Transcripts For MSNBCW MSNBC Live With Craig Melvin 20180516

Transcripts For MSNBCW MSNBC Live With Craig Melvin 20180516

Sure no parents have to deal with the grief they experience every day. Well get to those stories in a moment, but we start with the latest from those highly anticipated documents on the june 2016 trump tower meeting between Trump Campaign officials and russia. A story still unfolding at this moment. Transcripts released by Senate Intelligence Committee Chuck grassley giving a bit of a window into the testimonies of those involved in that meeting, including donald trump jr. And the president s soninlaw jared kushner. Nbc News National security reporter ken delanian, literally poring over the documents in the last few hours. What have you been able to glean from them . Reporter craig, one thing were learning, the exfetent t which the Trump Campaign believed the russians had seriously incriminating information about hillary clinton. The loobyist from russia at the meeting, donald trump opened the meeting saying, i believe you have information for us, and later in the meeting, trump junior asked, what have you got on hillary . Its clear he took the meeting he would receive gamechanging, incriminating information about his fathers opponent. End of the day, everyone who testified agreed no such information was provided. The stuff the russians had was not very great as far as the Trump Campaign was concerned and quickly lost interest. Testimony donald trump jr. Was disappointed. More important, trump jr. Said he never discussed the setting up of this meeting or the aftermath with his father and believes his father only found out about it from the news media. Hard to believe, but thats what he testified. And according, again, to members of the house intel committee, could not conclude definitively the russians were trying to tip the balance for donald trump. What, if anything, do we know about that characterization based on the report that senator grassley put out . Reporter actually, no. A different thing is happening today, craig. The Senate Intelligence committee had a closed hearing on the very topic youre talking about. Looking at the Intelligence Community assessment of russia interference and came out publicly saying we disagree with the House Committee republican finding and absolutely see evidence the russians were trying to help donald trump. Not just hurt hillary clinton, sow chaos but help donald trump get elected. We see that in the documents were reviewing. The finding in the Senate Intelligence committee meeting. No word from the white house. Thank you very much. Focused on the total diplomatic 180 by kim jongun. North korea threatened to cancel the upcoming historic summit with President Trump. Heres why. Pyongyang is taking issue with those routine long planned and well publicized military exercises between south korea and the United States and issue with the trump administrations Central Command north korea completely denuclearized. President trump was asked about the situation a few moments ago. We havent seen anything. We havent heard anything. We will see what happens. Will you stop the whatever nbcs White House Correspondent Kelly Odonnell joins me now. Kelly o. What do we know at this point this afternoon about negotiations that are going on to try to save the summit . Reporter well, good afternoon, craig. The president buying some time with those comments where he suggests he doesnt have an update yet. We know from our sources that the president s been in touch with his secretary of state and his National Security adviser trying to as what has happened with kim jonguns government about this issue after things had appeared to be on a fairly good glide path. The president had referred to kim jongun as honorable at one point, referred to the release of the three american detainees who were held improperly by north korea as a gracious step and now we have this potential impasse. The rocket man perhaps trying to torpedo the summit. Sarah sanders was asked about this this morning here on the driveway of the north lawn and was saying this was not a surprise to the Administration Given the history of north korea being not always a, a stable and predictable partner in dealing with past administrations. Heres sanders. This is something that we fully expected. The president is very used to and ready for tough negotiations, and if they want to meet well be ready. And if they dont, thats okay, too, and well continue with the campaign of maximum pressure. Thats the case. Like i just said. If they want to meet the president will certainly be ready and we will be prepared, but if not, thats okay. Reporter and the president s National Security adviser john bolton talked about looking at the libya model as a way to approach the talks with north korea. A full abandonment of the nuclear program. Part of the problem with that is Moammar Gadhafi was later killed by his own people. By denuclearizing he put himself in a more vulnerable position and that appears to be on the minds of the north korea government. Same time, hope this could go forward and viewed as a bump in the road that might be perhaps a tactic for negotiating after north korea had done a few things that were demonstrably in support of the summit. Craig . Kelly odonnell, 1600 pennsylvania, kelly o. , thank you. Christopher hill, former ambassador south korea, also msnbc diplomacy expert. Peter baker, New York Times chief White House Correspondent. Also an