All the democrats fault. Mr. President , what about the daca kids . Should they worry about whats going to happen . They had this great opportunity. Democrats have really let them down. Its a shame. Now people are taking advantage of daca. Fact check. Undocumented immigrants who come into the country now cannot, as he said, take advantage of daca. Only those in the country before 2007 are eligible for the program. Its written down, its on the books, its all right out there. President trump was also the one who originally pulled the plug on the program. Remember when he wanted to Work Together on a deal . I feel having the democrats in with us is absolutely vital, because this should be a bipartisan bill. This should be a bill of love. Truly, it should be a bill of love. Lets debrief with our team of reporters. Katherine lucy is a White House Reporter for the associated press. Ashley parker is a White House Reporter for the washington post. And an msnbc political analyst. And ken vogue el is a political reporter for the New York Times. Ken, its not just dreamers or daca or amazon or democrats, i should say, hes also going after amazon, china is out with new tariffs. Stocks are sinking. Anyone in the white house concerned about whats going on right now . Sure. A lot of people are. And as you mentioned, theres not a whole lot of message discipline. Partly, maybe thats because of the lack of Communications Director after hope hicks departure, but we havent seen a whole lot of the folks around donald trump at any point during his presidency have a whole lot of luck reigning in him on this. Where you do potentially see some effect from this, and maybe even some consistency in the message is that he is making a lot of our allies uneasy, and perhaps intentionally, in the case of mexico, you see with these trade actions, a willingness to get tough on trade in a way that is consistent with what he said during the campaign and the threat of using immigration policy and the border to potentially change, to use that as a bargaining chip and nafta negotiations, thats making mexico uneasy. And you saw that with the message from the mexican president ial candidate. Maybe thats something that does sort of down to his benefit and that could be as a little bit of strategy behind this otherwise seemingly unstrategic set of tweets. Ashley, who is in charge of messaging right now . Over the weekend, he was left with Stephen Miller. He was left with sean hannity, others who were at maralago with him. But chief of staff john kelly was not with him. Whos the one that has his ear . Whos the one helping him shape these tweets . Anybody . Well, the truth is, the person who is in charge of messaging is the person who has always been in charge of messaging. And thats President Trump himself. Obviously, now, he has lost his Communications Director with hope hicks leaving, but she never sort of played that traditional role of, you know, messaging and talking points and thinking longterm about that. It just wasnt what she did. She played an important role, but it wasnt that. And this is a complaint that a lot of west wing and white house aides have. Which is that even if you do have someone in these roles, in the constructer role, may or may not get filled anytime soon. But even when you do have a Communications Director and a chief of staff and a top political strategist, they say the president believes and acts as his own Communications Director, his own chief of staff, his own political director. And thats really the challenge. So there are people who are in his ear, as you know, when hes at maralago, hes talking to a lot of friends, a lot of club members, a lot of people who dont have quite as good access to him with the strictures of the white house. But at the end of the day, its the president himself. Let me ask you about that messaging. The the president aware of the policy, like, for instance, with daca. Hes talking about how people coming across the country or coming over the border will take advantage of it now, when they cannot. Theres already regulations, there are rules that would disqualify anybody coming in now. Does he not understand the policy . Does he not know it . Or is he lying about it . Its unclear. The president historically is not a deep student of policy. Hes not someone who gets into the weeds on things. You know, there are things, for instance, his advisers tried to explain to him and sometimes they say he sort of doesnt seem to understand or doesnt care to understand. And at other points, he sort of may understand and just chooses to ignore it. So, there are people in the white house who do understand the policy, who do understand, you know, to get those daca protections, you had to be here in 2007 and you had to be a certain age. And i have to imagine that was communicated to the president. But what youre seeing, he either knows and doesnt care or hasnt quite taken the time to understand those pretty basic nuances. Im not sure which one of those is better. What does it mean, though, for the policy, katherine . Whats going to happen with daca . I know its being held up right now in the courts, but the president ultimately had multiple opportunities to cut a deal on it, but the democrats were complaining that wherever they cut a deal with him, he reneged and asked for more. Yes wing wh, i think what we waiting to see now, does this represent some kind of new push or is it really just the president venting after a weekend where he talked to a lot of people who had concerns on this issue, had time to watch, you know, cable news shows, talking about some