Alex Witt hosts coverage of national and international news, including breaking stories. There. Its just bad weather, stay there, my friend. Rain, rain, rain. Thank you so much. Joining me now political reporter for the guardian and steph knight, reporter for axios. Ladies, thanks. Sabrina, is there any indication that were getting to the end, the final stretch of whether or not the president will submit to an interview with Robert Mueller . Weve been having the same conversation for months as to what the scope of that interview might look like and the ongoing negotiations with the president s legal team and an interview that would be partially done in person. And then there would perhaps be some questions in written format. So it doesnt really seem like much progress because its something is that we were talking about earlier this year. Whats quite clear is that, the president s legal team does not want him to sit down with the Special Counsel. And i think Rudy Giuliani himself has alluded to the very real risk that the president
could, or might purchasingerjur. I think its striking that the president s Team Doesnt Trust Him to be forthcoming or tell the truth with federal prosecutors. And i think thats what its about. Zbl steph, i would correct myself, its not knight. Would you have any believe that he would conduct this oneonone, but if you listen to his legal teams youd think hes having doubts . Right, the New York Times has recently reported that the president does want to interview with mueller, that he feels that hell be able to persuade him that hes done nothing wrong. Thats something that the president has said over and over again. Hes tweeted about it. He doesnt think theres anything to worry about. He thinks maybe sitting down with mueller will prove, look, im not afraid to do this. Theres no collusion. I think i think hes going to try to push his lawyers to
continue negotiating with muellers team to find a way to make this interview happen. Sabrina, i want to go to maria butina, big picture. Where does this fit in the Trump Campaign and the Russia Campaign or according to j. D. Gordon, his comments, he says its nothing to do with the Trump Campaign. Its just an effort to discourage any republicans, any nra association member. Hows it being read . Lets look at the big picture. Pal reya butina was in this country with the purpose of trying to infiltrate the american political system. And her activities coincided with the broader efforts by the russians to interfere in the 2016 election. So, this is a first indication that she at least had some contact with the Trump Campaign or at least someone who is within the campaigns orbit. J. D. Gordon the director of the Campaign Security team, he said
that the communications they had were innocuous. But he was also offered a role on what would have been trumps transition team. And when butina was introduced to him, that is how he was introduced, someone who would have influence in the forthcoming administration if trump were in fact interested. So its quite clear she was interested at a minimum getting closer to people within the Trump Campaign universe. And potentially the forthcoming administration. Presumably, so you could try and peddle some influence. How about you, stef, whats your take on this . Its just another example of someone connected to russia that did have interactions with people on the Trump Campaign. If you kind of zoom out and look at how many instances have been popping up, similar stories to maria. And i think this is going to go somewhere. Were going to keep seeing more of these incidents come up. And its clear that she was
she was trying to get influence in the Trump Campaign, especially given the timing that she met with j. D. Gordon. Theres still a lot of questions about Whats Going On. But really zoom out and look at all of these different instances that were seeing, its yet again another pointer to interaction between russians and trump officials. Okay. Lets get back to something that im sure neither of you can forget which happened during the president s rally on thursday when he went on that rampage against the media. The topic overall first on a number of fronts, lets take a listen to what the president said and ivanka trump. Here it is. A number of my colleagues here on the press, do you think that were enemy of the people . No, i do not. I think it would be a good thing if you were to say right here, at this briefing, that the president are not the enemy of the people. Repeatedly, the medial resorts to personal attacks without any content other than to incite anger. I had a very nice life. I didnt need to be i used to get actually good press. The media continues to ratchet up the credible assault against the president. Ive certainly received my fair share of reporting on me personally that i knoll not to be fully accurate. Fake news. But no, i do not feel that the media is the enemy of the people. President of the United States should not refer to us as the enemy of the people. Im here to speak on behalf of the president. Hes made his comments clear. They can make anything bad. Because they are are the fake, fake disgusting news. Rm ccharming. Sabrina, i know you reported that the remarks by the president in particular are gaining widespread condemnation. Even the u. N. Is weighing in on it. How significant is it . And ultimately, does it even matter . Well, the challenge is this is something emblematic of not
