They have swept the entire building at this point. You heard them say they have people that are deceased inside that building. Many more who were taken to the hospital. Take a listen to a video that is purported to be of that video game tournament when the shooting began. Take a listen to this. A lot of good games going on today. Its going to be hard to get them on stream. Theres a lot. Its not a tough out today. Not an easy out. What did he shoot me with . There are the sound of people running for their lives as that shooting unfolded during that video game tournament. As you heard the sheriff say, there is one suspect who is dead at the scene. He is a white male. They are working to confirm his identity at this point. Many more were taken to the hospital. There are people who are being told to stay away from the area. This is a large crime scene. Those are the words of tsheriff. They are working to process this entire scene. Of course, you heard at least a dozen shots between 14 to 15 shots just in that short video clip before that signal went down. But again, a lot of Unanswered Questions at this point. And no word on a motive. This, as this investigation is going to continue. By the way, they say they will have another briefing in a couple of hours. So we hope to learn more about what unfolded today at the landing in jacksonville. Tell us really quickly if you have any updates on the conditions of those that have been treated. Where have they been taken to . More importantly, are we expecting them to survive . Right now were getting very limited information. These victims were taken to a number of different hospitals in jacksonville. Its a matter of piecing together where everybody went. One hospital that we have heard from is jacksonville memorial hospital. They say they admitted three people and that right now they are in stable condition. So thats from one hospital in the jacksonville area. But again, our local affiliate, our local nbc affiliate in jacksonville is reporting that four people were killed and that 11 people were injured. Where the rest of them went, at this point were trying to piece that together and figure out what their conditions are. All right. Thank you for that. Joining me now is retired atf special agent in charge and msnbc contributor. Good to have you with us. You and i speak frequently when it is these types of tragedies. Lets try to begin to piece together where this investigation goes from here. We have a few key pieces of evidence. If you want to call it that. We have that video recording. Im sure at a venue as public and as frequented as jackson landing, Jacksonville Landing, youre going to get some kind of surveillance and some kind of video down there as well. But walk us through where this investigation begins, what are the priorities . Well, it starts right at the epicenter right there at the shooters body. Thats the first place. You know, theyre going to try to get an identification off him, drivers license or an id. And theyre going try to work that out. Theyre going to try to get any video from witnesses and theyre going toinlt vi interview the witnesses. There are a number of eyewitnesses that watch the shooting unfold. Then theyre going to examine the scene inside of the bar, restaurant, you know, to get the bullet fragments, shell casings that might have been expended. Theyll have the gun. The shooter is deceased. Theyre going to trace the gun and try to find where he got it. Did he kill himself . Thats the question. We havent heard a report that another patron or owner shot him. We dont know if an officer got there quick enough to shoot him. So its possible. Its possible he committed suicide. Its possible he went in there to kill and kill himself. So that is a possibility. So were going to see an all night forensic process at that scene. Were going to see detectives or agents somewhere in america going to his home to get his computer and cell phones. Were going to see him go into the car which is probably parked near the landing or somehow he got there if he took an uber or cab, bus, they have to determine that. You know, oftentimes these killers if its somewhat spontaneous, they will go out to their car to retrieve the firearm and come back and shoot. I know its difficult to ascertain a motive. Well be getting more insight into a possible motive. But it youre trying to put the evidence in a column between that which is spontaneous and impulsive versus that which is planned, what are you looking for in terms of what suggest thats something might have been impulsive and spontaneous . What are you looking for if youre looking at something that has been planned perhaps days and weeks in the making . Well, youre looking at the target, number one. Who is being shot and killed . That tells you something about whats going on. Second, youre looking at the shooter himself. How did they come and how prepared were they . If we have a shooting like at the pulse nightclub, they come with ar15, he planned it, hes coming in there and wants mass casualties. That is unfortunately achievable. But it a person comes with a handgun, you know, maybe thats all they got because it wasnt as planned as well. It doesnt mean so. I dont want to say its absolutely so. With a handgun, you can kill a lot of people. The shooter at Virginia Tech used handguns and killed 32 people. Handguns can be deadly in a planned event. But if its more spontaneous, you may not get the death count. But the