healthcare and immigration. >> who here would abolish their private health insurance in favor of a government run plan? just a show of hands to start off with. >> i am just simply concerned about kicking half of america off of their health insurance in four years. >> the reason that they're separating these little children from their families is is that they're using section 1325 of that act which criminalizes coming across the border to incarcerate the parents and then separate them. some of us on this stage have called to end that section, to terminate it, some, like congressman o'rourke, have not. >> i helped to introduce legislation that would ensure that we don't criminalize those who are seeking asylum and refuge in this country. if you're talking about -- >> i'm talking about -- >> -- with respect. >> i'm still talking about everybody else. tonight the democratic split is likely to be even more pronounced as biden will face an onslaught of scrutiny from vie valls. he's going to be joined by three other leading contenders all hoping for a break through moment and six more candidates looking to ee merge from the bottom tier with a powerful performance. of course, the most anticipated matchup tonight pits biden against bernie sanders. the near polar opposites represent a significant divide among democrats and how u.s. voters receive these candidates could reveal of course the party's future. so our big question today is whose message will resonate the most with democratic voters? joining me here in miami atlantic staff writer edward devaiar, elena schneider and from washington a biden surrogate and supporter and delaware democratic senator chris coons. senator, we will be with you in just a moment, but i want to start here with the panel as we kind of break down and take a look at what happened last night, what's going to happen tonight. isaac, i know you've been covering joe biden out on the trail. is there anything that happened on the stage last night that they are taking into account as they prep for this, we were reporting biden seemed chilled out walking on the stage this afternoon. where are their heads right now? >> their anticipation in the debate prep was that candidates would be looking to get him in a fight with them for their benefit. get him to engage with them and that looks better for the person who is not biden. but what i thought was notable last night is that his name did not get mentioned one time. >> really remarkable. >> one time. i asked cory booker about it and i said what about that and he said this is bigger than any one candidate, this is about what america is looking for and all of us are on the equal level about it. that seems to be how the candidates last night took it. i wonder if that's the way that the candidates who are on stage with biden are going to take it. if so it puts biden into a different place than some of what he was preparing for. >> elena, if you are those other candidates clearly last night there was a decision not to mention the president, frankly, that much and as isaac points out not to talk about biden, but that temptation is going to be harder to resist when he's standing in the middle of the stage. >> i would argue nearly impossible to resist. the same goes for bernie sanders. look, those are the two candidates who don't particularly need a breakout moment in this debate. they are both very familiar, well known to the american public. everyone else who is on that stage needs to figure out a way to stand out and part may be by positioning themselves in contrast with a bernie sanders vision which is much more progressive or take biden who is obviously going to be somebody who is more moderate. particularly those moderate candidates will want to offer themselves as an alternative to joe biden, particularly for people who feel like maybe joe biden is a little older, a little past his time, they are looking for fresh faces, those are the candidates who want to position themselves that way. >> all right. let's bring in senator chris coons to pick up this conversation where we left off. senator, on that question of, quote/unquote, moderate versus progressive, you know, those labels are a little bit imperfect in terms of talking about the vice president and bernie sanders, but at the same time there are significant policy divisions that surfaced and were right at the forefront of the debate last night and i have to think are going to be at the forefront again between these two front running candidates, namely this issue of medicare for all and whether you eliminate private insurance. bernie sanders has really set a bar on that, obviously joe biden has been a big defender of the way things have been laid out under the aca. do you think it's a dangerous place for the democratic party to be to be for eliminating private health insurance? >> i was really struck last night at how positive and constructive most of that debate was. there was a vigorous back and forth about differences in policy views on this exact question the moment that stuck with me the most was john delaney saying i'm the son of a union electrician, i grew up with great healthcare because of the union and if we succeeded in expanding healthcare my dad would say good for you, but if we took it away from folks who had already earned