just the trump presidency, but his candidacy where he repeatedly singled out reporters by name before an angry mob of supporters. I think what the u. N. Was saying in their condemnation is that this rhetoric could very well result in violence. And thats the greatest threat here. The president continues to use his bully pulpit to attack the media as the menemy of the people. And its not because theyre reporting anything inaccurately. A lot of what you see is not typically what you see here in the United States. Its a lot more of what you see in authoritarian regimes. I think thats partially why you saw experts at the United Nations feel the need to weigh in on this. What about you, stef, ivanka, distancing herself from her fathers remarks but critics saying youve got to take more action, ivanka. But my question is, how much
influence did she have . Thats a great question. A lot of people want an answer to. It seems its inconsistent. Shes been able to persuade her father as far as Missile Strikes in syria when she presented photos of the children in syria who had been gassed. And that really moved the president. But on the other end of things she doesnt really have that much sway. At the end of the day, the president ends up doing whatever he thinks is best. And while so her remarks were perhaps encouraging for the media, only a few hours later, we heard Sarah Huckabee sanders refuse to stand up to the press which was disheartening. The president , the same day, went on a tirade against the press. And i think it does pose serious dangers to the freedom of the press. And possibly could lead to violence. It becomes a goto defense whenever there is something negative being talked about in
the press about the president. I think it poses a great danger. Yeah. Sabrina and stef, come back and see me. Im sorry for missing your name. Ill bring coffee brought to you. Thank you. Democrats in the house and potentially the first black speaker. Congressman cleave is going to weigh in on that. Ivanka trump and family separation, did her remarks resonate or fall flat this week . Thats next. [siri beep beepa] directions to the greek theater. Can i get a connection . Can i get can i get a connection . I can see it in my, see it in my reflection. Ohhh can i get a connection . Tryna find the old me
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president. Weve all been watching this play out, giuliani giving interviews on the president s legal strategy. What do you expect to come out from this . I know there was a colleague of yours saying this was a kabuki dance right now. Well, kabuki dance, jujitsu, ring around the rosy, look, the president is not going to submit to an interview with mueller and his team. That is just not going to happen. And i think mayor giuliani is doing a good job of trying to lay out, for the public, the fact that that may happen. And then hell eventually say, well, the president knew that it was rigged. And he didnt want to go in, setting a perjury trap. And that will play with about 33 , 35 of the population. But, look, the president s not willing to do that. And i dont know who came up with the strategy. I think its rather transparent. Thats just not going to happen. They can have whatever we can, between now and the 12th of never to talk about this strategy, and the president will never sit down with him. And saying this is about imimpeachment, many democrats, but his strategy, what do you make of it to try to get out the republican vote . Well, i think one of the things that will bmr. Bannon is is using the i word, impeachment, hoping to get the Republican Base to turn out big in november. Look, a part of that base, i think, is depressed. The independents, according to all of the latest polling, is moving away from President Trump, based on the fact that he continues to embarrass the country by his performance, like what he did in europe with
mr. Putin. And i think that my caution to democrats is to stay away from the word impeachment. Lets talk about our agenda. Because every time that word comes up, i think it rallies the hardest of the hard Trump Supporters to come out. And we dont need to do any encouragement to them. Our base is what we need to work with. Lets work with our base, get the Democratic Base out. Get the independents out. We cant convince people who are donald trump to change their opinion, because in some of those instances, the opinions were not based on facts. So you cant give them facts to change it. What about the pressure that youve been putting on the Trump Administration, this to reunite those hundreds of kids still separated from their parents. I want to play for you what ivanka trump said on thursday
morning in an interview with axios. Heres that. That was a low point for me as well. I feel very strongly about that. And i am very vehemently against family separation. And the separation of parents and children. So, i would agree with that sentiment. I think immigration is incredibly complex as a topic. Illegal immigration is incredible complicated. Look, shes giving her personal opinion there. But are you willing to give ivanka trump the benefit of the doubt, that she has put this out there and she may be conveying her sentiments to her father. I mean, might it help . Well, i wish she would quit discussing these kind of issues, because as a father, i dont want my children receiving the
