we were in a german dance group. i wore lederhosen. so i just started poking around on ancestry. then, i decided to have my dna tested through ancestry dna. it turns out i'm scottish. so, i traded in my lederhosen for a kilt. hey, good day, everyone. i'm alex witt at msnbc world headquarters. it's 1:01 in the east. 10:01 in the west. he's tweeting again. president trump tweets about north korea and seems to dismiss diplomacy all together. what does he mean by wheel. do what has to be done? >> anthem watch. will nfl players stage another league-wide kneeling protest. we're watching the sidelines. >> catching heat, the sunday talk shows grill the trump administration over the response to puerto rico's hurricane plight. >> but let's go to the nfl controversy, considering this hour we have been watching the games, and here's a look at who's taken a need so far. at the steelers and ravens game in baltimore, several ravens players kneeling before the national anthem. then what we're seeing is booing. you can hear it right there for yourself. that's in the background there. of course, last week, the steelers decided to skip the anthem all together. they remained in the locker room before their game against the bears, except for left tackle alejandro villanueva, who is a former army ranger. let's go to arlington, texas. the rams/cowboys game. we're waiting to see what happens there. all right. that's not applicable there. the protests are continuing overseas today. this morning, the miami dolphins and new orleans saints collectively took a knee ahead, not during the national anthem at their game in london. three players dill kneel during the anthem. let's go to mike vicara. he's outside the stadium where the ravens and steelers are playing. mike, reaction from fans to this whole controversy. it's been mixed, hasn't it? >> reporter: well, it has. you know, the interesting thing is, alex, that all throughout the week, on social media like youtube, you have seen both steelers and ravens fans, and keep in mind, this is a huge rivalry within the nfl. burning their jerseys. some of those folks who are lifelong fans say this is not the time or place to be protesting. they think it's disrespecting the flag. they essentially agree with president trump on many of those issues. the people who have showed up today, and their tailgating was in full force until the kickoff just moments ago, they're all wearing their jerseys. these are self-selected fans who understand the controversy and have still chosen to come here, with a couple exceptions of people i talked to. let's give a little sampling of the opinion i heard outside the stadium leading off to kickoff which happened just a few minutes ago. >> wrong time, wrong place. >> grateful. the american flag. [ inaudible ] >> come to watch football a few hours on sunday to get away from all that. so i think that's kind of my stand on it. i would like to see the players do more after, like i understand the protest, but what are you doing after? are you meeting with mayors and cities? are you spending your game day paychecks? what are you doing after the fact? >> reporter: and president trump, of course, still stirring the pot here, alex. last night, tweeting, remember, just nine days ago, that speech in alabama where he called colin kaepernick the player who started this kneeling phenomenon an s.o.b. last night, still stirring the pot. president trump saying it's very important that nfl players stand tomorrow and always for playing our national anthem. respect our flag and our country. exclamation point. this is an ongoing problem for roger goodell, the commissioner of the nfl. and the brass of the nfl. reports all during the week saying goodell has met with players, met with owners. he spoke with the chairman, the president of the players association, who is reportedly saying that goodell wants this to end. he wants to find a way out of this. so far, we still see this hodgepodge of protests. you mentioned 9:30 this morning eastern time in london when that game kicked off overseas, three dolphins players kneeling. most players now appearing to choose to kneel before the anthem and stand with linked arms as the anthem is playing. still sort of a grab bag and a mixed reaction from the players. and certainly from the fans. alex. >> okay, mike, thank you so much. appreciate that live report. to continue the conversation, i'm joined by jarvis green and by boston globe sports columnist dan shaunse, also correspondent for the journal review, erin mcpike. jarvis, i'm going to reach out to you first. i want to get your reaction to what we saw in london this morning. most players standing for the national anthem, logging arms. you had three players from the dolphins kneeling during the anthem. what do you think of that kind of protest? >> well, i mean, first of all, i support the guys kneeling. being part of a team, you know, unity, and i know many times we were in a situation where we had to come together as one team. and when they're kneeling, they're not disrespecting the flag. it's about equality. they're getting a message across. and just the things that we believe in, as athletes, working together as a team and being one. >> so okay, dan. the fact that most players knelt also before the national anthem. do you think that might be some kind of a compromise with the president? or what about the locking of arms? is that also something of a compromise? people take such offense at the kneeling, but locking arms is showing a unity in the protest and what they're trying to say, and we're talking about it. >> i think the word compromise is fitting here. in both instances. i think that there was a meeting in new york this week where the commissioner brought a lot of people together, players, owners, et cetera, trying to have a policy on this. i think in new england