great healthcare through something like their union he would say why are you doing that? i do think delaney pointed it out the ways in which committing to eliminating private insurance for those in our country who have great insurance, for example, who have earned it through their union, is not an entirely good policy idea. >> let's talk, too, about this, the personalities that are going to be on the stage. i mean, bernie sanders has been known as a pretty sharp debater in the past, he has -- you know, when he went toe to toe with hillary clinton there were definitely some moments where things got a bit intense if not personal. how does joe biden, the man that you know and have worked with and supported for so long, how does he diffuse that kind of a moment? what are they expecting from bernie sanders? >> well, i think joe simply needs to remind the american people that he's not out there to prove that he can be the bigger bully. we have already got a bully in the white house. we don't need a debate stage where democrats are tearing each other down. every minute that a democrat tonight or last night attacks another democrat and tries to belittle them or tear down their policy ideas is a good money for donald trump and every minute that you've got democrats laying out clear and positive and hopeful messages about how if we are in charge again we will improve the lives of average americans is a good minute for those of you who want donald trump to be a one-term president. so my hope is that joe biden and bernie sanders and some of the other candidates tonight will lay out their clear and positive visions, will reinforce what folks already know about them. in the case of joe biden he has a big heart, he's someone who knows and cares about the needs of the middle class and he would restore our leadership on the world stage on his very first day. he has more foreign policy experience than any other candidate in this race and he also knows the things that drive the challenges, the kitchen table issues of middle america and i think in the end that's why he is the best qualified candidate to be the president, to move us forward past donald trump. >> senator, i have to ask you directly because these two will be at the center of the stage. i mean, do you think a accept at that gentleman narian white man is the right kind of person to lead the democratic party into the future? >> i think our primarily electorate is principally looking at who can move us past this moment. when we have this painful experience so many of us had of seeing that shocking picture of the two migrants dead, drowned in the rio grande river feet from their hope for asylum here in the united states. all of us have to think we're better than this. week after week, month after month as our president tweets things that are disturbing or alarming or offensive as decisions are made by this administration that violate some of our most basic human values, we all have to think we're better than this. you know, i think this is in the hands of our primary electorate. my hope is that they know joe biden, he doesn't need to prove himself with some viral moment tonight, with some breakout moment. they know his record, they know his values and know the ways in which he would lead us as president into a better place as a country. >> delaware senator chris coons, always great to have you on the show. nice to see. >> you thai, kasie. >> so let's talk a little bit about what the senator said just there. isaac, how could this night go wrong for joe biden? >> it could go wrong if he doesn't give clear answers on things that seem like there should be clear answers. i'm struck, for example, we at the atlantic over the last week had asked all the candidates where they stand on tpp, the trans-pacific partnership trade deal that was obama's big deal and that biden helped sell. every candidate basically provided a response and biden's campaign told us that they were not ready to provide an answer. that kind of a thing that puts him in a space of not being clear what he stands for or if he snaps at someone like he snapped at the reporter last week who asked him about whether he thought cory booker was right to ask for an apology -- >> quite a moment. >> and he said corey should apologize to me. those sorts of things could be trouble for him. >> elena, is that a front runner type of syndrome? i mean, you know, sometimes i can't help by harken back to 2016 when we had such a clear front runner in hillary clinton and they ran their campaign that way, there's some echos of that here. >> there is definitely a front runner syndrome but also a long record syndrome. there is a lot of legislation and votes that joe biden has taken over the years and positions that he took in the obama administration that a lot of these candidates can attack on. one, for example, is the hyde amendment, something that he has said he would support repealing but previously there was a little bit of not a lot of clarity as to where he stood on that. that would be a space where kirsten gillibrand, that might be an opening for her to really make a mark against joe biden but also lift her own profile. even though they are going to maybe not always get as many shots in, that they are going to lightly contrast what they have done versus his long