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Look back after 170 days. For bill clinton, it was 64. And President Trump beats that record. It took just 40 days from the time the house voted to begin the process to win articling were drafted. And hes on track for a speedy full house vote on top of that. Thats one thing democrats and republicans can agree on. Take a listen. Are you confident you have a majority to impeach the president . I am confident. Im not whipping this either. I dont think anyone is. This is a real vote of conscience. I think this is the beginning of the end for this show trial that weve seen in the house. I think its going to come to the senate. Were going to have fair proceedings, and then its not going anywhere because the facts arent there. It is the responsibility of the American People to hold these senators accountable. This is not political. We should not be looking at those things. This is the defense of our democracy. Do we stay a democratic republic or do we turn into a tyranny . I am clearly made up my mind. Im not trying to find the fact that i have disdain for the accusations and the process. So i dont need any witnesses. Our panel of experts are ready to break down the significance of what is about to happen this coming week. But first, democratic congressman mark desonnier of california joins me right now. He is on the house rules committee. And that committee is set to mark up the report in just a couple of days. Representative, thanks for being with us. My pleasure. Thank you for inviting me, richard. Representative, what do you expect to be coming out tonight when we do get the full report if you will from the Judiciary Committee . I think it will stay consistent with the articles that theyve already released. And also consistent with the 300 pages that are in the Intelligence Committee report. Yeah, it was what, a week ago when we got the report coming from the Judiciary Committee in terms of the rules, that they would the definitions by which they would decide whether articles were going to be defined or not. Here we are a week later. How will you vote on this . I will support it. I think that if as ive said to some of my republican friends, if the roles were reversed, if a drad had done this, i would feel the same way. Rules are important. This president doesnt think rules apply to him. Do you think its too early to decide that you will be voting yes to impeach . No. I think its very, very clear from the 300 report from his own admission. Federal law says as candidate you cannot seek, solicit or receive anything of value from a foreign national. To me its very clear and the evidence is very clear he has done that. So if i were to do that, i would expect to be indicted and convicted. Going back to the calendar tuesday in the markup, what do you do in the markup . What do you plan to do in the markup . Well, given the tenor heretofore in the judiciary and intelligence, im afraid that its going to be emotional. A lot of histrionics. I hope that that wont be the case. I hope that well focus on how important this is for the country, the context of it, the relationship between the rule of law and the constitution. I think that there will be some discussion about how long the debate should be on the floor. During the cloymt impeachme ini it was very long. Questions of process. I want to go to jerry nadler who is chairing the Judiciary Committee and what he said today. Well take a listen very quickly. What hes reacting to is the public polling that shows he cant get renominated. His electorate in his district is 24 to renominate him and 60 to nominate somebody else. But more to the point, this is not political. We should not be looking at those things. So that news as you know came out yesterday. Representative andrew from new jersey, the reporting being that he will switch parties. He has not supported the impeachment inquiry. Most likely, if he follows true to form will not be voting for impeachment either. Might you see the risk of others going the other way, that your caucus can afford 17 votes defecting, no more . The current Washington Post 6 to 10 potentially are thinking no, im not going to vote for impeachment. That the number that youre sensing, feeling, that youve discussed with other members . Yes. And i think the votes will be there. Unfortunately, were in a period of history where the people beat up on members. There is a lot of intimidation. This is such an important vote, more important than a reelection, at least for me. I want to go down in history on the right side, and i think its an issue of conscience, as adam schiff said. Adam schiff also said does not want to cause trauma to the United States. No the senate does not. If the senate does acquit, should i say, is that trauma to the United States . I think its really dangerous, particularly if they dont appear to be objective. And i dont think this president is going to stop. If he is acquitted, what is it the republicans would actually take action for him for . He is going in my belief i dont think he is capable of stopping. I think he is going to break more rules and more laws. Acquitted, is that failure . No. I think this is bigger than just votes. For me, this is standing up to what i think is the basis of american democracy. If democracy is the rule of law and the constitution, you adhere to that. If you want to change the laws you go through the process. And finally, how will this be written in the history books . How big of a day . How big of a week are we seeing in front of us . It depends what the future looks like. If american democracy continues, and i think it will, i personally think that history will indicate that the russians helped get this president elected, if he didnt get him elected, and there are more relationships that we arent aware now that history will find out about. Congressman mark desaulnier, thank you so much of california with a great view of the San Francisco bay. Thank you so much, sir. Appreciate it. Thank you. I want to bring in Reuters White House