today, i'm not there today, i'm talking to you. i expect you will see some kneeling before and then during the anthment, everybody locking arms. the teams are trying to have a united message here. they're not necessarily protesting against the president, but it looks as if they're trying to have a stand so that they can apiece their fans. they were booing here in foxborough last week. fans booed this action when 18 players took a knee during the anthem last week. the league is concerned about that. that's what you're seeing addressed today. >> seeing some booing and hearing that just a couple minutes ago there in baltimore. erin, you have the president who sent out another tweet last night. very important for nfl players to stand during the national anthem. is there any indication he's willing to let this go and move on to something else? >> no, not at all. in fact, alex, i want to point out that the columbia journalism review, which is a gold standard of standards for media coverage, actually said this week that the press should start calling president trump a racist because that is what he's doing here. and one of the things that i think really upset me throughout this past week is seeing a bunch of white men say on twitter that they don't want to see any politics in their sports, they just want to watch nfl games and not have to deal with this. i thought that was revolting for a lot of these people to say, as if nfl players don't have a right to take some sort of stand here. of course they do. >> so jarvis, how do you weigh the legitimate concerns of the players about injustice and inequality, factions of racism, and hearing some fans boo? does it hurt the league? >> no, it doesn't hurt the league at all. we all are reading the facts. remember a time when i played, we didn't go out for the national anthem. we were in the locker room. we heard the noise, we heard the pass through. we know the situation, what's going on. again, people do have to remember, we have freedom of speech. we do. we all have an opinion. at the same time, it's about unity. it's about equality in america and for things we stand on. so going back to a year ago, when kaepernick, you know, took a knee, it was just him. you know, and i think at the same time, he took a lot for it. but now we're together. we're holding hands for the message to get across to america. but the booing part of it, again, we're all human beings. we watch the game, we support the game, we love the game. we love the flag. i mean, look, my dad, uncles, great uncles, grand fathers served in war. i believe in the american way and everything that's going on, but again, we're talking about equality. >> okay, jarvis, pretty clear on that statement. i appreciate that. dan, what about you? what do you think about the way management from the nfl, the owners, roger goodell, have all responded to the controversy? >> well, the owners don't want them doing this. but the owners also are americans. they're good americans. and they know that they have the right to do this. they're in kind of a bind there. that's why you're seeing the sensitivity. i expect the situation in new england changed today from last week. last week, 18 guys kneeled. i don't think you saw it today. i don't know it because i'm not there, but the message this week was everybody do the same thing. that's how we'll present this, lock arms and you have some kind of compromise. the president has achieved what he wanted to do here, evidently, which is again, divide the nation. the subject itself had pretty much fizzled out. until ten days ago when the president brought it back, and now we're sitting here talking about it again, and people are booing at stadiums and players are forced to make a choice. >> so in the end, and this is to all three of you, erin first. who wins this debate? >> you know, alex, i think that's a really good question. but what is clear here is with what is going on, what the president has done is forced a situation, is forcing everyone to confront this problem, to come together over it, and to hopefully push past it. i actually saw dave chappelle, who is doing a show and a tour in washington, d.c. right now, and that's actually how he ended his show. and i have heard some people say this, that they're optimistic that this will force people to take more of a stand. and one of the things i think is really important about what's going on right now between nba stars like lebron james and steph curry and others and so many of the people in the nfl right now, they're celebrities who are speaking from their hearts about an important issue. it is not just like the end of a campaign where you will see celebrities who are surrogates for a candidate and you'll hear a lot of political analysts say they really can't get anybody to the polls. this is a deeper issue when celebrities are speaking from the heart and are trying to move an issue forward. i think this is a very big moment in our country. and i'm hopeful that things will be better going forward because of this moment. >> okay. dan, what about you? who do you think wins in the end? >> well, i think defining the issue is part of the problem. the players haven't successfully defined what exactly they're protesting. people are taking it as they're being anti-american. no, they're not. they're being pro-american by doing something they're allowed to do. this is the thing that our fathers fought for. it's a very confused message. it's been confused by the president. he's tried to draw everybody into an argument which is you either are pro-american or anti-american. that's not what it really is about. >> jarvis, you know a lot about winning. who do you think wins this debate? >> i think no one wins, but for us as players, being a former player, we have a short stage. it's not like we can go and boycott in front of the fence