record. >> the rest of the field that's going on this stage, family i'm pretty interested in kamala harris. how do you think this night plays out for her and what are the per rils, the pitfalls? she had risen strongly in the beginning of her campaign and seems to have fallen back shoo she seems to be stuck in the middle of the pack place for a long time now. a lot of people think that her performance in the debate there been great because they are seen her in the hearings and think that that will translate well on to the stage. it is a different kind of routine to ask questions at a hearing when you are prepared for it -- >> different to be the questioner. >> yeah, absolutely, interrogating brett kavanaugh is different from engaging in a debate with nine other democrats. >> a lot more like being a prosecutor, which she is. >> right. so that -- it seems like there is a lot of expectation around her, the promise is there, you can see her maybe having some quick moments, some facial expression. she is a person who often -- you look at her face, she is curl up her face like this and -- >> she's all of us a lot of times. making certain faces at certain moments. like all of us might have been cory booker last night. >> you could see on booker's face last night that there was some reaction, whether it was that he thought that he wanted to be the with unto speak spanish before beto o'rourke did or whatever it was that was going on there, something was going on in cory booker's face, i could see something like that hang with harris tonight. >> thank you both very much for being here today. still to come live from miami, can 2016's democratic runner up bring back the burn and by supporting his policies is elizabeth warren making inroads with potential bernie sanders voters? sanders' campaign management -- campaign manager joins me live here in the spin room. plus big news back in washington, the supreme court blocks the trump administration from asking about citizenship on the census, at least for now. but first, breaking news, we just saw former trump campaign chairman paul manafort in a new york city courthouse, this is new video. manafort is expected to be arraigned on state charges there in manhattan in just minutes. all that and more when our live coverage from miami continues up after a quick break. e coverage from miami continues up after a quick break. to a single defining moment... ...when a plan stops being a plan and gets set into motion. today's merrill can help you get there with the people, tools, and personalized advice to help turn your ambitions into action. what would you like the power to do? but prevagen helps your brain with an ingredient originally discovered... in jellyfish. in clinical trials, prevagen has been shown to improve short-term memory. prevagen. healthier brain. better life. yand you want to getr an excellent price you'd think with all these options it would be easy. but with terms like msrp, invoice, list price, things get confusing pretty fast. you just want to get a real price and that's where true car comes in. only with true car can you see what other people paid for the car you want and you can connect with certified dealers who offer prices based on this same information. none of those other sites do that. from end to end, true car is your only one stop solution. we will return to our debate coverage in just a moment, but we are also following breaking news from new york where we just saw former trump campaign chairman paul manafort arrive at a courthouse in manhattan. he will be arraigned on 16 state charges including mortgage fraud, conspiracy, and falsifying business records. these charges were announced in march just minutes after manafort was sentenced to seven years in his federal case stemming from the mueller investigation. manafort is expected to plead not guilty to these charges. joining me now from new york msnbc legal analyst danny cevallos, also with me former u.s. attorney and msnbc contributor joyce vance. joyce, your reaction to seeing manafort walked into the courtroom that way. >> i'm not surprised to see it at all. you know, this is an indictment that the da in manhattan should not have had to bring. in the normal course of business this would have been a two and done in this case federal indictment. that vance had to bring these charges in the effort to fend off a pardon by the president so now he's having his perp walk through the courthouse to make the point that the state is here and they are here for a reason with thighs charges. >> danny cevallos, just remind us how we got here. obviously manafort has already been tried and sentenced once, but of course this looks considerably different. what are we seeing unfold here? >> many months ago just as paul manafort was completing what he thought was the end of at least his federal prosecution woes on that same way the new york county district attorney indicted him on this residential mortgage fraud set of crimes which arise out of very similar transactions to those he was prosecuted for. so just as paul manafort thought everything was over, it began all over again, but this time in new york state court. you see him being walked in in scrubs there because he's currently in custody, he's serving his federal sentence and of course there is no jury so