immigration issues. And sort of letting you have steam. And another thing to think about here, as we look at what hes doing recently, we have seen this president , i think in recent weeks and months, become more sort of confidant and empowered in being his own messenger, which has obviously, always been his priority. But weve seen him change top staffers, bring in new people, and were seeing an increasingly sort of emboldened president. Just look at the dow right now, down more than 700 points. Theres also reporting that this quarter has so far gotten the worst start of any quarter since the Great Depression. The Great Depression, not the recession, so since 1929. The Second Quarter start is the worst. Ken, the president is also trying to pressure republicans into changing senate rules. He wants them and he said this over and over again, but hes bringing it back, to go to the nuclear option, which is 51 votes needed to pass things like immigration laws. Is this an indication that hes looking shortterm or longterm, because ultimately, Mitch Mcconnell said hes not going to change that law and if you have democrats in power in a 51vote majority, a whole lot of things that republicans or conservatives dont like would be passed pretty easily. I think its really an indication of the disconnect between the president and his policy staff. The white house policy staff rather, the Congressional Legislative Affairs staff is making no effort to push Mitch Mcconnell, to change senate rules, to allow for 50vote majority. And beyond that, if you look at the last time that we had any kind of effort on immigration reform, we didnt even get to that 50vote margin. So the last time that there was a bill that sort of encompassed what President Trump wanted. There was not even the support with a simple majority. So i think it shows a disconnect here. And perhaps more of the lack of strategy. Katherine lucy, ashley parker, and ken vogel, guys, thank you very much. A pleasure. And eddy glad is an msnbc contributor and chairman of Princeton Center for frame studies and rick tyler is a prm strategist and msnbc political analyst. Theyre here to chew this over for me a little bit. Eddy, i want to ask you my other big yes, which is, does the president understand the policy or is he lying about it . Ashley denied really know, but if hes being told, heres what things are, and then goes on twitter and says something else, i dont know. Whats your take . Whats worse . So, both of them are horrible. I think my instinct is that hes lying about it. I mean, its a consistent pattern. But at the end of the day, he doesnt care about the facts, right . I think its difficult to have this kind of conversation, because we could go through, katy, every point and show hes just simply gotten the facts wrong. But the point is that President Trump is not interested in the merits of the debate. Hes only interested in generating or ginning up a kind of moral panic to justify cruel and draconian policy. And so this is really about throwing red meat to his base. This is really about responding to ann coulter and those on the far right who said that theyre leaving him. It has nothing really to do with the merits of the conversation. And, of course, behind it, are folks like Stephen Miller and vn john kelly, perhaps trying to push him even more to the right. What is the strategy here, looking forward, though, rick . I mean, were coming up on the 2018 midterms. Could this be the president l k looking back and saying, heres what really worked for me. Looking at the criminals theyre allowing to come across the border, these caravans is what hes using now. Lets talk about nafta and trade deals. Lets talk about all the things that worked for me. Is this his strategy, because it worked in 2016, it will work in 2018 . I think thats exactly whats going on. I think the president has hes been very frustrated with his communications team, hope hicks never really, as ashley said in your previous segment, never really fulfilled the Communications Director. I dont think we really had one since mike dubke. So thats been left open. And hes in charge of the message and he sends out all of these conflicting points of view. But he wants to return, exactly what youre saying, to the red meat that seemed to work in the campaign. Unfortunately, now that hes governing, its having a backlash. You look at oberdor whos running for president of mexico, whos ahead 18 points and hes running on a nationalistic message thats antitrump and that the United States needs to show mexicans some respect. So hes not likely to work very well with donald trump in getting his objectives done, protecting the border. Doesnt donald trump want a foil . And wouldnt that allow him a great foil . Somebody to argue, somebody to blame, somebody to focus on, to say that heres heres why everything isnt working, because of this leader down in mexico. Could that work for him, eddie . Not really. Outside that 30 to 42 , outside of that number, i dont think so. Remember, its really about him moving beyond those folks who will support him no matter what. And what we know about donald trump is that hes never been interested in expanding the electorate, in terms of his support. Hes always, in some ways, governing towards and speaking to, right, that particular base. And insofar as hes doing that, its always appealing to their lesser angels, trying to activate, right welco, that ugl dimension of who they take themselves to be. Trying to exploit their fears for their own ends. I dont see this as having any kind of good political outcome. Rick, the dow is down the dow is