decided to pressure a foreign government to target an american citizen for political gain. >> the people who could have come forward and perhaps given a more benign explanation were prevented from doing so by the president. >> there's nothing here that the president did wrong. >> what you hear from donald j. trump is the blunt talk of a manhattan businessman. he says what he means. he means what he says. >> i have been extremely troubled and disappointed by the behavior of my colleagues on the other side of the aisle. >> let's take you to friday now. on friday, two significant deadlines to watch there. first off, who republicans want to testify when they submit their witness list on that day. second thing to watch, the president by 5:00 p.m. friday answers whether he will prepare a defense for next week's proceedings. our panel will join us on this discussion shortly but first we have a member on the house judiciary committee who will help decide whether and how to issue articles of impeachment. democratic congressman steve cohen of tennessee. representative, thanks for being with us on this day. >> nice to be with you, richard. >> representative, let's start off with this. for americans, what is the job that the judiciary committee is about to undertake? >> we will ascertain whether the report from the intelligence committee and possibly other materials fit in to the definitions of high crimes and misdemeanors, bribery and treason, which are the bases upon which the congress can, should issue an itimpeachment resolution based on the article i article. >> what will your role specifically be here, representative? >> well, we will ask questions of the legal scholars that will tell us what they believe high crimes and misdemeanors are. we will ask questions of the president's counsel if they choose to have a counsel come present and respond possibly to questions, but probably we will ask questions, and we will have the opportunity to vote on yes or no, should there be an impeachment article come out of the judiciary committee for abuse of power for contempt of congress, for obstruction of justice. we don't know exactly what all they'll be but that's what we expect, the three articles will probably come within. >> what is the one question you'd like to ask? >> well, i'd like to ask where is donald j. trump and why is he hiding? president trump should, based on his remarks that he's made, want to come before the judiciary committee and tell us why what he did was not a high crime and misdemeanor, why it was not using his powers of his office for his personal political gain, and that why he should not be accused of saying to president zelensky basically a "quid pro quo" when he said, but we have a favor to ask of you, and he said that we wants to get dirt on the the bidens. he claims there's no due process. this is a kangaroo court. we can't get justice. he has been given the right, by our rules, laid out and voted on by democrats, republicans had the chance to vote for him, too, to have counsel, to ask questions, to appear, and they're not doing it. >> representative -- >> and this is a man who we want to come and testify. >> representative, you said you would vote for impeachment. do you still take that stand? >> i'm not supposed to, but i do. >> and you're not supposed to. aren't you supposed to deliberate first? >> you answered the question. i deliberated for the last god knows how many months. i've deliberated. i've watched the intelligence committee. i've studied impeachment for the last two years. i've listened to all the hearings. i've read all the reports. unless there's something that comes to me through the experts, and i've read all their books, that says something different than what high crimes and misdemeanors are and unless there's something out of the left field, coming in about what trump did or didn't do, there's not much question. it's an open and shut case, and for anybody that doesn't vote vote for impeachment, they are abusing their oath of office. >> representative you heard your fellow colleagues on the right say hang on one second, representative cohen. aren't you supposed to not have made a decision as of yet, that that you've already made up a decision before you're open and listening to both sides of the argument? >> yes and no. they've made up their minds, they've said this is a witch hunt. they've said it's a hoax. they've said there's no quid pro quo. they've said that there's nothing there, there's no there there. they've made up their minds, so they can't really what's called estopple in the law. they're estopped to guy somebody made up their mind. in my opinion, the facts are clear, and they will be made more clear when the intelligence committee report comes out and the experts tell us what high crimes and misdemeanors are in their mind and i've read the books. >> there's been plenty written so far but there are those who would say sir, we have not heard enough from primary witness. we've only heard the majority fact witnesses that were second or third degrees of separation from actual incidents and/or processes that happened, that the president was accused of participating in. >> yes, the president is not allowed mulvaney or pompeo or giuliani, or