slings and arrows of my conduct. And she continues to do this. I dont know what kind of influence she has over her father. Perhaps, very little, but, of course, i dont know of any mother or father who can watch Whats Going On on the borders, even today, and do so dispassionately. This is a horrible, horrible thing. And our children and our childrens children will read in History Books what is taking place on the borders and it will be likened to what happened to the japanese camps in world war ii ii. This is a dark moment in our history. Alex, if i can say this on immigration, the president has an awful lot of power and influence in that office, probably more than anybody on this planet. And hes constantly talking about immigration and building walls but he never talks about building bridges. I think most conservatives, no matter how liberal, they want to build bridges to reduce the chasm that exists. Over and over, President Trump criticizes africanamericans questioning their intelligence. Hes done is that with maxine waters. He just did that with don lemon. Did it with lebron james. Frederica wilson in florida. He gives everybody these little silly names but when he stops talking about africanamericans and brown people. He said a mexican judge did not have the capacity to be a Nonbiased Presider over issues regarding immigration. And i think this is really bad. And it says that even in the end of the 2020s, or the teens, rather, this kind of bigotry is still a resilient enemy of this nation. And the president ought to do better. He ought to resort to what Abraham Lincoln called our better angels and Start Building bridges. What about the prospect of not only the democrats taking back the house in november . But of nancy pelosi not being promoted to Speaker Of The House . In the prospect that colleagues, you and yours and the Congressional Black Caucus put out there, there are five names being put out there as the possibility as the first africanamerican Leader Of The House there, potentially. Whats that mean to you and how would that change that which you
were just lamenting . Well, first, every thursday morning at 9 00, i speak to the Democratic Caucus in our w. H. I. P. Meeting as kind of an inhouse preacher. And i caution them if you want to have rabbit chilchili, the f thing you do is catch the rabbit. Right now, thats what we have to do in november, catch the rabbit. Having said that theres no question jim clyburn would be a fabulous speaker. And i dont think theres anybody in the Congressional Black Caucus would challenge me on that. But i dont think jim clyburn is looking to challenge nancy pelosi. Steny hoyer would be great. Joe crowley, would would have. Yeah, not going to be part of this final camp on leadership. But we have a lot of people, and we have a lot of young people who are also moving up. And jim clyburn is brilliant. Hes probably a much better politician than hes gotten credit for over the years. And we would love to see him in some leadership position. I dont know what position that would be. One of leadership. As you said, first things first. We love speaking with you. Thank you so much. Good to talk with you. Two big developments on north korea. One involved a diplomat handing something to a north korean and why that matters. And Briefing Room surprise. Five advisers with one united message. How much did the press know . The line between work and life hasnt just blurred. Its gone. Thats why you need someone behind you. Not just a card. An entire support system. Whether visiting the airport lounge
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sanctions. One of the centerpieces of the president s foreign policy. So, you know, pompeo is trying to defend that, i think effectively out there. But its going to be up to the president to say to the north korea leader, hey, youre playing us. Youre gaming us. Youre not delivering. And to putin, stop messing in our elections. Stop getting into crimea. Get out of syria. Unless the president does that, these leaders are not going to listen to bureaucracy. Any idea what was in that letter that the u. S. Delivered on behalf of the president to chairman kim . I mean, to your point, do you think anything of what you said you wish the president would say to him was in that letter . Well, no, i think north koreans love letters. They love these protocols. You saw the first letter that the spy chief brought to the white house. It said absolutely nothing. It said we want to improve relations. I think this second letter probably says, look, im
starting to fulfill my commitments to you. Although if you look at his first commitment on the remains, the north koreans said were going to give you 200. They gave us 55. Theyre dragging this on. They dont want to denuclearize. But, look, despite all of this negativism, i think its important that we continue giving pompeo and the administration a chance at some kind of reduction of missiles and denuclearization. Have timetables. Have verification. But the north koreans, you know, with their rhetoric, they send a nice letter, they do have a quarter of the remains, you know, this is how they always negotiate, they stretch it out. Oh, we didnt believe that. I think what pompeo is doing, buttressing our allies in the region, warning russia. But i think its going to be up to the president , instead of saying to kim jongun, oh, youve done all of these nice things with us, thank you for the remains. This is the time to get tough. I want to ask you about politics here, Democratic Politics with midterms being 90 days away because youre a former congressman as well as a governor of new mexico. You famously endorsed barack obama before his appeal took hold, you had dropped out of the race as a candidate, you endorsed him in spite of your history with the clintons. Im curious of the endorsement that president obama made this week and should he have been more visible at this point . Well, i think they matter. Obama is the most popular democrat. I think obama is the only democrat today that can beat donald trump, the problem is hes not running. His endorsement carries weight with the Bernie Sanders people. The moderates, the clinton people, its powerful. Now, should he be engaging more. Thats his personal decision. The guy labored eight years as a president. I think he was a good president. I think he feels he can be more
