Transcripts For MSNBCW MSNBC Live With Craig Melvin 20180319

Transcripts For MSNBCW MSNBC Live With Craig Melvin 20180319

President left for a speech scheduled for next hour, in New Hampshire. The subject opioids. We will have more on that later. Over the weekend and early today, a much more pug nacious president. He fired off eight tweets. In them, he attacked the Mueller Probe and for the very first time, he mentioned the special counsel by name. He also trashed two former cop fbi officials. One of woman Andrew Mccabe was fired late friday night. The most provocative were those on his team, suggesting the president may no longer be working with handoff playbook when it comes to bob mueller. We have Halle Jackson and gary haig and Pete Williams our justice correspondent. Lots to break down this hour. Halle, lets begin with you. Is this going to be a few strategy by the president . Is this trump blowing off steam . What more can you tell us about why we saw this exclamation from the president . Reporter yeah, its a new strategy. Not one we seen previously. The president in the last 45 minutes or so he was walking out to marine one to head to New Hampshire did not respond to any questions about Robert Mueller, kept on walking along with first lady melania trump. If he had wanted to blow off steam, one would have walked u reporters. We have seen repeatedly from him over the last 24, 48 hours, including one in which he again described what was happening in the russia investigation as a witch hunt and he continues to rail against not just the investigation, but also Robert Mueller, himself, he calls this a witch hunt with massive conflicts of interest. This is a raised question about what the president is doing here. You have outside observers who seems the president is working to preemptively discred at this time Mueller Investigation before its findings were actually revealed. Essentially sewing feeds here, feed peoples minds with the idea the Mueller Probe fought having authenticity or legitimacy in the findings coming out. That is raising concerns he is preparing steps to ultimately ends the Mueller Investigation by firing Robert Mueller the president , himself, cant do that he cant point to Robert Hueler and say you are fired. His lawyer inside the white house is taking a little bit of a different tact than his lawyer outside the white house. Ty cobb says the president basically has no intention of firing Robert Mueller. This has been sort of the inside legal counsels lean all along, they are working to cooperate with the investigation, they are working to finish this as quickly as possible. You see the statement from cobb there. The president is not considering or discussing the firing of mr. Mueller. That said, i think that a lot of folks are waiting to see what else the president will tweet. He will be talking about opioids in New Hampshire, likely not a venue for him to rail against the special count sell as you might see in different setting. When he returns to washington tomorrow morning, he will be watching that twitter feeding. You would have expected at least some strong reaction from members of both parties, really, across the aisle. But the Republican Leadership has been somewhat muted about this. Why havent they said whose actually said what . Well, its tough to pars why they are waiting to the end. We heard from speaker ryans Office Spokesperson who said mueller should allow to continue in his work. Nothing so far from majority leader Mitch Mcconnells office, its possible Republican Leaders charitably dont think this is that much of a different situation, theyre not as concerned with the possibility that mueller should be fired. Although the idea of discrediting him bears some weight. You dont hear republicans of any stripe really weigh in on the work that mueller has being done. Only that he should continue to be able to do it. We heard some from republicans pressed about it on the sunday sews over the weekend. Take a listen. Give him the time the resources, the independents to do his job. When you are innocent, if the allegations exclusion with the russians, there is no evidence of that, you are innocent of that act like it. It is not a collusion probe, it is much broader than that. Obviously, once you open that up an start looking, can you go in one direction or the other, you go in the direction where the evidence takes you. I would hope enough prevails on the president right now him dont go there. We have confidence in mueller, i certainly do. I think my colleagues do as well. Its worth pointing out two of the three gentleman in that clip are retiring at the end of their current terms. You dont see a lot of republicans who are interested in staying in their jobs, wanting to members it up with the president on this topic. Although, we will surely ask as both sides of congress return later this afternoon. Its hard to say who is walking away at the end of this year. I want to talk to you about Andrew Mccabes firing, it was according to Jeff Sessions on the internal memo or report from the Inspector General. We havent seen that yet. Do you think it would actually give us more clarity of the merits of mccabes ouster, if and when it does become public . Undoubtedly, it will be a part of the whole Inspector General report. You may remember a year ago, the justice Inspector General said he would look at the way they handled the entire clinton matter, the announcement by james comey, the letters. The revelation of the emails on a Anthony Weiner computer. The expectation that report will come out later this month or early next month it will be i think in essence a race to see which comes first the ig report or james comeys book. Pete, i know one of the things that drew attention over the weekend with President Trumps tweet in which he suggests there is now proof that james comey, fbi director, lied under oath to republican senator charles grassley, what is he talking about with that tweet, do you know this. Hes talking about an exchange that mueller had or comey had before comey was fired. Grassley was concerned about leaks, he asked comey if he had been the source of leaks. Then he asked if he had authorized leaks. Both times, comey said no, what the president is talking about is the fact in his statement over the week, Andrew Mccabe said, remember, the allegation here was mccabe improperly authorized fbi people to talk to a reporter about the Clinton Foundation investigation. Mccabe said he had authority to do it. He had the legal counsels support and the director of the fbi was aware of it. So the president is saying that when comey testified to grassley that he was lying, the president mischaracterized what comey said. The question really wasnt are you aware of anyone . The question was, did you authorize it . But it does set up an interesting question. It certainly does. We will see if we get more clarity when claims comeys cook comes out later in april. Pete, garrett, thank you very much for joining us. Trumps treat storm, heavy on accusation, he says the House Intel Committee concluded there was no collusion. Thats actually correct. Republicans say they never found evidence. Democrats say republicans didnt do enough to find it. Trump said the probe never should have started. Well, when you fired the fbi director, he forced the hand in all that u all this. Trump tweeted out. There was no crime. Five individuals pleaded guilty. 