with the cardboards and talking about different things. i mean, this is their moment. i mean, everybody watching the national anthem before the kickoff, and the guys that take anywhere knee. any other time, the guys have to go back to work. >> okay. >> that's my opinion. >> i got it. jarvis green, dan shaughnessy, erin mcpike, thank you so much. appreciate the conversation. >> we're going to go to breaking news and the president's tweet that seems to undercut the efforts of his secretary of state to ease tensions with north korea. let's go to kelly o'donnell standing by in new jersey. it's about 15 minutes away from the president's golf club in bedminster. another good day to you. what are we to make of these new tweets? >> reporter: well, we see sometimes, alex, that the president's twitter feed is kind of like kindling, it sparks conversations. it happened with the nfl issues. we also saw in the last 48 hours or so with his criticism of the mayor of san juan and talking about the response in puerto rico. and perhaps for distraction, perhaps reacting to a new development from secretary of state rex tillerson, the president is taking a position that seems truly at odds with the intent of the secretary of state, who has talked about trying to have a diplomatic resolution to the conflict with north korea. their nuclear provocations, the danger that poses to our allies in asia, in the region, and of course, to the united states because of the threats that north korea could have a capability to reach with its missiles. some part of the united states, whether it's guam, hawaii, or the mainland. so the president today using twitter to send a message, very publicly, to rex tillerson, who began yesterday telling the public that there was a new channel of communication with north korea. not talks, not negotiations, but a set-up to communicate directly with north korea and not go through the chinese as an intermediary, for example. the president tweets, i told rex tillerson, our wonderful secretary of state, he's wasting his time trying to negotiate with little rocket man. save your energy, rex. we'll do what needs to be done. well, what does that mean? do what needs to be done. we have seen economic sanctions in place. those have gotten more strict, tighter. the intention there to cut off the financing that north korea could use to promulgate its program. or, is he referring to a military option? we saw at the united nations general assembly where he talked about if provoked, if north korea warrants a military response, that the united states has the capability to utterly destroy north korea. very provocative language from the president. especially against a foreign leader, kim jong-un, who also uses provocative language and has been perceived to be someone who when challenged always pushes back. alex. >> okay, kelly, thank you so much for that. everyone, we have breaking news. new information now about the effort to get aid to those who desperately need it in puerto rico. mariana atense yeah is joining me on the phone. mariana, i know you have been embedded with fema. talk about where you have gone, what all you have seen. >> reporter: alex, i'm talking to you from two blackhawks about to take off. i apologize about the quality of the phone call. i have been touring the two islands with federal buchanan, a three-star general. appointed to lead the relief efforts here in puerto rico. the governor of puerto rico is also here. when you get here on the ground, they depend on the bigger island. the sense of devastation, isolation for the people, american citizens who live here, is just incredibly, incredibly shocking. ee we saw long lines for fuel, for water as we were flying overhead. we saw a lot of devastation. people are riding ponies to try to get from one place to another. they tell us there's been a lot of looting here. a lot of security concerns. in the bigger island of puerto rico because people are looting the ports. they're looting gas that are here. and federal buchanan and the governor met with the mayors from both islands to really for one of the first times listen to the growing list of u.s. citizens telling us exactly what they need. police officers are one of the things they ask for. also, everything they need from medicine to food, absolutely everything needs to come by boat or air from bigger islands. so just imagine seeing out of puerto rico, imagine that time in the satellite islands. i'll bring you those images tomorrow for msnbc. >> okay, mariana. thank you very much. clearly, there's a level of mayhem. she was talking about security concerns among everything else. so thank you for phoning in with the very latest there. you have those couple blackhawk helicopt helicopters. >> in just a moment, breaking news out of france. a deadly attack at a busy train station. we have a live report straight ahead. for your heart... your joints... or your digestion... so why wouldn't you take something for the most important part of you... your brain. with an ingredient originally found in jellyfish, prevagen is now the number one selling brain health supplement in drug stores nationwide. prevagen. the name to remember. for over 100 years like kraft has,natural cheese you learn a lot about what people want. honey, do we have like a super creamy cheese with taco spice already in it? oh, thanks. bon appe-cheese! okay... has gotten to know our business so well that is feels like he's a part of our team. with one phone call, he sets me up with tailored products and services. and when my advisor is focused on my tech, i can focus on my small business. ♪ a dell advisor can help you choose the right products with powerful intel® core™ processors. ♪ we have this breaking news now out of france. a deadly attack, two people stabbed by a knife-wielding man, but he did not get away. let's get to lucy