it seems everyone we are back to square one. let's start at the white house with jeff bennet, good to see you this afternoon. a lot of developments to say the least. talk to me about where we're about right now. >> here is where we are on day 31 of the shut down. the president says it is a common sense compromise. the democrats call it a nonstarter. one could say it is a good thing when there is a deal on the table, but democrats say it is not clear if this is a serious overture because they didn't check with the democrats before the speech. and nancy pelosi says she has not speaking to anyone from the white house since the saturday speech. the president wants that $5.7 billion for a border wall. in exchange he says he will give democrats a three-year extension of the legal status for the young undocumented immigrants and help for those seeking asylum. he saids he wanted less people from what he deemed s-hole countries a year ago from countries like haiti. this is samed to peel off moderate democrats and shifting blame in the american public that so far overwhelmingly showed donald trump responsible for this month long impasse. the reason why he made the speech on saturday is because sources say that mitch mcconnell, the senate republican leader told him and white house officials he needed the president to put forward a public offer. so mcconnell now plans to bring the trump proposal forward this week. the problem is that the trump proposal is drawing criticism even from hard line conservat e conservatives that say it will only encourage more illegal immigration. as a practical matter it appears we're no closer to getting the government reopened, and president trump is no closer to getting the border wall money that he wants. >> jeff bent fnet for us at the white house. thank you for putting that into clarity as much as possible. we want to bring in andrew disdiaro, andrew, we have you there, thank you for joining us today. >> good to see you. >> talk to us about what jeff just walked us through. give us the tactics from the white house point of view as to where we are with this negotiabling with daca. >> i think it breaking up a big immigration battle. immigration has been one of the m most vexing policy debates in the last decade. the president knows that he has to have senate majority leader mitch mcconnell in his corner. they're changing their strategy a little here. the senate majority leader when the shut down started said he would not put anything on the senate floor that did not have the support of the president, speaker pelosi, and chuck schumer. now he will break that promise this week, that commitment he made before, when he puts this plan on the senate floor. he is trying to call speaker pelosi's bluff a little bit and forcing them to consider a plan. they have put individual appropriations bills on the floor before and tried to get mitch mcconnell to reopen them sort of in chunks so some of these 800,000 federal workers get their paychecks. but again both sides are as dug in as they have ever ben. it doesn't seem there will be a clear resolution this week. >> i know you just said you don't see a clear resolution, but any possibility here that we could see the democrats or speaker pelosi conceding any points on this? now the white house wants to put the ball in their court whether or not it is a good faith effort. >> this wall has seen no cracks. even democrats like senator joe manchin have not indicated their even close to considering the president's off because they're position all along has been that we will not negotiate on border security until the government is open. the second the government opens without any extra border security, they will lose almost all of their leverage. they have no incentive to buy into that plan, either. that's why i think there will not be movement any time soon. >> how long will it drag on for. >> at least for a week. the senate will be in session but senator wills not be notified of any votes until 24 hours beforehand. the house will be in session and i think that will continue to try to put pressure on senator mcconnell to bring up individual appropriations bills to allow some federal workers to receive back pay. they have stated it forouple we. >> workers at the environmental production agency are also feeling the effects from this shut down, according to the epa there is thousands of people that work that are staying because it is necessary to protect life and property. about 8% are still on the job. this number could change again. my next guest who works at the agency was required to return to work without pay to help with security matters. with me now is chris gallo who is an environmental scientist for the epa. thank you for talking to me this afternoon. tell me about why it is that you're returning to work when you were asked to return to work. >> i returned last week to do preparations for the super bowl. i'm leaving tomorrow to go to atlanta to help my region four colleagues to do the super bowl prep and i will be there until after it is over. >> what is some of the prep you were asked today do, why were you asked to work without pay. >> many times they ask the federal response to help out and ask for their recesses. everything you need to bring to the super bowl. they will ask us to do certain tasks that the local and state can't handle. large events like rnc, dnc, most of them will have federal responders to kind of fill the gabs. >> this is not the first government shut down we have had. have you been asked to go back to work without pay before? >> no, this is the first time. >> talk to me about the train that your family is facing right now. >> we have been out for about a month now. i started driving uber last week just to pay the bills. my wife works, she is a hairdresser in new york city, but that is not enough. we're struggling, we're okay now, but as it drags on in march and april we're looking at hard times and we'll have to make hard decisions on what i can do next. >> and that is stressful. you a wife, two children, one on the way. a 2 1/2-year-old and a baby on the way. i'm in that situation as well. but you were driving uber to make up for