down 700 points. The president had talked about how when the dow is up, its all because of him, he champions it. How much of a price is he going to pay for an unstable stock market . Well, i think this dow plunge has a lot to do with him, and particularly because china has now retaliated on trade, thats going to hurt our states in the south and pork farmers in iowa. If youre looking to get reelected, you want to protect iowa. Hes not doing that. And, you know, other than the fed chairman, who usually is is pretty cautious about their public remarks, because they do have an impact on the dow, you can see directly what the president s remarks on the dow and also amazon, he seems to be attacking amazon. Amazon is wildly successful, so jeff bezos, because people like amazon, yet he doesnt seem to be upset with amazon, he seems to be upset with bezos other acquisition, which is the washington post. Yeah. Rick tyler, eddie glaude, gentlemen, thank you very much. Its not stocks, its not the economy, its not russia, its not stormy, its not the wall. A new article makes a different case for what could ultimately do in this president , thats coming up next. Day. Over the years, paul and i have met regularly with our ameriprise advisor. We plan for everything from retirement to college savings. Giving us the ability to add on for an important member of our family. Welcome home mom. 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So far, scandals bounce off President Trump like a geyser on goretex. We saw it during the campaign when he descended his golden escalator to tell everyone that mexico was sending rapists over the border, when he bragged about being able to grab women by their genitals in the access hollywood tape, when he was accused by more than a dozen women of Sexual Harassment and worse, and we continued to see it after he took office, when he called a group of White Supremacists in charlottesville, virginia, fine people, when he fired his fbi director, when his campaign officials, including his former Campaign Chairman was indicted for conspiracy in the russia probe, when his National Security adviser pleaded guilty to lying in that same probe. And when more recently he was accused of sleeping, cheating on his wife, and paying off a playmate and porn star. Nothing, so far, that has moved the needle for this president , whose Approval Rating hovers around 40 right now. But one writer thinks he knows what trumps ultimate kryptonite will be. In a piece out today, a new york magazine, Writer Jonathan chait suggests his greatest political liability isnt racism or sexism or russia, instead, it is corruption. Chait writes, theres a reason trump labeled his opponent crooked hillary and it stems from the law of american Politics Democrats would be wise to remember. To be out for yourself is probably the single most disqualifying flaw a politician can have. Jonathan chait, a daily columnist joins me now along with mimi rocah, a distinguished fellow in criminal justice at Pace University law school. Jonathan, welcome to the show. I think its your first time on with me. Thank you so much. I gobbled up your article today. I think its a fascinating take. All of these scandals, though, have been pretty apparent since day one. Why do you think that theyre going to make the ultimate difference in 2018 or 2020 . I think its a rubric thats wide enough to encompass a lot of the scandals that are in the news about trump and a lot of the policy that trump and the Republican Congress have pushed. Keep in mind, democrats have to run against congress, as well as running against President Trump in 2018 and in 2020. So i think this idea that theyre out for themselves describes what theyve done in regulation. It describes what theyve done on taxes. And also a lot of these scandals revolving around selfenrichment and even the russia scandal. A lot of that is just them trying to get money from these kind of shady people in russia. Which of the scandals or the controversies do you think are punching through . Is it Jared Kushner . The cabinet members . The president s ties to russia . Which one . I think theyre all having some effect. You know, as you said at the top of the segment, hes hovering around 40 . And thats pretty bad for but thats where hes been since day one. Right. And thats what elected him, that 40 . I mean, among republicans, its still a very high number, much higher than 40 . Right, sure, among republicans. But he needs more than just republicans. He needs to get close to 50 . He needs to get into the upper 40s to win. And right now, hes at 40 or in the low 40s. The difference between low 40s and upper 40s is the difference between winning and losing. So i think to keep him down at 40 or below 40, i think you need some theme that his supporters can understand. And i really think that theme is this original promise he made in 2016 that he was going to be greedy for us. He was going to stop caring about his business and do what he could for the american people. I think off point with that, but heres my one pushback. I think what voters saw in donald trump was the truth. That he wasnt going to lie about being rich and wanting to get money himself and grabbing everything in front of him. What they saw in other politicians was that they were doing, but they were lying about it. They saw that politics in general and lawmakers in general were corrupt and they believed them to be corrupt and what they cared about was, how can you help me . How can you put money in my pocket . So if donald trump does put money in their pocket, says the tax bill, puts a little extra ca