virus on to the mask and breathed it in. >> in the wake of his positive diagnosis, nancy pelosi announced that masks are now required on the house chamber. both the house and senate are muling over whether to employ rapid testing. today a arizona congressman also tested positive for covid-19. it's uncertain where he contracted the virus, he did spend time this week in a hearing with congressman goaler. on thursday, herman cain passed away due to complications with the virus. herman cain was photographed at the president's rally without a mask on. on friday, president trump denied the possibility that herman cain could have contracted the virus at his rally. later in florida, he and many of his followers didn't even bother to wear masks. the president continued his mixed messages this week with a number of combative press conferences, his main focussed seemed to be casting doubt on the american electoral process. in an a tweet, trump mused whether the presidential election should be postponed. an idea immediately panned by the fcc commissioner. even some fellow republicans openly accused the president of displaying fascist tendencies. while the president casts doubt on on our elections americans continue to suffer. tonight more than 30 million have been depending on enhanced unemployment are wondering if and when the government will come to their rescue. earlier today on capitol hill, some encouraging signs emerged from meetings between republicans and democrats. >> we saw yesterday the numbers that talked about the impact on the gdp and what we're doing is not only trying to arrest the virus, but to invest in the economy as we help america's working families. so today was productive in terms of moving us forward. >> but with both sides still far apart on the major issues, prospects for relief in the near future seem grim. the bottom appears to be falling out from our economy. on thursday economists detailed what is the most catastrophic three-month collapse on record with gdp falling nearly 10% in the second quarter and wiping out five years of gains. it's against this backdrop that joe biden is poised to announce his pick for a running mate. his announcement is set to come in the next two weeks. for more on biden's veep stakes i want to bring the former senior aid to the elizabeth warren 2020 and founder and principle of rivera consulting. the stakes are high. they could not be any higher. set against this backdrop, the biden campaign is going to choose who his running mate will be. if you're inside that room, what is the argument you are making for who he should choose to run with him? >> well, the reality is i do not envy anybody within that room. it's a tough decision. i'm sure they have heard from many voices. yes, there are a lot of people saying they want a black woman vice president. they are people saying someone who has the policies that will push our country forward when it comes to economic security, housing security, all the things we know will impact black america. there are people who saying they want systemic change when they come to racism. and some of the people making the argument are making the case that elizabeth warren is the one that will do that. let me be clear, it's not -- anybody else. but it is saying that, yes, we are concerned about who people of color will be excited about. black folks will be excited about a black candidate and excited about someone who has the policies that enact the change we need so desperately in the moment. >> do you agree with her assessment? >> what i would say is that regardless of who the vp nominee is, i would say the biden campaign needs to understand this is what we have at stake here we cannot run a traditional presidential candidate. i think the vp short list is an amazing list of candidates. you can say some have shortcomings. you can say others have other strengths depending on which part of the electorate we're talking about. are we talking about wisconsin or pennsylvania or new states like georgia or texas that could possibly be in the mix? what i say is that we actually have to rewrite the whole playbook all together. regardless of who the nominee is, americans need to understand that we're in a very unique moment in this electoral ecosystem. before covid, the ecosystem was already shifting. the blue wave was a great application -- kang. -- indicate. and the ongoing efforts by the gop and the trump administration to effectively steal the election. >> you talked a little about senator warren, of course, you worked for and one of the pieces of pushback being there are some believe it needs to be a woman of color. specifically a black woman on the ticket with joe biden. there's also another argument you hear pushback against senator warren which is she's too progressive and potentially scares off some of the soft republicans that you may be able to bring to the table. should it be a legitimate argument against her being chosen as vp? >> there was an avalanche poll on july 22nd that said among the cause on the short list, she does the best with undecided voters across ages and races. she does well in the swing states among rural voters and urban voters. there's an argument to be made she can pull people into the common ground when it comes to progressive issues that some people are saying -- there are a lot of people who support senator warren who wouldn't identify themselves as a progressive but understand she has the policies that will bring our economy back and will bring our housing -- out of our housing crisis as well as the coronavirus crisis. i would agree she also brings the piece of campaign style that is unconventional. she wants to make sure people are getting out there safely in the midst of the pandemic but out there and knocking doors and making phone calls. she did a fund-raiser with the biden campaign and outside of president obama, she has been his most prolific fund-raiser. she's bringing people further along on some of the complicated issues that