Transcripts For MSNBCW MSNBC Live With Alex Witt 20180121 :

Transcripts For MSNBCW MSNBC Live With Alex Witt 20180121

Plus, the president tweets about the womens march and that set off a firestorm of reaction online. Well take a look at why, next. But we begin with a live picture of capitol hill where the senate is adjourned until 1 00 p. M. Today on the first day of trying to end the Government Shutdown failed. President trump appearing to suggest Mitch Mcconnell by pass democrats and invoke the Nuclear Option to pass the spending bill. He tweeted this morning, great to see how hard republicans are fighting for our military and safety at the border. The dems just want Illegal Immigrants to pour into our nation unchecked. If steal mate continues, republicans should go to 51 , Nuclear Option, and vote on real long term budget, in crs. Eight years under president obama and a president more willing to sign immigration legislation that they preferred. They never shutdown the government over that issue. They are doing it to blame the president. We will not negotiate on the status of hundreds of thoses us of people while the basic services of hundreds of millions lawful residents in the United States are held hostage. Thats a Firm Position we wont back down on. Our coverage this hour includes mike at the capital, jeff bennett at the white house and Caitlyn Hughie burns and nbc news digital reporter alex. Well go to mike at the moment. Hes been following this moment for a number of moments, frankly. Its been quite awhile for you, mike. Sche senators were shuffling between the offices yesterday. Did anything come from the talks . We see the branding war. The trump shutdown, schumer shutdown. People might roll their eyes and think this is ridiculous with people and federal workers thrown out of work and closed air cross the nation but it will determine when this shut down ends and in fact how it will be resolved because it is in the court of public there is no question about it at least another day and public right now. We all know to keep the government open, this spending bill, a temporary measure, the fourth since october 1st that would keep the government running. Republicans attach something they thought would be a sweetener, a legislative trap that helps low income people knowing democrats would insist on something that would help the dreamers, those individuals brought here involuntarily as young people and remain here. Lamar alexander is a republican thats seen as a Bridge Builder and expresses frustration you see over the state of play in the capitol. We have no business shutting down the government as a bargaining chip. Government shutdown should be the equivalent of chemical warfa warfare. It ought to be banned. We should reopen the government immediately. You saw President Trump in that tweet talk about ending the filibuster and going to a simple majority of 51 votes to pass anything in the senate. Around here they call it the Nuclear Option. That would be a last resword so resort. Its often been spoken about but now were hearing it more and more, alex. Quickly, Lamar Alexander seemed optimistic saying they are close to resolution. Do you get that sense . You know, this are behind the scenes discussions, the thing democrats insist on, a solution for daca and socalled dreamers. Lamar alexander is is papart of discussion. He doesnt have a suite there where other leaders are. Its unclear exactly how much influence he can have over this process, alex. Mike viqueira, thank you. To jeff bennett, jeff, good sunday morning to you. We got the president really blaming the shutdown entirely on democrats. Does that make it harder for senators to come to an agreement, that kind of publicity . The president suggesting democrats care more about undocumented immigrants than service members, its hard to see how language like that entices them to work with the white house. Its as if democrats and republicans are still negotiating what the table should look like, right . As mike pointed out, you have this new line of criticism from the white house suggesting that the senate change its rules to prevent such impasses from happening again in the future. Take a look at what raj shaw, the Deputy White House press secretary had to say about this early this morning. We think the senate rules are candid. They dont make sense when youre dealing with somebody like chuck schumer. If we want progress in this country, we have to get rid of the filibuster in a lot of these instances. The white house suggesting that the senate should pass with 51 votes instead of the required 60. U. S. Senators do not work for President Trump. The constitution calls for three coequal branchs of government but has not stopped the president from suggesting how the chamber might function more effectively. President trump spent day one of the shut dodown here at the whi house. We heard from him on twitter. Day two is shaping up to be much of the same. The president has no Public Events but we heard from him on twitter. Well have to see how publicly involved he is in helping to bring about some sort of resolution to this, alex . Well trust you keep an eye on that. Its bring in Caitlyn Hughie burns and alex, National Politics reporter for nbc. With a good morning to you both, alex, the president floating the Nuclear Option. How viable is that . He talked about this a couple times. Its pennywise foolish for any president to talk about it or remove these restrictions. Democrats did it for judicial nominees in 2013 and regretted it when they slammed through neil gorsuch by rolling back the filibuster again for Supreme Court picks. Republicans have the narrowest of majorities. 