kafanov in our london bureau. what more can you tell us about this? >> reporter: that's right, alex. another day of terror in france. it appears two women were stabbed and killed at the st. charles station in marseille. the attacker, we don't know much about other than the fact he was a male. he's said to have shouted god is great as he carried out this attack. he was shot dead by french security services. france's national police tweeted that the situation at the train station had been resolved. the perpetrator was, they quote, saying neutralized and shot down. we also did get some reaction from the french president, emanuel macron, who wrote on twitter, quote, profoundly outraged by this barbaric act. in pain with the families and relatives of the marseille victims. i salute the police officers who acted with cold blood and efficiency. we also heard from the interior minister of france who said this time they cannot confirm whether this is a terrorist attack. this is the same train station where the four american students were attacked with acid two weeks ago by a mentally ill woman. today's attack obviously unrelated, but we did see a swift police response, in part because of the sentinel program the french president was referring to, which does see combat troops patrolling the streets, protecting key sites as part of france' ongoing state of emergency. >> thank you for that from london. meantime, back stateside, o.j. simpson is a free man. the nevada department of corrections released a photograph of simpson just before his release after midnight local time. in july, the nfl hall of famer won patrol after serving nine years of a 33-year sentence for robbery. simpson's attorney says he plans to live in florida. i spoke with pam bondi who said they're going to keep a very close eye on simpson if that happens. >> folks, wherever he is, use your cell phone. if you see him drinking, if you see him misbehaving, you let us know because in florida, our law enforcement officers. our department of corrections are going to hold his feet to the fire and he's going to have to comply with our laws. >> steve patterson is joining us from las vegas. with a good day to you, what all are we hearing from corrections officials on the release, the timing, and what's next for o.j. simpson? >> corrections officers here in the state of nevada made it very clear that this was all about control. they wanted to control the timing of this. they wanted to control the access. and they wanted to control the optics. they did that in one fell swoop, basically by having this at a very unusual time and place. o.j. simpson released on parole at 12:08 a.m. on a sunday morning. in lovelock, the place where he spent nine years for that botched armed robbery. they did that basically because they said they wanted to avoid a public conflict or incident because the crowds would be too big. they did that basically because they said they wanted to avoid a media circus by not also having it at a corrections facility that would be closer to the origin of the crime. so now we believe o.j. simpson was released to an unknown person, taken to an unknown location. the prevailing relief is he's somewhere in the state of nevada, basically because of the process of elimination. no request of transfer to a place like florida. you mentioned pam bondi. we think o.j. might be. he has lived there before. he has friends there. it seems like a sensible location. or to california. a state in which conjures up obviously images of the trial of the century. '94, the bronco chase. '95, the acquittal that divided the country. obviously, that conjures up images of that. we spoke, like you said, to o.j. simpson's attorney. he says, look, my client is now 70 years old. he just wants to live the rest of his life in peace, with friends and family. to what degree he can do that, a man so famous and so infamous with this story, remains to be seen. as does when he will resurface and where. back to you. >> both of those things remain to be seen. steve patterson, thank you so much. >> is the trump tax cut really a miracle for the middle class? we'll ask a republican from the house budget committee next. during the yellow tag sales event, you can get $3,500 off a hard day's play... $700 off select mud spa packages for two... and up to $1,300 off family packs of venison. ( ♪ ) save on a world of possibilities with deals on select 2017 can-am vehicles. only until october 31st at your local can-am dealer. ( ♪ ) thank you so much. thank you! so we're a go? yes! we got a yes! what does that mean for purchasing? purchase. let's do this. got it. book the flights! hai! si! si! ya! ya! ya! what does that mean for us? we can get stuff. what's it mean for shipping? ship the goods. you're a go! you got the green light. that means go! oh, yeah. start saying yes to your company's best ideas. we're gonna hit our launch date! (scream) thank you! goodbye! let us help with money and know-how, so you can get business done. american express open. so you can get business done. can we at least analyze can we push the offer online? legacy technology can handcuff any company. but "yes" is here. the new app will go live monday? yeah. with hewlett-packard enterprise, we're transforming the way we work. with the right mix of hybrid it, everything computes. your cwrong car... oh, i'm so sorry about that. you guys wanna check it out? it's someone else's car... what is this? it's the all-new chevy equinox. this feels like a luxury suv. your car's here. bummer. do we have to take that one back? wah-wah can i take this one home? current qualified chevrolet lessees can get this all-new 2018 chevy equinox lt for around $199 a month. or, get twenty-five hundred total cash allowance. find new roads at your local chevy dealer. welcome back, everyone. i'm alex witt here at msnbc world