some people are saying are too left for the party. she has brought them into a way where more people are agreeing on them and that was something i would want in any running mate. whether it's her or whoever it may be. with the solutions we need for black america and for all americans in the midst of what we're dealing with is someone with bold, progressive change >>well, i want you to take a look at the ad from the committee to defend the president. it's airing in florida. [ speaking in a foreign language ] for those not fluent in spanish, hopefully you saw the sub titles. what it's getting at there's disinformation in the ad saying that former vice president biden promised his vp pick will be a black woman. that is not true. it is suggesting that he did not vet latinos. we know had been speaking about it. there's a mess happening there. it's my sense watching the ad that the intent is to depress the vote. right. to say to latinos, joe biden isn't for you and not necessarily to pull them over to vote for president trump but to get them to stay home. what did you make of that ad? >> look, it's strategic and purposeful. that's what i would say. i think it's exactly the point that i made earlier around the political environment that we're in. i think it's important recognition that latino voters especially southern states represent a swing electorate in many states that can flip a state or not flip a state for one presidential candidate or the other. i think the other reality is that latino voters more than any other constituency right now in the electorate has a higher percentage of people that are actually undecided and that are not necessarily motivated even in this environment. i think what people have to understand is this kind of division and race -- that's exactly the kind of strategy that feeds into the republican machine. it's why it's so important, again, that whoever the vp nominee is, that both the biden campaign and whoever that woman becomes, because i think it does need to be a woman, clearly, is they both understand it's going to be a multilayered approach. we'll need movement organization like black vehicles matter in the south to be turning out the vote the same way we need, you know, former governors like duvall patrick going to south carolina to make sure that people are energized to vote. and the recognition that we have to share that narrative with the country. we can't be running just to defeat trump. it won't be enough to motivate folks that are literal think in the front line of not just the pandemic but have been before this happened. i think we need to boiling things down as one candidate versus the other and speak to values of equity, security, so question speak to the american people regardless of whether they're latino or black or asian-american or they're white. this is an environment where we need to be able to speak to all of us and having a nominee, excuse me, having a coalition of democrats all around the country that understand that regardless of whether it's senator warren or someone else that becomes the vp nominee, it won't be enough for biden or warren to take us over the finish line. >> you saw the news this week talking about the conversation that is being had inside the biden campaign. some advisors making the argument that senator kamala harris is a number of things. unsufficiently loyal, too ambition, and all i could think is this is a preview of what pretty much any woman who biden chooses will be up against. right. that there is a certain dragging that women candidates are up against and that dragging is deeper and worse when the woman is a woman of color. i wonder watching what happened this week what it tells you. what it me views for what it is coming for whoever is the vice presidential pick. >> you made an excellent point. remember, in 2016, there were all the arguments against hillary clinton calling her a nasty woman. but i want to talk about what it is coming toward senator kamala harris who is an amazing leader. she has done so much for reproductive justice issues. i was proud of the work she did when i worked at planned parenthood years ago. it's dangerous people have this rhetoric coming from within our party, from white men against black women. and putting her against congresswoman karen bass. we shouldn't be using dangerous rhetoric such as saying ambition is negative but the women have been told we should be ambition and achieve our dreams. as i said earlier, i would rather have an ambition woman in the white house and the vice president than the past 45 white men who have been vice presidents in the country. thank you. facing sagging poll numbers and mounting criticism over how he has handled the coronavirus pandemic, president trump floats the idea of moving the election. plus, a small border county in texas is ravaged by covid-19. hospitals in hidalgo are at capacity and the death toll is rising. we'll talk to one health official there about the dire situation. alhe tre about the di situation. looks like they picked the wrong getaway driver. they're going to be paying for this for a long time. they will, but with accident forgiveness allstate won't raise your rates just because of an accident, even if it's your fault. cut! sonny. was that good? 