bolton to come forth and testify but the president said we have a favor to ask of you. the president said on the lawn of the white house, we'd like for the ukrainians to investigate biden. we've had mulvaney go there's politics involved. get used to it. yeah, we did it. so we've had mulvaney. we've had trump and we've had sondland say the president told him he wants zelensky to go on cnn, not msnbc, cnn and say we're starting an investigation into the bidens and burisma. >> if you had counsel to chairman schiff would you suggest as you're intimating there's important firsthand testimony to be given by individuals like bolten, like cooperman, like mulvaney and we might get a decision from the court as to whether they should and will give testimony to the intel committee or to congress in general. should we then wait a week or two? >> it won't be a week or two. they have a right to appeal, which they will be appealing to the courts on the decision on mcgahn. they will appeal and appeal and appeal and delay and delay and delay. if we don't act now, and we kind of wait for them and wait and wait, we'd be shlameals. the justice judiciary committee has to act on the american people and not be rope-a-doped by an administration obstructing congress and refusing people to have the people the opportunity to testify. >> who will be witnesses be called? >> you'll find that out next week. >> you can give me a hint? i won't tell anybody. >> i won't tell anybody either. i won't help you. >> you know the criticism of that, if you were watching, you probably were watching your republican counterparts on sunday shows saying if we have a commitment to provide our desired witness list, how can we respond adequately, given we don't know who the witnesses that will be called by the democrat. it's not a fair request and deadline chairman nadler is giving us. >> the majority always names three witnesses, the minority names one. if there's a larger panel, the republicans get more witnesses. they have witnesses to testify what they believe high crimes and misdemeanors may be. they've submitted them. i don't know who they are either. the fact is, this is the way the committee is run. there are rules about notice. the rules of notice will be complied with. doug collins knows the rules, and anything, all those are crocodile tears. they are defending the undefensible. >> would you be -- >> it's in their faces. >> would you be open to more witnesses if we look at the clinton impeachment process, they had four, five times the amount of witnesses at least we know of as of today for your particular witness list. >> we have given trump and his administration more rights to bring witnesses to ask for counsel to be there, to have the president there than clinton or nixon had. speaker pelosi and chairman nadler have gone to the nth degree to provide due process and fair play and they got it. >> is that a no, representative, you would not be open to more witnesses? i'm not saying you'd have 19 or 20 but would you be open to maybe eight or nine in total? >> it's not my position to respond to that. that's up to the chairman. >> that's up to the chairman. so if you were to ask for counsel on that, would you say, it's up to you, chairman? is that correct? >> excuse me, it's up to the chairman to decide who the witnesses will be and they can submit witnesses but they have to be relevant. adam schiff is not a relevant witness. that's showbusiness. asking for the whistle-blower is illegal. all we heard is they want adam schiff and the whistle-blower and they might as well have -- >> sorry, go ahead, representative. >> it's not going to, people sometimes say some of my humor is too 1960ish but the one-armed man is what they're looking for. that will get people into n to google. >> representative steve cohen from tennessee, thank you, sir, and have a great sunday. >> you're welcome, richard. you have a great sunday, monday and tuesday. >> we'll be watching you, sir. thank you so much. our panel joins us, thank you, sir. a, white house reporter sheryl stolberg and danya perry, former district attorney for the southern district of new york. danya, you could hear the discussion that me and the representative had. it sounds like he has already made his decision. he's been pretty clear when he's had public interviews that i shouldn't be, and he said it again today, i shouldn't have already made up my mind but i have. and is that the right way it should be? >> look, my best analogy would be to a federal criminal trial, that's my background, i was the deputy chief of the criminal division in the southern district, i reviewed thousands of indictments, prosecuted hundreds of cases. certainly a juror would be disqualified were they to come in with that. >> and say that? >> correct. this is obviously very different. the closest analogy we have probably to these unique and unusual proceedings is to federal criminal procedure and process, but that wouldn't happen in a trial, at least it wouldn't be verbalized. >> i bet you're biting at the bit there, aswan. you have the luxury of walking over the hill to ask questions since you're in the beltway. what stood out to you in that conversation with the representative who has an important role coming