effectively in different capacities doing international work. But i did notice he said hes going to do some campaigning so, maybe hes changing but he is a powerful force in the party. When you say hes the only person, only democrat right now that you think can beat donald trump, is that because theres a number of names still being floated out there, the democrats have yet to coalesce as one person, a star, the leader of the party, to take on donald trump . No, i think, alex, look, were far away from the primaries still. I think there are a lot of good candidates out there. Ill tell you who im for, im for either a zwro bijoe biden o face. And i dont know who the new face is. I think time will evolve if we get a democratic economic message if we merge the democrats, the sanders with the more economicoriented unionbacked democrats like
conor lamb, i think thats going to be a powerful coalition. And i think this Election Tampering by the russians is going to make a difference. If youre Senator Mccaskill in missouri, youre in a tight race, if im the senator, are you going to allow the missourians to do it. Thats very powerful. Im looking more and more that we will win the house, if there going to be a way that we will take over the house with one or two votes, i believe. Well, the Cook Political Report says theres 65 up for grabs, and only need 28. And its leaning towards democrats according to that latest report. Bill richardson, always look forward to seeing you again, my friend. The president with that official interview with Robert Mueller, what the Investigation Looks like Behind The Scenes and why its taking so long to happen. Play connection by onerepublic. beep
these days, my waves get lost in the ocean Seven Billion swimmers man im going through the motions sent up a flare need love and devotion trade it for some faces that ill never know notion can i get a connection . Can i get can i get a connection . Can i get a connection . Can i get can i get a connection . Months. Because of that, if i were donald trump, id be asking myself, manafort still has a lot left on the table so what if anything can they be using to bargain than perhaps a longer Prison Sentence and that always had to be something that trump was considering when he thought about the possibility of pardoning Paul Manafort. Remember, alex you can be convicted and get a president ial pardon. You can even get the commutation of his sentence which means the entire sentence goes away. The Paul Manafort doubledown against Robert Mueller has gone to trial and the evidence so overwhelming against him i would not be surprised if the jury very quickly came back with a guilty verdict against Paul Manafort at the end the day. Against him. But im curious how much this comes back to the president. Weve seen a lavish lifestyle. The guy has a blue blazer in every shade of blue. Theres the Guilt By Association that happens when you have somebody like Paul Manafort a key role league that close to donald trump it does suggest theres some wrongdoing going on but at the end of the day, the indictment being prosecuted by the mueller team has to do with bank fraud and tax fraud. Again, the underlying concept is does Paul Manafort want to save himself and if so, does she have something with which to bargain with Robert Mueller. So Rudy Giuliani talking this week with superb council. Here Special Counsel. Heres what he said. I heard him say i want to be interviewed if my lawyers can reach the agreement on the ground rules. Weve had lot of trouble that we havent stopped negotiating. Bottom line is there anything to negotiate . Is this in the president s best interest to sit down and have an interview with rl mueller . Trump is not the kind of person who is going to hide
behind the skirts of his lawyers. Think about the equivaleequival evolution. And trump will sit down and answer questions not about Obstruction Of Justice we saw that tweet calling out Jeff Sessions for not ending the alleged witch hunt, but trump is willing to sit down and talk about questions that have to do with collusion. Remember, there was that enemy of the lie. And then the mentality going on in the trump camp is maybe one day there will be an interview, but at this time, there is no agreement between the two sides to sit down to have that interview happen. All right, katie pheng, thank you. The republicans divide and deepen in the koch wars. Is it all about ideas or could it lead to a splintered party . On any one of thousands of risky sites. That sounds super helpful. How much is it . Well, if you have a discover card, its free. No way yes way we just think its important for you to be in the know. All right hey. Ewww everything ok . Being in the know is very good. Yeah, it is. Ooo dont shake dont shake ahhh know if your Social Security number is found on risky sites. Free from discover. Of the president. The rncs message to its supporters blasted the Koch Brothers for taking that position earlier in the week saying some groups who claim to be support conservatives forego that when they considered to be part of the party. And lets go to author and haley mcinny. And rick tyler, an analyst for msnbc. Is the rnc trying to capitalize on this feud, asking donors to stay away from the koches, support us, the rnc directly. Donors deserve to have the facts. The facts are if you donate to the rnc, we can guarantee you your money is going there and will advance the trump agenda. You do not have that with the Koch Brothers. Theyve already attacked republicans. They have an ad how praising heidi heitkamp. This is not an organization that is going to further conservatism. But, do you think its wise to get in a feud with billionaires who have supported untold amounts over the years and putting 400 million in the Election Cycle this year . We do. We believe theres another layer in this, i dont want to get too into the leads with this, alex. But we think its important to say to republican candidates, come use the rnc data. Do not use data used against you, in some cases going forward. Rick, i know you said that the rncs move represents