David Gura hosts coverage of national and international news, including breaking stories. Change the narrative around this meeting. I want to step back and give us an understanding of how Michael Cohen was his confidant, his fixer, this relationship has turned dramatically here. Yes. Im most interested in how this plies with voters. Im seeing a parallel to what Rudy Giuliani said this summer. Michael cohen was honest with the utmost of credibility. I would hear the same thing from house sources in particular, today talking to people, what is kind of the read on your members after this week, ahead of midterms. They say, you know what, Michael Cohen has always had credibility issues, at this point swrees visavis the don junior
meeting until the Senate Committee subpoenas him to come back and testify once more, to say under oath that liz father did not know about this meeting. I dont see the political implications of this at this moment. We have seen this play out with flair and flourish this week. Starting with the playing of that tape on national television. Realtime. Lanny davis, Michael Cohens lawyer there we listen to it with him, with chris cuomo and lanny davis in realtime. To elenas point there, there have been points of real drama here this week, whats your sense of the effect thats having politically. Certainly, those in the president s base will be unmoved by this. In part because of the nature of our politics today, you have such tribalism. Over that, you have the cult of personalities surrounding the president. That said, you do get the sense that there is this fear and sense of frustration surrounding this overall cohen investigation, that does not exist with the overall russia investigation. In part, because where as the president could shut down if he wanted or narrow the russian ya investigation or perhaps even getting rid of rosenstein. He cant really do that with such ease with the cohen investigation since its being carried out by the Prosecutors Office in the Southern District of new york. Thats why you get the sense that the president himself senses that theres a more direct threat here, posed by the cohen investigation than by the overall mueller investigation. Lets dove tail this with the president s effort to have a sequel to his summit in helsinki. We heard from john bolton saying it would be advisable for that summit not to take place until the new year, then we heard this
from the president of russia himself, lets take a listen. We are ready to invite President Trump to moscow, be my guest. He has such an invitation, and i told him that. I am ready to go to washington as well. I repeat once again, if the right conditions for work are created. Lets focus on that last clause if we can. This was the second big summit where there was a lot of attention, a lot of emphasis on the fact that the meeting was taking place. What is this back and forth, this invitation from President Putin here at the end of the week. Tell you about the point of the second meeting that would take place . Vladimir putin has a different vision of a potential second person to person meeting with President Trump. It was extended by john bolton just last week. It was rescinded by the white house claiming they didnt want to do it while the Mueller Probe was on going. The white house knew the probe would be on going when they initially extended this invitation to putin. Their explanation doesnt make sense. What does make sense, however, is putins perspective on all this. And from his perspective, this sure looks like a naked power play on his part. An effort to say, i dont need to go to the white house, but President Trump, why dont you come here to moscow, in a sense vladimir putin, it looks like, is trying to summon President Trump to moscow, to bring him to his turf. He said, ill go to washington, but only if the conditions are right. President trump is certainly well here. We heard from Sarah Huckabee sanders yesterday, that President Trump would indeed ener if taken a Visit To Moscow if the invitation was forthcoming. This could be something in the offing, in the coming months. There was so much back and
forth after that meeting in helsinki, the degree to which the Administration Takes seriously. 19 months into this administration, the National Security council finally sits down and discusses the threat of russian interference. Just Window Dressesing what do you make of that . Ultimately, russian interference in this election was for good. What the russians revealed was ultimately true and good for the country because it got us a leader who isth to fight for the United States. I think we havent reached the point where something is able to be spin noor this administration. Its interesting to try to find when that line will be drawn. People are happier, think it was beneficial that the russians intervened back in 2016. 18 charges, 35 potential witnesses and up to 10 years in prison. Up next, what to watch for in former Trump Campaign chairman Paul Manaforts upcoming trial. And how concerned should the white house be about whats going to unfold inside that virginia courtroom. Heres a trip tip when you Search Hotels on tripadvisor. Enter your destination and the dates of your stay. Tripadvisor searches over 200 booking sites. To find the best deal on the right hotel for you. Tripadvisor. I saw my leg did not look right. I landed. I was just finishing a ride. I felt this awful pain in my chest. I had a Pe Blood Clot in my lung. I was scared. I had a dvt blood clot. Having one really puts you in danger of having another. My doctor and i chose xarelto®. Xarelto®. To help keep me protected. Xarelto® is a latestgeneration Blood Thinner thats. Proven to treat and reduce the risk