to voters here in line today, its been interesting, because theyre unsurprisingly, at an Elizabeth Warren<\/a> event, they think an impeachment inquires is the rye move and some say democrats are playing it correctly focusing just on the conversations President Trump<\/a> had with the ukrainian president on the issue of joe biden. A man in line made a good point. A lot of democrats elected on impeachment generally the idea of holding President Trump<\/a> accountable. So its going to be interesting as democrat candidates get out here on the campaign trail talking about 2020, about bread and butter issues, clear theyre have to make a case there there to hold President Trump<\/a> accountable as well. Someone like senator war han to fito warren has to speak about bread and butter items in hur stump people and also accountability. As we gotten dough down this road of impeachment how it play us out in washington is something ill watch. How the 2020 candidates parlay that out here on the campaign trail where voters want to hear of course wab President Trump<\/a> but many want to hear more than that. Easy for members who are not members of congress to talk about the bread and butter issues, the others with the day job there on capitol hill kind of have to straddle that fence. Ali vitali in South Carolina<\/a>. Thank you. Straight ahead, the silent treatment . We havent heard much from the Senate Majority<\/a> leader Mitch Mcconnell<\/a> since the controversy broke. If democrats have their way, the impeachment inquiry will be before them in weeks. And senator klobuchar joins me next. I dont keep track of regrets. And i dont add up the years. But what i do count on. Is boost\u00ae delicious boost\u00ae high protein nutritional drink has 20 grams of protein, along with 26 essential vitamins and minerals. Boost\u00ae high protein. Be up for life. Liberty mutual customizes your car insurance, hmm. Exactly. So you only pay for what you need. Nice. But, uh. Whats up with your. Partner . Not again. Limu thats your reflection. Only pay for what you need. Liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty the battle lines in d. C. Are drawn on another front. This time over the president s Emergency Declaration<\/a> to fund the border wall. The house voted late last night to overturn marking the second time by the way that congress has tried to block this emergency funding. The senate also pass add resolution even with 11 Senate Republicans<\/a> voting with democrats to overturn the emergency funding for the wall, but actually it wont be enough to fight off a president ial veto. The recall pentagon officials announced earlier plans to divert nearly 4 billion from the military to fund the border wall. Back to the impeachment fight. Joining me from the festival in austin, texas, senator Amy Klobuchar<\/a> a member of the Judiciary Committee<\/a> and running for president of the United States<\/a> in 2020. Thank you for being here, senator. Thank you. Its great to be on and from beautiful austin. A beautiful town indeed. A short time ago your campaign released a statement on the latest reports that were getting that the president told the russians he was not concerned or unconcerned with the 2016 election meddling. You said in part that our nations top Law Enforcement<\/a> and National Security<\/a> officials from both democrats and republicans have made it clear that russia attacked our democracy. Is this the most egregious thing in your mind that the president is alleged to have done . Oh, not at all. Its one of many things. I think its a pattern, and to me the call, of course, the smoki smoking gun we have, memo describes the call to the president where our president basically said, hey, go out there to a foreign country and get a bunch of dirt on one of my opponents to help me. What he said. To me that is just like watergate when they broke in. Maybe back then had file cabinets and then a coverup, just like here. The call which wasnt classified that memo placed on some super secret server. So to me that is where you start the investigation, and this is obviously part of it, because of the fact that this president has always been putting himself, his business, his future in front of our country. That is just wrong. That is why the Founding Fathers<\/a> set up impeachment. James madison during the Constitutional Convention<\/a> said the reason we need these articles ofvevement was that a president could basically betray our country to a foreign power, thinks of other countries and you need the power to impeach. Thats what this is about. I mentioned earlier, Mitch Mcconnell<\/a>, Senate Majority<\/a> leader fairly quiet for the most part. Listen to one thing he said back in march of this year. This was all about what the senate would do ifvevement happens. Take a live. If impeachment were the to happen the senate has no choice if the house was to act the Senate Immediately<\/a> goes into a trial. The expectation has been that any impeachment articles from the ho us would immediately die in the senate, many thought so, because of him. Politico put out an article saying he could give impeachment the garland treatment, the heisman holding up. Where do you think Mitch Mcconnell<\/a> will play with this now . Do you get a sense hell put it through, or what . I take him at his words there. He said youd have to have a trial and thats what well have to have. Even for the last impeachment in the senate when i was actually there was a federal judge out of louisiana we ended up impeaching because of some serious ethical crimes. We had a trial for that. It was with about 15 senators, but we had an over a weeklong trial. This idea the house would come over with impeachment articles and that there would be no trial is absurd. Thats what the we will argue and i think theres a strong case to make with the American People<\/a> and so much of this will depend, of course, on the work the house is doing. I think that document is a smoking gun, but my guess is that there are so many corroborating witnesses to that or other similar calls or other similar discussions with the president. The aid was cut off to this fledgling democracy. I visited ukraine with senator biden and he was literally messing around with that support. In my mind when i look at that memo, in order to be able to get them to do the dirty work for him politically, and i think youre going to see people that used to be in the white house that are going to come forward either of their own patriotism or through a subpoena. Thats going to be a tough case for the republicans to vote against. A lot of people waiting for some supporters of the president , republican supporters of the president , to cross over. You know, your former colleague jeff flake from arizona, if there was a secret vote some 30 senators would probably vote to support impeachment of the president. You talked to your colleagues behind the scenes all the time. If there was a secret vote based on what youre hearing, how many republicans do you think would vote for the president for impeachment . That, i dont i not know and could never predict that, but i do know that there is a lot of concern about whats going on, and i wish they would be more vocal about it. National security concerns. Do you hears with whirs from colleagues . Hear s wiwhispers from your republican colleagues . Yes. About concerns of the last few years, yes. Especially now. Uhhuh. And what you led the program with here right before me, which is the idea youre going to take away from our military bases and veterans to fund his wall just because it was something he kept saying at a bunch of campaign rallies. You start to see cracks, you start to see people like mitt romney