this week? >> well he pointed out how the congress and house democrat lawmaker s aren't going to be stonewalled by this impeachment inquiry and approach a vote likely to go down even before the end of the year. and it kind of goes to how throughout this impeachment process and proceedings that it has revealed the shortcomings of president trump and his administration strategy to dealing with a house democratic majority. even before the new democratic majority was worn in, starting in late 2018, president trump convened not just his white house counsel but his personal attorney, including jay sekulow and rudy giuliani for multiple meetings to game out strategy to deal with the incoming flood of investigations and subpoenas they were expecting at the time. i don't think they were expecting the impeachment inquiry as it's currently constituted but gamed out a long-term strategy of stone walling, stone walling and fighting the house democrats on every witness, and every shred of paper and every document. and that worked or seemed to work for a period of time, until the ukraine scandal exploded. so there is another element here where the white house's strategy has just seemed to fail them. >> sheryl, has their strategy failed them? they have pushback in the courts and you can hear the representative saying well, you know, we could wait to hear the judge's declaration on whether or not mulvaney and the rest, bolton, should testify or not, but there are appeals and that process can go on for some time. has it not worked for this white hous house? >> well their strategy clearly has led to democrats say they're going to charge president trump with obstruction of congress. you heard congressman cohen say as much. it was very, very clear in the letter that representative adam schiff, the chair of the house intelligence committee, wrote to his colleagues, when he outlined shortly before thanksgiving the path going forward. he said that the committee in considering its report, which it's drafting now, would take into account the fact that the administration barred people like bolton and mulvaney and mcgahn from testifying, and he also took pains to note that article iii of the imof impeachment articles against richard nixon was a similar article outlining obstruction. you can say their strategy worked. they didn't give mulvaney and bolton over, but at the end of the day, he's still going to get charged with articles of impeachment. >> as it would seem here. and when we look at this, at least, danya, the idea of the witnesses, republicans saying you only are giving us one. number two, you're having us give you our list before you tell us who is on your list. what do you make of that argument? >> look, it's just the latest in a long string of process and other defenses and arguments that they have. >> is it a fair criticism, though? >> look, i mean i think the facts are on the side of the democrats here. the law to the extent that it is apropos, which it arguably is not given this is a political process, is also on the side of the democrats. so if you want to take away some of these arguments, sure, they could give them more witnesses, but from what we've seen, they don't want to play to that hand and i think that's a fair reaction as well. so you know, it remains to be seen exactly how this plays out and it seems the possibility is open for additional witnesses. >> and one of the possibilities here over to asawin on this, you saw the calendar and you know it very well here. will the president provide, will the answer -- given the strategies so far, sometimes there's a non-answer is the answer. >> right. the president is going to be answering to what's going on this week. it's just he's going to be doing it to tv cameras, reporters, and on twitter and other public venues, to him and his senior white house brass, currently gripped in a hard core messaging war against an impeachment inquiry that they have written in both legalese and in the public messaging that they don't see it as legitimate, so they're just going to call the proceedings this week boring. they're going to use that word over and over and over again, and no, the president of course is not going to be showing up. >> and part of this, sheryl, as you look at the democrats, that might be in play here, coming to the vote, if we look forward and it's expected this will happen, the articles of impeachment move forward, the vote will then happen, that will be a party line. sheryl, when you look at the swing district democrats, as chuck todd was laying out on "meet the press" today, there are six of note. the six are in trump districts but they did win, number one. number two, as chuck laid out, the amount of spending that has come out in support or against impeachment, prwhen you compare the democrats, and i think we have full screens for both of these, talking about number two and number three is the amount of ad spending that the democrats have been outspent two to one. >> you are going to see at least a couple of democrats, i'm thinking of jeff van drew in new jersey and colin peterson in minnesota, who are in trump friendly districts. i can't imagine them voting in favor of impeachment. jeff van drew has sounded a lot more like a