there is no prejudice that he's not wearing a suit or otherwise dressed appropriately for a jury. but this is something that paul manafort on the day of his sentencing probably expected would not be happening and yet here we are as joyce perfectly puts it, a prosecution that was surely designed to stave off any potential pardon opportunity. >> joyce, his lawyers are likely to argue that because we already saw this play out once before legally it shouldn't be happening again, right? >> that's right. they will make a double jeopardy argument, double jeopardy is this notion that you can't be tried for the same crime twice. but here we have two different sovereigns, the state of new york and the federal government and the supreme court has reaffirmed just in the last couple of weeks this legal principle that says that you can be tried for similar crimes by two different sovereigns. in this case, though, it's two different sets of charges, the federal law as danny points out, those federal charges are under federal law. here we've got state law violations related to residential mortgage fraud and it seemed very unlikely that any court would find that this violates double jeopardy. >> and, danny, let's just underscore this point, which is that one of the differences between federal and state charges is that the president in theory can't pardon paul manafort if he is convicted by new york state. we don't have a lot of indications he is prepared to do that on the federal charges, either, but it seems no etable to me. >> exactly right. the president has a very broad pardon power. arguably so broad he could theoretically pardon himself, although reasonable minds differ, but it has very few limitations, one of those is state crimes. the president cannot pardon state crimes, but something to think about from a policy perspective is this, if paul manafort is convicted on these new york state charges and if he receives a sentence of somewhere on the order of a few years, something less than his remaining federal sentence, and if the court is okay with him serving is concurrently, it may be that the net effect of this new york prosecution is ultimately symbolic and pardon prevention if it adds zero additional years on to manafort's actual time served. >> all right. danny cevallos, thank you very much. joyce vance, you are going to stick around with us. hold tight. coming up next, a big question as we head into night two of the debate, can bernie sanders reignite the burn among progressives? 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i thought it was incredibly interesting that she said quite literally i'm with bernie on medicare for all last night. >> that's great and you know our position on this. >> i do. >> which is that everybody on the stage should say the same thing that elizabeth warren said last night. it would be wonderful if every candidate said i'm with bernie, medicare for all is the way we have to go. it's a testament, you know this, that this position used to be held by very few, in fact, bernie sanders was often a lone crew sausader on this. >> entirely alone, why he. >> now the majority of the candidates on stage are taking this position. his arguments are working, it's a positive thing. >> so do you not think that there is a big wide opening for republicans to walk right through in the event that bernie is the nominee, bernie sanders, senator sanders is the nominee, by saying we want to eliminate private health insurance. >> this is the debate we want to have. if you're paying high premiums and copays and deductibles and you're pissed off about it, your premiums and copays and dedu deductibles having gone down you're looking for fundamental reform. who do i trust, who do i have credibility about that when they get in office will do what they say? that's the argument with he want to have. i would argue to you that putting bernie sanders up against donald trump is the best foil to have this debate, give people the belief when you have the oval office things will fundamentally change for you. >> bernie sanders has been incredibly forward about his embrace of the label democratic socialist, republicans of course trying to turn that around. are you concerned at all that a big chunk of the voters that you need to win over, older probably white, potentially men in the midwest, hear the word socialist and their memories are of the cold war, they are not healthcare in sweden as some of the younger voters may remember. >> i understand the question, i know where you're coming from, i get a little annoyed about it because everybody knows bernie sanders, this he know what he stands nor, medicare for all. yet when you look at the polls in wisconsin, in michigan, in pennsylvania how he doing against donald trump? he is essentially up 8 to 10 points in every one of them. >> you don't think it matters. >> it almost like they discount the fact that joe biden is up 8 to 10 points, guess what, bernie sanders is up 8 to 10 points as well. for some reason i think we get a -- in elite circles this push off, a stiff arm, you're going to get attacked in different ways, you can't beat donald trump. i would argue to your best position to defeat donald trump because people know what he stands for, believe in him and the change that he's going to bring and it doesn't