Transcripts For MSNBCW MSNBC Live With David Gura 20180325 :

Transcripts For MSNBCW MSNBC Live With David Gura 20180325

Legal team. A pair of attorneys its reported announced as appoint teaappoints will not be hired. That does not mean Joseph Digenova and victory tensing are completely out of the mix. Kelly odonnell is in West Palm Beach. Whats the latest on that reporter we had expected that Joseph Digenova and victory tensing would be a part of the Russia Investigation Team for the president. It had been announced by jay sekulow who leads that team for the president outside the white house. And then in the days intervening we got clues this might not turn out. First there was a talk about checking for conflicts of interest to see if there might be lawyers with a conflict taking on a new client who is the patriots. There are obvious ones right away. Tensing is representing markkaral low and hes involved in the russia investigation, so that could be a red flag right away. And then we saw that the president was tweeting he might not be adding to the team. Those were prominent clues. Then we got today a message from jay sekulow who had announced the original plan to hire, and today said this. The president is disappointed that conflicts prevent joe digenova and victory tone sing from joining the legal team. The president looks forward to working with them. So that is intended clearly to be a positive sign, not pushing out these two for any reason other than this conflict, thats the message theyre trying to send. We dont know what happened behind the scenes, but digenova and tensing are well known in washington. Digenova was prominent on television in the recent months saying things supportive of the president s opinion. And he was an attorney in the district of columbia. This is a change that caps a change that caps the announcement of john dowd for leaving the team. So theres been a real shakeup in the president s team. Im told not to expect that there would be some other name added right away. The president still has sekulow working with him, and he has inside the white house ty cobb, who is the liaison between the white house and the mueller investigation. But it does suggest that there might be other ways that digenova and tensing could help the president on other legal matters, so leaving that door open. You mentioned the word shakeup, and here we are on a sunday and you have yet more news, kelly, in terms of official statements about further changes in the cabinet. Reporter weve been tracking some of the notable names that have been under fire, and we dont have any impending changes, but weve been following the case of veterans affairs, David Shulkin and the housing and Development Secretary ben carson. Whatever narrative is out there, it is entirely manufactured by the media, he says, not a sled of truth to it, quote me on that he said to our colleague, geoff bennett. That refers to dr. Kracarson an his wife selected a dining set that cost more than 30,000 and that drew a lot of negative attention. How that was handled, how they explained it put dr. Carson in hot water. Then you have David Shulkin, the only holdover from the obama administration. And the spokesperson says there are no personnel changes to announce at the department of veterans affairs. President trump made it clear he expects it to be focusing on the veterans who have sacrificed to keep this country safe. Shulkin draw fire for bringing his wife along on official travel and extending some of their european travel a cost to taxpayers. The department has said theyre going to tighten some of the protocols for travel and expenses as a response. There have been many who predicted they could be vulnerable to a shakeup if the president chooses to ask them to step aside or chooses to let them go. But so far when were checking, nothing new on that just yet. Richard. The latest developments. Kelly odonnell in West Palm Beach following the president. Lets bring in msnbc legal analyst Danny Cevallos and michelle goldburg, columnist with the new york times. We have new data for both of you at the top of the hour here. Michelle, reflect on that development. Team. We know these two lawyers will not be joining the team, at least related to the mueller investigation. And then we have official statements, by the way, carson, shulkin, theyre not going anywhere. This cover story theyve discovered a conflict of interest of this legal team is ridiculous. Everyone knew they were involved with the russia probe when the possibility of them coming on was first broached. I think its possible, though, this is just speculation that obviously the president often kind of kwufz fox news for reality, and he clearly liked Joseph Digenova talking on tv about how there was this vast fbi conspiracy cooked up by Hillary Clinton to frame trump. And thats all the russia investigation is. I think its at least possible that in talking about to zbooej his wife he realized that its one thing for them to say that on fox news, theres actually no evidence for that whatsoever to make a legal case that thats whats happening here. Danny, if this was known ahead of time but they sat down next to each other, digenova and President Trump, and realize we may not get along, get along when im watching you on tv, whats the choice by digenova and tensing. Can they