voicing concerns about this. Some republican governors, a house member. Thats just the beginning. I think so much of this should be focused on whats right in front of us. Which is that phone call and that set of facts, and we go from there, and the coverup involved. I think after going through that longranging Mueller Report<\/a> which i think had some very damning things in it, we know that one of the focuses here is to keep this on the facts, and the difference with the Mueller Report<\/a>, which i think you know, is that that was about a past election. This is ongoing conduct about this forthcoming election, conduct that happened while this man was president of the United States<\/a>. And that makes for a different National Security<\/a> argument, argument about our military, argument about patriotism. Let me ask about you. Do you think impeachment should be narrowly now focused on the ukraine story . Look, im a former prosecutor and i believe you follow the facts. You follow the evidence. Thats going to be for the house to figure out. We have a different role in the senate. We are the jurors. I just believe they should follow their leads. As we like to say, you follow the money. Well, in this case, you follow where donald trump wants to go in terms of his own personal interests, his own money, his own political interests, and you figure out where this goes. That means getting the other calls that are on that super secret server and making sure i know those are frozen now, so they cant be somehow deleted on that server. And you make sure you read all of that and see all of it, and today i also announced a new policy that i have as president , on whistleblowers. Part of the problem here. You dont want that delay. Law says goes right to congress after a week from the director of National Intelligence<\/a>, and that any office of Legal Counsel<\/a> opinion should be made public. That was messy, and if another Whistleblower Comes Forward<\/a> it has to be handled by book. As president thats what i would dornlgts acting dni says it was a little bit of a gray area, which is why he went to the administration first. Talk to you quickly about a new York Magazine<\/a> article that came out today. It has you and cory booker on the cover talking about impeachment basically taking the wind out of the sails of many of the candidates. In the last few days, fundraising critical and yes, made the next debate stage, but do you get a sense its kind of taken the wind out of your message . Where you were all there and campaign and bread and butter issues and now what a lot of people are talking about is ba tlk in washington and an impeachment . I have two thoughts there. One is the wind is blowing my hair around. Plenty of wind to take me to the white house. Secondly, im a mom and you learn to do two things at once. I have done my job in terms of focusing, a member of the Judiciary Committee<\/a>. This is actually the anniversary of the kavanaugh questioning. Yes, yes. Which i played a major role in and i know that, yes, a schedule will change if were in the middle of an impeachment trial im going to be there, but you can do two things at once. The American People<\/a> have been doing two things at once forever since donald trump came in. They understand as you saw in the results of the 2018 election hes flaunting the law. Why they et voed for check and balance and want an optimistic economic agenda for this country. I did an interview with Steve Kornacki<\/a> earlier at this festival for an hour and we talked how you can do 0 both. You can have an optimistic agenda for the country and also make sure weve got a president that will obey the law. In order for you to continue, has to be all about that. Do you have a cash flow problem with your campaign . No. We are doing well. Ive been careful with our money. We have money in the bank and thats whats important. I see this for the long haul and have been very careful as has my campaign. We have stuck together from the very beginning all our managers, tremendous operations with really wellrespected state directors. Starting up our strong campaigns with many, many staff in both New Hampshire<\/a> and iowa. Were in it to win. Iowa, starting line, just came out and said we had the most endorsement of elected and former electeds of any other candidate. We are building this campaign from the ground up. That is how you win in the early states and how you win a general. The last thing ill say is what i said at the debate. I am not running for half of america. Im running to be the president for all of america. That means bringing in independents, moderate republicans and independents. Yes it is the end of the quarter, and anyone can help us at Amy Klobuchar<\/a> dotcom. Help us. We would love your help. 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From the day youre born we never stop taking care of you. Okay. Ten days. Just ten days since the public learned of the whistleblower complaint. The whole controversy came out of nowhere. The truth is, its been playing out for months. All in plain sight. Take a look. It starts back in august of 2018 when President Trump<\/a> signed a National Defense<\/a> authorization act including a 1 billion in aid for ukraine. Jump ahead to april 21st this year when the comedian Volodymyr Zelensky<\/a> win as landslide victory at ukrainian president. Then four days later joe biden announces candidacy and two days later a report on Rudy Giuliani<\/a> secret plans to krafl to ukraine, not meddling in an election, in an investigation, which we have a right to do. Jump ahead two months to President Trump<\/a>s phone call with zelensky in which he asks the ukrainian president for a favor, and two weeks after that, the whistleblower formally filed his complaint to congress and about a month later three house congressional committees began investigating giulianis involvement with ukraine. Two days later the administration finally released the most funds to ukraine they had been holding several months. 90 days after that, the explosive Washington Post<\/a> article. Dropping a bombshell on the whistleblower complaint, setting off a series of events leading us to where we are. And impeachment. One of the allegations against the president involves the highly unusual use of a classified Computer System<\/a> to store details of some of his most politically sensitive calls. According to the New York Times<\/a> the white house use add system accessible by only a select few of top officials to store transcripts of calls from president Vladimir Putin<\/a> and the saudi royal family. This comes after the whistleblower claimed the white house tried to lock down trumps ukraine call records. And a reporter from politico on top of this cover the white house and washington and msnbc legal contribute as well. Welcome. Daniel, start with you. Explain what exactly is going on here with this latest reporting here on the server and these conversations. Basically after President Trump<\/a>s calls with the mexican leader and the australian leader were leaked early on in the administration, they were very embarrassing to both sides, particularly President Trump<\/a>. So the white house and the National Security<\/a> council moved to make it much harder for officials to access these call transcripts or reconstructions of those calls and to, you know, they moved a lot of these call transcripts into a more secure system where its called the code word system, and thats only used for highly classified material including covert operations, you know, other things that, you know, should have a tight closehold system, but if you look at many of these calls they dont actually have classified information on them. Do