Transcripts For MSNBCW MSNBC Live With Ayman Mohyeldin 20180

MSNBCW MSNBC Live With Ayman Mohyeldin June 17, 2018

American delegations are calling for a quick end to the zero tolerance immigration crackdown. Its fathers day, damnit and you have a right to talk to your children and how dare you go not bible when youre trying to save your own rear end. The Trump Administration has announced a zero tolerance policy that has zero morality, zero decency, zero integrity, and we will not rest until we shut that policy down. This administration is behaving like a bunch of thugs and gangsters in trying in saying were going to do terrible things, and its everybodys elses fault unless you enable us to do other things. More now from mccallun, texas at Catholic Charities where a busload of migrants just arrived. What have you opinion seeing . Reporter we saw about 40 people arrive in the most recent busload to this respite center. I want to clarify that this is a shelter where people are coming from defence centers. They are dropped off at the Greyhound Bus station from here and thats where volunteers, a nun by the name of Norma Pimental who you see behind me pick the people up at the bus station and bring them here and this is the first time that many of these people who crossed the border illegally and who have been separated in the case of the male fathers from the kids inside detention, this is the first time that they tell me that they are ae to feel like human beings, to take a bath, to connect with the outside world and tell the relatives that they are okay. What is happening in that table behind me is that these t volunteers are registering these people and contacting their family members in the United States letting them know that they are here and that they are in fact okay and lead them on their way anywhere in the United States to where their final destination is, and i want to talk to some of the recent arrivals here. This is dad jose and son jose and you were in a Detention Center and you were separated in five days. Say it. Yes. How did that make you feel when you were separated . I didnt feel well at all. What did they tell you when they separated you . They didnt say anything to me. I want to point out that this is new policy. This also happened during the Obama Administration. Dads like jose and their boys are separated inside detention because of the way i. C. E. Structures hurt and it gives us a trauma as to the trauma these children are experiencing when they are separated. What was the place like where you were . It was freezing cold. Tell us more. They didnt give me good food. Were you able to see your dad . I could just see my dad in little instances from a distance. Jose, what were you told when they took your son from you . They told me that they would take my son from me for a little bit. Did they tell you that you would be reunited with him . Did they tell you to proceed with your asylum case . They told me that they were going to release him so that i could talk to him. Today is fathers day. How do you feel being together with your son when you know so many fathers out there, migrant fathers, arent able to do so . I feel so happy because im with him. Gracias, jose. Thank you so much for talking with us. Can you just quickly ask the younger josef if he knew that he would be separated from his father when he came across the border, if he had any idea that that was going to happen . A question from our jasmine in the studio. No, i did not know. Would you have crossed had you known that this could happen . Maybe not. Wow. Youre fleeing Gang Violence in honduras, you told me. Yes, they are, so thank you so much, and as you heard, these parents are put in an incredibly difficult situation because its either having their children fall prey to these gangs in Central America or coming here now knowing theres a very real risk of having their children separated from them. And hearing that experience firsthand once again, your heart breaks over and over again, doesnt it . Msnbc thank you so much, mariana. President trump will head to capitol hill on tuesday to discuss immigration with house republicans. Now thats coming as several democratic congressmen toured detention facilities and condemned the president and this immigration policy. This is inhumane. I would like to say its unamerican, but its happening right now in america, and it is on all of us, not just the Trump Administration. This is on all of us, and thats why were marching today to bear witness and shed light on it to make sure everyone in america knows that this is going on. And First Lady Melania Trump getting involved in the debate today. Her spokeswoman releasing a statement saying, quote, mrs. Trump hate to see children separated from their families and hopes both sides of the aisle can finally come together to achieve successful immigration reform. Joining me now to talk more about this the congresswoman from washington is state. I know that you visited a Detention Center that had moms inside of it. Give us your account of what you heard and saw there. Thanks, jasmine. I did visit a Detention Center last saturday, a week ago, and i was able to meet with 174 women. Wow. Who were transferred from the texas border to the federal prison. This is a federal Detention Center, federal bureau of justice Detention Center, not an i. C. E. Detention center. It was contracted with by dhs and Border Patrol in order to hold these individuals because the i. C. E. Detention facilities are full in many places across the country because of trumps enforcement actions. These women were from 16 differ countries. Over 50 of them had been held in detention. Various facilities along the way for over two weeks and about 50 of them had been held for over a month. Probably 40 to 45 of them had children who were separated from them, and every single one of them said that they had not had a chance to say goodbye to their children. Wow. They were deceived, jasmine. They were put in a room andd that the children were going to be taken to get a bath. They were told that they would have to go get a photograph. They came back to the room. Their children were gone, and in some cases the women were actually being held in a room right next door to where their children were, and so they could be they could hear their children screaming for them. Not a single woman had been able to talk to her child since being separated. Remember, i said some of them have been detained for over a month. The children ranged from the age of 1 all the way up to teenagers, and one woman in the Detention Center, she was not a mom, but she was only 19 years old herself. I looked at her and said oh, my how old are you and she said 19. They talked about the conditions that they had been held in, and your reporter sort of referred to this. They called those i. C. E. And Border Patrols facilities where they were held with nicknames like the ice box and dog pound, ice box because they were so frigidly cold. They were not given blankets. They were not given mats. Many of them claimed that they had not even had clean Drinking Water in some cases for up to five days. The dog pound they nicknamed it that because they look like kennels. They are cages where they are putting these women in a facility. Those were the facilities privately contracted forprofit in many cases, facilities that are contracted out by i. C. E. And cvp versus the federal Detention Center which is a governmentowned union and shockingly because its a federal prison, the woman said it was the first time they were treated as human beings. It was heartbreaking. They wept every single time they talked about their children, and i promised them i would