the partys repute yags and free Market Economics and political cult, pretty strong words there. Whats your response to kaleys position . Her position is clear. If you want to support donald trump and his agenda, give to the rnc and many people have done that. My position is that the koches have a longstanding of public policy. And free market. If the rnc wants to reject free Market Economics for a personality which is donald trump then they can give their money to the rnc. If in fact they want to support policies that help people get better jobs and better pay and looking toward the future and innovation, donald trump is always looking to the past. Hes manufacturing jobs, cold jobs. The kochs look to the future. Do you think its politics versus personality . Sure. Policy. Pose, yealicy, yeah. If you support free Market Economics thats working well tariffs are not free Market Economics. Theyre working. Tariffs are not. I just gave you two examples talk to the farmers and the contracts with china. Let me say the Koch Brothers if theyre supporting free Market Economics why are they supporting heidi heitkamp, thats not free market . What you just said, kaley, theyre not supporting republicans. What theyre saying, look, were putting our policies, economic policies above personalities. And if republicans by supporting someone who voted against tax cuts. How does that make sense . Because they support protectionism which is not pfre Market Economics. In the long term it will have a devastating effect mostly starting with farmers, then going on through manufacturing. And remember, donald trump thinks german cars are actually made in germany. The biggest german manufacture is some alabama. And those are American Workers who work there. You can say, look, my work in
the long run. If you look at protectionist poses historically, they never work unless you want to bomb the toyota plant in germany, which worked fine in world war ii but not for free economics. Hey, bill, can democrats take advantage of the Free Market Policy . First of all, let me say, alex, i never enjoyed two minutes on television in my life as watching these two republicans go back and forth. But, look, i think this is silly as a democrat, an observer. Its silly. The Koch Brothers are going to spend 40 million. Theyre not endorsing heigdi heitkamp. Theyre not going to give a penny to a democrat. Number two, i think the Koch Brothers should be kissing
donald trumps feet or some other part of his anatomy. He has done more to deregulate and shut down the epa which is the Koch Brothers dream than anybody else. I think this is like the democrats forming a circular firing squad. Id say let them go at it and kill each other off and well march up the middle. There are is not disagreements within the pundit class, but not our party. This president has the highest the grassroots supports this president. Kaley, look, i think youre right that the grassroots does. I know a lot of republicans, outspoken, i dont have to name them, senators who dont like these tariffs. They said they are bad policy. Bob corker, richard sheldon, go down the list. Im sorry theyre elected officials. They are elected officials. They represent the republicans. Thank you, rick. You had the President Ranting against the Koch Brothers on twitter this week. But to your point earlier, do you think the koches moves lead to other changes or is it about setting the change for future congress and administration . The koches lets hear your question. Well, look, the reality is the kochs are complaining and saying they dont like this president. Look, i dont think they said they dont like this president. They dont like protectionism and tariffs and trade policies. Well, theyre going against his policies. And they like others, as bill pointed out, so, look, its very cowardly, in my opinion, for the president of the United States to put this grievance about the Koch Brothers who again are going to spend 400 million in this Election Cycle out in public. Instead of calling a meeting with the Koch Brothers, no, they Didnt Support donald trump but get over it. Have a meeting with the Koch Brothers who are important to
the movement, and economic to conservative economics and do this out of the public view. To pick a fight with them is lunatic. Should the president have a meeting instead of Airing Everything on to witter . I have no what about what the president said, he said this is about business for the Koch Brothers. Hes exactly right. For the president its about america first. For the Koch Brothers they employ 125,000 employees. 65,000 of which are overseas. This president wants to bring industry home, so, of course, the Koch Brothers is not going to support that because of their selfinterests. Alex, just a word of advice, i think the president has got to be stopping being so damn thinskinned. Look. Its okay for republicans even to disagree with him on some policy. The Koch Brothers support him probably 80 of the way. They dont leak teike tariffs. Okay, deal with it. Hes acting like some latin
american dictator, its my way or the highway. Thank god the Republican Party is a big tent party. Well take doug jones and Elizabeth Warren and well take conor lamb and cortez, as long as youre voting democrat, we love you. Except in california where the democrats cannot support their own candidate. We agree on that, rick. Thanks to all three of you. Would like to have this conversation again. Thank you. The dealing over a sitdown, the questions that the trump team wants to avoid and the ones that mueller wants to ask. Just listen. vo theres so much we want to show her. We needed a car that would last long enough to see it all. avo subaru outback. 98 are still on the road after 10 years. Come on mom, lets go avo right now,
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