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(fireworks exploding) the monopoly tsunami is her. that's what hidalgo county judge said. it has been dubbed the hot spot of a hot spot of a hot spot by local health officials. the numbers climbed over 17,000 confirmed cases and 644 deaths. nbc pricilla thompson has the story. >> we're living a nightmare. it's real. it's frightening. it is absolutely affecting our community. >> reporter: starr county, texas had less than 10 confirmed cases when the governor reordered the state reopen in may. now they've had more than 1200. >> prior to the reopening, we were at seven positive cases, zero fatalities, zero hospitalizations. fast forward to today and the numbers are simply astounding. there's no end in sight. >> reporter: last week, texas reported five consecutive days of more than 10,000 positive cases. and saw four of its deadliest days since the outbreak began. numbers that are especially scary in communities like this one. >> we're looking at uninsured, under insured, high prevalence of diabetes, hypertension, obesity, and all the risk factors impact our community. >> reporter: the small community on the u.s./mexico border is almost entirely hispanic. a group that is dieing from covid-19 at a higher rate than white americans. the lone hospital within a 50-mile radius serves roughly 65,000 people. it has 48 beds and no intensive care unit. >> right now we are at full capacity. you know, our covid area. i don't think this is getting better. the numbers are consistently going up. >> reporter: as hospitals across the state reach capacity, small rural facilities like this one are being pushed to the brink. this doctor is a county health authority. >> we are not prepared to be managing icu patients. it's been impossible to transfer the patients. >> reporter: vasquez said the hospital needs more staff and oxygen tanks allowing them to send some patients home. he fears what could come next. >> the worst case for me it will be the time when all of our beds are full. where we don't have anymore ventilators to offer and to see patients dying in the emergency room. >> reporter: how close do you feel things are here? >> i don't think we have too much time. >> reporter: as hospitals here are working to treat covid-19 patients, texas governor greg abbott has employed federal resources to the area, including a medical task force team to help those inundated hospitals and a mass testing site, one of three in the country, to help track and contain the spread of the virus. i traveled about 50 miles east of starr county to edinburgh, texas to meet with the administrator. the location is closed and it's up to the county to continue the testing. >> there's over 1.5 million people here. not to mention the fact we are boarding another country. so continued testing is paramount. >> reporter: the u.s. has a per capita rate of infection of about four times that of mexico. >> doesn't have a border for disease. it's our culture. it's our business to have people from the united states go to mexico, work, travel, leisure time, and then return and vice versa. >> reporter: one of many concerns in a close-knit community where strong family ties can make it hard to stop the spread. >> many of our households here in hidalgo county are made up of three generations of people living in the same household. so clusters of people are being infected. >> reporter: hidalgo county bringing in funeral directors and refrigerated trailers as the death toll continues to rise. in starr county, the mayor wants what is best for his town. >> reporter: do you think governor abbott was thinking of communities like yours when he reordered the state open? >> no, i don't believe he did. however, however, we have the opportunity right now today to correct this. >> reporter: a correction that many in the rio grande valley say can't come soon enough. >> reporter: >> that was pricilla thompson reporting. for more what is happening, i want to bring in dr. ivan melendez. thank you for your time tonight. tell us a little about what you see going on in your community. >> thank you so much for asking. i'm grateful for the opportunity. we are approximately 1.2 million people in this particular county. our situation is vastly different than the county you highlighted, starr county. they have a 40-bed hospital. we have 2,000 beds. they don't have any icu. we have 250 icu beds. this community, of course, is always number one and number two and poverty, diabetes, obesity, and 40% are uninsured or not insured at all. mexico has just become the third largest population of covid patients right after the united states and brazil. we're four miles away. another time, we could hear cartel gunfire across the border. our scenario is much better than starr county, which you reported, which were forced to get helicopters to transport people every day out of their small hospital. what i think is important to know is we have medical schools, we have liver transplants, kidney transplants. we're a mecca for our medical care. so we absolutely had a very tight medical resource but our population has been before this terrible disease was sicker than most populations. so when you have a sicker population, of course your outcomes will be worse. >> go ahead, doctor. >> these continue to be extremely oppressive and we continue, those that are seeing patients, to cry every day. this morning we've already had over 25 people die. i personally have lost three people on my personal service. this morning i had a funeral director call me to go to a visit a funeral place. he was a friend of mine. very distraught because he had 90 cadavers. you know, there was a grandfather on top of a grandson waiting two to three weeks because the funeral homes have to wait two or three weeks. not because of the virus. because they don't have the ability to process these. whether it's embalming, consideration, or traditional burials. so yesterday afternoon there was a burial of someone that died two weeks ago. there were 20 cars in the cemetery by the grave site and no one got out of the car. so when they went to the car to approach the folks and say aren't you coming out of the car? their response was no, we're all family. we're infected. here we are 20 cars with infected family members. they can't get occupant of their car to participate in the process. so i've been doing this for 30 plus years and you can imagine at the end of the day after 16 to 17 hours for five months now with multiple deaths, we're using telephones to communicate with families. seeing 90 cadavers, talking to people who are having break downs, funeral directors because there's so many bodies. and all the problems that come with it, as you can