some income that you lost, and now you won't be able to compensation with uber driving any more. >> i will be working until after the super bowl, and we don't know when we will get paid, but the big deal for us, it is bet tore work and get extra overtime and hours than it would be to be sitting at home. it is tough to make these decisions. the last four or five years, this is the longest one that i have been part of. we haved that them for almost every year. they come up on january 30th, and it has been rough and it challenged the way we think of our financial situation all together. and how to speak about federal employment to high schools and colleges, it changed my way of talking to people about you know the great benefits of working for federal government. >> do you now try to temper your comments? >> i have not had to do that yet. >> not encouraging people to work for the federal government. >> i have not been asked yet, but i'm thinking of my own ramifications but gaing forward i will have to caution people, especially people with a lot of bills and student loans going into this difficult political environment it may be hard to have these jobs to be as safe as they used to be. >> who do you blame? >> there is blame on both sides, i don't have an opinion on who to blame. most of my colleagues also furlough furloughed, we just want to get back to work. >> do you want a border wall? do you feel like it would work? do you feel like the president should be holding out for a border wall like this? would you rather see yourself getting back to work. >> i would rather see us get back to work to be honest with you. policies aside, there are ways to go about business and open the government as opposed to holding me and my colleagues hostage in a way. i think anything on this scale needs to be talked about when the government is open, not before or after. thank you for joining us. critics are arguing that the president's proposal to end the shut down is a nonstarter because what is being offered is exactly what he took away in the past year. he moved to rescind deferred action for daca. it is thousands of people who were under the age of 16 when they came to the country. they are moving for tps. that allows immigrants. despite all of the objections. they write this reminder today. there is something serious on the other side of the equation. real people with real lives that depend on what congress and the president do next. >> the refugee and immigrant center for education and legal services. erica, thank you for joining us this afternoon. very much appreciate it. you say that you do not trust the president as a good negotiator. talk to me about that. >> absolutely not. i mean you know as you said, a lot of my colleagues and myself have been saying that he took away daca. he took away something and now he wants to give it back for $5 billion wall is unacceptable. and you know there is just all of this -- i have been hearing a lot of republican colleagues saying here is something for the da dreamers. we already had daca, he took it away, and it is not even a path to citizenship. it feels ridiculous, they should come back to work and talk about resolutions. i don't trust them. >> do you think this is a way to shift blame to democrats. it is clearly a way using them as a bargaining chip, is this back. >> it is just a gesture from the president really? >> i am surprised it did not come up before. >> we can't continue to use this as a bargaining chip. he needs to open the government, he needs to give up this temper tantrum wall that won't do anything other than destroy the environment of the border, cause a lot of harm to a lot of people, and it will not help in any way, find a way for us to open the doors for asylum seekers coming into this country not because they want to come to disneyland. they're leaving a lot of violence and hard situations that we will not understand or be living in this this country. so we need to open the government and they need to go back to work in congress to find real solutions. a dream act. they want to support the dreamers, and find a way to be able to have folks come in and if he continues to try to negotiate the way he does, if he comes out with these gestures, if it is in regard to daca and tps. they will not negotiate until they open up the government once again. at what point do the democrats need to come to the table. >> that is what he wants. in my own view and opinion, i was also traveling at the airport yesterday. i was hearing workers on a peop -- and people saying thank you for your service and saying this is not okay. people are kept as hostages as your last guest said it. i think the american community and people have seen that trump is the one to blame here. at the end of the day, dreamers and those effected. i will say that democrats have done a lot in the past to -- they have not done enough for us, but at this point right now the person doing this wrong is president trump. >> thank you, erica, appreciate it. >> up next, everybody, pamela harris enters what is departmented to be a crowded democratic field for president. within minutes of announcing she was getting donations. you're watching msnbc. - to be a pro at selfies takes practice, but to be a pro at travel just takes tripadvisor. we offer up-to-date reviews and 360 hotel photos to help you find the right hotel and search over 200 booking sites to get you the right price. tripadvisor. and the army taught me a lot about commitment. which i apply to my life and my work. at comcast we're commited to delivering the best experience possible, by being on time everytime. and if we are ever late, we'll give you a automatic twenty dollar credit. my name is antonio and i'm a technician at comcast. we're working to make things simple, easy and awesome. welcome back, today pamela harris has officially entered the 2020 field. she feels a sense of responsibility to stand up and fight. >> andrea, let's start with this. i love my country. i love my country. i feel a sense of responsibility toe stand up and fight for the best of who we are. i'm prepared to fight and i know how to piegt. in particular when we talk about fighting for