we know it doesnt have classified informations . When it is classified at this point . You mentioned in reporting there at politico it is a stark departure from how the servers normally is used and how memos of the president s exchanges are typically handled. The question you mentioned it was after those leaks with the mexican president and the australian Prime Minister<\/a>, but how unusual is it now for this white house . I think its pretty unusual, because, you know, of course, President Trump<\/a> has hated leaks from the beginning, but the reason that they were putting these call transcripts into these much more lockeddown system bat not because of National Security<\/a> implications. It was because what he often says on these calls is embarrassing to him personally. And theyre politically sensitive. And so, you know, its one thing if you are talking with a military leader or a, you know, the uk Prime Minister<\/a> or discussing much more sensitive plans but its another if youre just trying to prevent leaks from happening, especially with countries like saudi arabia and russia where, you know, those relationships are much more controversial. Yes. Some of those conversations with the saudi royal family coming in the days and weeks just after the Jamal Khashoggi<\/a> murder. Talk with you about this, katie. Daniel talking about political sensitivity of this. Talk about the legal ramifications of it all. The white house on good legal ground with protecting these conversations . Well, its remarkable, kendis, about daniels story he did in politico is that the white house lawyers took the active move to be able to deal with this particular whistleblowers complaint when it kelt with that zelensky call with ukraine. Along think concept sometimes the coverup is as bad as the crime. Look at this particular factual scenario. If you have a collection of calls put in a highly classified lockeddown server system to avoid disclosure and not because they contain topsecret or issues of National Security<\/a>, then youre pretty much avoiding the transparency that should be the American People<\/a> should be entitled to receive. Now, im not advocating, kendis, in any way wa, shape or form that the American Public<\/a> should be privy to any and all conversations had with foreign leaders but we know its being done by President Trump<\/a> and his administration to hide potential criminal acts or to hide potentially even embarrassing acts, it really doesnt meet the requisite grounds to put that that particular type of server. The president has been given wide berth about these things. We know about the conversations with president putin, somebody like the royal family and even details about the murder of Jamal Khashoggi<\/a> put in that server system. We should have full disclosure given to the congressional committees necessary to get that information out. Pick up on that right there. Because, of course, now we have the impeachment inquiry. From a legal standpoint, do democrats have any grounds to declassify many of these interactions or these conversations . Will they ever be able to get their hands on this . They will be able to get that, number one, and number two, in the context of getting that information, it is a forgone conclusion you will see articles and i mean plural, kendis, articles of impeachment against donald trump. Ultimately the senate has to do the trial. There are rules of procedure that are followed by the senate to do this, but kendis, Mitch Mcconnell<\/a> in and of himself could not conduct a trial in the senate. There is no court that could force him to do that, and so we know hes previously stated he would conduct a trial, but that was in the about instrucstract. Now theres a real possibility but we dont actually know if Mitch Mcconnell<\/a> will do it. We dont know. Thanks to you both. Doing tremendous work at politico covering this white house. Thanks to you both. How is the president planning to handle all of this impeachment investigation . New reports say President Trump<\/a> trying a new tactic. Playing the victim cards. Really. The trump team sees impeachment at the perfect opportunity to make americans feel sorry for a president who hairly pitted anyone but himself. But will this blueprint actually pay dividends for the embattled commander in chief . A big question. Joining me to discuss associate editor for real clear politics, a. B. Stoddard. Thanks. Kendis. Will the president be successful playing the victim card and how does he go about this . Well, you know hes a very stable genius and goes on his gut instincts and this is a trump staple. Hes told us many times before he doesnt get credit for this. He would be Getting Better<\/a> press if that. Hes blaming the donothing savage democrats and at events with foreign leaders hes come to the microphones and told us fictional tales about them all coming up and woefully lamenting the bad press he gets in the u. S. And they think its incredible unfair. This is something that works with his supporters. They want to believe hes under siege from the deep state and i believe it will raise a lot of dollars and keep them excited and engaged. Its really the persuadable trump voters or the trumptriers the president needs to worry about. If they believe hes continuing to lie about joe biden, continuing to be, to go thermonuclear and be reckless in something as serious as the rule of law, potentially abuse of power, those people who liked their tax cuts and Like Supreme Court<\/a> justice confirmations and everything else, those are the ones he has to worry about breaking away. Its the republican senators who are increasingly concerned about what Rudy Giuliani<\/a> was up to. Who was involved besides him . Across the government . Mick mulvaney, acting chief of staff, secretary of state mike pompeo, the Vice President<\/a> mike pence and on an on. Where this goes is still unknown, because of that factor, and rudy is showing off he has the receipts and is ready to share them. So you see a hesitance among republicans to, as ben sasse warned them circle the wagons, because once the whistleblower talks to chairman burrs committee the senate Intelligence Committee<\/a>, once he talks to the house Intelligence Committee<\/a> this goes beyond his complaint to people that are inside the white house that were so alarmed by those conversations you were referencing in the previous segment and thats why the president s response right now, hes going to really be sticking throwing things against the wald al and see wha sticks because he doesnt know where this is going. The president good at the art of the deal is very good at the art of the spin. Even detractor would say that he knows how to work the media. But is impeachment one of those narratives in this controversy right now . One he just cant control . Yes. Because as i said we just dont know where its going to go. I believe that ultimately republicans were the ones on capitol hill who pushed him to be transparent with the transcript, to allow the dni, the acting dni to testify before congress and ultimately share the complaint and declassify it. I think its because they couldnt continue to defend blocking the transmission of the complaint. Mitch mcconnell approved it by unanimous consent in the senate the other day and i believe that they were forcing his hand and thats because they dont know where this is going to go, and they believe the complaint is credible. So hes going to spin this and that its usually through a partisan lens thats going to be, to blame the media and democrats. What hes always done. Again, the people who want to believe him will absolutely believe him and rally behind him and never, their support will never break. Its the other republicans who get him up in these polls to 45 sometimes and then it swings down to 38 . Those are the ones he has to worry about as i said, because he doesnt know how many people inside the white house or the administration are going to end up joining the whistleblower and talking about whether or not in these phone calls and in other activities, you know, dispatching Rudy Giuliani<\/a>, he abuses his power or betrayed, you know, the National Security<\/a> interests of the United States<\/a>. All right. Real clear politics. Leave it there with you. Thank you for your time. Still ahead, more on the whistleblower complaint and the impeachment inquiry into the president. A reminder today at 4 00 p. M. Eastern right here on msnbc, Global Citizen<\/a> festival live from central park. Live performances including queen, Pharrell Williams<\/a> and alecia keys. snoring whats going on . Its the 3pm slump. Should have had a p3. Oh yeah. Should have had a p3. Need energy . Get p3. With a mix of meat, cheese and nuts. music plays throughout our because of smoking. Ital. 