An attack on the investigation portraying it as a failed coup could be the center piece of Trumps Campaign event and rallies. This strategy is nothing new. When all else fails, the accused will attack the accusers. To question the prosecutors motive. To attamaybe you can cast doubt the case. Do the word witch hunt sounds familiar . These were dubbed non denial and d non denial. Joining me our farebhara. Hes the author of the new book, doing justice, pree preet bharara, it is great to have you. Great to be here. I am happy that well be a able to bring this conversation to my show. The president is going after Robert Mueller and hes been doing this now for years and you write about it in the book and the strak tegy attacking accuse. When you hear it today, what is your major concern . People dont like to be investigated and people will ata atta attack. You get used to it. The tircdifference is this pers the president of the United States has the lajergest microphone on earth. Wholl believe anything he says. He himself says if i shot someone on fifth avenue, i would not lose a single vote. He oversees the opera invictus of the entire Justice System. Search heroically. It has more effect on peoples public face than the rule of law then when ordinary person does it. Ity it is a big deal how they plan to use their Mueller Report to yore advantage when it does come out. It does not sewhow it sho that the president may use it at alle alle rallies. The president is fond of referring to documents that say nothing about him. I am looking for a tweet where it says my book exonerates him. It does not talk about him directly. You do tualk about him and yu talk about the Justice System in the country and how it is supposed to work. I think it is the love better for the rule of law and what can be good and done with it. As long as you put people up charging and holding those laws. You talk about what happens to you in 2017. To get a few debrief on you about what happened, the president you said reached out to multiple times. In the seed up to your final. Riepgt . What do you think hes too seen as i can speculate and and after becoming the president , he called me again and i refused to take the call and in 22 hours later, i was anded to summit my resignation. It is a wrong thing for p president to jump over layers and not Pay Attention to what the appearance would look like. Given the jurisdiction of that office it had received then and now. The president decides to he is state and say things to folks about people he does not like or investigated or people he likes not being investigated, whether it is michael flynn. You never know when it will help you in the future if you come under in query. Why given the jurisdictiojur the trumps organization and tround discrimination and varps props. As history unfolded, the Southern District is now leap deeply at Michael Cohen. It appears involvement that donald trump may have had with Michael Cohen. Matthew whitaker, the attorney general, the president asked him to call Jeffery Berman to get him to unrecolonies himself from did you think the president was worried of what you guys may be able to find and trying to do the same thing by cultivating you and what he did with whitaker to convince berlin which potentially unrecused which he cant do. The president wants people who are loyal to him and not loyal to the country or not necessarily loyal to the First Amendment or even if you are fox news, just loyalty to him. He has this view to be my replacement at the Southern District. If only that person is investi. , if you are still ats the sbny, what would you look into . Non prosecutor kpeer and well be looking at things thats appropriate to look at and from important, looking at various aspects of trump horg of those things seem to be a lot on their plate and when presumably being so. No matter who the u. S. Attorney is. Did he come up at the s, t, and y . And is his taxes are deplaiting on assets. We scrutinized with a lot of people. Michael cohen, it has been cooperating with the sndy. We got a verse of the warrant for the race of his office and his home we cant see a lot in this poem. Tllt of it is reacted. What do you see here. The section thats redacted remat relates to the finance campaign committ committee. When you ask them to be reacted, you need a good reason. One good reason is an ongoing investigation. Even Michael Cohen pleads to this crime entirety, there are other folks who are in the cross hairs including the president. Thats why we are not Charlie Whited to see that yet. You talked about Michael Cohen, you talk about the clock witness, how tricky they can be. How they were not always entrusted by juries because they were not seen as honest people to begin with. You rank this. Sometimes the decision to flip to do with your own partner in crime. It comes in response to debraille, President Trump personal lawyer, Michael Cohen, he locally sworn locality to the president. What is your message to those who look at Michael Cohen and monoford and the Mueller Investigation. Gosh, you dont like to prtrust them. These are cooperations and moral issues and legal issues