headquarters. we're monitoring the devastation in puerto rico. the u.s. military is ramping up relief efforts 11 days after hurricane maria tore through the island. we'll get to tammy leitner in just a moment. she's going to talk to us about the lines she's seeing outside of the grocery stores and the like. we spoke with mariana atencio, and she was talking about the presence of looters there, but she was embedded with fema, and they had two blackhawk helicopters trying to bring in supplies and to survey the damage there, all of this of course information and fact finding to give the president before he heads there on tuesday. >> we're going to go right now to the football game in london this morning. most players standing for the national anthem, but they did lock arms. three players for the dolphins knelt during the anthem. joining me, florida congressman matt gates. republican member of the house armed services judiciary and budget committees. welcome to you, sir. i know you have weighed in on the nfl protests and you're in fact quoted as suggesting that taxpayers are being ripped off for their money subsuidizing teams with protesting players. can you explain what you mean by that? >> nfl players are certainly able to protest under the first amendment. i think they ought to do it on their own time and on their own dime. right now, one of the special interest loopholes in our tax code allows the league offices of professional sports league to avoid paying taxes. that's crazy. that's a special interest giveaway that the small businesses in my district certainly don't have access to. so i have introduced legislation to abolish the special tax exemption that the nfl enjoys and that all other professional sports leagues enjoy. i think that's fair for folks on main street and folks in the middle class. >> how much do you think this reflects colleagues within your side of the caucus there in the house, and i do note that this particular legislation, isn't the the same one jason chaffetz proposed but since he left, you're picking up the ball? >> that's correct. the pro sports act was sponsored by jason chaffetz. it had been orphaned on his departure from congress and it's an orphan no more. there's no rational reason why league offices of professional sports leagues that collectively generate about $2 billion in revenue should get a special tax benefit. i think it's in line with the overall objectives of the tax reform that the president wants to see and that the congress wants to see. we want a tax system that doesn't pick winners and losers, that has lower fair flat rates that are easy to understand, and that will generate the type of dynamic economic growth that we need to see in the country. >> isn't your beef, though, with the overall breaks in the tax code for sports leagues in general? why single out african-american players who are protesting racial injustice? >> well, this doesn't single out anyone. this legislation that i've taken over from congressman chaffetz would apply equally to all professional sports leagues, but certainly when you see a sports league like the nfl embrace what i perceive to be very unpatriotic activity, it leads to the question, why would we give folks that are engaged in this anti-americanism some special break? it makes no sense. we sometimes use the tax code to try to achieve some social objective. frankly, that's not been something we have been successful at as a country. but why would we give them a special break? so that's why i propose eliminating the break for everyone. >> i'm curious, quickly, with these protests we have seen today, sir, as you know last week, there was a lot of taking the knee. the president opposing that specifically, saying it disrespects our flag. today, it's a little different. we're seeing players lock their arms in solidarity. that's been the depekz, as opposed to taking a knee. how do you feel about that expression? >> you have been covering that. i don't really get it. i mean, i get they're trying to express unity, but unity for what? and it highlights one of the real problems with this whole protest deal in the nfl. >> i think they have been clear with what the unity is about. they're saying it's about racial injustice, about injustice across this country on many, many levels. i think they have been pretty clear about that. that's what the locking of the arms is implying. >> i'll make this offer. i'm a member of the house judiciary committee that over sees these issues. any member of the nfl, player, representatives who want to talk about rel reforms, my door is open. but that's not what we have seen. we haven't see any proposal for solutions. any change that would lead to greater equality or greater justice. all we have seen is this highly overgeneralized indictment of the country. when you kneel for the anthem, it's not localized or specific to racial inequality. that's a sign of disrespect to all of my constituents serving overseas to protect our freedom and protect our country's interests. getting more specific about what changes nfl players would like to see would be productive. it would enhance bipart zn unity on issues we could all add solutions to. this is indictment of america and they don't deserve a special tax break when they're doing it. >> with those i have spoken with, it's not an dierment of our flag or our military. it's about the things we have said before. >> they're kneeling for the flag, alex. look, they're not making any statement about racial equality. they're not proposing any solutions. they're just getting out there like overpaid prima donnas kneeling while the national anthem is playing. while we have veterans reflecting upon their service to the country. i think it's very, like, it's a very imprecise indictment. why not get to the actual issues you want to solve? >> congressman, look, i understand