msnbc political analyst. Ambassador hill, start with you. You said something to the New York Times that caught my attention. Caught the attention of a number of folks as well. Quoted in the times, this is a possible serious threat. What makes you think so . Well, first of all, there was the comment the north korean made a couple of weeks ago and then just yesterday two other comments, which suggest that theyre not quite prepared to strip to their underwear and have the u. S. Do nothing in response. So i think what happened was, the secretary of state went to pyongyang and the North Koreans as they do asked for ankzs eyan and the secretary of state made clear we wont give sanctions relief. The whole mantra from the trump administration. All of those foolish people in the past, played like fiddles because they offered sanctions relief in return for something the North Koreans were doing. So i think the problem is, the North Koreans think that we expect them to do something while we just say things, like hes a very gracious man. And moreover, i think a tendency, especially from the president , to be sort of doing and end zone dance in anticipation of having scored something, but frankly, hes doing an end zone dance on his own 20 yard line, and got a long way to go before anything finally happens. And as for mr. Bolton, who never misses an opportunity to Say Something thats not helpful, said something to the effect, well, the United States will not give any economic april simpsss. Other countries will. That didnt go over well. Overall, created the current atmosphere where the North Koreans are wondering, do we really want to go through with this. What do they want, mr. Ambassador . Simple terms. Purely sanctions relief . Or is there more to this . Oh, i think theres a lot more to this. I think the whole effort at Nuclear Weapons is not about protecting themselves. Its rather about a very kind of aggressive strategy to decouple the u. S. From south korea. And so i think theyre looking for things in the way of reduction not only of exercises but maybe of the presence of u. S. Troops on the korean peninsula. By the way, something the chinese and russians wouldnt mind seeing as well. The North Koreans have been aggressive about this and we have to be extremely tough not to be reducing our profile in south korea or meaningfulness of that alliance. This is going to be a tough negotiation. But it seems to me it behooves the secretary of state to say look North Koreans, heres a piece of paper. What wed like to see out of the meeting. Read this paper tell us what you can think so we can have a joint communique and i see absolutely no signs of trying to get this on paper. The idea, a great president , has so much experience in real estate deals in the new york area, will be able to sort this one out on his own. You heard what the president said just a few moments ago there, when asked about these new developments. A pretty tempered response considering some of the rhetoric weve heard from President Trump with regards to his counterpart in north korea. This is a live look there. President trump at the white house. This is the president of uzbekistan hes chatting with there at the portico at the white house. Peter, is this a calculated shift in tactics perhaps, with President Trump . It shows the president for all of this, you know, history of sendiary tactics has the ability to hold his tongue when he wants. He doesnt want to respond to the provocation with an ale provocation on the other side, although thats often his instinct. In knithis case told by advisor there would be bumps in the road between now and singapore and june 12th and the meeting may or may not happen because thats the way the North Koreans sometimes operate and be careful about being too definitive declaring victory before its happened. Hasnt stopped him always, but clearly hes looking at this and trying to avoid blowing up what he wants to be a big, highprofile meeting that will feed his case to the American Public and the world that he is somebody who gets things done. Gordon chang. This is gordon chang, author of the nuclear showdown. North korea takes on the world. What he said on morning joe. Its significant that kim has a reversal right after zte tweet on sunday where he just wilted under chinese pressure. I think kim jongun saw that and decided, yeah. If xi jinping can push trump around, he could as well and good for politics back in pyongyang. Ambassador hill, does he make a point there . Im not sure about that. I think north korea takes a little more time to formulate these positions. Im not sure it was represented to xi jinping, but theres an overall view somehow our president wants this meeting more than the North Koreans do, and in a broader sense may be playing on that. And former secretary of state rex tillerson. Just got this in. Their commencement, and made pointed remarks that some are suggesting is is controlling President Trump. Take a listen. The central tenant of a free society, a free people, is access to the truth. It our leaders seek to conceal the truth or we as people become obsessive of alternative realities no longer grounded in facts, then we as american citizens are on a pathway to relinquishing our freedom. Peter what is the secretary of state talking about . Well, thats a great question, and i havent heard the whole speech. Maybe theres context i dont personally know about. Hard to listen to what you just played and not think of it in terms of the