51 votes. If democrats take over they could past Single Payer Health care, who knows what if you got rid of the rule. This is something trump talks about but on capitol hill, Senate Republicans dont have much appetite to repeal it. There is a new ad that i want to play for all of you from the Trump Campaign put out last night. Lets take a listen. President trump is right. Build the wall, deport criminals, stop illegal immigration now. Democrats who stand in our way will be come polil come in ever Illegal Immigrants. President trump will keep us safe. Give me your reaction that the president and immigration hard liners in congress will put the blame on democrats regarding immigration. Right. This blame game is really interesting. You can argue all sides share some blame here. The republicans and donald trump are trying to argue that democrats held this continuing resolution hostage by demanding a settlement on daca and originally, democrats werent wrong. He said he would take the heat for it, fast forward a couple days later and of course, we had the entire controversy over him resending that pledge. Whats interesting here, though, is that youre seeing kind of both sides and a real base play, especially as were analyzing what kind of impact this could have on the midterm elections. Youre seeing the president and republicans argue that democrats are more concerned with undocumented immigrants than they are with the military and youre going to hear democrats say that the republicans here are playing games, they are not negotiating in good faith and so when you look at who is to blame here, the polls show republicans and donald trump, because they share all levers of government are going to take the brunt of the publics blame, u but i wou remind everybody, we have many, many, many, months of news cycles before. Republicans shut down the government in 2014 but took over the senate the following year. Democrats are feeling emboldened and dont think they will suffer from this. Nine and a half months is a long time in politics. Alex, i want to play what a democratic congressman said yesterday. I think it would be a monumental waste of taxpayers money to build a monument to stupidity but if thats what it takes to take 800,000 young men and women and give them a chance to live freely and openly in america, then ill roll up my sleeves. Ill go down there with bricks and mortar and begin the wall. Okay. How did democrats get to this point . Is st what is stopping the president and republicans from taking this deal . It seems like its the president himself. I mean, weve had a number of moments where it looked like they were close to a deal and then the president backtracked or changed his mind or had advisors speak to him like negotiating with jello. The president s position changes constantly. Its really notable to have gutierrez who has no more credibility apong among activis say he would be willing to give money to fund the wall in exchange for a daca deal. That was an obvious possibility for months now that could have been done. If hes saying that, maybe that signals democrats are willing to back down a bit and cut a deal there. You have to get the president s sign off and as senators on both sides said, they can find a deal but without the president , the house, the president has unique credibility with his wing of the house caucus and they never air cover from the white house to vote for anything on immigration. Caitlyn, quickly, schumer suggested he had a deal with the president included the democrats funding the wall. Lewis gutierrez said ill roll up my sleeves and put that wall up myself. How did that fall apart . The white house staff came back and said thats not really the way to go and youve also seen we saw this in that first immigration meeting where the president said that he would sign anything and he would take the heat for it and then you had republicans come back and say wait a second, we control all levers of government here, we want a more conservative, much more conservative harder line approach to immigration and so i think youre seeing these factions kind of fight it out as it pertains to this and thats why schumer is saying look, the president is all over the place and backed up with that with Mitch Mcconnell that said they arent sure what the president wants for immigration and they want to wait to see what he wants before they proceed. All right. Caitlyn hughie burns, alex, good to see you both. The timing of the Government Shutdown, why my next guest is calling it apartment and the words americans are using to describe the first year in office. Need a change of scenery . 