The mayor of washington dc extended to june 8th. And a call for a baitout of the states. They said we cannot afford a partisan process to turn this into a political football. And the nonessential travel ban between the u. S. , mexico, an canada is likely to be extended. The Kaiser Family foundation said 20,000 families could use their employer based insurance. That number could go up and you know what that means, Health Insurance coverage will continue to go up. With me now is my coanchor for the next two hours, katie turr. Were approaching 1. 4 million cases of covid 19 across the United States. More than 83,000 people have now died the university of washingtons tracking model is now projecting that the death toll could rise to nearly 150,000 by early august. New polling shows that most americans remain worried about the threat of the virus despite States Reopening. According to that poll, two out of three think large gatherings of adults will not happen until july or later. Today, former fda commissioner scott gotlegotlieb says things not decrease soon. Reopening against that backdrop, and you will start to see spikes of infections in parts of the country that have been largely unaffected to this point. They have a copy of the guidance on this reopening that was sidelined by the white house. The stark difference in the final white house plan and that design by epidemiologist is the covid 19 cases will likely surge after States Reopen and that local governments need to continuously monitor their communities closely. Joining us now is the digital Senior Reporter san nonp shan pe petipeace. We know the difference between what they were putting out was different. But also they would have been more detailed. They could have given pizs, states, and cities real detailed steps to take for reopening. Instead we have a lot of states, cities, and individual mom and pop shops trying to figure it out for themselves. The latest that were hearing from the white house is they have no plan as of now to release these, but the cdc director was saying yesterday that he does expect for something to be posted soon into whatever soon means well see. But certainly seen these but they only came to light because of the reporting by the ap here. And senator chris murphy really pushed him on that, but now one quite knows what soon means. Chuck, over to you. A new list of hot spots paints a very different picture. The case numbers are rising sharply across the country with some cities seeing over 600 increases. A separate list are places to watch. There has been a 269 increase in new cases. We are live in charlotte with the latest there. And you see charlotte, you see a rise there, and there is a big event planned in august that a lot of political junkies are wondering about, that means convention worries. Yes, we saw data from the White House Task force, and there is also a new projection here that says 4400 North Carolinans can die by august. That projection is from a Research Firm that had another projection just a couple of days ago, and that new number is four times higher than their most recent projection. Were in east charlotte, one of the most diverse neighborhoods. Across the street here is a screening site. You see cars lined up waiting to get tested. Some cars leaving now. You see the tents set up as well as Countless Health care professionals trying to help as many people as they can. Officials here tell me they feel like things here are starting to move in the right direction, but there is some concern that an increase in the greater charlotte area talked about that 269 increase in a period of seven days and how it could impact the progress theyre making here. You have to remember that area theyre talking about there is the greater charlotte area and that includes about 11 counties and also some in carolina. Initially there was concern from local leaders that the testing sites were predominantly located in more affluent largely white communities. They feel like there is expanded access to testing and one commissioner says this county is still vulnerable. Listen here. I think we moving in the right direction. Were not at the testing levels that we want to be at. We will continue to work with our partners, we appreciate what they have done thus far in regards to setting up sights where we have recommended. We know we have to expand testing and we want to get to those levels where were supposed to be. So last week North Carolina started phase one of their reopening process. Right now there are over 15,000 confirmed cases in this state, and just under 600 deaths. Referee alison, thank you. Katie . One month ago the university of washingtons mhie model predict predicted 74,000 americans would lose their lives. What has changed and what might the numbers look like one month from now. Joining us is dr. Vin gupta. Lets get into the numbers here. When we look at maps across the country and where the test or the positive cases have stabilized. Where theyre declining, some people are pointing to places like georgia saying they have been open for a couple weeks and theyre not seeing a rise in the cases there. Especially when they say it is likely to be higher than they were projecting a month ago. Thank you, i think what were seeing here, and every model, every critique of the model or any other model that is out there, the big critique is that it is only as good as what you put into it. Now the university of washington model is more refined and able to say well, in three days there is now an estimated 10,000 more deaths. Four times higher deaths expected in North Carolina alone relative to 72 hours ago. And were building in mobility data. Now we can track how much americans