republican than a democrat throughout this whole inquir inquiry. he kept saying he doesn't see it as an important, doesn't want an inquiry, it's a distraction, et cetera. you have other swing district democrats, notably abigail spamberger in virginia and alyssa slotkin in virginia, who have national security backgrounds and went out on a limb to write an op-ed in "the washington post" calling for an impeachment inquiry, and i think that they will stick with the party. now, i could be wrong. i don't have a crystal ball but it's been interesting to me to see just how unified the democrats have been throughout this process. let's face it, we have a lot of evidence amassed by the intelligence committee and we're all going to get a look at it in what i expect to be a coherent and dramatic narrative about the president's conduct with respect to his pressure campaign in ukrai ukraine. so i think that they're going to hang tough. there will be a lot of advertising, as you say, but i've had one democrat, tom malnowsky say if i lose and vote my conscience, i'm okay with that. >> we're going to watch this tv narrative continue. the last 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testing the leaders for that gathering, afghanistan and the taliban, what to do about negotiations and a potential cease-fire, as well as the 5-year-old war between russia and ukraine. also under scrutiny at the meeting, trump's relationship with boris johnson. he's been a long time favorite of trump but now is reportedly distancing himself from the president, potentially a political move given british elections are just 11 days away. the president said he was looking forward to meeting with johnson. however, there are mixed reports if an official bilateral meeting will happen or instead something more casual. the president also faces what might be a question of his own legitimacy. trump is expected to be impeached at home and face a trial and has but one year left in his administration. joining me editor of politico's london playbook, jack blanchard and former secretary of state and founder of beacon global strategies andrew shapiro. thanks for being here. jack, i'll start with you. there's a lot of stuff happening, no doubt there on the european the connet but also what's happening in the united states and we outlined some of the topics around what the president might be thinking. how is it reading there ahead of the nato leader summit? >> well, any visit by president trump to these shores is met with some sense of trepidation by politicians over here, because he's always such a random factor. you never know what he's going to do, what he's going to say. he does not follow the diplom diplomatic norms. all of the leaders of the summit will be slightly nervous wondering exactly what he's going to do, particularly as you say boris johnson, who is facing a huge general election in just 11 days' time. he's got a comfortable lead in the polls at the moment. the very last thing he needs, frankly, is president trump creating mayhem over here as he is keen on known to do. president trump is not particularly popular figure amongst the british general public. we know that he and boris johnson are quite close. certainly they have a decent working relationship, and so i think the concern in downing street is president trump might think he could offer a helping hand to boris johnson with a sort of warm endorsement at a press conference or speaking to camera on an interview over here. the feeling downing street that might not be very helpful to boris johnson's re-election prospects. >> watching the election in 11 days and the special relationship brought up so often in the last couple of decades, redefining it self certainly in these two administrations. over to you, my friend, andrew, when you look at what is happening, the issue of nato and its importance and its relevance, 70 years, right, this is what we're marking this year, of nato's creation, created during the cold war, a concern of the soviet union from the east, and today, as was brought up in the introduction here, a concern of russia and ukraine at the moment, a longstanding war by today's standards, of five years at the moment. how important is the existence of nato and what it might do to counter-balance what is happening in ukraine, russia, in that space? >> well, thank you for having me, richard. i think you're exactly right, that president trump is raising questions about the value of nato, now 70 years later. he has been the most disruptive president of the transatlantic relationship since nato was formed in 1949, and now, he is raising questions about the value of nato, why aren't they spending more? he has a much more transactional view. in 1949, viewed the value of the relationship and alliance as an important counterweight to russia, and now president trump is asking why are we spending so much money defending europeans? so that casts appall over those nato summits and there's great concern by the europeans about what president trump might say during a nato summit, so rather than in prior nato summits under prior presidents where the nato allies looked to the u.s. for leadership, now they're looking to manage president trump. they're looking to figure