imagine, during these times. it brings out the best in people. the nurses we've seen. seven to this date died. three doctors died. we also see funeral homes charging $14,000. so there are good people down here but like everywhere else, there are people who are opportunistic. the situation is being greatly helped because we have three federal teams of physicians and nurses, of course, that's a resource we need. the day after tomorrow, we open up a 50-bed hospital at a civic center that is manned by the federal and state government. so i think things -- our resources are improving. our numbers are not. and the human tragedy on a daily basis will take your breath away. >> that's horrific. dr. melendez, thank you for your time. up next a civil rights icon laid to rest. how former presidents and congressional colleagues said goodbye to john lewis. president trump is criticized by the left and right after suggesting the u.s. delay the 2020 elections. after why he's refusing to back down and continuing to raise doubts about mail in voting. g te doubts about mail in voting. groovin, and golden. and a partner who listens and acts. humana calls it human care. it's talking to a doctor from your couch, or helping you find a cheaper prescription before you ask. it's helping you fix the rugs so you don't fall, and keeping you social, online or off. it's getting to know you, so you can be your healthiest. that's our superpower. that's human care. from humana. thunlike ordinary memory want supplements-ter? 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what do you believe are the motivations behind them? >> well, very concerned. and i take them seriously in one sense and not in another. of course, the president as mitch mcconnell and others pointed out doesn't have the authority to delay the election. that's a federal law from the 1800s. he doesn't have the authority to do that. for those who make that point alone, they're kind of missing the bigger point which is that the president doesn't care what the constitution says. the president doesn't care what the law says. he wants to erode our free and fair election as he helped to do in 2016 and again in 2020. by raising the possibility the election might be delayed, he's taking further action. he's eroding or trying to erode americans' confidence in the fact that we're -- the possibility or prospects for a free and fair election in november. if he's able to successfully do that, which he may be, then there's less resistance to steps he may take using the authorities he actually has abused -- >> evan, i want you to -- i'm sorry, i want you to underline that point for me. you said if he's able to do that. what would that look like? >> well, sure. if our expectations is that the election in 2020 may not be free and fair and secure, then he can do things like, for example, deploy unidentified secret police like he's done in portland to intimidate voters. and i think what portland is and what he's doing elsewhere in the country, deploying federal forces, unmarked, unidentified who are abducting people on the streets may be a test run for what he may do in november leading up to the election or leading up to the election -- if that isn't checked by the people and state and local authorities, we're likely to see the president use federal forces for voter suppression on steroids to impact the outcome of the election in addition to other steps like massive disinformation and that kind of thing. i think that's what he's testing. by eroding our confidence in the election, or there will be an election, that makes it a little bit easier for him to abuse his power in that way. >> stefanie, your work runs completely counter to what the president is saying. about engaging more people in the process. i wonder from your approach both how damaging these remarks are and, also, then how an effort like yours can counter them. >> yes, thank you for having me. look, this is a complete distractions. right. the fact that we're not talking about ways in which people can participate in this election and this electoral process. the fact we're not talking about how the senate has not put any funding toward the election to ensure that people can vote fairly and safely. we're talking about the wrong things here. i think that's what some people want. when we vote as a nonpartisan organization, as you said we're on a mission to increase voter participation and talking about these things that cannot happen like postponing an election is a complete distractions. also, talking about vote by mail being fraudulent is also a complete distractions and a factless comment by the president to create potentially more confusion, which is is a form of voter suppression. we want to help voters, number one, get registered. number two, engage and mobilize and organize their communities and get ready to vote. either by mail or in person. and early. so we want to create those avenues. we want to create more access and not less access. we don't want to focus on these types of distractions from anyone. the president or anyone else. it's imperative we attack this. right. we attack the misinformation at hand but that we move on and focus on what is important. that's getting americans registered and getting them ready to vote. >> evan, i fully take stefanie's point that it is potentially a distractions. i also think we're in a moment where we're doing norm setting and part of that norm setting is creating the expectations if there's an increased value of mail in voting that we may not have results on election eve as we're accustomed to doing. how do you create an understanding among the american electorate about the fact that this election may look different, not only in terms of how we vote but in terms of when we know the outcome of the election >>well, simply by talking about it and using this platform to have discussions like this and stefanie's good work to educate voters and increase access and the work of other organizations to do the same. i think