that it's your opinion, and i respect that you have that opinion. i will say those with whom i have spoken, the opinion is not reflected in what you're saying. that said, i do want to talk about taxes with you because a majority of your constituents make between $35,000 and $59,000 a year. this is according to a nonpartisan tax policy institute. the tax break with this middle class miracle, as it's being called by the president, would be between $290 to $660, compared to the top 1% making $732,000 a year, getting $129,000 a year of a tax break. how does this not sound like a tax cut for the rich? >> well, there are all kinds of great opportunities for the middle class in this tax bill. i don't think that the numbers you have just cited reflect the benefit that will befall all americans when we have dynamic economic growth. i mean, just when we bring the trillions of dollars that are currently sitting overseas back into the american economy, that means that those middle-class folks in my district will have wage growth. it will mean that they have more security in their existing jobs and a platform to achieve more prosperity and more economic opportunity. so we can't just look at tax reform in a static way where we calculate the exact dollars you'll get back tomorrow in your paycheck. you have to look at the conditions for economic growth that will be the rising tide that will lift all boats and lift up all americans. the democrats in congress -- >> why not give proportionately to all americans the same level of tax cuts? >> well, because we're giving more tax cuts to the middle class. when you enhance the child tax credit, that disproportionately helped the middle class. when you double the standard exemption, as this blueprint does, that helped the middle class more. this is just a blueprint. it's important to note, there is no bill drafted. there's no law about to be voted on. i'll tell you this. the president of the united states is pushing on congress to insure that there's not a real windfall for the wealthy. that the real growth that comes as a consequence of this tax cut will be felt in the paychecks and rising wages and enhanced opportunities for regular people in this country who just want to follow the rules. you know, regular folks don't need a 70,000 page tax code. that exists for the special interests and the connected. by simplifying the tax code, it will create more opportunities for the middle class. >> thanks so much for joining me. i appreciate your insights. more now on the devastation in puerto rico. the u.s. military is ramping up relief efforts 11 days after hurricane maria tore through the island. tammy leitner is right there in san juan. long lines outside the grocery stores. you have been reporting on that all day. what are you seeing now? the same? >> a steady stream of people coming into this grocery store. they don't have any frozen items or any refrigerated items. and this is something we haven't seen. come over here. i want to show you. this line is for western union. people tell me it's about two hours long. and that's to get money sent to them from other places. here, we've got chairs set up for people to take a rest. it is hot out here. i can tell you that. now, this third line, this is the grocery line. you can see it's about 75 people, 100 people deep. they're moving people through pretty quick. about 15 at a time, but most of the people that are in line here, a lot of them have come from another grocery store where their generator went down, so they had to close. that's the situation right now on the ground. alex. >> doesn't appear to be a good one. thank you for the latest, nonetheless. coming up next, roger stone speaking about grilling on capitol hill on the russia probe. congressman denny heck joins me next to give his impressions. what's critical thinking like? a basketball costs $14. what's team spirit worth? (cheers) what's it worth to talk to your mom? what's the value of a walk in the woods? the value of capital is to create, not just wealth, but things that matter. morgan stanley i can't wait for her to have that college experience that i had. the classes, the friends, the independence. and since we planned for it, that student debt is the one experience, i'm glad she'll miss when you have the right financial advisor, life can be brilliant. ameriprise trump's surrogate roger stone went before the house intelligence committee on tuesday. here's what he said after the three-hour grilling. >> i expressed my view that i'm aware of no evidence whatsoever of collusion by the russian state or anyone in the trump campaign. or anyone associated with donald trump. >> joining me now is washington congressman denny heck, member of the house intel committee. always good to talk with you. i think it's fair to say that roger stone has a flair for the theatrical, but what more can you tell us about his testimony? >> obviously, i can't reveal anything that went on during the three hours of my life that i'll never get back, alex. we're glad he came in. he left out, as he said publicly later, a very important piece of information in which he claimed -- he claimed that as a member of the media, he was entitled to protection. and for him to say he's a journalist is about like me saying i'm a theoretical physicist, it isn't the case. more important things happened on the russia investigation in the last few weeks that should be noted. mr. spicer hired an attorney, a criminal defense expert attorney. and vice president pence sent his attorney to the mueller investigation and said we're here to cooperate. in fact, something even more significant, i think, is around the corner. and that is when facebook and twitter and google come in, and we're going to talk about these digital ads that were placed by the russian government and by agents on behalf of the russian