make sure that the American People knew exactly what was happening and that i believe with every fiber of my body that democrats, republicans and independents know that this is morally wrong and the Trump Administration put it into place with their zero tolerance policy. They can reverse it today. Congresswoman, you and your colleagues have a debate ahead over immigration. Obviously while we dont want to make this about politics it is very much a human issue. Its going to become about politics because it is headed to the hill. We know that the president wants funding for his border wall. If in fact the democrats do not win this Public Policy debate shall i say, getting the public to pressure the Trump Administration to change this policy with regard to separating mothers, fathers and children, what are you guys going to do . What are the democrats going to do . I think we are trying to win this and thats why the Trump Administration is turning the focus away. They want to turn tir attention to the border wall and they have the temerity to hold children hostage and the lives of children hostage in order for him to get his border wall. I actually believe that they know they are losing this debate. Its why they want to turn it to other things. So when they come to the hill next week, they are going to try to argue for a terrible a set of terrible immigration bills that would actually hurt these kids even more. Even though they are saying is we have a fix for this. What the ryan bill would do is indefinitely detain families and take away some of the due process procedures for unaccompanied children, and the American Academy of pediatrics has already weighed in on those bills and said that they are terrible and ill tell you what. The u. N. Human Rights Association says they are violating the rights of the children. If you dont win this, if the administration sticks to tips guns on this immigrationpolicy, what will the democrats do about it . These kids cannot stay in this o until the midterm elections . I totally agree and ive got to believe that we are going to win this. I believe there will be mass mobilizations. I believe that the American People are outraged and youre right. We dont have control of the house. If we did, we would overturn this today. So the blame has to rest squarely on trump and democrats will do everything, and, you know, i spoke to the Democratic Caucus last week because i was the first and only person to get into a Detention Center and talk to women who were being detarngsd and i sad detained, and i said please go to the detention facilities and youre seeing all of my colleagues starting to go to the facilities. We are increasing the pressure. We cant afford to think about not winning because the lives children are at stake and well doing everything that we can to point out that this is a Trump Administration policy. It can be reversed today. It does not need legislation. We are violating human rights. This is child abuse and we are literally ruining the lives of children and parents across the country because of donald trump and Jeff Sessions and stephen miller. Congresswoman, thank you so much. Appreciate it. Thank you. Want to bring in a msnbc contributor and university of texas professor and betsy woodruff, msnbc contributor and the daily beast politics reporter. Theres another angle to this, betsy, and you recently described how defense contractors are actually cashing in on this zero tolerance policy from the Trump Administration. Talk to me about what you learned on this. Thats right. What we found in going through public job post some things that two companies, general dynamics, which is a huge defense contractor and mvm, well known for its contracting with the intelligence community, both seemed to be pushing aggressive for more people to work with them because of contracts that they have with the office of Refugee Resettlement doing child care work. Some of the job postings are calling for the theme have experience working with Young Children who are able to transport children and play with children. They are asking for people to come and work with them, these defense contractors doing child care work on behalf of the office of ref screw resettlement and the American People. Mvm in one of the job postings expects to get a new contract with the office of Refugee Resettlement. We dont know behind the scenes what kind of conversations are going on or the extent to which the Refugee Resettlement is looking to rely more and more on the contractors and based on whats out in the open and what we found it certainly appears that the office of refugee settlement is the increasing its reliance on some of these major corporations for child care work. Betsy, is there any scenario that you could see the Trump Administration turning this narrative on its head and saying that this is creating jobs . Its about job creation in this country. Its creating businesses and Economic Opportunity . You know, i wouldnt put it past them, but i think its unlikely this they would potentially try to go that far. The reality is that this type of work is incredibly its taxing on the people who do it. You know, there was a former employee of one of these Child Care Centers who was on the program in the last hour who has said to reporters that some of the children he was working with, concerns about children trying to kill themselves in the centers because the situations are just so dire. Wow, unbelievable. Victoria, i pose this question to the congresswoman, and i want to pose it to you as well. Obviously, were seeing a lot of democrats seizing on this issue here. What if the political pressure does not work and the Trump Administration here sticks to this immigration policy . What happens next . Right, jasmine, this is something the representative would not get to but a very sad truth is that a solution may not get until november. If were just playing the odds. The likelihood of an immigration bill getting passed this week is very low. Representative adam schiff said this morning, look, its hard to get immigration passed and especially in an Election Year so lets hope that they stop this policy if they want to but lets assume that they dont stop the policy, were going to be seeing sadly the seam heart benching scenes over and over until we see a change in congress and that likely would not come until november so really, i hate to see it, but can may be kicked down the road until november, another five, six months. Victoria, quickly. I was talking to jeh johnson in the makeup room a come hours ago and said in 2014 when the Obama Administration was detaining Families Together there was a drop nil Legal Immigration and then it shot back up, and he said the exact same thing is going to happen again. They will see a drop in ilLegal Immigration numbers and then will shoot right back up again and instead we need to start address the problems in Central America that these people are facing, the reasons in which they are leaving their country and we need to establish a stronger and better Refugee Program in mexico to soften the blow for the United States so were not taking so many people n. What is the likelihood that this administration would address problems like that . I dont think its sexy to say, you know, lets work hand in hand with the Central American countries and with mexico on stemming the demand because immigration so 1 its supply and demand. If there is a supply of folks, theres push factors of violence, they are going to come here no matter what, but its a lot easier to say lets build a big beautiful wall and crack double on its tough. Thank you both. Coming up, everybody. 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