out if there is a way to avoid having a big break at a nato summit, and avoid further damage to the alliance. >> then back over to you, jack, the whole concept of transatlanticism or multilateralism, now if you will a time of unilateralism, of an idea of america first, if you take out the word america and put your country's in it, first, are those ideas too big right now is? should we be talking about dollars and cents instead just based on the band width that seems to be hitting owl of the leaders of the various companies that are members of nato at the moment? is that too big an idea, the idea of multilateralism? >> not in europe, where russia is on the doorstep and proved to be a very aggressive neighbor to some of the countries around it, most recently ukraine as we know and other baltic states looking nervously at president putin and what he might do next, and so there is very much, nato is seen here as the absolute cornerstone of european security and the reason we've had such peace for the past 70 years and certainly the way that president trump has questioned its legitimacy, questioned the point of it, has deeply unsettled not just politicians but the general public out here. i think on the narrow point should european nations be paying more into the budget, i think it's hard to argue with the point that he's making. there are many european nations that don't make the financial commitment that they should, but there's a much bigger issue at stake here, which is about global security. it's about containing the threat from president putin, and of course, america has to play the central role in that. >> andrew, what would be the minimum piece of progress that you're looking for out of this meeting? >> well, i think that the president's team did a background briefing, where they talked about hoping to have progress vis-a-vis china and the technology that they are trying to promote around the world for wireless technology, that would give them an edge. they're hoping to get some type of an agreement from the nato allies to try and prevent china from being able to dominate this space, so if they were able to get some type of statement or agreement that coming out of this meeting, that this is important, that would be some progress. incidentally, his advisers also said they would talk about russia as a potential threat as well. i'd be very surprised if president trump came out and talked about russia as a potential threat as well during his comments. i think you should look more for comments on china coming out of it, if he tries to stay close to the script but pointed out earlier he's unpredictable. >> some might say just the fact that they are gathering is the bit of progress that we are watching today. jack blanchard, andrew shapiro, thank you so much. up next, buttigieg and the black vote, as the candidate heads to the carolinas and a meeting with a 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simple and safe, with over half a million satisfied customers. visit legacybox.com today, and get 40% off. welcome back. with just 64 days until the iowa caucus, mayor pete buttigieg is reaching out to black voters with events in the carolinas. in the past month alone headlines questioning the mayor's ability to gain support from black voters were hard to avoid and so have the polling numbers. joe biden has overwhelming support among black voters with 4 43%. 22% voters did not have an answer, 4% for pete buttigieg and 1% not at all. buttigieg atended services in north carolina and afterwards spoke with will wam barrier ii about the devastating effects of poverty. >> an election like this we have to think about whether we are making ourselves useful to those who are most vulnerable and those who are most. nearly half of the country is in poverty, that one job is not enough, that too many lack access to housing, to health care, to decent education, to the very basics of life. >> in the next hour, buttigieg will speak in charleston, south carolina, at a roundtable discussion with fast food workers fighting for higher minimum wages. buttigieg is in fourth place in recent polling at 6%. 18% of voters did not have an answer or were not available. joining us from south carolina, shaquille brewster and associate editor and columnist, a.b. stoddard, shermichael singleton, republican strategist. shaq, how is buttigieg being received and he's the latest, if you will, talk, but you have specifically seen many different cycles with a different front-runner. >> that's very true. we're just going around with new front-runners. it seems, seemingly every month. mayor buttigieg was received prettile with here at green leaf christian church. he spent nearly five hours here, which is something you don't regularly don't see candidates doing, but it started out by just him going to service. he received communion on this first sunday of the month, and also singing and clapping along with some songs, and then went into that roundtable discussion or discussion on poverty with reverend william barber. i want to play the sound for you right now, this is how william barber, a point that he wanted to emphasize at the beginning of service. listen here. >> we embrace all people, regardless of your race, your