of dvt or Pe Blood Clots from happening again. In clinical studies, almost 98 of patients on xarelto® did not experience another dvt or pe. Xarelto® works differently. Warfarin interferes with at least 6 of your bodys natural bloodclotting factors. Xarelto® is selective, targeting just one critical factor. Dont stop taking xarelto® without talking to your doctor, as this may increase risk of blood clots. While taking, you may bruise more easily, or take longer for bleeding to stop. Xarelto® can cause serious, and in rare cases, fatal bleeding. It may increase your risk of bleeding if you take certain medicines. Get help right away for unexpected bleeding or unusual bruising. Do not take xarelto® if you have an Artificial Heart Valve or abnormal bleeding. Before starting, tell your doctor about all planned medical or dental procedures and any kidney or liver problems. Learn all you can. To help protect yourself from another dvt or pe. Talk to your doctor about xarelto®. Are you ready to take your then you need xfinity xfi. . A more powerful way to stay connected. It gives you super fast speeds for all your devices, provides the most Wifi Coverage for your home, and lets you control your network with the xfi app. Its the ultimate wifi experience. Xfinity xfi, simple, easy, awesome. Welcome back. On tuesday, the trial for prisoner 00045343, that is one Paul Manafort will begin. We have the list of 35 witnesses the government will call to testify. Paul manafort is charged with 18 counts of bank and tax fraud, jurors in the virginia case expected to hear from bankers, from accountants, car dealers as well, Paul Manafort is expected
to face a second criminal trial in washington in september. That will be on charges related to witness tampering, in connection to his lobbying work. Let me start with what youre going to be watching for here. This is a trial thats been postponed. In light of the fact that thousands of pages of documents related to rick gates and his accountant were dumped here, they had to postpone this trial by a few days. What are you going to be watching for . Its going to be an interesting trial, and, of course, knees documents all stemmed from Paul Manafort, so hes very familiar with them, and his accountants are familiar with them, because they prepared some of them. But it gave enough time for his lawyers to really become familiar with them since he changed lawyers. His other lawyers would have been familiar with them. I expect the trial to take two parts, the first part will be showing what his expenditures were, and he had a very lavish
lifestyle. He spent 850,000 for suits. 850,000. And almost as much for landscaping. He spent a half Million Dollars to landscape one of his many homes. Were going to see how much he spent. And then were going to look at the tax returns and how much he reported his income. Obviously he didnt have enough income reported to cover those expenses. Then the next part will be to show that he had all this unreported income that went into foreign bank accounts. And then well look at where it came from, and it came from his work in ukraine. Working for the pro Russian Forces who are trying to undermine the independent ukrainian government. Hes going to look bad in terms of how much he was spending and how unrelatable that is to the average person. And then also in terms of the kind of work he was doing. Thats what i expect to see, and
ultimately what if shows is the kind of people that donald trump sur rounded himself with. He proemsed us the best and he produced Paul Manafort, Michael Cohen, Rudy Giuliani. These are the best people, and thats what people will ultimately see. The president , his legal team are going to be watching this closely. Rudy giuliani was on cnn last evening, lets take a listen to what he said about this trial. Theyre putting manafort on trial in order to get him to break. May have theyve succeeded ede cracking this guy and getting him to lie. Im not sure about that. Im not sure, i shouldnt say it. Then dont say it. Sound words there. I want to ask you about how unorthodoxed this case is, you have a judge whos drawing clear lines about whats supposed to be discussed in this trial. He doesnt want russia to be discussed, prosecutors say they dont intend to bring up russia or allegations in the course of this trial. How difficult is that going to be . Youve been a prosecutor, how hard is it to stay within the lines when you have dualing trials like this . Its not hard at all. I think they have such compelling evidence of his guilt that they can really limit themselves to his expenditures and his income, and to the sources of his income, they do have to talk about the pro russia government that he was supporting, only because it helps to understand where he got his money and why it was such large sums. I also want to address what Rudy Giuliani said, he was not put in solitary confinement, that is just a made up fact. He was living very luxuriously, if you remember in prison im talking about, he explained or liz lawyers complained that they couldnt prepare him for trial, they wanted him moved closer, then he said, oh, no,