correspondent jeff mason, the hill Senior Writer scott wong and joyce vance. Joyce, you heard the last question and what the representative was saying. How will this week be written about . How big a deal . Its what weve been tornado warninging about for how long here in the beltway. But for everyday americans, ma will this be written as . It feels very much like this is the week where the future of our democracy hangs in the balance. People havent focused i dont think quite enough yet, richard, on that second article of impeachment which charges that the president in an unprecedented way has refused to comply with legal process, with subpoenas that have asked for documents and for witness testimony in this congressional oversight proceeding. And instead of providing some information and saying well, thats enough, we wont give you anymore, or at least negotiating in good faith, the president issued a blanket refusal to let congress have oversight of the executive branch. If thats the new rules of order going forward, then we are far closer to a society where the president has almost an extreme expansion of power thats unprecedented. So this is that week where we find out what the future of our democracy looks like. Scott, you just heard me say, the Washington Post saying six to ten potential defectors on the democratic side. They can afford 17, not 18. What are you hearing . Im hearing just in that same ballpark. And its not actually that many when you think about it. In fact, all of the frontline members that weve seen taking a position in recent days on impeachment have all come out in favor of impeachment. Just today we had two more, Antonio Delgado up in the Hudson Valley of new york, jason crow in the denver suburbs. That followed a number of other vulnerable front liners, the majority makers who helped democrats seize the majority, who helped flip seats in the 2018 election. So thats telling. That tells me and i think theyre also looking at some recent polling. Today fox news had a poll that showed that 50 of voters support impeachment. So they perhaps are looking at polling. Theyre hearing from their constituents back home. Theyre also saying theyre standing on principle that this is the right thing to do and that that really is what should matter. That poll, jeff, when you look at it, if youre for impeachment, youre for removal. There is no sort of in between here. Its either get him out or leave him. Yeah, well, and thats what impeachment is about. The political reality of this particular impeachment process that were writing about and witnessing right now is that the votes are there to impeach him in the house and the votes are not there in the senate to convict him. So its very unlikely that this process is going to lead to his removal. But even so, it is a very significant thing for a president to be impeached. President trump knows that. He has dismissed the impeachment as a witch hunt and dismissed it as a hoax, but he is not happy about joining the ranks of the few president s in history who have gone through this and who have actually been impeached. It will be a momentous day for him. It certainly be that way for the previo rest of the country. Joyce, as we went through the calendar with the representative, lets pull up the calendar again. If you were trying to give us tips about how to watch the next several day, what should we be watching out for . Well, i think the most important thing will be the Impeachment Vote in the house itself. Look, were going hear in markup and in other hearings a lot of posturing, what the congressman called histrionics. And what i know from participating in trials for many years is lawyers love to use theatrics and histrionics. People in congress are no different, but jurors, real jurors who are looking for the truth see beyond that. And i think the much more soberminded reasonable argumentation being offered by the democrats who come forward with fact and ask people to draw conclusions based on the law ultimately that is the sort of approach that people in our country will take. It doesnt speak to what will happen in the senate. But i think watching that posturing that well see this week may turn a lot of people in this country off. And well see whether the posturing, right here, scott, is just looking at this week, just looking at the senate trial. Because there is certainly going to be other headlines after that. After what is expected to be an acquittal. We still have the Supreme Court on taxes, weve got all of these are that are in front posttrial that could still really stick something in the side of certain republicans because they are so committed to this president. There is still risk out there. Are any of them thinking that way right now . I think what youve heard from democrats is that just because they will be taking this Impeachment Vote doesnt mean the investigations will stop. As you pointed out, there are a number of outstanding investigations still out there, including investigations looking at President Trumps tax records, his financial business records, emoluments having to do with his trump hotel just down the street from the white house. And so i imagine this will not be the end of democratic investigations just because you have a senate trial and the senate will vote not to convict the president. Jeff, as adam schiff was saying, he was talking about the trauma to the United States. How much trauma is the United States going to be going through after the impeachment and expected acquittal . Well, its a painful process for everyone, and the trauma i guess will to the extent that it is trauma will show really next year once the race starts getting going, and its really going now. There is going to be a democratic debate thursday night. And next year well see to the extent that this impeachment has an impact on the election, whether or not it helps the president as he has been arguing in the last few days that it will and his Campaign Officials have been talking about the increase in fundraising that theyre seeing as well as