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Youre used to the Early Morning hours. Not necessarily on a sunday morning, but when the news calls, you have to come. Fantastic way to start the morning on a sunday. Welcome to this house of msnbc live. Coming up in this hour, protesters express their anger after the government admits to unintentionally shooting down a ukrainian passenger jet. Impeachment unconstitutional. President trumps attorney attacks saying the Supreme Court can actually dismiss impeachment proceedings. The remedy is go before the Supreme Court of the United States and have it declared unconstitutional. Prince harry will speak about new roles for him and his wife, meghan, now that the couple will officially step back from their royal duties. Protesters have begun in cities in and around iran. Thousands of people took to the streets outside the university in anger over the governments admission to taking down a passenger jet. You see here, protesters chanting slogans like no honor and calling on government leaders to step down and take responsibility for their mistakes. Here in the United States, President Trump tweeting his support for the iranians. Tweeting commending iranians for their courage and telling their government, quote, the world is watching. Plus, amidst the chaos, the uk ambassador to iran was arrested for a few hours after attending the vigil turned protest. Lets get into all of this. It has been quite 24 hours, quite a ten days or so to say the least. Joining us from doha and Jonathan Allen and here with me on set in new york amihar and zane, founder of women for women international. Cal, ill start with you seeing youre in the region there and the most up to date state in regards to what we have been seeing. Talk to me what you have been hearing in regards to these protests . Yeah, so video leaking out on social media as you referenced already. Hundreds of people at multiple universities inside tehran. This is the second day in a row weve seen these protests and the slogans are truly remarkable. Calling for the government to step down. Saying death to soleimani. We understand and saw a video of some of those murals that they had put up of general soleimani. Remarkable because the government usually forcefully and violently puts down these protests. Conservative estimates of hundreds of People Killed more likely around 1,000 while protesting against the government in tehran. This follows the downing of that ukrainian airliner. 182 civilians died and it was a surface to air missile took down that plane. The iranians taking some responsibility for shooting down the jet saying the culpability still lies with the americans. If it wasnt for the ratcheting up of tensions, that jet never would have been shot down. I do think the president has a point when he says these protesters are courageous. Certainly, when you look at the history of whats gone on in the country when it comes to protests, were waiting with bated breath to see how the government will fully respond to these protests, yasmin. Before you get to that part of the entire saga. In it he tweets this. Thanks for the many good will messages. Can confirm i was not taking part in any demonstrations, went to an event advertised as a victim for the plane victims. Some of the victims were british. I left after five minutes when some started chanting detained half an hour after leaving the area and arresting diplomats is illegal in all countries. See comments by the foreign secretary. Bring us up to date on the arrest of this uk ambassador, cal. So, the ambassador has been released. Interesting enough, there are members of the Iranian Parliament are calling for his expulsion. I think its probably not a great sign of where things are headed in iran. Normally when the government starts pointing the finger at foreign agitators, its usually an indication that the patience is running thin with the protesters. As you pointed out to me as we chatted on text last hour, a lot of these are student led. Thats very important. The students have taken to the streets. This is unusual certainly for tehran. It will be interesting to see how the government responds. Do they put down the protests violently or trials to put people in responsibility to try to find responsibility for those who shot down the airliner. Does that satisfy the protesters or is this, in fact, about something much larger, yasmin. Stand by for me. I want to bring this questidisc into my panel. I want to get a sense from you, in general, saying youre very connected with iran right now. I know you have been speaking to people on the ground as weve seen everything progress over the last 48 hours there, especially from the time in which they admitted taking down that plane as they say it was human error. What is your assessment so far as what you have been seeing take place in the streets of iran right now . Emotions are very raw. What happened with the jetliner three days of iranian denials before they came out and admitted it. Many people on the ground say the government knew right away they downed this jet. The rgc hit this jet by mistake. Why did you wait three days . Qa qa Qassem Soleimani was killed. Thats one general. 