say we dont want to participate in the mueller investigation, we will therefore say we have these conflicts that we dont want people to be looking into those potential conflicts . Before the lawyers can even make a decision as to whether or not they want to represent, they have to consider the conflicts first. And the rulz of ethics can be divided into two categories, that will should not and thousand shalt not. Thou shalt not represents clients with differing interests. If they are aware of them, if they consent, and so long as they do not directly conflict with each other, they can represent. Once thats decided, a lawyer is free not to accept representation. Theres no requirement that we accept every client who comes in the door, especially with a client like trump. You have to consider Going Forward what will be involved in representing him and how that may affect your practice. Is this the should not category then . It becomes an issue of personal discretion. Youre free to dismiss or decline representation to anybody that walks through the door. And that happens a lot. Sometimes you talk to a client, hey, this sounds like a good case, and then you start vetting it a little bit and you have doubt starting. The president this morning, michelle, tweeting out that i can get any lawyer i want here, but hes lying. Is this more of tensing as well as digenova saying i really dont want to be part of it . I dont think thats necessarily the case, but they are not topshelf people. They are pundits, theyre not the people you get if you really want a topshelf white shoe legal representation in a potential impeachment hearing. Those are the people who want nothing to do with trump. The president of the United States, respected lawyers dont want anything to do with him because of how he tarnishes the representation of everyone. Theres also conflict of interest. In fairness, when it comes to large law firms, they have major problems because they have so many cooperator clients that its easy to anticipate that trump in his pyre life as a business tycoon might have adversity. For major law firms, absolutely, the major whole life known white shoe law firms, that would be difficult because theres so many major cooperate lightens. On the other hand, smaller outfits, firms that exist around a personality, one excellent litigator might have less of a problem with the conflict. That is a great leadin for the next topic, which is tonight and Stormy Daniels taking center stage for her long anticipated interview on 60 minutes. The big question is what new information will she reveal about her alleged 2006 affair with President Trump a relationship that the commander in chief has long denied. The adult entertainer who allegedly received a 130,000 payment telling the Washington Post that working in the porn industry has helped to prepare her for public scrutiny. Earlier today daniels attorney Avenatti Avenatti tweeting not all of our evidence will be mentioned splayed tonight. Tonight is not the end, it is the beginning. So dan, you were talking about the cult of personality. I am alluding to representation of Stormy Daniels and he has come out very strong, putting out that tweet just within the last 48 hours of that dvd, according to what hes calling it, in the say what might he have here . Theres all kinds of speculation, rampant speculation as to whats in that cd. It could be dvd. Im sorry, dvd, whatever it is. There could be images. I say that because that implies potentially video versus a cd. He was speaking with chris matthews, they went back and forth and he called it a dvd. Thats right. Thats significant because it implies there could be video. All these things are digital evidence. The digital evidence we leave, every single day whenever we send a message to somebody that isnt automatically deleted, its still preserved somewhere out there. Im going to play a little bit of avenatti alluding to the dvd. Lets take a listen. That dvd contains evidence of this relationship. I sent the tweet as a warning shot to Michael Cohen and any other supporter of the president , to the president himself, to the extent that they plan on disparaging my client, lying about what happened or spinning facts that have no basis in reality. So michelle, this president does often love to engage in a bout. In this particular situation, as you have been stating throughout your time here on msnbc over the weeks and days, is that hes not responded to the Stormy Daniels accusations and lawsuit. Thats right. Im sure Michael Avenatti is disappointed that he doesnt come out and deny it because hes all but told us they have a pretty solid rejoinder, if he says this didnt happen. I think the question of the affair is not the interesting question tonight. I dont think that anybody doubts that this affair happened, that this is the president s moral character. Theres Nothing Shocking unfortunately about this president having an affair with a porn star. Simultaneously having an affair with a playboy model while his other wife has a small baby at home. Putting all that aside. Thats baked into who the president is. The potentially scandalous thing is the coverup in this bullying tactics by people around trump to shut up these women and possible violations of Campaign Finance with this payoff. Those are the concerned. Its not so much