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It is day two of the Government Shutdown lasting more than 33 hours, a bit later today at 1 00, the Senate Returns to work followed by the house at 2 00. Well take you to the chambers when todays sessions reconvene. This shut down happening on the First Anniversary of the president s inauguration. Joining me, president ial historian and author of the gate keepers. Gentlemen, good morning. You tweeted that the timing here is an apt metaphor. How so . Well, its an apt metaphor in the sense that donald trump when he was campaigning in 2016, jeb bush said hes a chaos candidate and he will be a chaos president and thats exactly what weve seen in donald trump. This is a man who governs as though the white house is reality television. Thats played across the world stage. I think dan balls of the Washington Post got it right in an opt ed he wrote this year in encapsulating the first year of Donald Trumps presidency when he stated that donald trump sees democratic governance through the lens of whether donald trump personally is winning or losing. This is a man whose incapable of putting the office of the presidency above himself. To expand on that, chris, the Associated Press heard from a white house official that said that the presidencys th sees th shutdown as his commitment to tough negotiations, he believes the democrats will be the ones to blink first. Whats clear, i agrae wiee w mark. This is the most dysfunctional, least accomplished white house in history. It isnt Getting Better on kellys watch. He seems to be politically out of his depth. We saw that in the press Briefing Room with the unhinged and unfounded attack on representative wilson but more than that, it seems to me that kelly is reinforcing Donald Trumps worst instincts. You know, donald trump knows how to do one thing, that is to dem demonize, divide and disrupt. And thats campaigning, not president. John kelly doesnt seem to understand the difference, either. Do you agree with that, mark . I do. There are comparisons made between donald trump and Richard Nixon but a big, big difference between the two. Its a mistake to cannonize in comparison. If you look at nixon, nixon knew government. He had been a congressman for four years. He knew the lever s of government. He read a lot. Donald trump doesnt seem to be interesting. Hes running the government as though it is his own family business, that is a big mistake. Given the fact there are comparisons between the nixon presidency and Trump Presidency, where where the similarities . Why do people make those anal y analogi analogies . On the obvious similarity, we dont know what robert mueller, the charges he may bring, if any. Ill tell you one thing about donald trump, it frightens me and that is i think Richard Nixon was more mentally stable than donald trump is and i think Richard Nixon had a minimal respect for constitutional norms. Donald trump has no respect for any norms. Hes a human wrecking ball. When nixon was on the verge of conviction in the senate for watergate, a delegation went to him, explained he had to resign and went quietly. Can you imagine in a similar situation what donald trump would do . No, he would take to twitter. Twitter or anyway possible. You know, guys, im looking at these Extraordinary Results of a poll that asked people to give Word Association as to how they describe the presidency with the first year in office. It was an nbc news poll and remarkable. Those who approve of the job use the words like positive, excellent, accomplished a lot but in the mix, the remark, quit tweeting so much. Those who disapprove call it a disaster, embarrassing and chaotic. Several references to racism, as well. I want you each to think of a word and ill start with you, chris, that you think describes this presidency. Incompetent would cover it. As mark says, one of the major problems here, i used to say about john kelly, his fundamental mistake was saying at the outset he wasnt in the job to manage the president. You have said that on this broadcast. Thats part of his job and yet, we are dealing with a president , donald trump who does not read. We are dealing with a president who does not have the Attention Span to absorb complex briefings or information. He rages at his generals when they fail to give him simple options. So how do you manage a president like that . It may well be Mission Impossible for kelly. Okay. Mark, chris says incompetent. What do you say . Chris is right. Thats probably the right word for administration. For donald trump not one word but two. Malignantly narcissistic. Its been sthe Trump Presidency about that all the time. What about president obama . Hes been out of the eye and reported hes preparing to take a bill evgger role, campaign fo democrats and fund raise. I know you read about what president s do once they leave the white house. How unique is this . There is a protocol among former president s. You step down. You kind of remain quiet in the first year of your post presidency to allow your successor to get his sea legs in the job and find himself in the job. The Trump Presidency is unique because the one thing we know donald trump stands for is everything anti obama. Its probably been harder for barack obama to step back and not say anything but its important to note that not only has barack obama not spoken out directly about donald trump, neither has jimmy carter or either of the bushes during the course of the obama, the Trump Presidency. So its not unusual for a president to step back, but i think its likely to see barack obama get more involved, if not taking on trump directly, but certainly to get more involved with his party as it relates to the future of the democratic process. You know, i just found myself wondering as youre talking about that how three years from now or seven, how this president will behave if he does in t

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