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Part of a larger effort to erratic kate extreme poverty by the year 2030. Joining me live from central park, savannah, in the thick of it. People starting to gather. What are we expecting this year from the Global Citizen<\/a>s festival. Reporter hey there. Gates just opened. Behind me you see people first starting to come open. When they first opened people actually were sprinting in. 60,000 people usually come here and whats super cool all of the attendee hs to work to get 30s tickets. You cant buy them. Actually had to do something to get to the goal of ending extreme poverty by 2030. I met some Global Citizen<\/a>s here. This is mae. How did you get your tickets to this incredible day . I went on the Global Citizen<\/a> app and sent emails to some representatives and senators to help with things like poverty, children abuse and womens rights. It was like, im getting a free concert ticket and helping. Super cool. 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The New York Times<\/a> reporting the administration use add highly classified Computer System<\/a> to store transcripts of calls between President Trump<\/a> and both Vladimir Putin<\/a> and the saudi royal family. The president s special envoy to ukraine resigns. What does that mean as democrats call for him to testify. And that infamous white house meeting. The president and two top russian officials seen smiling, laughing in the oval office. Now what were learning about what the u. S. President may have told the russians that alarmed many people in that room. So where to begin . First up, the New York Times<\/a> is now reporting a white house classified Computer System<\/a> is used to hold transcripts of not only trumps conversations with ukraine but also Vladimir Putin<\/a> and the saudi royal family. The new revelation about the Oval Office Meeting<\/a> with the russians in may 2017, the Washington Post<\/a> here reporting that trump told russian officials that he wasnt concerned about moscows interference in the u. S. President ial election and the number of house representatives supporting impeachment continues to grow. 226 the latest numbers, now backing an inquiry. Kelly odonnell has it all covered from the white house and joins us there. Kelly, curious about that classified Computer System<\/a> that is being used to hold the transcripts of sensitive calls. How unusual is this . Reporter its hard to measure against what we know from within the trump years, but comparing it to past presidencies, they did not use that code word higherlevel security for classified calls between president s, lets say for example, president bush or president obama and foreign leaders. This is something that has been an adjustment made during the trump years. Officials here described because of leaks early in the administration where things from various calls including they cite australia and mexico where there were leaks they viewed to be embarrassing about the nature of the calls, the way the conversation was portrayed publicly made the Trump Administration<\/a> tightens restriction whose could have access to calls. Jump ahead to the current moment were in and its a more serious question of the content of the call between the president and the leader of ukraine talking about military aid. Talking about corruption in ukraine and talking about the bidens, joe bind, former Vice President<\/a> and his son hunter. That now we know, because white house officials have confirmed, was a call with the notes and associated documents placed behind this higher level of securitys you have to have a code word in order to access this server to get those documents. Other kinds of access would require less sophisticated levels of screening. So it means theyre putting it behind a higher wall of security. We have been told by officials here that it included calls beyond ukraine and the reporting that you cited gave us specific examples of calls with president putin. That really makes sense when you think of the last couple of years, and with the saudi royal family. Also stands out because, of course, of the controversy of the u. S. Partnership with saudi arabia at a time when the royal family, the crown prince himself, was implicated in the death of khashoggi, the Washington Post<\/a> columnist. So how unusual . Certainly a departure from what other president s have done. Less clear is how much that taken place in the trump years. Narrowing the scope who can see the information contained in calls, and does it suggest that the people who put those calls behind that firewall, lawyers for the National Security<\/a> council did they do that because of concern about leaks that the president expressed or did they do that because of what the conversation was about . Those are questions that will be pursued through this impeachment inquiry under way with democrats on capitol hill. Kelly odonnell there for the white house. Thank you. Speaker nancy pelosi is stressing the urgency of the impeachment investigation. This is not a pause for any joy that we have to go down this path. Its a difficult decision to make. But we have that obligation, because the actions that were taken could undermine the constitution and the oath we take to protect and defend including the oath that the president takes. As such the man tasked with the brunt of the inquiry adam schiff instructed his committee to work through its twoweek recess. The chairman of the house intelligence oversict and Foreign Affairs<\/a> committees demanding secretary of state mike pvompeo produce documents y next friday involving ukraine. And whdo you know committee are requesting and scheduling depositions from five senior state Department Officials<\/a> in the coming two weeks. You see them there. You get a sense this is a sign this is an investigation moving very, very quickly . Precisely. Quickly and efficiently, at least what were told by sources on capitol hill, kendis. The narrative thats developed is whether or not there is any difference or any line in the sand drawn between the state department as well as former new york city mayor Rudy Giuliani<\/a> who is now, of course, the president s personal attorney. Now, the question becomes, will republicans start to break away from the administration . So far we havent seen any significant pushback especially in the house of representatives. But when you go to the senate, as i left capitol hill yesterday, i can tell you its a much more reserved atmosphere. Republicans in the senate really carefully keeping their comments to themselves as of now. You heard from the likes of senator mitt