rest solely on electability. his argument rests on things will fundamentally change. i'm going to tackle this system that you know is broken. >> he's going to stand on stage next to joe biden tonight. >> yes. >> which is a different dynamic than the fight among progressives potentially with elizabeth warren. what's the strategy going in? i remember watching him next to hillary clinton, he gets testy sometimes. >> he's passionate. he is a passionate person. >> he is indeed. i will absolutely give you that. but, i mean, what is the -- what is the thinking behind the scenes about how he needs to come across to voters tonight? >> listen, there is a theories of change that bernie sanders believes in which is that when you build movements and the people get involved in the process things can change. how did amazon workers get a living wage increase to $15 an hour? how did disney workers get an increase to $15 an hour? he has been fighting building political pressure for this. how is he funding his campaign, bernie sanders? grassroots donations because he isn't going to be bought and paid for by corporate executives. when you look at other candidates how are they being funded? how are their campaigns being funded? we saw joe biden going g. into a room of wealthy donors and say nothing about fundamentally change for you. well, if bernie sanders is the president of the united states, everything is going to fundamentally change for them and it has to change because middle class of america, the working class of america, nothing changes for them unless something changes for the 1%. >> should we expect bernie sanders to attack joe biden on that stage tonight? >> there's going to be contrasts about them, this he have different records, have had a long history of voting on things like iraq war, nafta, trade issues, bankruptcy bill. there are a lot of distinctions about them. one has been right for a long period of their history one was hand wrong. no, he's not going to come in looking to a k at that. >> the word contrast means attack in it's context. >> i believe that you have to have a policy debate and explain how you're different from everybody else on stage. >> i think it's going to be an intense pot si gate this evening, faiz shakir thank you for being here this afternoon. before last night's debate my colleague andrea mitchell asked elizabeth warren directly about those comparisons to bernie sanders and warren was very clear about her own record fighting against inequality. watch. >> are you an imitation of bernie sanders? is there room for both of you? >> this work is the work i've been doing pretty much all my life. i've been studying why hard working families go broke ever since i started. in teaching i never thought i was going to be in politics, but i will tell you this, i came to understand what was wrong in this economy and come to understand that it starts with corruption in our politics. >> joining me now nbc news political reporter is that keir brewster and ginger gibson. thank you both for being here. shaq, you have been on the road with bernie sanders quite a bit. it was an interesting conversation with faiz, the campaign manager. it seems like they're basically going to come out swinging. he didn't seem to back away from that. >> that's right, and we've heard senator sanders swing in the weeks before this debate. >> yeah. >> not back away from drawing those contrasts with vice president biden. you heard those three points that faiz mentioned, the vote to authorize the war in okay ra, the nafta vote and then that deregulation angle. you know, it's interesting because senator sanders wants to make this a two-man or two-person race between himself and joe biden. that's the way the campaign thinks they have the strongest contrast. the problem now is other candidates are surging. he's going to have to not only focus on taking on joe biden but he needs to shore up his base and makes sure that he reminds folks, hey, these were my ideas first, when you hear medicare for all and free college, those were things he ran on in 2015 and as he says on the campaign trail now they are not that radical. >> it's a tricky line to watch to say that great idea that that person said they are going to implement, that was my idea first. it can be a difficult sell. how does he do that on stage tonight without warren standing there? >> he has struggled to do it already. a couple times when he has gotten into forums or other things where there was a lot of candidates and they were trying to point out the fact that now everybody agrees with him he seemed to get grouchy and demand thanks from everyone who was on stage that they aren't giving him enough credit. voters know that he was for that, but they're looking forward. so being the guy who was for it four years ago isn't going to be enough. looking kind of condescending and grouchy towards other candidates that might be bringing a fresher version of bern kree's ideas is a contrast that isn't just about policy, but is about style and delivery and voters are looking at those contrasts, too. >> shaq, would you say as you kind of watched and covered them out on the trail, is the contrast and the focus -- they want it to be on biden, but is that actually where it is or are they realizing they have more trouble on their