and the personal is when people decide because they care more about their family and instances and fascinating things and prosecutors had to struggle with this and courts have to struggle with this. We say in court when we talk about summation, you just coop neurosciencing testimony. So showing that she did not have credibility in the past. Look at what corroborates him and the incentives and motivations right now. Now, we should find by the way, Michael Cohen does not have a corporation graham. Hes looking for this relatively obscure possibility so he still provides evidence and information. If and when hes going to go the, people should look at it very carefully. He does not have a great record. That does not mean he cant be believed. You said on the record, you dont need do you think there are more indictments will be dropped . I dont know. Zplo i guess. I am low to pak predictions. I saw consensus view abrupted a week ago. Can you comment . Has it happens yet . And weeks have gone by. Conflicts bit of inflammation. You have letters that was filed on the part of pick gates by the special council offi ed rosenstein, hes preparing more. You have a lot to things that teams to be going and the whole tape for roger stone. Just seems a lot of work to be done. I could be wrong by this time eydie gorme. I am just not as sane of the possibility. Are wi ae asking the right question . What open questions do you have that has not been answered for you. You cant ask those questions because theyre not going to answer. We want to know if he are going to see President Trump more and i had negative reaction with the minimal minister erdogan. There is a lot going on out there is that i dont understand. If hes going to be sort of ready of the decision he makes and later well have a debate about what becomes public and what does not. We have not talked about what most about what is mueller going to be doing. Tg very grk spark. I am talking about what bob loisviller is going to spruce. You said it is sbult to delid decline prosecution. James comey was put in this position and you wrote about it in the book. You said mueller you are damn if you do and damn if you dont in the situation. There are charges to press. Those are going to be a center of the population wholl scream, what about Hillary Clinton, i dont trust you. If if you does not, there is going to be yeah, it is a big problem. Separation of laws and facts and verses political reference. There are a lot of people chant lock her up and lock him upac him up. I would hike to see the evidence put out. Trust me the investigator. I have a worry thats becoming so politicize at the beginning o f this segment causing people to in advance to not believe it. The funny thing is it will turn out to doctors. It is possible that the Mueller Report is not that danging to the president. It is possible, the president will say hes the greatest man ever. He pulled it out. He said that about Michael Cohen, hes a liar and liar, but ws respect of what he interpreted as part of the president is able to get the people think that way. I think it is dangerous. We need get back to basic principles of truths. You are no longer a member of the dodge or governments prosecutors. What about those pointing to you and say how do i attack you . He called the president nuts and you responded on twitter pretty well put. With period after each tense. Parallel his pung waictuatip. We didnt care if you are rich or connecting or powerful. If you committed crime, we prosecute you. I dont think that my comments of other president s are partisans in terms of democrats or republicans. A lot o and olt of things that die hard continuing and republicans have said about the president. What the president have done is the rule of law and undermining the institutions is something that you have some kind of conscious or platform in respectful ways, you can disagree and you can poind t it out. I love the book. You go through the book, it is more than just robert and cohen, it is part of what philadelphia does. You talk about mistakes that were made and how to remedy those mistakes and the process of the Justice System and bringing charges of investigating and it is fascinating and like your dad says, it is readable. In the beginning you quoted coll clarence daryl. I thought it was a good thing to remember. After all every women life in this world is inevitably mix with so many laws. No matter what kalaws we cause. Freedom comes from human beings rather than laws or institutions. That may one of my favorite votes of all time. N i i dont think how important it is . It has a change since people ge seem the rule of law. So thats why i spend all this time trying to write about the way people can step back. It is absolutely completely unredacted. Yes. Doing justice, it is a really wonderful book. Congratulations. You did a great job. I was happy to be on before the baby. I am, too. We never know. Preet, thank you so much. Good luck out there. More on trumps 2020 Campaign Hopes to rep uponize the report. Jonathanly mer is jo jonathan lemilemire, thank you. Also, will your bills cost you your home . T this type of emotion make youre jaw drop drop say oh my drop drop drop make u say oh my god my drop drop make youre jaw drop make u say oh my god but im more than a number. When im not sharing ideas with my colleagues im defending my kingdom. 