are moving as were liberalizing social distancing rules. And this is the key piece in places like North Carolina where were seeing a lot of movement. In georgia not as Much Movement as you thought we were expecting to see. People are worried, theyre not necessarily saying and agreeing with what the governor is doing. So that is key in interpreting these results and the precision of the model. So what were looking at, what changes with these reopenings of the states, we need to focus on how much people are moving in that state, does it need to be coupled with increase testing to get a really accurate picture of what is happening. Maybe the testing is not going to be increased alongside some of these states that are being reopened . Maybe the numbers will be artificially deflated or decreased. It is important, absolutely, an important question. Let me try to parse it out. Number one i said this and i will say it again, go to covidactnow. Org. It should be used by any policy maker nationwide when thinking about reopening at the state level. That metric, that model looks at icu vetability. Are there enough beds available if we get this wrong . If were opening up way too soon. Number two, to your point, what is the testing rate . Not just what is the testing rate, but what is the positive testing rate. How many are positive . If that number remains high, and in a lot of places it does, that means were only testing those we think are positive. The metric that is key and you dont ever get this from the president of the United States, the number of tests per confi confirmed positive cases of covid 19. Were 17 times lower than what the chezech republic and estoni are doing. Were narrowly focusing on those we think will test positive, and those disseminating the disease are a symptomatic. So yes, it is important. You have to look at the numbers with a critical eye. Chuck, you have a question . Yeah, were unpacking some of the new cases data, and if you take out the coastal states, there is a difference. The curve is bending downward, take the coasts, youre seeing that. Everywhere else, it is plateauing or a little bit on the rise. Were also seeing a trend line it seems that exurban counties are starting to see a rise in cases. Were not going to have one new york, it looks like a lot of sioux falls. Is that what the next month or two will look like where there is just like 15 hot spots around the country . None of them will feel like one new york city, but maybe collectively like one new york city . Absolutely, this goes to some of the initial segments that are to say that 27 million americans that we think are now going to not have any durable access to health care, that is huge. The reason that matters is most people in the United States still need a dr or a nurse practicer. If you dont have that that is a huge piece of the puzzle to get testing on board. Yes, exurban areas will be hit because were not testing there to the agree that degree that w other areas as well if is no coincidence that leaders are speaking and elevating Public Health experts to be at the podium. And then those like senator rand paul, who is a menace, demonstrating bad behavior with masks. The only senator in the entire hall that tested positive for covid 19 that had the gall to then go and not wear a mask, and number two he was offensive to dr. Fauci today. Leaders like that mean its no wonder that places like kentucky are places we are l be concerned about. Dr. , thank you for your time today, chuck, over to you. A little noncorona update, Paul Manafort was released from prison today because of concerns about coronavirus. He will be confined to home confinement. Pete, kind of a frankly a busy day in your neck of the woods. I have to say my obsession is the argument about the faithless electors and that happened in the Supreme Court. What did we learn . That theyre not going to buy that president ial electors are not bound by the states to vote for the popular state. So they have some faithless electors. And they told us on the people court that all of the cushion says is that sure, you can require a person to take a pledge, but once that agree in december to sit down and vote, the state vanishes from the picture and then has nothing to say about how they vote. Justice sam chul said they thought that could create chaos. They thought there would be a concerted effort to try to influence the electors to vote a certain way or to possibly even bribe them. And they say if you attempt to vote, and vote for a character from the lord of the rings they cant do anything about it . They say that states can choose their electors, it doesnt explicitly prohibit the state from controlling how the electors vote. So as you know so well, people that dont like the electoral college, hoping the Supreme Court would create a ripple in the pond and lead people to change the system. I dont think that is going to happen. Im surprised that they dont view the faithlesssympathetical. I will say the direct constitutional words in there. One other case i want to ask about. He put a hold on tossing out the case, that was unexpected . Yes, i think it was unexpected. It was unusual. You remember the Justice Department said look, we dont want to prosecute this case any more, were asking you to dismiss the case and you dont have any choice, the Justice Department said, so the judge said i want to hear from people on both sides. But at the end of the day, i dont know what choice he has. Dont see how he can compel the government to proprosecute the case anyway. If he gives up, who will he prosecute to carry on the sentencing, but it will be very interesting exercise in trying to shed more light, shall we say, on how they got here. They dont want to make it go away quickly. And that in and of itself is a fascinating decision. Pete williams, thank you, sir. Im still trying to get over the reference to lord of the rings. Coming up in a moment, russia sent dozens of ventilators to the United States, the same time that russia now believes could be to blame for two deadly hospital fires in their country. How fema is responding after the break. Youre watching msnbc. Break. 