234 people have died on iranian soil and 57 during the stampede for soleimanis funeral and then 176 by the downing of this jet. It just makes the people feel that the regime is incompetent and theyre not able to control the situation. So, i think one of the major questions here i think that ive been asking myself and a lot of people out there are asking themselves and the point that cal brought up is an important one with the type of people protesting right now, which is important in that it seems that these are student protesters protesting at the university. Very different from the protesters we saw six weeks ago that were protesting the economy and what is happening there and how theyre being strangled by these economic sanctions. The fact that they literally cant put food on the table. They are in the lower echelon of society and these are people in the upper class. Is this a Tipping Point that were seeing in iran . Its too early to tell. Those protests that happened a couple months ago, a few weeks ago were the regime base. They were the ones turning out. These protests so far are student led, theyre smaller. They seem to be letting out grievances because of the incompetence of the regime. To be clear, many of the videos were seeing by you saying they are smaller. Many videos we are seeing emerging from iran, there are thousands of people in the streets right now p. Practically chanting they want the leader to step down. Protests in iran have been for the last 40 years have happened. We had the Green Movement protest where you had millions of people on the street. We had protests a few weeks ago. Protests in iran are not new. Too early to assess how they will play out. Will they gain steam . Will they bring the lower classes and the regime out on the streets . Still yet to see. But, it is a sign that theres growing discontent with how the regime and the government are handling things. Go ahead. I mean, because protests in iraq are new and relatively new and now we have three months of millions of protesters in the streets of iraq, including few Million People went out on the streets of iraq from baghdad to all the southern provinces last friday just two days ago. These voices are very important and we need to give them more spaces to talk about. They are actually calling for a new election, a new government. They led for the resignation of the current Prime Minister in iraq on november 30th and theyre asking for a secular government that separates religion from the state. Their voice have been heard in iraq because their government killed a few hundred of them. Theyre saying hundreds of us get killed and nobody talk about it. One guy gets killed and the whole world goes. It is important because it could lead to a shift in the government of iraq and the future of iraq. No one, were not giving them enough space or discussion and they start would the university students, but thats one of the major differences youre seeing. Quickly joined by Labor Association and shia in southern provinces is joining them, which is a huge deal and showing a new deal that shia is not allpro government. We want secular government and take us beyond sectarian or religious divides. What are they saying about the u. S. Progress . U. S. Is divided. The Parliament Vote to expel u. S. Troops from it. 140 members. Which shows a division in iraq between those who are saying and they are proiran. They are backed by government militia. And the second half of iraq who are saying were actually afraid of u. S. Because it will leave a vacuum in the country that will allow more iranian Government Intervention in the country and meddling of the country, which people are frustrated with and they are afraid of the rise of isis. So, divided country right now. Not one voice. How do we tip it over and how do we support the secular voice is important. Feels pretty combustible. You wake up and see new developments coming from the region and you think, what will happen next . Anybody who thinks they know what will happen next, is lying to you. Jonathan allen, want to bring you into the conversation, my friend. Speaking of the Trump Administration in general. It seems like the president to some extent is taking credit for what is happening overseas right now and iran is seeing the killing of Qassem Soleimani as a win. But does it seem as if we actually deescalated what has happened so far . Im not sure that its deescalated. It certainly escalated the tension politically in the United States. Were starting to see poll numbers that suggest that americans are concerned about what u. S. Policy is in the middle east about the danger potentially to u. S. Forces overseas and broadly to american assets, as it were, if youre talking about Human Resources and talking about people or talking about, you know, our military or the potential to get drawn in to another war in the middle east. You also have increased tensions from middle Eastern Countries that we were just talking about iran. You have the protests and the airliner shot down by the iranian government and you have protests in the streets there and protests in iraq and the level of tension is up and the level of politential violence i up from where it was before. Whether that leads to good outcomes or bad outcomes leads to be seen. One thing that we didnt know yesterday is that the president speaks farcy in his tweet. Not sure if he is actually using Google Translate there. Fortunately, someone