the values we hold sacred and dear. when it comes to fighting for the american people. i belief it will be a winning fight. >> joining me now jonathan allen. let's talk about her choice to announce her run on martin luther king day. there is no yes that the route to winning a lot of delegates in 2016 ran through the african-american community. barack obama was able to get a huge lead getting a community behind him in southern states and heavily african-american northern cities. the same is true of hillary clinton and bernie sanders. one of the major hires, perhaps one of the very most important hires to far in the early days of the 2020 con at the time, pamela harris hired delegate dave. and she should be watched as people try to win delegates. i think she is trying to send a message that that is a community she is going to try to go after. the groups she does the best with right now is highly educated white voters. >> let's talk about how she would face up against president trump. we know that he hits below the belt to sea the least. we also know she a former prosecutor, a close r, she knows how to ask the right questions. she is a hard hitter as well. does she have it to go up against president trump? >> i think that is what this contest will help show which of these democrats, and it will be blood sport. this will be a brutal process. we'll see really tough fighting going on. and i think senator harris said she he will be a fighter. >> is that a good democraticic strategy though to make it such a tough primary. >> i don't know if that is a good strategy or not. it's what is in the self interest of these candidates, showing who they are and contrasting themselves. i think what we heard today that is very interesting to me is essentially that she wants to stand up and fight for the american people. her slogan is "for the people." that is a big change from what we heard in the last contest. one of the knocks on secretary clinton even from some people in her own campaign, is that her slog slogan, "i'm with her" was about her and not about what she would do for other people. as travelers are making their way home this holiday weekend, airports across the country are feeling the strain of the government shut down now in their 32nd day. with the tsa reporting that the callout rate for employees tripling since this time last year. i'm going to talk to an air traffic krouler working without pay. you're watching msnbc. watching. whoooo. did you know the exact same hotel room... ...can have many different prices? that's why tripadvisor searches over 200 booking sites to find the lowest price on the hotel you want. your perfect hotel room for the perfect price! welcome back, the ongoing partial government shut down is starting to have a visible impact at the nation's armts. they're encountering long lines. more tsa agents are staying away from work because they're not getting paid. there are not staffing issues at some of the biggest and largest airports. the tsa also says the call out rate is up to 1078%. compared to 3% last year. the agency said some of the callouts may be because of the winter storm. a lot of it is also due to fanl issues related to the government shut down. issues like not being able to afford to get to gas or childcare. we have tammy at some of the longest lines and wait times. what are you hearing from travelers there? >> well we spoke with one family and they told us they got here three hours before their flight and with good reason. last week it took an hour to get through the tsa check point here. today it is only about 15 minutes. one really may be because they brought in temporary tsa workers to help here with the check point and that is pause becauseu mentioned 10% of tsa workers are not showing up for work. we spoke with agents at this point that we know they're not coming to work. they tell us at this point they cannot go on working without a paycheck. >> we also no that plant is set to see a large influx of people. will r there fears if the shut down continues to drive on? >> absolutely. >> they were kpntiexpecting abo 150,000 people to come here. think about it if we have 10% of tsa agents nom shottinot showin there are concerns they will have more people coming through this airport than normal and they are concerned about how they will get them through the airport. >> security checkpoints by the way are not the only place at the airport where it is having an impact. the air traffic controllers are ols not getting paid. joining me is dan mcquaid. thank you for coming in. >> thank you for having me. >> talk to us about where you're at with this. let's talk on an emotional level, so many of these air traffic controllers are not getting paid an they have such a high stress job. >> there is no good emotion to describe it at this point. anger, uncertainty, stress, mostly anger at this point. >> air traffic controllers work six days a week, eight to ten hours a day, even with a government shut down, you have to do six days a week. >> they are in a lot of places because of our staffing issue at a 30 year low. in a perfect world you would world five days and 40 hours a week but that is not the case right now which is the reason this is such a problem, we're already spread thin. >> so you couple that, that is, let me do the math, 60 howing a week and you're not seeing a paycheck, and you're having to guide planes in and out of an airport, you're stressed, and you have kids at home. so how are these workers dealing with this? they are -- they are some of the strongest people that i ever had the strongest people of working with. they're pros. they could all be down if they wanted to, and a lot of them are, and rightfully so, but they're coming to work and keeping each other together, and you know the humor is getting dark. i'm going to have to go drive for uber tonight, or sell my house -- >> you don't want them to drive uber at night so they can direct planes during the day. >> no, i want them to show up well rested, mentally prepared, on their a game, that is what everybody wants. >> so we just heard tammy talking about some tsa employees are calling out sick. is that same thing happening with