heartbreak of the families here, its just awful. Its so vulgar. People are there for basically a sporting event, a social event and theyre just gunned down. I would just say this, the last thought is listening to the video, it did seem to me like he was point shooting. In other words, wasnt just pulling the trigger into a crowd. He was pointing the gun and shooting and probably first four or five shots are unsuspecting victims who dont even know whats going on. He just starts. And then there is running and shooting becomes a little more, you know, space and he is aiming. And, you know, kind of transpiers litra transpires like. That it doesnt seem that some extremely well planned event rather, you know, this could be somebody done him wrong. He got humiliated. He could have been thrown out. He could be seek something sort of revenge on those who didnt do what he wanted them to do, greed plays a part. There is a lot of money involved in these things. There is some motives and some mixed motives that come to the top. Jim, im going to ask you to stick around for a little bit. We did just get some new sound. This is from an nbc affiliate on the scene who did an interview out with a local councilman in jacksonville. Lets watch this and well talk afterwards. He joins me now live. And councilman, i know you went in and you talked to some folks who were inside chicago pizza. What did they tell you happened . Well, unfortunately, they came here to the game last night. They are from savannah, georgia. A married couple with three little kids. The young man told me that they were eating pizza and they heard a lot of discussion on one guy got upset. He looked around the corner. He realized the game just got started. So he didnt pay no attention to what may have happened. And sow went back and sat down and he said less than 30 seconds he just heard bam, bam, bam, bam. He heard the shots. So him and his wife and the kids started running out the other door. His wife unfortunately, she dropped her pocketbook and keys. And so theyve been stuck around there for about 2 1 2 hours. I was trying to help them get their belongings so they can go back to georgia. So theyre a little frustrated. The other thing i learned since the last time you and i talked about reliable source, i dont know if im supposed to share this, the shooter himself took his own life. He killed three and took his own life. We dont know if hes from jacksonville yet. You heard the sheriff say hes a white male. But those are things that i learned so far. I also was told by this other family that it was others from georgia, they all here. They came to enjoy the game. And this is what they ran into. So councilman, we have not had the Sheriffs Department confirm that the shooter did take his own life. Police tell us that there is no shooter at large right now. But police told you that its going to be several more hours before anyone can get back into the landing. Is that right . Thats what they told me. Told me and the family who i was trying to help touchback with them in about three hours. That was about an hour and a half ago. So its going to be a while, yes. Well be here for a while. Councilman, thank you for your time. Im going to go check out and see what so you were listening to an nbc affiliate there on the scene interviewing councilman jacksonville reggie gafney. This has not been yet independently confirmed, certainly not confirmed by nbc news. It was also not reported by the Law Enforcement officials who briefed the reporters there on the scene shortly after the shooting happened. But according to the councilman, he was attributing it to a reliable source with the caveat that he was not yet sure fit should be reported or not saying that he believes the gunman took his own life. We do know that the shooter was identified as a white male. The name, age, any more information about the identity of the shooter remains at this time unknown to us at least in the media. Certainly possibly to the Law Enforcement as they continue this search. Interesting piece of information there as well, jim. He talked or at least according to this family he spoke to describing an argument that may have happened or may have preceded the shooting which came quickly afterwards, the shooting came quickly afterwards that argument was heard by this family that was out of state from savannah, georgia, eating at a local pizza shop nearby. It could be just enough time for someone to go to their vehicle and get a gun. Someone could be carrying a gun. They could go just go to their vehicle gaent a gun and come back. So shortly thereafter. And depends on impulse like that and if a person did kill himself or suicidal, you know, there is some humiliation involved. You know, they could have lost money at the tournament. They could have been, you know, kicked out of the tournament. They could have been not let in the tournament. There could be some other thing going on, some other dispute that didnt even involve the tournament between some people in there and he decided to shoot everybody. And maybe, maybe to kill himself. I mean it does happen in a number of these things that suicide follows. So if it goes on what facts we know, not all of those facts are confirmed, some are, some arent, but we do see maybe an event that hasnt been extremely deeply planned but nevertheless can be a i have tragic and horrific event. When a handgun is shot into a crowd of just, you know, a restaurant