no, no. I want to stay here, because it turned out that he had quite a nice setup with computers and all sorts of televisions and he was living very well there, and so he didnt really want to be moved to d. C. Where it would be easy for him to work with his lawyers, but where he would not be living except in a normal prison. So i dont think its fair to say anything bad about how he was being kept. He was being kept in a very, very almost as lavish as his own private life, at least for a jail. Before i let you go. People turn to you for your incisive legal pins, they have also come to love the pins and brooches you wear as well. You have quite a following on instagram. What are you wearing today . Tell us about the pin today . It came from a twitter follower, it is a very beautiful blue wave. Its a big blue wave, thats what im expecting in november. Its the only thing thats going to save our democracy from what is happening, from children being separated from their families, from a 6yearold girl being assaulted and told that she had to sign a document. This is a 6yearold who is guatemalan and probably doesnt read english, saying she was responsible for staying away from her assaulter. These are things that we cannot have continue. We cannot have the president saying facts dont matter. I believe what i heard on the tape, he said cash. And he knew about the payments, so i think we need to be focusing on that, and thats what should motivate democrats and republicans to support the candidates who will not allow this to continue. Jill winebanks, thank you very much as always. The eye of the storm, allegations of sexual misconduct
against the head of cbs that stretch back decades. Next. Eliquis is proven to reduce stroke risk better than warfarin. Plus has significantly less major bleeding than warfarin. Eliquis is fdaapproved and has both. So whats next . Seeing these guys. Dont Stop Taking Eliquis unless your doctor tells you to, as stopping increases your risk of having a stroke. Eliquis can cause serious and in rare cases fatal bleeding. Dont take eliquis if you have an Artificial Heart Valve or abnormal bleeding. While taking eliquis, you may bruise more easily and it may take longer than usual for any bleeding to stop. Seek immediate medical care for sudden signs of bleeding, like unusual bruising. Eliquis may increase your bleeding risk if you take certain medicines. Tell your doctor about all planned medical or dental procedures. Eliquis, the number one cardiologistprescribed Blood Thinner. Ask your doctor if eliquis is whats next for you. Les moonves. Six women between the 1980s and late 2000s, Say Les Moonves forcefully touched them. Two mentioned that moon vez physically intimidated. He became cold or hostile after they rejected his advances. He responded to the reporting with the statement. I recognize that there were times decades ago when i may have made some women uncomfortable by making advances. Those are mistakes and i regret them immensely. The author of the king of conte content, kim masters is an editor at large for the hollywood reporter. Provide some context for me, if you would. About the role that les moonves plays in entertainment broadly. He rose to the top of the company in the last few years. He is the head of cbs. And hes a giant in the Entertainment Industry many hes an amazing show man hes a guy who projects incredible confidence. Hes at one time an actor. Hes managed to navigate cbs at a time when the broadcast industry is challenged. He started a streaming service, he maintains a dominant position in broadcast, so its a big, big individual in the hollywood landscape. I want to ask you, how momentous this is, this reporting, and im going to read a line from a piece in the Wall Street Journal today. He was befelled beginning last
winter. What does it mean when you see the details of these allegations in the new yorker. Weve been hearing about this for months, he had been reporting it for eight months. We knew something was up, and everyone in media was looking, and its a credit to him he found all these women to speak. And if was a devastating report, weve been expecting something, i was really shocked at how detailed it was and now cbs said theyre investigating. And it does not look good for les moonves. Its about the company and culture there, more broadly. 30 current and former cbs employees according to the new yorker described harassment, gender discrimination. Many said that men accused of misconduct were promoted. Even after the company was made aware of those allegations. Cbs said its mindful of all work allegations. Talk about the culture of cbs. Cbs is its got the largest overall audience. Considered to be an older audience, and it does have a bit of an old hollywood feel, les moon vez is one of the last creative show man type executives. The culture is a little bit like a mens club culture. Hes had very high level executives. Working at a top level there, its a kind of. Theres a little bit of a paradox in that women have had opportunities at cbs. And at the same time, there is that boys club feel thats part of the culture there. The way this piece begins. Talking about women in the workplace, i want to get your perspective as well. How out in the open has he been talking about this . Hes been talking about it as has the head of every major company. When somebody like Kathy Kennedy pulls together a group to address the me too issues, the head of every studio, she demanded that each one come and appear. Les moonves is by any means not the only man in the world with questionable history. Theres a lot of chatter about the guys showing up at these meetings, some of whom had to be in discomfort. Im going to read a quote here from the hollywood reporter. His most recent challenge. That entity holds sway. Is trying to dilute les cherry. Sherry red stone in a statement after this report came out said, shes not responsible for it, she has no role in it, she resents the insin u taking that that happened here, help me understand this moment. The timing of this piece is extraordinary, it comes in the middle of this lawsuit and cbs. Theres going to be a trial in october. And either her familys control is going to be stripped away or shes going to win and hes probably not going to be working there much longer. So that was already happening for this to drop in the middle, i thought that cbss statement
