News has not confirmed this reporting. It is the first report of trump telling a subordinate. I will tell you right now ze zero. I have nothing to do with russia. I have nothing to do with russia. A i no deals in russia. I have no deals that could happen in russia because we have stayed away. Back in 2017 cohen testified in front of the house intelligence kmuntt. He said the dealings ended in january of 2016. That is a claim that we now know to be a lie that means all of that stuff that you heard from President Trump were lies. It is a lie the president was reportedly privy too because while he was busy denying that business interest in russia, behind the scenes he was pushing the moscow project. One that could bring his Company Profits in excess of 300 million. The two sources said that trump had at least ten, ten face to face meetings with cohen about the moscow deal during the campaign. Buzz feed sources say they learned about the directive to cohen not from cohen but interviews with witnesses from the trump administration, internal companies, emails, and a cache of other documents. That is not all. The sources say that trumps children also allegedly received regular detailed updates about the Real Estate Development directly from cohen. Trumps current lawyer responded with this. If you believe cohen, i can get you a great deal on the brooklyn bridge. But he also exposed the lie that the dealings went longer than that january 2016 date. Did drunk know that Michael Cohen was pursuing trump moscow, a co according to the daytimee gave it would go up to november 2016. You had some time to sift there it, what do you think . This clip is very important. Some of this we knew, we sometimes forget what we have already learned. In the plea documents, he made clear that he talked to trump about reaching out to russia about this trump tower moscow deal and that trump green lighted it, it was proving that trump lied in the campaign about the timing and the nature of the trump tower moscow project. What is new here is the allegation that donald trump told Michael Cohen to high, and were not getting push back on that from the Michael Cohen camp. Trumps attorneys are denying it, but it is hugely important apart from the information because it suggests that he was involved in emergency, part of a conspiracy to lie to a coequal branch of golf, and it hvernmens a lot of people calling for Robert Mueller to impeach. Michael cohen being called a liar will not be enough for the public for that matter. A lot of the buzzfeed reporting is not reliant on the reporting by Michael Cohen. So the statement that he is unreliable, whatever they want to call him, the fact is this reporting if true, and we have not monitored it. It is based on two Law Enforcement sources and they discussed documents that were obtained from the Trump Organization. You have to assume that they were dexing and emailing about a instruction for him to lie. It is something that we should all consider. Also we have to consider that two Law Enforcement sources may have violated the law. This sounds like it was grand jury information. We should note that know other ocean has confirmed the story and go from there. If true, it is huge. It is important to have that caution, ken, because there is a lot of information out there. So what is the white house strategy repondisponding to the latest report. Kelly, we have been hearing from giuliani a lot, that is a little different than hearing from the white house, what do we know in response to this so far. We also have just had an opportunity for our colleague Halle Jackson who is among a group of reporters here, one of those moments of community for many nice conferences. What i am gleaning from this is she is knocking down the story as well calling it ridiculous. We will turn that as quickly as we can, but that would be a much higher level official addressing this and well have to see what piece of the puddle she addresses. We have been hearing that the president s daughterinlaw lara trump part of the Campaign Structure have been attacking cohen. Julianny who is the president s lawyer has released an extensive statement where he goes at this more directly. We can put that on the screen for our viewers to read along. Any other sense is that it is getting at the heart of the allegations that played out. She a lawyer. That goes down to the noblg down defense. The real piece of this unknown to us now, the reporters that authored that story may have some inside reporting. But email so often in our modern life are the construction of the digital fingerprint that helps people see pieces coming kogt in evidence, in realtime, if that is what is in the possession of this special council, and if cohen was a confirming witness to that documentary evidence, thats what we have to see and we dont have possession of that yet, we dont have insight to it yet, so the julioul giuliani new statem saying cohen was told to lie is a big umbrella statement that moves the ball forward. That goes beyond saying we dont trust him any more, that has been the argument for quite a long time to saying that suggestion of any improper doing is false. I asked the president directly if he had directed cohen to commit any Campaign Finance violations back on the south lawn and the president was very clear saying no no no, that was a direct denial on a different set of facts. This can really get congresss ire. It not only offends the law, but it is considered a real threat to the role of congress to get at their oversight on a whole rangs of issues, all of the range of things that transit through congress. And so that is why it is such a big deal if they cannot rely on witnesses to present the facts. This is just the start of this story and the snowball is rolling one way or the other, we just dont know if it will melt or gain speed. We just got comment from Sarah Huckabee sanders, lets listen to what she had to say. Did the president direct Michael Cohen to lie to congress. That is ridiculous. I think the president s outside council addressed this best. It is categorically false. Kelly, the same wording that Rudy Giuliani used so theyre singing off of the same page. Coordinated, you would expect that. This is the kind of matter where the White House Press secretary comes off of the council. She is an important voice in this regardless, but that makes sense that she would be speaking from the same page. It also took quite a while for us to get that statement. It is a second wave response. One might assume wile they measure how big it played and it has played big today. A lot of democrats speaking out about this today saying it leads toward a path of needing more investigation and more scrutiny, those are sort of the bred crumbs being laid, it has not ri risen to speaker pelosi. Before mule every speaks welcome it doesnt go to congress, it goes to the defendant of justice. That is really where we value to wait