left. >> i think they realize they have more trouble on the left. if you talk to voters at his events, one person they mention near universally is elizabeth warren. there is really j en win love among bernie sanders supporters for elizabeth warren. she's seen as a fresher candidate. even if people aren't willing to say i'm iffing to support her right now, they will say i'm still with sanders, this he still look at warren and say i like what she's saying, i like that she has a plan for that. you remind them what sanders did talk about this they say, oh, yeah, you have to remind them of that fact. that's what senator sanders trying to do on the road as well. they realize they have to shore up their base a little bit. that's what we will watch tonight the fact that warren is not on the stage if her name comes up at all. >> we talked about so much as what it meant for elizabeth warren. it is interesting what it means for bernie sanders if she's not going to be there tonight. thank you guys very much. the last day for the supreme court brings the biggest rulings of the term. one, a major blow to the white house's efforts to ask about citizenship on the current can you say. but the other was a one for conservatives. we will go live to the high court. that and more when we return live from the spin room in miami up after a quick break. in miami up after aui qck break if you live with diabetes, why fingerstick when you can scan? 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was a blow for the trump administration, justices blocked the white house from adding a question about citizenship to the 2020 census. the president just tweeted from japan saying in part, quote, i have asked the lawyers if they can delay the census no matter how long until the united states supreme court is given additional information from which it can make a final and decisive decision on this very critical matter. joining me now nbc news justice correspondent pete williams and former u.s. attorney and msnbc contributor joyce vance. pete williams, i will start with you. the census issue, john roberts sides with the more liberal justices on that question. i thought that was pretty interesting. where do you think we should be focused as we talk through these new decisions? >> well, the door isn't totally closed to the administration adding a census citizenship question to the census form, but i think it's a tall order as you can see from the president's tweet, he's asked the lawyers if there can be more time. what the sort said today is we don't -- by that breakdown there, we don't buy the government's reason for why it wanted to ask everyone filling out the census form whether they were a u.s. citizen. the commerce department secretary wilbur ross had said that he only decided to do it after the justice department said it needed the data to better administer the voting rights act. the supreme court today called that explanation contrived and said when the government does something like this it has to have an explanation and this one doesn't wash. so for that reason the court has for now blocked the government interest adding this question to the census form. it goes back to the district court in new york which had taken this case from 18 states including new york that were challenging this decision and that in turn sent it back to the commerce department to come up with another explanation. the question here is is there enough time for the commerce department to come up with a new explanation, going to court where the district court will probably rule against the government again, come up here to the supreme court and get a ruling. the main factor here is that the government has been saying solemnly and urgently for the past several months that the end of june is the absolute deadline for preparing the census forms. that's why the president is saying i've asked the lawyers if they can delay the census. under the constitution it has to be done in 2020. >> i was going to say, is it even constitutional to do that, what the president is tweeting? >> well, as long as it's done every ten years, you're satisfying the constitution. it has to be done in 2020. what i guess he's saying is can the process of preparing to do it next year be delayed to allow this extra time? because it's going to take another court decision, another explanation from the census. this is not an easy thing for the government to overcome. so today i would say that the odds of the government getting this question on the census form are less than 50/50, but can they overcome it, i just don't know what the answer is, it's a bit murky. >> all right. joyce vance, let me talk to you about this other critical case, this gerrymandering case. it's two states and clearly at different times throughout our history there have been different parties in different states who have said that they want to try to redraw these maps to their own potential advantage. in recent years it has been primarily republicans, but in this case the court basically said we can't tell you what to do or not to do, which is basically given it seems free rein to these legislatures to draw these districts however they want. >> that's exactly what it does. the court today looked at the issue that was brought to it by democrats protesting the north