romney as well as ben sasse, two republicans quite frankly critical of this administration for quite some time. That said, Senate Majority<\/a> leader Mitch Mcconnell<\/a> has also given the appearance as of now he wants to let this process play out and we all know this. That Speaker Pelosi<\/a> would like to see the impeachment, articles of impeachment maybe brought by thanksgiving, around that timetable and with a vote before the end of the year. Senate Majority Leader Mitch Mcconnell<\/a> told npr should the house act the senate would act quickly thereafter. Kevin, talk to you what you mentioned there. A little bit of chinks in the republican armor on the senates part. Senator from arizona, jeff flake, talking about all of this and his take on why republicans havent supported impeachment. Here. All of the attention is on your former colleagues in the senate, they would be the jury if there was an impeachment proceedingso when you call your friends in d. C. What are they saying about these new allegations . Well, somebody mentioned yesterday that if there were a private note that there would be 30 republican votes. Thats not true. There would be at least 35. Or maybe maybe more if it were a private vote, but thats not possible. So they have to come out and many of them are up for reelection in tough seats and i know that feeling. At least 35 is what hes saying. Kevin, ask be awe this. Asking Amy Klobuchar<\/a> about this in the last hour, she did not take the bait. From the people youre talking with on capitol hill and what youre hearing, if there was a secret vote would there be a lot of support positive impeach this president . With all due respect to the formatter senator from arizona he is a former senator. The political reality he doesnt have a vote. When i talk to republican senators and senior aides to those republicans the reality is that there is a Morning Consult<\/a> poll found just 10 of republicans right now are behind impeachment nap said, look at independents, they are increasingly split. A near divide in terms of those who are for it, those against an impeachment inquires and still about 15 hanging in the middle and could be swayed either way. That matters particularly because so much of the narrative, i cant stand using that word as a reporter, is whether or not democrats would be able to regain the house of representatives with an impeachment and we in often we cite what happened with the clinton impeachment and republicans overplaying their hand and whatnot. This is uncharted territory. This is a very new, political moment, and so there are questions for suburban democrats and suburban republicans, and i just dont think enough details have been released that i think over the next week or so as new details in the investigation continues, we will have much more clear, a more clear illustration, perhaps, of where we are. And its easy for many of them to do this wait and see tactic as we see. This might play out as soon as by thanksgiving. Yes. From bloomberg news, thank you. Thank you. All right. How is impeachment playing beyond the d. C. Beltway or the corridor for that mat jer the latest Morning Consult<\/a> poll kevin referred to shows support for impeachment has grown to 43 with an equal percentage of voters opposed. This poll came out earlier in the week. These, by the way, are tough times for president ial candidates trying to get attention for their campaigns. The spotlight now squarely on trump and impeachment and capitol hill democrats and such. Our nbcs ali vitali is with the Warren Campaign<\/a> in rock hill, South Carolina<\/a> where a Campaign Event<\/a> is about to kick off and ali, talking about, she has a really, really difficult task in trying to talk about issues that are big for the people who are there in rock hill, South Carolina<\/a> and beyond, and also talk about the impeachment as a senator. Reporter yeah. Thats exactly right, kendis. Because even in the course of the past few minutes as im here with folks waiting to go into the event behind me, ive heard a lot of enthusiasm for the idea of impeachment and people dialed in on the issue. Of course, these are democratic voters were talking to here and i spent the past few days in New Hampshire<\/a> talking with voters republican and democrat and they really did illustrate for me in realtime the split we see in the polling you guys have been talking about. Listen to what they told me over the course of this past week in New Hampshire<\/a>. So when you see that democrats are, though, moving forward with impeachment theyre crazy are the are you think theyre crazy. Theyre crazy. Whats happening in congress is not helping the democrats. They are not helping themselves acting like School Children<\/a> on a playground. Reporter do you think democrats have waited too long to do that or is now the right time . I think theyve been very prudent in decisionmaking up to this point, taken their time to make their decision first and final, that nancy pelosi made sure that she slowed them down when they were jumping the first time around and waited for him to pull another one, which he did obviously. With this phone call to ukraine. Reporter and kendis, Kevin Cerilli<\/a> made a really good point when you talked how polling shows this breakdown along party lines. In the course of my conversations i found that people who tended to like trump before this latest information flow about what he said to the president of ukraine have told me they dont think theres a there, there on impeachment. Democratic voters do think now is the right time to go forward on impeachment inquiry. Its going to be interesting to see those people who maybe arent fans of President Donald Trump<\/a> or independent voters, thousand they contin he they break down the polls and out here on the campaign trail. You made a good point as well, kendis. For the candidates out here on the campaign trail theres a little juggling act ak to start because they have to continue talking about the issues that are already in play in this democratic primary Like Health Care<\/a> and things like it but also contend with whats going on in washington. Because thats where the Media Attention<\/a> is and weve seen how fast this story developed over the course of uft . This week. Also because voters wants to continue to hear about impeachment and what democrats can offer going up against President Donald Trump<\/a>. Youve been on the campaign trail over the last ten days, and quite a bit, youre now in South Carolina<\/a>. While all of this has been developing, new York Magazine<\/a> reports this has taken the air out of the campaign. Do you still get a sense that there is a little bit of excitement or has it noticed a little trend there in the last two weeks . Reporter i did read that piece and i think its interesting, because this impeachment inquiry and the news surrounding washington could have a Chilling Effect<\/a> on the democratic field. A lot of candidates rely on cable news and coverage to continue to get their message out there. As we focus on the hill, rightly so ought the news comes out, takes away from attention out on the campaign trail. That doesnt mean candidates will stop campaigning but it means if you have a day job in washington it may make it easier tore you to find ways into the news cycle at this impeachmented inquiry continues. For candidates fundraising for lives for example, like senator cory booker, just two days away from that deadline he set for himself raising 1. 7 million by end of the month. Interested to see if that comes to fruition. Theyve had 1. 