is advising him about the messages he sends and i think thats very important because if he will speak in another language, its very important what hes communicating is measured. Absolutely. An important point to be made there. Lets talk about some of that polling you brought up. From abc news showing the majority of americans, 56 disapproving of the president s handling of iran. What do you make of this, jonathan . What i make of it is that americans are wary and wary of war. We have been in afghanistan for long enough that people who werent yet born on 9 11 are now serving in afghanistan. Weve been in iraq for almost as long and the prospects of going to war with iran, whatever that looks like. Whether it involves boots on the ground or simply involves more sort of equipment strikes, air strikes, whatever that involves. I think people are tired of it and not only are people who are against the president politically normally tired of that, but people in his own base are tired of it. He campaigned on getting out of afghanistan and iraq. Campaigned on having a more smaller footprint militarily across the world and i think, you know, this undermines basically what he campaigned on and thats why youre seeing those numbers like that. What i think is interesting domestically in general as we look ahead to the election in november whether National Security policy will play a pivotal role on what are on the mind of voters as they head to vote for the next president of the United States. You think back to 2004, that was very much on the mind of American Voters when you think about when we are in the midst of the iraq war. And now here we are, again, possibly on the precipice of war, again. Literally in the last week. We went from 0 to 60 with regards to what took place with ir iran. Im wondering if voters will take the same sentiment to the polls in november . No one wants to go to war, but we have to have a shift in our policy towards middle east. We just have to have that. Its right now, america is part of the destabilization of the middle east. Its not our side of it. We have to have a longerterm policy, we need to engage differently and we need to improve peoples lives. That is nation building. In a constructive way and in a way that does not allow for corruption but we can do it as a way to stabilize the middle east. Right now were not helping. If you dont want to go to war, its okay. I dont want to go to war. I worked in wars all my life and im vehemently against it. We have to have another strategy so we can build peace. We are just scratching the surface. Much more to come. Thank you very much, appreciate your insight. Coming up next, the house is expected to sign articles of impeachment to the senate as the president s personal attorney calls the process unconstitutional. What argument Rudy Giuliani is making ahead of the senate trial, when we come back. Could lead to way cleaner teeth. She said, get the one inspired by dentists, with a round brush head. Go pro with oralb. Oralbs gentle rounded brush head removes more plaque along the gum line. For cleaner teeth and healthier gums. 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Joining us now from washington we have White House Reporter for Washington Post ann garen and mona sharon and with me on set, former executive director bazzal. Anne, im going to get started with you on this one. What are you hearing to the president s strategies here . Yasmin, i think we can look at the outcome, right . Whatever the president s intent in going after Qassem Soleimani, it did change the conversation from impeachment for the full week. Those two story lines are definitely coming together now because we do expect the articles to be transmitted this coming week and that will happen at the same time as the fallout from iran admitting having shut down the airliner in the aftermath of the soleimani killing. The republican senators who will catch the ball when the articles of impeachment are transmitted, are in the main pretty hawkish on iran and in the main pleased on what the president did. Even if president wasnt trying to give them what they wanted in terms of Foreign Policy, he definitely is starting the game in the senate with a group of senators who not only who were already predisposed to a fairly quick acquittal, but now, also, have under their belt a very, very striking Foreign Policy change from the president on an issue that had concerned many republicans who thought that he was being too accommodating to iran and too hopeful falsely in their view that iran would eventually want to negotiate with him. So, youre pretty sure, ann, from what i am seeing that this bolsters the president s support among his own party. Do you think the same about his voters . We dont know the answer to that. And that is, obviously, the next very good question. For sure, the entire series of events starting with the Qassem Soleimani more than a week ago. Targeted killing and you choose your term has bolstered the president s support among republicans in congress. Certainly, on the senate side. And pretty strongly on the house side, as well, despite there were some republican deflections on the war powers last week as we saw. Voters are at least in the initial polling that weve seen and its

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