carolina lines and the about i republicans protesting what democrats had done in maryland and the court said, you know, we are only here to decide legal questions. we can't decide political questions and this is a political question. so we don't tell these legislatures that they can't draw the lines that divide their districts however they want to. and the reason that this is so critical is that it doesn't apply just to these two states, it applies to every state in the country, and after the 2020 census new lines will be drawn. so instead of people picking their elected officials, elected officials will essentially get to pick the people who they want to have voting for them and this is how we end up when you look at electoral maps with these voting districts that are drawn in curious shapes with zigs and zags and hooks at the end, it's an effort by the party that's in control to rope its voters into districts in a way that maximizes their electoral power and puts typically minorities and people who have less of a voice in the political process in a situation where they're able to get a majority of votes in any particular district so that their power is diluted. >> all right. pete williams, joyce vance, thank you both very much for your insights on this big day for the supreme court. coming up next, 2020 contenders flock to a detention facility for migrant children here in florida, but what if anything is being done to make sure the children are being cared for. that and more as our coverage continues live from miami. e as contins uelive from miami. at panera, our salads with peak-season berries... creamy avocado... and a dressing fit for a goddess. come taste what a salad should be. and order online for delivery right to you. panera. food as it should be. book two, separate qualifying stays at choicehotels.com... ...and earn a $50 gift card. because when your business is rewarding yourself... ...our business is you. book direct at choicehotels.com openturning 50 opens theuard. door to a lot of new things... like now your doctor may be talking to you about screening for colon cancer. luckily there's me, cologuard. 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members of their caucus. we're going to keep an eye out for that vote. here in florida a detention facility for my grant teens has become a campaign stop for 2020 contenders. three candidate have stopped by a facility in homestead already today. the appearances coming amid reports of horrifying conditions at some facilities in texas where migrant children in border patrol custody say they're being kept, quote, in a metal cage. the kids testified that there isn't enough food, that they're sleeping on mats on the floor and that officials have taken babies diapers, formula and even their pants. joining me no you from homestead, florida, nbc news correspondent cal perry. cal, you have been covering this all week and have seen these candidates start to come by one at a time. who have you seen today? what's the latest there? >> reporter: so mayor bill de blasio was the first one here in the morning, former senator beto o'rourke was the most recent and in the middle we saw senator bernie sanders. look, they are all obviously very concerned about this issue, this is the issue that is now sort of mainstream in the american consciousness. important to remind our viewers the center behind me is a privately run facility, it is a for-profit facility with somewhere between 2,000 and 3,000 children in it and that is why activists and attorneys and members of congress are saying that it's not really in the interest of the company that runs it to get these kids out to their sponsors, to family members around the country. that is something i asked former congressman o'rourke about directly, how is he going to help get some of these kids back to their going to help get some of these kids back to their family members. >> we are here. with err with these children here. with err with their families. i am learning from guadelupe and mariana and tomas the struggle for family members to see their children, the paperwork that they have to go through. that's my top priority is to stop these practices to reunify every family that has been separated and to make sure that we are truly living our values and living our promise to this country. >> keep in mind, congressman o'rourke was able to whip up a lot of support for that facility. his goal was get more attention to try to do the same thing here, kasie. >> certainly the -- i think attention that you and jacob and other reporters have covered this story so intensely as well is those others working to bring attention to the issue, so important in the lives of these children. cal perry, thank you very much. former housing and urban development secretary julian castro was one of the breakout stars of last night's debate. and while politics says his polling average is less than 1%, he is certainly hoping that his performance last night to cause that number to go up ahead of the next round. i caught up with castro earlier today to discuss what this meant for the future of his campaign. what are you watching for thursday night's debate stage, what are you worried about, who are you focused on, and are you concerned that it might eclipse the moment you had? >> no, because