3 million raised, but impeachment could have a Chilling Effect<\/a> on the democratic 2020 field. Interesting to see how that plays out here on the trail. Again, in the conversations ive had with voters, theyre walking and chewing gum at the same time, so to speak. They are interestened and very much paying attention whats going on in washington. That said they also want to hear from the candidates on what their platform is and what theyre offering to democratic voters. Yes. Thats the thing. Many candidates walking and chewing gum, but this, money is the name of the game. Got to afford the gum to be able to walk as well. Ali vitali in rock hill, South Carolina<\/a>. Thank you. Coming up, the urgent concern right now for tens of thousands across the country. When will they get their next paycheck . Auto workers locked in a National Strike<\/a> against General Motors<\/a> are about to get a major pay cut. Where that showdown is heading next. Speaker nancy pelosi accusing the attorney general bill barr of going rogue. The Details Behind<\/a> barrs role in the whistleblower controversy. So chantix can help you quit slow turkey. Along with support, chantix is proven to help you quit. With chantix you can keep smoking at first and ease into quitting so when the day arrives, youll be more ready to kiss cigarettes goodbye. When you try to quit smoking, with or without chantix, you may have nicotine withdrawal symptoms. 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Negotiations between the union and General Motors<\/a> still under way as strikers prepare to enter their third week on picket lines. General motors, by the way did a reversal. Just a couple days ago said they will pay Health Care Costs<\/a> for strikers rather than leaving it up to the union. Analysts say gm is losing at least 50 million a day with the strikes. This is the first National Strike<\/a> for the uaw on General Motors<\/a> in more than a decade. Turning back to the impeachment talk and battle, and how to protect the whistleblower. Joined now by New York Times<\/a> washington correspondent and msnbc contributor Charlie Savage<\/a> and with me as well msnbc legal analyst and former federal prosecutor glen kirchner. Welcome to you both. And Rudy Giuliani<\/a> seems to press on he was just obeying orders. A sense hes acting more than just trumps personal attorney . Wheres the line here for him . The line for Rudy Giuliani<\/a> . Yes. Giuliani is a very interesting character in this whole saga. Even before the ukraine theme erupted going on tv to defend trump during the Mueller Investigation<\/a>s and the sometimes blurting out things that seemed to be the opposite of what was in trumps interests. I think he bears tremendously scrutiny and about to get it. And he has been getting a lot of scrutiny and a lot of republicans quietly giving him scrutiny. Meantime, as you know, the New York Times<\/a> recently reported that white house officials and the Justice Department<\/a> already knew and has known that the whistleblower works for the cia. Charlie, you pointed that out as well on twitter. What concerns are there with the whistleblowers ability to protect their identity . You know i think theres a legitimate concern, kendis, because we know that the president s recklessness knows no bounds, because when we hear him talking most recently about things like, well, these folks are almost spies. You know what we used to do with spies. Weve also heard him talk about the invading hoards coming up across our southern border and what do we have after that . We have a mass shooting of hispanics in el paso. We had him talk about the press being the enemy of the people, and we have people who are sending pipe bombs to among other people or organizations news outlets. So its not like there arent people listening to what the president says, and he speaks in such reckless terms i think there be legitimate concerns. Now, ordinarily, who protects people in the criminal Justice System<\/a> who might be in a whistleblowers situation . The United States<\/a> Marshal Service<\/a>. I have had more people go into witness protection as a former career prosecutor than i can count and the u. S. Marshals do an amazing job protecting witnesses who are at risk. Who does the Marshal Service<\/a> work for . Bill barrs department of justice. So i think the whistleblower has every reason to be concerned, and i think that the government needs to mobilize to make sure that the whistle protector and others who come forward are supported and protected. Charlie, what are we hearing about this whistleblower so far . I mentioned the New York Times<\/a> had gotten out there about a few details about that person. Do we get a sense that that person wants to come forward and testify in front of congress . Well, this person is clearly trying to obey the rules of the national, intelligence whistleblower protection act so he is legally protected from reprisal. Not reprisal like just referred to in a vigilante attack but in terms of losing his security clearance, demoted or fired from his job. So he has hired an attorney and is trying to follow this system to a t. One piece of that system is that he is allowed to go to congress if his his complaint is rejected by the system. Supposed to be the Inspector General<\/a> here not the dni. But he has to obey the director of National Intelligences<\/a> instructions about how to go to congress, the law said, in order to protect classified information. And one of the little loopholes here that the Trump Administration<\/a> has apparently been exploiting has been to just not issue those instructions. He keeps asking for it. His lawyers keep asking for it and the Intelligence Committee<\/a> keeps asking for it. Tell us how to do it so he can one to us directly, they wont supply the directions. Go talk to congress now he would lose the Legal Protections<\/a> he apparently has so far successfully been trying to wrap himself in. Interesting indeed. Meantime, as you heard the president here in new york, had a fundraiser. A lot of cameras rolling. You heard what the president said. What he said about whistleblowers and those people who gave that person the information. When you heard what he said, and an american president saying that what were your thoughts . It made me a little nauseous as both a former prosecutor and as an american citizen, but i think there is a sentence in michael atkinsons report on the whistleblower. Michael atkinson being Inspector General<\/a> for the Intelligence Committee<\/a>. Second sentence of his report should give the whistleblower and perhaps all of us a little bit of a comfort level, because here what it says, kendis. Bears repeating. He said in the course of my official duties i have received information from multiple u. S. Government officials that the president of the United States<\/a> is using his power of his office to solicit interference from a foreign country in our 2020 u. S. Elections. Right there, this is not hearsay. This is the Inspector General<\/a> saying, i have spoken with multiple u. S. Officials who have said the president is misusing his office. Sounds like the whistleblower very soon will be in good company when Congress Begins<\/a> to call these people to testify. And atkinson already testified behind closed doshs to congress. Thank both for being here. Still ahead, new developments. Moments ago, a murder trial Getting National<\/a> attention. The former Dallas Police<\/a> officer amber guyger on trial for shooting and killing an unarmed black man in his own apartment. Tv announcer its just as powerful as the lexus rx. As many safety features as the rx, the new. The lexus rx has met its match. If theyre talking about you. You must be doing something right. Experience the style, craftsmanship, and technology that have made the rx the leading luxury suv of all time. Lease the 2019 rx 350 for 399 a month for 36 months. Experience amazing at your lexus dealer. Enterprise car sales and youll take any tradein . Rom thats right great here you go. Well, it does need to be a vehicle. But i need this out of my house. vo with fair, Transparent Value<\/a> for every tradein. Enterprise makes it easy. The way you triumph over adversity. And live your lives. 