patrons. Yeah. And it seems to be at these events, these e supportisporti and its early to draw a connection between the shooter and the event itself. Maybe well find out if he was a participant. But to participate in an event like this, theres a lot of evidence, a lot of pieces of intelligence if you want to call it that that Law Enforcement will be able to use in compositing the profile of this shooter, right . Yeah. Youre exactly right. This is not going to be a mystery. The detectives are really probably have a lot of information that were not privy to at the moment. Its not going to be a mystery. The motive wont be a mystery. It will come clear in the next 48, 72 hoiurs. Its not going to be any relief to anybody of what when that occurs and when we find that out. Well go back to, you know, people who in their lives cant take any setbacks. Any setback they reach for the gun. On day when were celebrating the life of an American Hero who could take any setback and go on, john mccain, he could take any setback and keep going forward. But we have too many people, too many small people who get fired from a job or get in a fight in a bar, get lose some money, do one thing that happens in everybodys life and then they reach for the gun and kill everyone. So as a society, we really got to change that thought process when people are young, when people are young that, its your life. Youre going to get knocked down. You need to get back up. And that doesnt mean revenge on everybody. 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So you just pay for data by the gig or unlimited. Saving you hundreds of dollars a year. Plus, get 300 back when you buy a new smartphone. Xfinity mobile. Its simple. Easy. Awesome. Click, call or visit a store today. Welcome back now. The death of senator john mccain as tributes continue to pour in today. While he never made it to the presidency in the senate, he was the leader that would see a hot spot in the world and said we need to go there and stand up for that democracy. He really understood the marrow of his bones what it meant to be an american. And how important it was for us to, yes, to disagree and differ. But at the end of the day, to come together, to work together, to trust each other, to get things done. Im going to miss him. Yeah. I have admired him, like i said, my entire life. And its tough to imagine a Senate Without him. Its tough to imagine politics without john mccain. So the nation preparing to hohn yort life a honor of the life and man who blazed the political trail. He died saturday after a battle with brain cancer. Joining me now nbcs mike vicara, former mccain adviser and National Political reporter jonathan allen. Mike, lets go to you. On capitol hill, excuse me, get an update on what the plans are to honor him there. I know that weve been updated within the last hour or so with some more specifics as to what we can expect. Well, thats right. The bottom line is that we know we did know that john mishg ca mccain was going to be honored this rare honor to lie in state of the capitol, a tradition that goes back to the mid 19th century. The second person to be afforded such an honor is abraham lincoln. John mccain, his casket will rest on the same support, a c catafulk, john mccain is only the 32nd person in American History to be afforded this honor. Youre right, we now have the details. The tick to beitock about how going to happen and when. The senator would have been his 82nd birthday on tuesday 29th. He will lie in state at the phoenix State Capitol there. The governor announcing that. And then wednesday the 30th, a service, the North Phoenix Baptist Church attended by the mccain family. After that, its complete, the ceremonies in arizona, senator mccain and his family will make their way aboard a military transport and land at andrews familiar to Many Americans as Andrews Air Force base. Not far from the capitol here in washington. And then a procession to come to the capitol and the rotunda where his remains will rest. A public viewing will be afforded. It will last roughly 24 hours. And then on friday im sorry, on thursday he arrives here, on friday he liesinstate. And then on saturday at the magnificent national cathedral, just across town, there will be a full memorial service, a dress service as they call it, for john mccain. It will be attended by president obama, president george w. Bush who will have speaking parts as we understand as will Vice President pence and a host of dignitaries, statesmen, colleagues from around the world. We just heard a sampling a moment ago of all of the comments and the praise coming in for this Great American statesman. Yeah. Indeed it is going to be quite a memorable moment for this nation to watch all those that will be speaking in the coming days about the legacy of this great American Hero. I know that you are former Campaign Adviser to senator mccain. Its great to you have with us to offer perspective and insight on the senators legacy. I want to separate his domestic policies from the Foreign Policy. Well get into the Foreign Policy, certainly not without controversy on the key decisions he made. But lets talk about from your perspective what the senators legacy is going to look like domestically. I think domestically, Campaign Finance reform is always going to be associated with mccainfeingold and the efforts to change our Campaign Laws which i think have been quite successful. The gift ban, for example, things