government. frankly, i think that's huge because when you stop and think about it, it's an incredibly inexpensive way for them to campaign against america and sow discord and unity in america. it's a time we look at the social media platforms as held to the same standard as you are, broadcast media is, and cable media is with respect to transparency and openness about who's buying the ads. >> can i ask about roger stone with regards to under oath. was his testimony under oath, and would you like him to come back and publicly testify? >> all testimony before congress is presumed to be under oath. but yes, all the witnesses that have come before us, and there have been considerable, and there are considerable more to come, are placed under oath. >> okay. let me talk about what the hill has reported, that special counsel bob mueller has begun interviews of white house staffers. question national security chief of staff general keith kellogg. what do you know about this? does this dovetell into what the house intel committee is looking into? >> so, again, i think all of these efforts, frankly, both that of the house and the senate, as well as director mueller, as well as the state's efforts, all of these things have a synergistic effort. my sense of this is, at least for director mueller's purposes, he's closing in. but this is football sunday, alex. in light of that, i would tell you that we're like in the second quarter of all of this. it's going to take a while, but we're making progress. and at the end of the day, we have to take as much time as is required to get to the facts. >> so let's see what kind of facts you can give me about jared kushner's use of a personal e-mail for official business. did he not disclose this to congressional investigators, and should, as previous guests on my broadcast today, should his security clearance be reviewed for taking that risk and potentially revoked or suspended at least? >> as is publicly reported, mr. kushner was in for his interview before the house intel committee. another two-plus hours of my life i won't get back. but the point is that i cannot reveal what went on in that hearing. i will say that the one thing interestingly enough that we have not heard since this revelation this week that he had a use of private e-mails for the conduct of public business. i heard nobody from the white house chant "lock him up." >> okay. you did mention facebook, google. we also have senator mark warner saying he was not happy with the cooperation the committee got from twitter. do you think social media was the key to possible russian collusion in 2016? and are those companies likely to admit their roles? >> so there is no question that there was a considerable amount of resource expended in order to influence the outcome of the election. at the end of the day, whether or not that was the difference maker in an extremely close election is unknowable because we can't fast rewind and do a controlled test. what we know is that we are under attack politically by russia. in this and other ways. we know that they will continue to do this. we know they are doing it elsewhere. and we know the tools with which they do this are readily available to other nation states and nonstate actors. it's all the more important reason we have this discussion with the social media platform companies about the ways in which we need to change our laws, modernize our laws, in order to safeguard our democracy. >> all right, washington congressman denny heck, always good to talk with you. happy sunday. coming up next, a guest of mine is going to tell me about the dark secret about the korean war that americans have not paid attention to, and at the top of the hour, "meet the press," secretary of the treasury, steve mnuchin is among chuck todd's guests. wemost familiar companies,'s but we make more than our name suggests. we're an organic tea company. a premium juice company. a coconut water company. we've got drinks for long days. for birthdays. for turning over new leaves. and we make them for every moment in every corner of the country. we are the coca-cola company, and we're proud to offer so much more. hey. what can you tell me about your new social security alerts? oh! we'll alert you if we find your social security number on any one of thousands of risky sites, so you'll be in the know. ooh. sushi. ugh. being in the know is a good thing. sign up online for free. discover social security alerts. the uncertainties of hep c. wondering, what if? i let go of all those feelings. because i am cured with harvoni. harvoni is a revolutionary treatment for the most common type of chronic hepatitis c. it's been prescribed to more than a quarter million people. and is proven to cure up to 99% of patients who have had no prior treatment with 12 weeks. certain patients can be cured with just 8 weeks of harvoni. before starting harvoni, your doctor will test to see if you've ever had hepatitis b, which may flare up and cause serious liver problems during and after harvoni treatment. tell your doctor if you've ever had hepatitis b, a liver transplant, other liver or kidney problems, hiv or any other medical conditions and about all the medicines you take including herbal supplements. taking amiodarone with harvoni can cause a serious slowing of your heart rate. common side effects of harvoni include tiredness, headache and weakness. ready to let go of hep c? ask your hep c specialist about harvoni. tweets from the president about north korea. they seem at odds with what his secretary of state suggested about talks with the north just yesterday. analysis coming up. rethink the experience. rethink your allergy pills. flonase sensimist allergy relief uses unique mistpro technology and helps block 6 key inflammatory substances with a gentle mist. most allergy pills only block one. and 6 is