air traffic controllers? >> no, and i'm only privy to what is going on in my own building, but we have been okay so for. -- far. >> i want share a picture you showed us. loss of human life may result from service interruption, any person who interferes with air traffic control, damages, or trespasses on this property will be prosecuted under federal law. this is a message for the public, but is this sort of a message for the federal government as well? they're interfering now with the job of air traffic controller. >> that sign, you will find that on a gate, a fence, in front of every air traffic control facili facility. that was written by the federal government to warn the general public as to what would happen if they were to interfere with the service. i think today that sign speaks volumes. it was written by the federal government. they wrote it. the same people that are closed. that are greating this issue. so it is a nice parallel to what we're dealing with. we see them leaving their jobs, and airports will have to shut down. >> nationwide we last a few already. there is no good answer to that. i don't know at what point someone is going to go. 18% of our national workforce is eligible to retire. that is scary without a shut down, but at what point does someone say i have had enough,ly go do something else,ly go back to school? is it two checks? three checks? you tell someone you're not going to get paid for a month, but you tell them a month out and they can adjust. but if you tell them they're not going to get paid tomorrow and i don't know when it will reopen, they panic and you don't want them panicked. >> the people that you have talked to, quickly who are they blaming for this. >> it is so far past blame at this point they just want it fixed. they just want someone to step up, lead the charge, and fix it. there is literally nothing good that can come from this. >> dan mccabe, thank you so much. just in to msnbc news, rudy giuliani is trying to clean up his own mess saying his statements on when the trump tower moscow project ended were all hypothetical. that is next. ended were all hypothetical that is next whoooo. did you know the exact same hotel room... ...can have many different prices? that's why tripadvisor searches over 200 booking sites to find the lowest price on the hotel you want. your perfect hotel room for the perfect price! welcome back into msnbc news. rudy giuliani is trying to change statements that he made about the proposed time line of trump tower postcmoscow. >> it is our understanding they went on throughout 2016. can't be sure of the exact date but the president remembers having conversations with him about it -- >> throughout 2016? >> yeah, probably up to be, up to as far as october or november. our answers cover until the election. so any time in that period they could have talked about it. >> they said they ended in jan 2016, then they admitted that they were still taking place in june of 2016, but how much longer did they go on? we have barbara quaid. i first want to go back to jeff bennet who is joining us again with brand new details on giuliani's statement. >> hey, and this is important because giuliani's comments over the weekend raised all kinds of questions about the nature and the timing of the president's involvement in this business deal, so we reached out to giuliani for clarity on this. he said my recent statements about discussions during the 2016 campaign between michael cohen and a trump tower project were hypothetical. my comments did not represent the actual timing or circumstances of any such discussions. the point is that the proposal was in the earliest stage and did not advance beyond a free nonbinding letter of intent. so we will have to leave it to the audience to believe if they will take that into account. our answers will cover the election, or if it is because he was speaking hypothetically or not taking into accident any specific conversation. >> now he is saying these were based on hypothetical, they were not based on conversations i had with the president, but i think he said other things. he was talking on television, and so i'm not quite sure what to make of all of this. give me your take. >> it did not sound hypothetical to me, regardless this is not the first time that he had to walk back a statement when he realized the consequences here. it will not be decided based on what rudy julianny says on the information. they will minimize what president trump and his associates have done. robert mueller will people in the grand jury. he will look at the written answers by president trump and make an assessment based on those things. i think the danger is someonegi agent of president trump. his answers could be binding. so i trust that he was more careful, because those answers are attributable to president trump. >> i tend to ask this over and over, how can you not be prepared for a question like this. they are looking into an investigation on russian collusion that has been going on for over a year now and everybody has their eyes on it and you go as far as to change the time line of something like this. how can you not be prepared for it? >> i think it just goes to demonstrate that rudy juligiuli is not acts ing as much like a lawyer as much as a public relations coordinator. he is not working on what the facts are, the law is, he is pounding the trump on the fact that this is a witch hunt and minimizing the conduct of president trump. when that is your focus, perhaps the details are not as important as the tone of the message. >> if this were to -- if it would have exend tended, for asg as giuliani said, it would have been during the time that he asked the russians to release 30,000 e-mails, during the time that the trump tower meeting went on with don junior, and it would have been the time in which he talking about releasing sanctions with russia. that is a huge gaffe for raudy juliaewe giuliani. >> yeah, it exposes a conflict of interest. covering up the true timing of those statements is politically untenable in the best light. the worst light the way a prosecutor looks, what is it about this fact that is bothering them. what is it about