current president. What else would he be referring to . Why else would he be making comments to these graduating seniors if not to make commentary about the current state of american politics . He was there obviously for 14 months. Difficult months for him. He did not thrive in President Trumps environment. He did not come out of it way great deal of respect, we think, for President Trump. Remember, it was your this network that reported that he called the president a moron in a prirchd meeting. I dont think that view changed. By the time he was fired over twitter. So you know, hes trying to send, sounds like, a pretty clear message that theres something wrong, in his view, in the administration from which he was dismissed t. Should be noted the former secretary of state never denied calling the president a moron. Mr. Ambassador, if you were a betting man, i assume you probably are not. Do you think the summit actually happens in singapore . Id say less than 50 . We have to see whether this is a north Korean Campaign or an effort to simply get the president to stop claiming victory. So well have to see, but i think its i would not bet the mortgage on this one. Skeptical former ambassador there. Thank you sir. Always good to have you both. Also major developing news in the larry nassar sexual abuse case to tell you about now. Nassar, of course, former Michigan State University Professor and doctor who sexually abused hundreds of young girls and women. Msu, Michigan State, agreed to pay a total of 500 million to settle lawsuits for more than 330 survivors. 425 million of those dollars paid to current claimants. The remaining 75 million will be set aside in a trust to protect any future women who allege sexual abuse against nassar. The settlement, it should be noted only applies to msu in this litigation. It does not address claims against usa gymnastics. Nassar sentenced to more than 100 years in prison. Facebook saying he deleted nearly 1 billion posts. Billion, with a b. A half billion accounts in its, its sweep of the site to protect users. Is that even enough . Also, teachers in North Carolina skipping school. Laying out what they are demanding from the state as they rally in raleigh. And trump voters. With an interesting message for the president. Do not fire special counsel Robert Mueller. I think people would be suspicious, too, if he did. Hes hiding something and will raise suspicion. At fidelity, our online u. S. Equity trades are just 4. 95. So no matter what you trade, or where you trade, youll only pay 4. 95. Fidelity. Open an account today. Since the beginning of special counsel Robert Muellers russia investigation. President trumps new lawyer Rudy Giuliani plans to use the benchmark date to push for an end to the probe. A focus group in milwaukee, wisconsin last night. 12 voters, some Trump Supporters some not, gave their take on what would happen if the president fired bob mueller. A businessman, move on. He has something to hide. I think it would draw suspicion. I think hed have something to hide, too. The tipping point. I think in a situation that i think people would be suspicious, too, if he did. I would like to see mueller fired. I think he has something to hide. Then hes hiding something. Bring in White House Bureau chief for the Washington Post, nbc news political analyst Philip Rucker just published a piece on this. Fascinating to watch the piece. For me, like a conversation that happens at a lot of my family gatherings. Lots of different viewpoints with regards to the president. What was your big takeaway about what voters in wisconsin, a swing state what they would think if this president decided to do what he has suggested he might in the past. Fire Robert Mueller . Interesting. Craig, not a lot of agreement in the room about President Trump, about a number of topics. They were really divided along partisan lines. One area the voters were pretty united with consensus was that President Trump should not fire Robert Mueller. There was an agreement around the table doing so would draw suspicion, look like the president had something to hide, and that it would be a real mistake for him to take that step. That doesnt mean that they all agree with the investigation going on sort of add nauseam. Some Trump Supporters around the table actually thought the investigation should come to a close pretty soon but do not believe trump should exercise what he says is his president ial power to fire the special counsel. You were there, there in wisconsin. I was. Did you get the sense from these folks they thought this was a witchhunt or the sense they thought this was a legitimate investigation . Most of them thought it was a legitimate investigation. A few sort of hardcore loyal Trump Supporters who used similar language of the president , calling it a witchhunt. Describal mueller, pollster, peter hart, leading the focus group, asked everyone to give a word to describe Robert Mueller. A few Trump Supporters says a liar, partisan. Talked about how he cant be trusted, but for the most part a sense this was a worthy investigation looking into russian collusion anden interference in the 2016 election and it was up to the special counsel to find the facts and follow where the facts lead him. In your piece you write the opinions voiced here tuesday night about trumps governing record and conduct in office as well as the intensifying Mueller Investigation largely split along part

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