greater than one. rethink your allergy relief. flonase sensimist. ♪ for over 100 years like kraft has,natural cheese you learn a lot about what people want. honey, do we have like a super creamy cheese with taco spice already in it? oh, thanks. bon appe-cheese! okay... . more mixed signals about north korea. rex tillerson saying they are in contact through back channels. today the president said i told tillerson he was wasting energy. joining me now, blaine harden, author of king of spice, dark reign of american spy master in korea. hello to you. are you saying he's like more of a challenge for this u.s. president? >> i think there is a continuum there. i think north korea strategy is to survive. and it survives in part by extortion using weapons. it's used that technique to survive visa south korea but it's the same game of survival using the threat of weapons. >> so in your book you tell the story of an american spy in the koreas who was brilliant at his job but at the same time ruthless. in some ways corrupt. tell us a little bit about donald nichols? >> well, what this is book is useful for to understand that north korea in many ways is an american invention. the united states drew a line across korea in 1945 at the end of world war ii and created north and south. and the deal was done. the soviets took the north. and we took the south. donald nichols was the spy who came into the country almost immediately after that line was drawn. he learned the language. he became the preeminent intelligence expert for the american military. he was there before the war. during the war. and after the war. he was a war hero. but he was also very close to sigmund reid puppet in south korea who was involved in killing his enemies up to 100,000 of them. and nichols was very much involved in that through plmass executions. >> can you tell the dark secret of the north korean war that americans have not paid tensi attention to. >> i think americans have to understand the creation of the place. when the north korean north korea started it, americans fought back with, they were confused at firks but then they organized their bombers, and they willry pummelled north korea for three years, almost constantly with carpet bombing. that punishment has given the kim family a narrative that they continued to use to this day to justify repression. what they say is, you know, sure it's dark and cold and poor in north korea, but we have to work hard to protect you from those americans. you remember what they did during the korean war? they may welcome again. >> right. >> that's their narrative. >> how do you see, based on history, you can tell me about 20 seconds, how do you see this playing out? can you predict anything from history? >> from history you can see north korea is interested in presoepr preserving itself using extortion on its neighbors, and will soon be able to reach the united statesment and i this i that's the game they are playing. game they've always been playing. >> thank you. i appreciate the book. and also your op ed in the new york times. thanks for watching "meet the press." steve mnuchin is the next guest. liberty mutual stood with me when this guy got a flat tire in the middle of the night, so he got home safe. yeah, my dad says our insurance doesn't have that. what?! you can leave worry behind when liberty stands with you™. liberty mutual insurance. when food is good and clean and real, it's ok to crave. and with panera catering, there's more to go around. panera. food as it should be. can we at least analyze can we push the offer online? legacy technology can handcuff any company. but "yes" is here. the new app will go live monday? yeah. with hewlett-packard enterprise, we're transforming the way we work. with the right mix of hybrid it, everything computes. for 100 years, heritage and innovation have made gillette the #1 shave in america. now get gillette quality at lower prices -- every day. brought to you by 1200 workers in boston -- we're proud of giving you our best. gillette. the best a man can get. money managers are pretty much the same. all but while some push high commission investment products, fisher investments avoids them. some advisers have hidden and layered fees. fisher investments never does. and while some advisers are happy to earn commissions from you whether you do well or not, fisher investments fees are structured so we do better when you do better. maybe that's why most of our clients come from other money managers. fisher investments. clearly better money management. this sunday disaster and response. the mayor of san juan, puerto rico latches out at the trump administration over recovery effort. >> we are dying and you are killing with the inefficiency. president trump hits back. >> the loss of life, it's always tragic, but it's been incredible the results that we've had with respect to loss of life. and tweets, they want everything to be done for them. we'll have a report from puerto rico this morning. plus promises, promises. the republicans say their tax plan gives everyone a tax cut, won't favor the wealthy, and won't increase the

Related Keywords

New York , United States , Miami , Florida , Alabama , Nevada , Arlington , Texas , Washington , Boston , Massachusetts , China , California , Whitehouse , District Of Columbia , Togo , Russia , Guam , London , City Of , United Kingdom , Puerto Rico , Germany , New Jersey , North Korea , South Korea , France , Hawaii , Americans , America , Chinese , Soviets , Russian , Korea , French , North Korean , German , American , Mariana Atencio , Steve Patterson , Dave Chappelle , Baltimore Erin , Roger Goodell , Tammy Leitner , Dan Shaughnessy , Lebron James , Keith Kellogg , Bob Mueller , Pam Bondi , Chuck Todd , Las Vegas , Donald Nichols , Alex Witt , Kim Jong , Rex Tillerson , Puertorico Mariana , Jarvis Green ,