this that they don't want to disclose. is it mere political embarrassment? is there something more here? there t is not so much the fact that they're lying but why are they lying if they are. but shifting stories is consciousness of guilty. i know the truth is very wrong so i need to cover this. >> i was already told to wrap, but what does mueller do with all of this. it is probably not something that he pays much tension to, but i think the written answers, i think that is why he puts that together and why he needs to work to continue to find the truth. >> we're not surprised, are we? thank you to you both. we want to shift gears here. we're looking now to the controversy sparked by a video gone viral if shows an only that native american face to face with a groop of high schoup of from kentucky. a previous encounter could have happened between those students and a group of the hebre hebrew isrealites. they say it started when the students started mocking them. nathan phillips says he stepped in to diffuse the situation between these two groups, and now at student in the video is speaking out. he says i did smile at one point because i wanted him to know that i was not going to become angry, intimidated, or be provoked into a larger confrontation. i'm a practicing catholic and i try to live up to the ideals that my faith teaches me. being respectful to others and take no action that leads to conflict or violence. joining me now is deb holland. one of the first women elected to congress. thank you for joining me on this monday. >> my pleasure. >> very much appreciate it. >> you have been outspoken. you wrote on twitter that the student's display of hate, disrespect, and intolerance is a tigal of how common decency how it it is decaying with this administration. is this a larger look of what is happening in this country right now? >> you know hateful rhetoric, there is no place for it in our society, and i really feel like this could be a teaching moment for so many people. i didn't see any other video of confrontation. i saw an native american elder veteran performing a ceremony, singing a song, with young students mimicking him, and i felt it was very disrespectful. i hope that it is moved these students to look inside themselves and perhaps realize that yes, there are cultures in our country that should be respected and certainly our elders should always be respected, not to mention the fact that veterans who would die for our country in a heart beat should always get the highest respect from every person in this country. >> you say this is a teaching moment, and to say we have had a lot of teaching moments is putting it lightly. and a lot of time those teaching moments have not turned into anything. and people look to legislatures like you in order to make and create those changes and help change things. so -- >> i completely agree with you. i feel like the school itself might have an opportunity now to include some cultural sensitivity education in their curriculum, perhaps indian history in their curriculum, it is, you know, i feel like at times and you have probably seen this with my own colleagues that they don't understand this e necessarily that native americans are people and their name names shouldn't be used as racial slurs. i mean, that's been an issue with our own president. so i feel like those of us who are in positions where young folks, young people or children might look up to us, we should always watch what we say and and always watch what we do. in the end, we are role models for those younger people. i hope we do use it as a teaching moment. however, it is difficult sometimes when the adults in the room aren't necessarily living up to the expectations that maybe some children have for us. >> congresswoman, thank you so much. speaking of role models, everybody, up next -- the legacy of martin luther king jr. and why it's resonating even more this year in the midst of the government shutdown. and as we reflect on king's message, let's be reminded of his call to leadership made in 1956 at the celebration of the oldest black fraternity in the country. we need leaders not in love with money but in love with justice, not in love with publicity, but in love with hue manti. e with hi from capital one. i earn unlimited 2% cash back on everything i buy. and last year, i earned $36,000 in cash back. which i used to offer health insurance to my employees. what's in your wallet? 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>> bernice is a good friend. not only is she talking about just white nationalists and people -- almost everybody would discount, she's talking about this white supremacist attitude that finds its way into policies. the idea that you would cut health care, the disparate impact that would have on brown people, white people and poor white people. this is what we have seen even perfect trump, 26 states passed voter suppression laws that have a racialized impact. it is the fact we're not addressing the issue of poverty and we still talk about poverty as a black issue when in fact the numbers are poor and white. what she's talking about is white nationalist leads us to a nationalism that fails. what is the key to moving forward is when we came together to cross lines to policies, policies. that's what dr. king was talking about, changing laws and changing policies and thereby changing the cup the. >> bishop barber, thank you very much. that's it for me this hour. thank you for watching. "deadline: white house" with nicolle wallace starts now. hi, everyone, it's 4:00 in new york. rudy giuliani making a mess out of donald trump's always-shifting story about his ties to russia and his lies about how long donald trump engaged in negotiation over trump tower moscow. one could never be sure what rudy is up to. he clearly established a brand-new fact pattern as it pertains to the timeline of donald trump's discussions with his personal attorney, michael cohen, over that deal. cohen had claimed in testimony to congress that those discussions about trump tower moscow ended in january 2016. he later admitted that was a big, fat lie in

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