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One of them put my hands behind my back one put her hands over my mouth so i couldnt scream for help or anything and one of them just cut my hair. Reporter her grandparents outragened and emotional. The boys described her hair as being ugly and nappy. I was very heartbroken. Reporter they want the boys to be punished. Today the school issued a statement saying theyre deeply disturbed by the allegations and all of the students involved in this matter have stepped away from school. Police are now investigating. Discrimination based on natural hairstyles has raised concerns nationwide. In new jersey, a High School Referee<\/a> who forced a wrestler to cut his dreadlocks last december suspended now two years. Back in virginia, amari plans to be back in class on monday. Thanks to rehema ellis there. Now to the murder trial involving former Dallas Police<\/a> officer and what was a highly unusual saturday court session. Amber guyger shot an unarmed neighbor in his apartment. She mistook him for an intruder. The judge dismissed the sequestered jury until monday morning. We have the story. Reporter good afternoon from dallas. Day six of the amber guyger trial ended almost as soon as it began. This was the day we anticipated potential closure, but instead the judge sequestered the jury to hear testimony from a retired Police Officer<\/a> who studied officerinvolved shootings. On the stand today we brought up unintentional blindness. In the heat of an incident, focus on one thing summing up guygers state of mind walking into apartment that wasnt hers opening fire and kill iing both jean. This tragedy unfolded saying she walked into that apartment that wasnt hers claiming she saw a man approach her telling him to put his hands up and thats when she pulled the trigger twice. Prosecution focusing on two key things. A bright red doormat outside jeans apartment questioning guyger how she didnt recognize that walking inside and also the care she gave to the victim or lack thereof after shots were fired. Guyger claiming she stopped cpr when she called 911 to report what happened. As it stands now the jury will be returning monday. Where we expect the defense to rest in this case. Guyger if convicted of murder could face up to life in prison, but theres still lesser charges potentially on the table. That being manslaughter and criminally negligent homicide. Much more to one monday. The case rheauming at 9 30 in the the morning dallas time. What were learning about the timeline fon an impeachment investigation into the particular ed. Democrats say theyre moving quickly. House judiciary member steve cohen tells us what we can expect. A reminder today at 4 00 p. M. 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A congressional spp for secretary of state mike pompeo and a sudden resignation from the president s special envoy to ukraine kurt volker. All the while the call for impeachment grows in the house with 226 members of congress now endorsing such an inquiry. Joining me now is one of those. Congressman steve cohen, a member of the house Judiciary Committee<\/a>. Congressman, thank you for being here from memphis. Prior to it. Good to be with you. As you know, speaker of the house says the Intel Committee<\/a> chair adam schiff will be the one to lead this effort. Youre on the committee. Is that a good call . Why them . They have the ability to hear things that are classified. They all have a history and experience in those issues and because this is a Foreign Affairs<\/a> issue, a foreign diplomacy issue, and a National Security<\/a> issue, its important that some of the erring o hearie read in classified settings and adam schiff and his committee are the best for that. And you you get to vote whether there are grounds for impeachment. Walk me through this process right now. Well, intel will do work during the twoweek break were on. They will subpoena folks. They will subpoena records. They will try to have hearings. I think there will be instructed by the administration and uninstructed the Judicial Committee<\/a> coming up with every rids o ridiculous, ludicrous, in complying with subpoenas and will have to go for contempt and go to court and take time. Theyll find the same problem wes have. Might not have a problem with volker in that hes resigned. He might want to testify, but theyll have problems with some of the other people but will do what they can to get testimony and as they develop their story and their case and liable to find other things. Some have said this particular situation is like the the missing gun. The shot that went off they needed. I think its going to be more like an arsenal. I think theyre going to find things about the saudis, find things about the russians, and difficult to find that because the Trump Administration<\/a> will try to obfuscate and try to, not give congress what they need. Obstruction of congress. But theres nor information trump talked to the saudis and russians that he shouldnt have, involving our National Security<\/a> and reveal negotiations with putin and or the royal family in saudi arabia and thats important for the American Public<\/a> to know. Ask you about ambassador volker. To many his resignation came as a surprise last night. People say he resigned to be able to talk to the committees and to congress. Have you guys gotten any indication that hes willing to speak with you . Ive only heard through third parties that suggested he would be. He was uncomfortable with the whole situation. That he is a straight shooter. Will tell us all he can, and i think that he will testify. Is he the link right there jt link to everything . Do you get a sense that, that once he speaks, that it will connect all of the dots . Well i think that it will help and for sure whether its all the dots i dont know. He was contacted by trump and or pompeo, asked to go to kiev and kind of grease the wheels for giulianis visit. How much he did he can tell us about, there may be other things giuliani did. Hes not somebody that you control once you get him in some place. Hes going to do whatever and not abide by the rules. You might need some other people to testify. I suspect somebody from Intel Committee<\/a>. I think jim himes was going overseas. I expect hell be in kiev. I dont know if for a fact but a lot of areas people need to be questioned, depositions taken and a possibility of hearings. I know there will be a hearing with the i. G. Who did the report from the whistleblower, and hopefully well have the whistleblower. But i think its going to be precarious for the whistleblower, because hes an American Hero<\/a>, he or she, and theyre being threatened by the president who says something about treason, and the suggests he makes could send somebody not mentally stable off and trump knows people with Mental Health<\/a> problems can do killings yet here he is saying things that could invoke the danger to an American Hero<\/a> and a cia agent. In the last hour Amy Klobuchar<\/a>, senator from minnesota, spoke about the differences with me between the Mueller Investigation<\/a> and this. Heres a listen. After going through that longranging Mueller Report<\/a> which i think had some very damning things in it, we know that one of the focuses here is to keep this on the facts, and