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Investigators believe the fires may have been caused by a short circuit or fault in those ventilators. We have more from moscow. A new nationwide suspension after two of them malfunctioned and caught fire in hospitals in the last several days killing six covid patients. Theyre the same ventilators they sent to the United States last month as part of hum humantarian aid flight. However, new York State Health officials told nbc news today that they have never been used. Theyre being returns to fema shortly. Vladimir putin say russia was prepared to begin a gradual fazed easing. But they suggested this might not be the case. Just yesterday the kremlin Spokes Person dimitri was hospitalized with the virus. Today was the 11th straight day in a row they announced a 10,000 plus case growth confirming new cases brings us to a total of 240,000 nationwide. Chuck and katie, back to you. Matthew, thank you very much. How concerning not only for the case numbers in russia, but the ventilators catching fire, being sent here, such a mess. It is, and it is, look, youre starting to see countries that thought they ducked the wave in mash much and april and they started to flex their muscles. They have saying just because you made it past a pomonth, a f weeks, a first waive, it can still come hit you. Amid the race to find a cure, science and politics are often at odds. We saw the nations top scientists speak frankly. Tomorrow we will hear from dr. Rick bright who says he was retaliated against for pushingback against the white house. In a Nonprofit Research organization, eco health allian alliance, they had it cut amid chine chinese labs, peter dashik. So just walk us through this story of how this happened. What is your best understanding . I mean talk about dealing with youre dealing with a real virus and a different kind of virus seemed to hit your organization. This is a classic example of why politics and pandemics dont miss well. We have been identifying viruses and working with chinese colleges. You cant work in Foreign Countries without foreign partners. This is all being vested by the nih. And everything was going okay. We scored in the top 3 of proposals that approved the work. They looked at all of the organizations that they were planning to work with and they approved it and then suddenly we had a reversal. We dont know why. We dont know what when happened behind that decision. The work that we did in china, finding sequences in pats and close relatives. It was used in the tests of remdesivir. It hurts on american lives and National Security to not have feet on the ground in forng countries where viruses emerge from. Nih will not discussion internal deliberations on grant terminations. When working with the chinese, how much what are your ways of trying to make sure youre not that youre dealing with data on the up and up. That youre dealing with scientists that are not feeling the pressure of their central government. We have worked for 15 years, we work in Foreign Countries around the world. We know that behind the scientists that we collaboration is a machine with a government that has certain agendas. Were very careful. We talk with fellow scientists. Duo research and we public it in international journals. We talk to our agencies about results even before we publish them and we had no problems at all getting access to data from the work duo in china. I think that is something very valuable. Cdc cant just walk into china and do work on viruses. Scientific collaboration like this is critical in an era where pandemics will continue to emerge from places like china. We better be ready for those pandemics if were on the ground. Kati, i know you a question. Where is the Research Going that you have accumulated . We have others that we work with. This is the only contract in china. I think right now that is on hold. Were not going to continue that work right now. We have a lot of data that we have accumulated that we are in the process of publishing. Generally with our chinese collaborators that will come out. That is critical. We will get this information out to the public and other scientists so they can work on vaccin vaccines. That is critical to what we do, but i think we need to look at it seriously and i dont think it is optional. In the era where pandemics are coming quicker, spreading faster, and killing our economies, there will be more and we know where they will come from and its countries like china that we need to work with to work with them and stop them. Can you kwaquantify this set back. The research you were gathering, how much longer will it take us to check out what you were researching. How much further will it put us on the search for a cure or a vaccine . Yeah, this was a fiveyear grant. We lost five years of work essentially. That is quite tragic. The other ironic thing is they continue, im sure, and we will be able to partner with them. It hampers our understanding of what is going on on the ground. Scientists have been fighting this outbreak for a few months longer than us. There is a lot of information about how to deal with it and we would be much better off working with them. Peter, very quickly, if you got more money to continue