yesterday saying, isnt it timing strange. It was essentially insinuating that she was behind it, and weve seen more whispers of that in the last 24 hours that are pretty extraordinary. I want you to weighin on that as well. His wife issued a statement. Shes standing by him. To that point, les moonvess position in this company was very much in jeopardy before this report hit. I know for a fact that people believe that Sherry Red Stone had les moonves investigated. Ronan farrow started reporting this story, well before this lawsuit blew up and the confrontation over the two companies blew up. Its possible people were putting things into the water, and i believe internally, sherry was pressuring for an investigation for les moonves, it serves her purposes as he was resisting a merger of the two
companies. Kim masters in los angeles. Follow the money, does President Trump have a john edwards problem . When we come back, well compare Donald Trumps hush payment. Your society was led by a woman, who governed thousands. Commanded armies. Yielded to no one. When i found you in my dna, i learned where my strength comes from. My name is courtney mckinney, and this is my ancestrydna story. Now with 2 times more geographic detail than other dna tests. Order your kit at ancestrydna. Com. Tell your doctor about dental problems, as severe Jaw Bone Problems may happen or new or unusual pain in your hip, groin, or thigh, as unusual Thigh Bone Fractures have occurred. Speak to your doctor before stopping prolia®, as spine and other Bone Fractures have occurred. Prolia® can cause serious side effects, like low blood calcium; serious infections, which could need hospitalization; skin problems; and severe bone, joint, or muscle pain. If your bones arent getting stronger isnt it time for a new direction . Why wait . Ask your doctor about prolia. To a mistress. One person can only contribute 2700 to a candidate during an election. In the case of Karen Mcdougal, the story coming out months before the 2016 president ial election. It would have exceeded more than 127,000. A phrase thats entered our lexicon is catch and kill, thats when tabloids pay for exclusive rights to stories and never publish them to keep them out of the public eye. John edwards could not stay out of the tabloids when his extra marital affair broke. He was found not guilty of Campaign Finance charges. He used to be a Senior Vice President at the national enquirer, he owns bridge strategic communications. Lets start with this parallel laid out there in relief by lanny davis. Comparing what were seeing here to what happened with john edwards. How good is the comparison. I dont see it valid at all any more. What standard politicians are held accountable for these days. And the guy in office has done things that most candidates a are would have been lost. Were looking through totally different eyeglasses these days. I want to dig into that a little more. Catch and kill how involved is this . How common a practice is it. Weve been throwing it around over the last many months, give us the history, how involved it is. It goes back to the fact that the owner of the company has a portfolio of properties and win of the benefits of being a media owner, you can decide whats published and what isnt in the properties you own. You want to take care of people you are friendly with. When the Karen Mcdougal situation comes up, they paid her 150,000 to take her story
and in exchange for that, they were going to offer her other roles within American Media publications. The kill part, as an owner you can decide what makes your book and what doesnt. And obviously, in this case we believe it was a favor, but often times when these stories are killed, theyre to protect a friend of the owner of the company. I wanted to ask you about that. John edwards was in tabloid after tabloid after tabloid. The Mainstream Media as well. What accounted for that, how does one get a story killed . Is it always based on a friendship . I would say it is. You have to look at the john edwards story, how it broke. Once again, a totally different world, if we held trump accountable to the kind of personality things that edwards was thrown out of office for or
lost the campaign rather. Trump clearly would not be in office today. His base as he often says he could stand on the corner of fifth avenue and shoot somebody, it wouldnt make a difference. Its a totally different world now. How pivotal was that moment . This came out in the tabloids, its something the media ran with. How important was that . I want to say, its kind of ironic how topsyturvy the world is right now. We have a president who calls out any media company, yours, cnn that criticizes him as fake news and here he is in bed with the publication that started fake news, that was fwhoin for it many years ago, i just had to put that on the table. I think its bizarre were having this conversation. Thank you for the time. President trump calls the
economy under his leadership amazing. That was his message after the Commerce Department released new numbers on friday. Centering around the gdp increasing 4. 1 . A number like that is just the beginning. These numbers are very, very sustainable. This isnt a one time shot. I happen to think were going to do extraordinarily well in our next report next quarter. I think its going to be outstanding. Prediction from the president , but experts do not see it that way. These numbers have been pumped up by mr. Trumps brewing trade war, theyre not going to last. Trade tensions have caused experts to surge with foreign buyers, rushing to stock up on u. S. Products this would make these numbers a unique blip rather than a true indicator of future growth. The president yesterday continued. If Economic Growth continues at this pace, the u. S. Economy