the difference with the Mueller Report<\/a>, which i think you know, is that that was about a past election. This is ongoing conduct about this forthcoming election, conduct that happened while this man was president of the United States<\/a>, and that makes for a different National Security<\/a> argument. Okay, sir, you heard the senator there. Go you agree with her on this narrow investigation into this incident involving the ukrainians . Well, indeed i do, because it is an ongoing situation, and even, you know, the president was interviewed by George Stephanopoulos<\/a> and he told him then he would take information from a foreign power and ste stephanopoulos was startled, he should call the fbi but he made it clear he would take it and want to listen to it. The man does not learn. Hes incapable of obeying the law, makes his own rules and will do anything to get elected. He learned that from roy cohen. A movie out about roy cohen i suggest everybody see it suggests who trained this man. Its very questionable. The smoking gun, its out there, but makes he think about nixon. Those viewers remember watergate, this situation and this area where they kind of closed up these discussions with certain foreign leaders and this one had nothing to do with classified information, which is where that particular tape or broadcast went to, its kind of like Rose Mary Woods<\/a> missing telephone calls cut out, and thats kind of where this is and i think it may lead to more things and just needs to be somebody to be able to get into that. Im sure well subpoena that and try to get incamera in Intelligence Committee<\/a> and classified settings access to those conversations and i think theyll entitled to them. Leave it there. Congressman steve cohen, calling for the president s impeachment since november of 2017. Filed articles of impeachment. Finding Different Things<\/a> for several years that you feel this president should be impeached for. Our thanks to the congressman. Thank for being here. Youre welcome, kendis. Democrats, as you saw, charging ahead with their impeachment inquiry as nancy pelosi levels an accusation against bill barr. Let me ask you about the attorney general. Hes gone rogue. Where theyre going is a coverup of the coverup. Thats really very sad for them and to have a justice definite go so rogue. Well, they have been for a while. Okay. Although President Trump<\/a> did invoke barrs name in the phone call with the ukrainian president , the Justice Department<\/a> maintains barr has never communicated with ukrainian officials. However, dojs dismissal of the whistleblower complaint is raising new questions about barrs independence, at least from the white house. Joining me now is New York Times<\/a> Justice Department<\/a> reporter katie brenner. Thank you for being here. Okay. So, katie, in your article on attorney general barr, you report that the departments involvement in the case has actually been overwhelmingly positive for trump. Not only did the department advise the acting director of National Intelligence<\/a> to keep the whistleblower complaint from congress, it also ruled out the possibility of criminal conduct on the part of the president. So how is this whistleblower complaint actually raising questions or concerns about barrs independence . Sure. I think that for the Justice Department<\/a> what they would argue, viewed closely to the letter of the law and within the letter of the law have done nothing wrong. Go back to the whistleblower complaint. They found that there was no reason to give it to the intelligence community. Committee of congress. Not strictly an intelligence matter. The whistleblower alleged possible Campaign Finance<\/a> violations. So they said, adhering to the letter of the law, no reason to go to congress, but tech likely, odni and Intelligence Committee<\/a> colt refer this to the Justice Department<\/a> to look into as a criminal matter. The Justice Department<\/a> receives that referral and after looking at it a few weeks decides no criminal conduct. Again, they used career Justice Department<\/a> attorneys as well as officials to come up with that answer. People are saying, however, it does look very, very convenient for trump. These are questions that are sort of swirling around the Justice Department<\/a> even as bill barrs name has been invoked in ways that show the president himself believes that bill barr is his personal attorney who is there to protect him at the Justice Department<\/a>. Yeah. And the name invoked quite a bit, bill barr. Many wonder whats his next move and whether he will recuse himself. A lot of people say the answer is a pretty quick, no. Right. You know, barr doesnt want to recuse himself. Again, adhering to the letter of the law, why would he . Is the way justice officials are looking at this. Didnt know about the phone call. Does not know donald trump has been using his name in this way, offering up up as a fixer ho temperature out in a foreign political situation, trumps political rival. For barr and for justice Department Officials<\/a> theyre saying because he didnt know any of this what is there to recuse . The argument for recusal, it takes away any question any interference from bill barr into wrap could be ongoing investigations if the Justice Department<\/a> were to receive more criminal referrals about the president s behavior. This is important, because we know bill boar is a real believer in president ial power. A real believer in executive power and he believes in many ways if youre a cabinet member you are serving the president as much as you are serving the constitution. So we will see. Hes going to have to answer very, very difficult questions and make difficult choices i think in the next few weeks as impeachment looms. Youve had several officials resigned from this administration over the last couple of months, several. All of them, were there during the ukraine issue, including, of course, the former National Security<\/a> adviser john bolton. Dni coates, his deputy. All there when all of this was playing out. How kcome we havent heard from them or when kl we . Interesting to see how people leave the administration and go very, very quiet. They generallys dont criticize the president but in this instance well have a lot of pressure brought by congress because of thevevement inquiry as you point out to bring all of these people back. Its gawk to oing to be tricky. We saw during the Mueller Investigation<\/a> the president is likely to put a lot of pressure on these people to not speak and, of course, for bill barr, he could put a lot of pressure on the attorney general to what he would would say would be to protect him. We saw that happen with jeff sessions, with rod rosenstein. All through the Mueller Report<\/a> the president asking to do things sometimes outside the norms and sometimes outside of law in order to protect him because he felt that was the role they played. I would be surprised as an impeachment inquiry heats up and as more pressure comes to bear on these former cabinet officials and on the president himself if he doesnt look to his attorney general to, ask him to do similar things. All right. From the New York Times<\/a>, justice reporter. Thank you. Coming up receipt here, Nbcs Richard Engel<\/a> brings an exclusive report as he speaks with the former russian former ukrainian prosecutor at the heart of the impeachment investigation into trump. Ir, you get more than Free Shipping<\/a>. You get everything you need for your home at a great price, the way it works best for you, ill take that. Wait honey, no. When you want it. You get a delivery experience you can always count on. 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