until we get something more specific about these details, but what an alarming report it has been this friday. That is keeping with what we know so far. How close are we getting to impeachment . More people are talking about this . Were getting much closer with the caveat that lawmakers keep repeating if true. The first article of impeachment was Richard Nixon and that was approving, condoning, counselling witnesses with respect to giving false investigation for an investigation. False or misleading system. Stuff it serious, the witness being Michael Cohen, the congressional proceeding being the house and Senate Judiciary committees. I want to bring in the experts, joining me, lids holtsman. She is a former member of the house and former member of the judiciary. Michael conway who served as a council to that same committee during the nixon impeachment inquiry, liz, we have been talking about this for a long time. It keeps coming closer to developments that you spoke about a long time ago. It smells like what went wrong for Richard Nixon, and you said none of it matter until they decide that donald trump is really a liability. When the American People decide that a president of the United States cannot be u someone that has committed crime or misdemeanor, that will affect congress. The house leadership was not for the impeachment of Richard Nixon. They were all democrats, the house was controlled by democrats, and they did not want to move one inch toward impeachment, but when the president said said im firing the special prosecutor, thats what we have here, but the evidence that mueller has been accumulating but but behind dro closed doors, but the more that the American People understand the evidence against donald trump, the more they understand what case could be, the more there will be a demand for impeachment. Michael, i have to say, liz is right. Mueller is doing what he is doing behind closed doors. The evidence that we have, the president saying something that we know to be lies, donald trump lies more than anyone i have ever covered in my entire career, but a lot are inconsequence shl and meaning less. These are lies recorded on tape that we can continue to play back for people. So why given your history and water gate, why are these moments not turning into greater and stronger calls for impeachment. I think this is really a l d landmark development. As you read, it is not just counselling people to lie, but the president took oath on Inauguration Day to make sure to uphold the law and in Richard Nixons case, he counciled people, and they admitted it was very important that he didnt come forward or reveal the system or dismiss the people. Here it is very clear that not just Michael Cohen has plead guilty, but other witnesses are under investigation for lying. I think this is something that people can understand. It impeding congress for oversight. If the executive branch, and witnesses are lying at the behest of the president not every crime is impeachable, not every Impeachable Offense is a crime. Earlier in the week william barr was testifying. He had interesting testimony. Amy klobuchar was asking him about obstruction of justice. A president persuading a person to commit perjury, that would be obstruction, correct . Yes, well any person that persuades another. You also said a president or any person convincing someone to change testimony would be obstruction, is that right . Yes. Okay, on page two you said a president deliberately impairing evidence would be an obstruction, is that correct . Yes. William barr may have made himself the least desirable attorney general to be. That is real stuff. He didnt even say the president , he said any american doing that would be facing an Impeachable Offense. Now it is the president , at least from the reporting we have. What barr said is that it is a crime. What we said, and i think very coming to water gate 2. 0 now, Richard Nickson said toth senate water gate committee, he said to president nixon, just say i cant remember, i cant recall and guess what, bob holdaman said i cant remember, i cant recall, and he went to jail. Richard nixon was voted to have committed high crimes and misdemeanors. Thats where we are now if this story is true. Congress has to get to the bottom of it. Thank you to both of you. Michael conway is the council to that same committee in the nixon impeachment inquery. If there is anyone you want to listen to its these two. They know what theyre talking about. And a day after donald trump let nancy pelosi use a jet to go to afghanistan, he said the white house leaked her plans. We had plans to travel commercially and then the white house leaked it, and we were going to go but we had a report from afghanistan that the president outing our trip had made the scene on the ground much more dangerous. White house official denied the allegations saying when the speaker of the house and about 20 others from capitol hill decided to book their flights to afghanistan, the world is going to find out. They not be able to use rented, lea leased, or any other government aircraft during the shut down. Garrett is joining us now from capitol hill, whats the latest . Well, the latest right now has nancy pelosi ans why n a sarcastic way. Whether or not she thinks this was retaliation. Listen to the lip and tell me what you think . Do you view this as retaliation . I hope not, i dont think the president would be that petty, do you . Youre accusing the president of the United States of endangers the lives of american members of congress. No, im just saying what state department reported to us. Any time that anyone uts a bright light on the presence at a high level or any level of congressional delegation, you have heightened the danger. I will let you decide for yourselves in the sarcasm or shade in the first part of that answer. I dont think that gets us any closer to solving the shut down problem. 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These new fashions in congress arrived to washington in the midst of a show down. Theyre not afraid to hold the president ial accountable. Hey, they may be freshman, but nay are not shy about speaking their minds, theyre firmly behind nancy pelosi, and i said houngs will this shut down go on. Dont know but we walked a letter over to senator mcconnell. He wasnt in the office. We got offered water, coffee, and chocolate, but what we want is a functional government. Dont nut down the government any time they didnt get their way over any issue. This is not how it is supposed to be. No other country is doing this, trump neds to end the shut down. What can you do as the new kids on the block. Freshman make up a quarter of the entire congress. That is huge, were not being treated like were being pushed aside. Really . No. The discussion is the wall. And there is bipartisan recognition that a wall is not the way to go. 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