will double in sizemore than 10 years faster than it would have under president bush or President Obama. Many economists predicted exports will decline in the next two quarters, dragging down gdp as they fall. The president and experts do agree on one thing, though. These numbers are likely to be good news for mr. Trump and the gop. Joining me now is matt greeley. Matt, let me start with you here and a meeting that took place between President Trump and the european commission. The Wall Street Journal wrote about how they came to an agreement on this. If you want to be stupid, he told mr. Trump, i can be stupid as well. Backing up his points, he flipped through more than a dozen colorful cue cards, each
card had at most three figures about a specific topic, such as trade in cars, or standards for medical devices, we knew this wasnt an academic seminar, it had to be very simple. On the heels of that meeting, on the heels of that agreement. You had wilbur ross talking to reporters on air force one. This is a real vindication of the president s trade policy. You hear secretary ross crowing about this what changed this week when it comes to trade. President trump did something right in that he realized his threatened National Security tariffs was a bad idea. It was only going to lead to another Trade Battle Where Europe was going to turn to us. I mentioned the trade was a component of the data point
after data point after data point. How did trade affect all of this. One place where the United States economy is uniquely vulnerable, we grow a lot of soybeans and support them to china. The Consumer Product is hogs, the input was u. S. Soybeans. The challenges that were not the Monopoly Supplier of soybeans in the world, brazil supplies soybeans as well, they do more than we do. So weve always been vulnerable on exactly this. Now, the challenge is, brazil has known for a year that these tensions are coming, and they increased their acreage over the last year, they seem to be more prepared for this than we have. When you look at the gdp numbers, whats happened is, after china imposed a 25 tariff on u. S. Soybeans, suppliers
rushed to make sure they got their orders placed ahead of time. That all said, the gdp numbers dont look awful even without the trade bump. Theyre still above 3 . What stands out to me in these gdp numbers is that there doesnt seem to be a ton of business investment. One of the things the tax cuts were supposed to do is encourage businesses to buy more stuff. We saw it in the first quarter, less of it in the Second Quarter that was a surprise to me. I want to get into the politics of this here. Were right back where we started from thinking about deals like this, the u. S. For a long time was trying to broker a deal with the European Union when it came to trade. Whats been agreed to here is not whats going to happen when President Obama was in office. It seems to me you have another situation thats going to happen or likely to happen. This is a lot less. We were negotiating tee tip. Now theyre talking about just reducing tariffs on auto and trying to put together a Free Trade Agreement for industrial goods which is not permissible under wto rules. Last question to you, here, i mentioned the political code there at the end of my intro. I should say, it must be subject to revision, we could see that here. How important was it for the president to get this, as we look ahead to november. Is he in the clear now when he goes and talks to voters about where the economy is . Yeah, its incredibly important. Weve been talking about getting the economy above sustainable 3 growth for a long time. For a time on the campaign, he was arguing with jeb whether it was going to be 3 , 4 , 5 , the
reason they are silly made up numbers, its difficult to get the economy under any president or any congress to grow more than 2. 5 right now. Any predictor you look at says if you look at the imf estimates of long term growth, anybody who makes predictions, nobody has it near 3. 5 or 4 . Almost nobody has it near 3 . Its unlikely this will be sustainably a year long result. That said it doesnt really matter, i can say as mr. Times as i want, that a one quarter result isnt an annual result, hes going to go out on the stump and say this number, 4. 1 , and its going to be a valid number. Great to speak with both of you. Im sure there will be more opportunities to talk with you in the future. Social anxiety, up next, what facebook and twitters woeful week on wall street tells us about the companys viability. And are they Too Big To Fail . Because theyve chosen the industry leader. Subaru outback holds its value better than any other vehicle in its class, according to alg. Better than rav4. Better than grand cherokee. Better than edge. Make every adventure a happy one with subaru outback. Get 0 Apr Financing on the 2018 subaru outback. Ive been Making Blades here at gillette for 20 years. Theres a lot of innovation that goes into making americas 1 shave. Precision machinery and highquality materials from around the world. Nobody else even comes close. Now starting at 7. 