people saw what i can offer, and i think they were very surprised. i believe that i'm going to pick up momentum and i am going to work hard to keep getting stronger. i know of course that a lot of the news is going to be about tonight. i think tonight what you're going to have is several people on that stage who are going to have disagreements about policy, especially because you have former vice president biden and senator sanders that, of course, disagree on several issues. for the other candidates who are on the stage, it's going to be about them making sure they get their time in. i was glad to go on the first night. i'm glad with the mix of people that we had last night because i knew that i wouldn't get overshadowed necessarily by having to be on the same stage with people who right now are four out of the top five folks in the polls. >> do you think joe biden has had his day. is the democratic party ready or need a fresher face? >> well, i have the voters are going to have to decide that. when i get out in new hampshire and iowa and other places, i do believe that there is a lot of support for this idea that we need a new generation of leadership. i think it's fair to look at somebody's experience because that counts. i think it's fair to consider somebody's age, but i don't think somebody's num eric age or their experience is the most important factor. the most important thing is somebody's judgment. that's what i tried to demonstrate yesterday, and that's what the person who becomes the nominee, i believe that's going to be me, but that's what you're going to have to demonstrate, and that's where donald trump has failed. >> i asked bernie sanders this question yesterday. if it becomes clear that somebody else that's going to be nominated at the democratic convention, would you leave the race ahead of the convention? >> uh, that's likely, but i don't want to kind of, um -- i don't want to think about that scenario because i'm focused on winning the nomination, and i believe that by february 3rd, 2020, when iowa caucuses that i can become a frontrunner that we are going to get stronger and stronger and then have success in new hampshire, nevada, my home state of texas, california, south carolina. so i am focused on trying to win this wras. >> you can catch my full interview this weekend on kasie d.c. where you can see there. his twin brother also stopped by to join us briefly. again, coming up this sunday only on msnbc. we are going to have one more thing live from the spin room in miami up after a quick break. ak ♪ i want it that way... i can't believe it. that karl brought his karaoke machine? ♪ ain't nothing but a heartache... ♪ no, i can't believe how easy it was to save hundreds of dollars on my car insurance with geico. ♪ i never wanna hear you say... ♪ no, kevin... no, kevin! 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and crohn's. entyvio®. relief and remission within reach. una cosa mas, one more thing before we go. did you notice a trend at last night's debate? >> this economy has got to work for everyone. and right now we know that it isn't. and it's going to take all of us coming together to make sure that it does. [ speaking spanish ] >> if it caught you off guard, you were definitely not alone last night. senator cory booker's facial expression as beto broke out in espanol, went viral before the debate ended. and, i mean, you really cannot help but wonder what was going through booker's head as he is making this face. so, naturally, chris matthews got to the bottom of it. >> people were talking about your expression when beto went hispanic tonight. >> he threw down the gauntlet that i had to respond. there were a number of bilingual people on that stage. the. >> i guess this is going to progress now. >> well, you know, i was listening to him, and i was, like, okay, fine, it's good that he's showing that. we all should -- >> should we have a night on spanish literacy? >> i'm happy. my spanish is -- i am nowhere near fluent, but i am conversational, i can do interviews. we need to do more of that. >> well, of course the moment and the reaction was pretty funny. it is very important not to dilute the importance of what we saw last night, not only did it show the diversity on stage. it was also a significant outreach to hispanic americans, unlike any we have seen in recent debate history. and rightfully so with an estimated 41 million native spanish speakers in america. there are another 11.5 million who are bilingual, and many of them, the children of spanish-speaking immigrants. in short, potentially massive voting block that was all but forgotten here in miami last night. that wraps things up for us this hour. i am kasie hunt in miami. please do follow me on twitter and catch me every sunday night on kasie dc. but ali velshi is going to pick up the show right now. >> thank you, friend. and you have yourself a great rest of the afternoon. the spin room is important. that's where we are right now. it's where after the debate, candidates or their surrogates come through that little door over there. they walk around here, and they come out here, and you can actually see a demonstration of the sort of thing that's going on right here, candidates or their surrogates talk

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