19 indicted for criminal activity. He says the fake dossier started the campaign probe, again thats absolutely false, it was Foreign Policy aid George Papadopoulos russia had dirt on Hillary Clinton that twigerred all of this. He said the steele dossier led to my campaign and that is also. He calls the probe a witch hunt. Well, its one that produced guilty pleas from three top Trump Campaign aids, including mike flynn, rick gates and george pap bop lus. For more i am joined by bobby saccone, an fbi special agent and gentleman, its great to have both of you with us. Robert, lets begin if we can with President Trump. He doesnt have the power to fire mueller as pointed out earlier in the program. It seems what he is doing now at least on twitter is trying to publicly discredit him. Is that the strategy hes going after here . Its hard to know what the specific strategy, i think what he is doing again is create public pressure to wrap up the investigation and to undermine any findings the investigation eventually has him thats straight out of the playbook, ask then counsel we have seen has been attacked by the people they are investigating. I think trump is doing that probably to a greater level, more directly, not having his surrogates do it. Which has traditionally been done, this is typical behavior that has been investigated. He has wanted to point a finger at the investigator, which again has been common in all the independent counsels ive seen. When you look at where the week began with bob mueller subpoenaing the Trump Organization document and then at the end of the week, you got President Trump going after bob mueller for the first time in an aggressive way. Do you see a connection over this escalatelation over the past week . Its hard for me to speculate. I suspect the subpoena was there before reported. I would be surprised if the Trump Organization didnt have documents a while ago. Im not sure thats whats driving it. It is odd she going after mueller personally. Again, its not a surprise, its been consistent with the president s attitude towards these things and again i think he is trying to afternoon up the pressure to wrap this thing up and to, you know, preemptively try to discredit the investigation to the extent it finds he did anything wrong. Fair point. Let me bring you into this investigation. I want to ask you about it. How some are reacting. Some are saying the president is testing the limits of what he could probably get away with in terms of capitol hill republicans not reacting to everything the president is saying. What should the response be from top Republican Leaders, when the president goes down one of these tweet stomps i attacking former fbi officials and going after the Mueller Investigation now by name. I think this weekends reaction was appropriate. I think its reserveed. N they come out and support mueller. They dont get into back and forth blustery exchange with the president. I dont think thats productive at all. I think they went onto the sunday news shows. They voiced support for mueller and the process, to be drawn into this back and Forth Exchange with the president. I dont think it serves the purpose of muellers investigation, mueller is not feeling any pressure. There is no political pressure on him, other than the twitter feed, its the only place this bluster is coming from. There is nobody on the hill saying mueller should be impugned. The more you respond to somebody like trump the more he muddys the waters, the more his responses come back at you. I dont think thats productive. Let me tell you about in terms of the mccabe firing. He kept dim gent notes with the president after those meetings. President trump tweeted about the fact he never saw mccabe taking notes during his meetings with the president. What value are those memos going to have to the bob Mueller Investigation . Well, it depends on the content of the memos. Right. What we know comey did hrks emade contemhe made more contemporaneous notes right after a meeting in the littleo on the way back to fbi headquarters, or whatever they be, the more reliable they will be. The time and place matter. So if he did these memos right after these meetings, even if trump didnt see him, if he went back and immediately wrote a memo summarizing the events and put it into the fbi files, so its time stamped, i think obviously it will depend on the content of what those memos, but the reliability is there. They were made contemporaneously. Let me ask you what emerged. I want to ask you about what the lawfare wrote this weekend. Whats your theory on the way the mccabe situation went down . Well, i think the merits will be important. Well need to see the report and to the extent that someone did have a candor problem. I think thats known i have represented people in ig investigations. Its known if you dont tell the truth, thats a firing offense. In terms of breaking off the timing, i think the problem is, sessions is in a nowin situation. He has a recommendation from the career staff of opr and the ig to terminate mccabe. So his options are either to follow the recommendation and terminate him before mccabes retirement comes up and look like an uncharitable person or it possibly worse is to wait several weeks, have a finding come out the termination was recommended and have it known the termination was recommended and teed up and sat in your inbox and you delayed it to protect a Senior Member of the fbi agent. Or the fbi. That could have consequences for lineups, other people who have my understanding is probably you know 15to20 people have been terminated in the pastier for lack of candor type of issues. I think if you are one of them, youd say this senior guy is getting protected. Its a nowin situation for sessions. He did the best he could and decided to follow the recommendation put to him. There was that situation he didnt do anything and draws the anger of his boss, President Trump at the white house. Great to have both of you with us this hour. Investigators in austin, texas now are saying they are dealing with a serial bomber, asking everyone in that city to stay inside. What kind of clues are they following . A Trump Campaign using facebooks private information to influence voters. We are learning more about who inside trumps team hired this firm. We will hear from the whistle proceeder, how they just did that. 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Version, they have a News Conference there not too long ago. What did we learn from it that has moved this investigation forward . Reporter hey, a lot of things unfolding this afternoon. Lets start with the fbi and we talked with chris combs the special agent in charge, im quoting him, the entire focus of the fbi nationally and internationally right now on the situation here in austin. There are more than 350 fbi agents on the ground here when you include the bureau of alcohol, tobacco and firearms, more than 500 federal agents investigating the situation here, the latest blasts overnight, they say, much more sophisticated than the first three. Those happened on the east side of the city. We are now on the west side of the city. Instead of triggering when someone picked them up at their doorstep or front porch, this time a trip wire was used. A package bomb was left on the side of the road, its becoming much more violent. They are concerned. 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