99. Gillette. The best a man can get. Purchase the Essilor Ultimate Lens Package and get a second pair of qualifying lenses free. Essilor. Better sight. Better life. Be right back. With moderate to severe Crohns Disease, i was there, just not always where i needed to be. Is she alright . I hope so. So i talked to my doctor about humira. I learned humira is for people who still have symptoms of Crohns Disease after trying other medications. And the majority of people on humira saw significant symptom relief and many achieved remission in as little as 4 weeks. Humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. Serious, sometimes fatal infections and cancers, including lymphoma, have happened; as have blood, liver, and nervous system problems, serious allergic reactions, and new or worsening heart failure. Before treatment, get tested for tb. Tell your doctor if youve been to areas where certain fungal infections are common, and if youve had tb, hepatitis b, are prone to infections, or have flulike symptoms or sores. Dont start humira if you have an infection. Be there for you, and them. Ask your gastroenterologist about humira. With humira, remission is possible. Well, couple of the worlds social Media Companies this week, facebook had the biggest single day loss for any Public Company in u. S. Stock market history, plunging nearly 20 on thursday, wiping out nearly 119 million of its market value and twitter also taking a beating, shares dropped more than 20 on friday. Joining me now, john hermann. John, great to have you with me. Youve written about this evolution from questions to companies to institutions. I want to take that and apply it
to facebook here. When you look at this quarter, was it facebook having to reckon, maybe not for the first time, but really when it comes to finances, with willing an institution with having to invest more in privacy and security and all of that . Yeah. Theres no doubt that facebook doing, you know, quote, unquote, the right thing here is going to cost them, but i think thats almost an easier story for them to tell than the underlying financial story, which a lot of facebook critics have been hinting at for years, which is that facebooks core product, like facebook proper, the big blue site, is slowing down a little bit. In its most mature markets, people arent using it like they used to and theyve been throwing everything they can at the service to get people reengaged. All the nagging emails and notifications, that note that two of your friends liked a status and you should check it out, thats a sign they are fighting slowdowns, so thats a story theyd almost rather tell less than this big flashy scary political story. So is it an existential
debate companies are having . As you say, facebook is a site, we know its a way to connect with friends and family and all of that, but it is an engine for creating revenue, as well, or has been an engine for creating ad revenue, as well. What kind of evolution is going on in Silicon Valley with some of these companies . A long epic decade or so . The problem with something as big and comprehensive as facebook is that its a different thing to everyone who uses it. Its a multisided platform in an economic sense. It brings people together to transact, but a user thinks this is the site where i talk to my friends, where i get my news and chat, its where i found people i used to go to school with or work with, and at the same time you have advertisers and other people on other sides of the platform thinking this is a way to reach customers. Then you have the shareholders thinking this is a winning stock, and what happens now at a moment like this is, we have to reckon with what facebook really
is. It is all of these things at once. Some of these identities are more important than the other ones. No one is signing up for facebook in 2005 or 2006 thought wed be where we are today, including the people who run it, but the people who need to make us think and feel this is normal, that this service should have this central role in our politics and lives, they run facebook. The rest of us feel this is surreal and kind of wild and, you know, we shouldnt be made to feel crazy for thinking thats the case. There was a bit of a report of Shadow Blocking going on on twitter, a story caught fire, the president tweeted about it, twitter Shadow Banning prominent republicans, not good. Well look into this at once. Many complaints. Shine a little more light on this, some republicans werent coming up in the auto filling in the site, no Shadow Banning was taking place, but my broader take away from that, john, these companies are now thrust into debates over politics and whose opinions are being prized more than others. They couldnt have envisioned
that in the beginning, now they have to be playing in these debates. How comfortable are they doing that in light of the concerns over privacy and competition . Are they more willing to, or resigned to, playing in those debates . They never see them coming, which we can take as a sign of their readiness and their ability to sort of engage with these difficult issues. You know, when it comes to dealing with politics directly in this visceral human way, they are incredibly ill equipped and dont want to do this. Its important for these platforms to appear to be, if not neutral, then sort of invisible or automatic. They want to be something that just works. That we dont think about too much as we use it, and even the simplest and sometimes, you know, badly motivated questions expose this massive void in how we understand these companies. Even if if ted cruz can ask a
bad faith question about twitter censorship and blow this apart, thats a sign you havent really established yourself in an honest way. You havent told an honest story about what you are as a service, and thats something youre going to pay for and not something they can correct very easily. Great to speak with you, thank you very much. Still ahead, joined live by tom steyer. Hes been one of the loudest voices calling for President Trumps impeachment. Does he have interest in running for president in 2020 himself
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