it is positive and what needs to happen. but ideally the government would be doing that. but the federal government would be participating in that. the republicans in congress, of course, haven't taken pandemic preparations for the election. they haven't funded precautions or preparations to allow people to safely vote sufficiently. state and local governments would be doing the same. without that the president and congressional republicans opposition to properly funding the safe and fair and secure election in 2020 it's left to organizations like stefanie's and like my own, standard republic and others. it's not the way it should be. i think we can have discussions like this on shows like this and it helps a lot. >> stefanie, thank you. moments of remembrance and a clear call to action inside the powerful service for civil rights icon and congressman john lewis. or civil ghts icon and congressman john lewis. 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>> no, because that is a drug that has been studied more than any other, and it has shown us that it does not seem to have an effect, and it is a disproportionate amount of attention because of the president's claims, and there is a lot of hope all around, and everyone wants a drug that will be effective, and this is a hope that everybody wants, but this is not a drug that is. and in the randomized trials that have been done, we are not seeing the benefit that anyone hoped for, so it is time to move on and put that funding towards other medications and to investing in other sorts of research that are hopeful. >> he said that yesterday he is cautiously optimistic about a drug to the end of the year, and does that seem realistic to you? >> i think that it is realistic that we might have something that could be, you know, a prototype, but not something that is distributed on a large scale or that had proven to be definitively work in a way that was going to change the game. i think that you are sort of talking about a prototype is the best name for that, and smaller studies the and having great hope, but it is not something that is actually distributed and taken by many people. >> let's talk about the new book "clean, the new science of skin and the beauty of doing less," and what are we doing in the quest to be clean? >> it is a great question. i spent about four years researching that. it seems that a lot of us, we are not doing the hand hygiene that we now i think that is getting a lot of attention and people are doing better with, and that is an extremely important measure in terms of preventing disease and transmittable disease and in terms of washing the rest of the body, a lot of us seem to have been doing too much. we need to talk to dermatologists about shampoos and body washes and all of that, it is something that we can easily take too far, and end up drying out the skin and affecting the skin microbiome in ways that we are beginning to understand. so it is an interesting time to talk about that, but it is a reminder that so many things in medicine and health that more is not mean better, and just because something is good on say on your hands, it does not mean that it is necessary to do a ton everywhere else. >> yeah, it is one of the, the most interesting things to watch during the democratic president primary race when elizabeth warren said that she used water to wash her face and people were scandalized about that. and you talk about the approach to use less for washing hair and face, and what does that mean? >> well, it is a trend in recent years that some people have begun to question the messages that have been told to us by, you know, the large multi national corporations that brought soap from something that, you know, a few decades ago that most families would have a bar of soap and maybe a bottle of shampoo for the whole family, and now a lot of people have dozens of products and lining the entire bathroom for all different ages and genders and all of the different parts of the body and skin, and then they wash oils off of the skin and hair and replace them with conditioners and moisturizers and it can lead to a frenzy where people want to break out of it, and if you do, as a recommendations from the experts that i spoke to and the people who are successfully sort of started to do less is to do a slow fade, and don't quit cold turkey, because you are going to look bad and oily, but if you want to over the course of the year, you can do less andle les and most people tolerate it pretty well. >> thank you, dr. hamblin and that is going to do it for me. my colleague picks it up at the top of the hour, and he is going to talk to congressman clyburn and maxine waters at the top of the hour. he top of the hour. my chair... and my phone. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ (vo) verizon knows how to build unlimited right. start with america's most awarded network. offer it at a price built for everyone with the most advanced iphone yet. iphone 11 pro on us when you buy one. because everyone deserves the best. this is unlimited built right. proof i can fight moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis. proof i can fight psoriatic arthritis... ...with humira. proof of less joint pain... ...and clearer skin in psa. humira targets and blocks a source of inflammation that contributes to joint pain and irreversible damage. humira can lower your ability to fight infections. serious and sometimes fatal infections, including tuberculosis, and cancers, including lymphoma, have happened, as have blood, liver, and nervous system problems, serious allergic reactions, and new or worsening heart failure. tell your doctor if you've been to areas where certain fungal infections are common and if you've had tb, hepatitis b, are prone to infections, or have flu-like symptoms or sores. don't start humira if you have an infection. humira is proven to help stop further joint damage. want more proof? 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