the morality implications, although i think those could have a major affect on his base. But legally. Legally speaking this could be evidence of a number of different things. Entering a contract to benefit a Campaign Raises finance implications. If there was extortion of any kind, threats to enter into a contract are potentially criminal. Talk about ante and what he probably has and what his representations means to what Stormy Daniels might be able to get out of this case. This is an individual who has gotten stories onto 60 minutes before but its the first time hes been so forward in front on the case itself. Hes handled cases that involved 200 million. Who is this lawyer . His representation precedes him. Goes without saying, hes an excellent litigate tore. Its a very tricky thing when you represent a client whos a highprofile client in dealing with the media. 20 years ago the rule was dont ever talk to the media ever if youre a lawyer on behalf of your client. But in the modern era with twitter and a president who uses twitter, you have to get in front of the media sometimes. Hes navigated it excellently. Its rare for lawyers that all the facts line up on your side. When the law is on our side, we pound the law. When we dont have either, we pound the podium. In this case he appears so confident. And hes not going to reveal anything tonight. He should not. Its in his interesting to wait. Thats what a true chess chamas does. The interesting thing Going Forward is there are several more steps in litigation. This could end up with the president of the United States being deposited about his sex life. Thats really the end game less than this interview were going to see tonight. Great stuff. Michelle goldberg and Danny Cevallos. 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Trump spending over 100 days of his presidency at his own golf properties, maralago being one. Despite the president s silence, the resounding call for gun control was this. I represent the africanamerican women who were victims of gun violence, who are simply statistics steph vibrant beautiful girls. For far too long, these black girls and women have been just numbers. Im here to say never again for those girls too. [ cheers ] we are going to make this the voting issue. To those politicians supported by the nra that allow the continued slaughter of our children and our future, i say, get your resumes ready. Your thoughts and prayers dont shield the bullets youre enabling the purchase of with your greed and manipulation. Those of us who are legal and responsible american citizen gun owners, its time to join hands, its time to get in the arena. Its time to step up to the line and help heal our country. No one could believe there were bodies in that building waiting to be identified for over a day. Six minutes and 20 seconds with an ar15, and my friend, carmen, would never complain to me about piano practice. Erin would never call. Alex shafter would never walk into school with his brother, ryan. Get up there and vote. Cherries [ cheers ] joining us now is the father of alaina petty who was just 14 years old when she was gunned down in parkland, one of the 17. You have been an amazing voice of maintaining a positive note amongst great difficulty after parkland. As you you were watching and listened to some of what was said yesterday in the march for our lives movement that was happening all around the world, did you hear your daughters voice . Not exactly. I mean, i heard the call for an end to School Violence, and that resonates with me and that would resonate with my daughter also. As youve been speaking and offering solutions, where do you stand right now in terms of what you think might be the next step. As we know in florida there were some changes in laws regarding guns, one, increasing the age to 21 before you can buy and a threeday waiting period. Yeah, we did some things in florida that hadnt been done in 22 years. New firearms regulations. We did it, though, by building on Common Ground. What i heard in the segment immediately preceding was a lot of hyperpartisan that is not helpful. We all agree we want our children and teachers to be safe in school, so the question is how do we achieve that . Im not sure impugning the motives of the other side is the way. We passed three substantive School Safety and gun violence new laws in the past five weeks. I think weve gotten more done in five weeks than the last 15 years, but we did it by building on common beliefs and Common Ground. You said you didnt quite hear your daughters voice. Were you supportive of what happened yesterday . I loved the passion, i loved the attention thats being drawn to the issue. And so i commend all those that participated for coming together to try to find ways to get this to stop. What i think we need to do, though, is figure out what are the four, five, six, ten things we agree on, get those things done, and then we can have the debate about the more controversial aspects later. Some said it was politically motivated about the funds . The march . Thats right. I saw some politically partisan signs and issues. I dont know whether the march organizers were politically motivated. I dont know much about the march, to be honest. I spoke to the organizers, i choose not to partic

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