energy on the republican base. Democrats will see if its helped them. There are certainly people on the left who believe that democrats have taken too long to get this far to impeach this president. Both sides will have things that they like and dont like. And the ultimate decide other than question, richard will, be on the election in november. Talking about the president , we are going to look into what the administration plans on doing and what they do do, what it says about not only this coming week but thereafter. Jeff, scott, joyce, stick around. Well talk about that later in the show. Thanks. Coming up, the president ial campaign trail. We have a live interview with senator Bernie Sanders talking about that debate. Oh theres no place like home for the holidays. For the holidays you cant beat home sweet home. We go the extra mile to bring your holidays home. For a limited time, get a outb4course meal your holidays even better starting at 15. 99. Treat yourself to the perfect gift today, because the aussie 4course wont last long and now, get a 10 gift with every 50 in gift cards. Us. Its what this country is made of. But right now, our bond is fraying. How do we get back to us . The y fills the gaps. And bridges our divides. Donate to your local y today. Because where theres a y, theres an us. Well, we are four days out from the next democratic debate. Seven candidates have qualified, but an on going dispute among Food Service Workers at the location of that debate, Loyola Marymount university in los angeles may prevent it from going forward. All seven candidates say they will not cross picket lines, standing with the workers. Joining us is Shaquille Brewster with senator Bernie Sanders. Shaq, im interested in what the senator thinks is going to be happening there. Well, lets start with that question. Lets start with the fact that we have a debate coming up next week. There is a labor dispute going on right now. You mentioned that as of now, there will be no debate. Whats going on behind the scenes with that . I hope there will be a debate. But i do not intend to cross a picket line. I believe that workers have a right to stand up with decent wages and decent benefits. And if they are in a dispute, i will not cross that picket line. What conversations are happening right now . I think tom press is working hard to try to resolve it. He is the former secretary of labor. He knows a little bit about this. And i hope he does resolve it. You signed on to a letter encouraging the dnc to change debate qualifications. Explain why you support that. Well, i think we want as many people as possible to participate. I think thats fair. Thats the right thing to do. And i think the American People and people who are going to vote in the democratic primary benefit from it. Not very complicated. Were here in iowa. Were 50 days way from the caucus. Southeast part of the state. And lets start your numbers have been improving. If you look in iowa and nationally, but we are also dealing with an impeachment that may pull you off the campaign trail. How concerned are you that the battle will stop your momentum . Look, we have an extraordinarily strong grassroots operation here in iowa. I dont think there is any other candidate has more volunteers. We have a great organization. We are working incredibly hard. Our people are knocking on tens and tens of thousands of dollars. Tv ads are great. Radio ads are great. At the end of the day, its knocking on doors and talking to people. I think we are the capability of doing that better than any other campaign. Dont tell anybody. I think were going to win here in iowa. Have you decided have you decided what you plan to do with impeachment and how you plan to vote . Well, look, i believe that stloump be impeached. I think you have a president who is running one of the most corrupt administrations in the history of this country. I think the evidence is pretty clear. If i were in the house, i would vote for impeachment. I am going to be a juror in a sense as a member of the United States senate. Im going to go in there with an open mind. Im going hear what trumps defenders have to say. But if you ask me today, i think he is has committed treasonable he has committed impeachable offenses. Any concern with how republicans are going to run this process . Always, but well see what happens. Do. You have any control over that . No. Mcconnell will make those decisions. And i hope he does it in a fair way. Last one on that. Do you want to hear from witnesses . I think as much evidence we can hear will be beneficial to us making the best decision possible. And let me also say to my republican colleagues, obviously Everybody Knows this is a very political moment. This is a very political situation. I would hope that everybody, republicans and democrats can try to do our best to listen to the facts. You can dislike trump intensely, and i do. You can think he is a terrible president , and i do. That does not necessarily mean he has committed impeachable offenses. You can be a strong defender of trump, as the republicans are, and you may come to the conclusion that he has committed impeachable offenses. I hope people will take a hard look at the evidence and reach their decisions. Lets talk about medicare for all. Its a consistent debate. I think weve been talking about medicare for all this whole primary. The nugget that keeps coming up is this idea of choice and how in your plan you eliminate private insurance. Is there a way to still support medicare for all if you look at the other candidates . Can they still be in support of medicare for all without getting rid of that . Not in terms of what medicare for all really means. What medicare for all, underline the word all means everybody in america has health care as a human right, not a privilege. And that means we have got to have the courage finally after literally decades and decades of talking, this discussion about universal health care has gone on since teddy roosevelt. All

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