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The report will produce what he insisted all along that there is no clear evidence of conspiracy of russia and his 2016 campaign. Trump and his advisers are considering how to weaponize those findings. Joining me Jonathan Lemire and our law professor joyce vance. John, how are they plan to use this report . Well, lets make two things clear up front. No one knows whats in the report yet. Number two, the Mueller Investigation is far from a witch hunt. We know the totals of indictments and charges. Having said that, people around the president have been saying recent days and weeks as we reported in our story that there is not going to be anything new or a smoking gun or some sort of bomb shell theyre unaware of. The president is going to try to take that. Instead of running from the port which i think most of us anticipated, the idea pointing out suggesting his claim would be there is nothing here. This has been two years and tens of millions of dollars. It obstruct my agenda. Are they going to take it and look, this does not work. This is a proven fact. There is no collusion or conspiracy, you already had your shot at me, what is the house dems doing . Hes going to dont tear down the Justice Department for his own political ends. Hes going to use it to bash his foe. The department of justice and the deep state and the american system, perhaps also importantly the democrats now are in control of the house who now launched their own way of investigation. Thats one way of putting it. Hes going to suggest, again, this is assuming the report comes back without that new bomb shell. Hes going to say look, i didnt interfere or fire mueller, we gave him two years, this is what he came up with. Yet, you are still investigating me and hes going to paint democrats as being obstructionists and he hopes other around him will believe it. Hell make the case that people perhaps have soured on him a little bit. He painted himself as a victim. It is unclear it will work in 2020. Well find out. There is also reporting out there joyce that the president s team and the white house will end up seeing the report or wants to see the report before congress will. Jerry nadl jerry nadler tweeted in opposition to that. The law here is very clear, when he finished his work, mueller is required to report to the attorney general whos required to report to the house and Senate Judiciary committee. Joyce, what do you think . So the argument that the white house will make here, katy, is theyre entitled to scrutinize the report to make sure none of the materials that it contains fall under the executive privilege. The president should have some private conversations with his advisers so they can give him advice. It is very unclear here that the white house has not asserted executive privilege in a timely fashion. Theyll make the argument that they have at least put it out there and entitled to do this. I think it is highly questionable and it just makes the white house looks like they have something to hide. There were a number of document requests made by chairman and congress to the white house and Elijah Cummings have said the white house did not turn over a single piece of paper to his committee. That was when the democrats came back into power, exercising oversight which is their congressional authority, part of the separation of powers. He said i sent 12 letters on half a dozen of topics. In response to the white house, refusing to hand over any documents and any witnesses for interviews. The white house have not turned over a single piece of paper to our committee or make a single official available for system during the 116 congress. What other avenue, joyce, do democrats and congress have to try to enforce the white houses hand . They were requests and they were polite letters asking people to comply with them. Thats an opening though. Now the committee can get toughen and they can send out subpoenas to people. I suspect that end up pretty quickly with the white house in some sort of a courtroom setting. There is a possibility that theyll negotiate in the white house agree to turn over some documents. It seems like this white house posture, congress should not and i dont believe well stand for that sort soft attitude well see the executive branch and legislative branch. Going after the counsel trying to use the Mueller Investigation as a Political Tool for 2020. Hes not responding to congress or an equal branch of government. Thats an attack on the american system. Thats right, he put politics ahead of our government. Time and time again, he defides the convention. It is not how he sees things. This president will keep his inner circle. It is all about Political Warfare and trying to win that minute or second or that news cycle of whatever it may be. The Mueller Probe is threat to the presidency. Right now they feel like they can take this and use it as a