color, your creed, your sexuality, amen. and we don't buy into these false narratives, you know, we keep hearing them now, some riff between certain communities, black folk. stop putting that on black folk. there's some phobia here among all folks. >> reporter: and mayor pete is making it clear he wants to make black voters a priority. he's starting here in north carolina, but in south carolina tomorrow, he's going to be touring a black vineyard and hvcu and roundtable discussions with latino voters and small business, african-american women, business owners so he's making a point to say that he sees black voters and minority voters as a priority. >> and a.b., to this reporting that shaq has for us, the black vote so important and whether it's a buttigieg opportunity or challenge, it certainly is a challenge and opportunity for the other candidates that don't have the word biden at end of their name. >> yes, that's true. they're all struggling except for the former vice president, who has enjoyed this firewall of support since the minute he got into the race. it has not eroded. these voters essential to the coalition that decides the nomination ultimately for the successful democrat. they trust joe biden. they know that he has been campaigning to earn their trust for decades, you know, longer than pete buttigieg has probably been alive, and while what he's doing is definitely the right thing to do, to go and to stay five hours, to listen to people, to talk to people, to pray with them, to sing with them, it is an earnest effort to be there and ask for their support. it might be too late, it might not be enough. it is the right thing to do but it is a really steep challenge when you have someone like joe biden with such a solid firewall in south carolina, where 65% of the electorate deciding that that vote in the south carolina primary is african-american, and largely supporting biden. >> shermichael, good points made by the other two panelists here. if you're not joe biden, is it too steep? 43%. >> that's a significant number, richard, and not only does he have the 40% plus with african-americans but you look at nearly every single national poll, joe biden still remains the front-runner. most voters writ large african-americans, white voters, still believe that joe biden is the best individual to actually defeat donald trump. so while i think it's very important and critical for mayor pete to be in south carolina, there's a lot of skepticism among african-americans, particularly older ones about mayor pete. he has to go there and answer some of those questions and with hopes of lowering that wall and level of skepticism. look, we still have time. i'm not going to say at this point that african-americans can't potentially come around to mayor pete. i think if he can do well in iowa, new hampshire, and also show that not only he can do it with white voters but african-american voters, keep in mind black voters live in those two states. although the numbers are small, they still reside there, i think he would then in turn be able to make a legitimate case to black voters, hey, i know you looked at joe biden but give me an earnest shot, give me an opportunity to see if i can drive home the message. i think voters would be open to that. >> shaq, putting on your punditry hat, i know you're not a pundit, you're a correspondent for nbc news, what will make pete buttigieg not the flavor of the month? >> reporter: you know, that's one of the things that we're watching to see. if you look at the past week, we've seen mayor pete under the glare of this front-runner status. he's had to defend positions and statements that he made recently or as far back as 2011 in terms of a comment he made about education among poor and minority communities. so when those comments continue to go and when he's responding and on the defensive regularly, remember the ad that came out last week, he went after elizabeth warren and bernie sanders and their college proposal. now that's on defense and now that he's trying to face more attacks on trying to repel against more attacks it will be interesting see how he responds to those and whether or not he becomes more aggressive or whether he takes them in stride. >> what sticks, is really the question. shaq brewster, a.b. stoddard, shermichael singleton, i owe you one, sorry, it's a quick moving hour. i appreciate all three of you for your time. coming up ahead of giving tuesday, an organization that's giving back to america's veterans. nyquil severe gives you powerful relief for your worst cold and flu symptoms, on sunday night and every night. nyquil severe. the nightime, sniffling, sneezing, coughing, aching, stuffy head, best sleep with a cold, medicine. will this tuesday beat the $400 million raised for chair tennessee/one day in 2018? giving tuesday is now just two days away, and one charity, camp southern ground raises funds to help veterans and children in an outdoor camp environment. here's why. the latest census report shows more than 18 million vets in america. more than 40,000 of them are homeless on any given night in america. 20 out of 100 vets deal with post-traumatic stress. camp southern ground puts together year long programs to help veterans and childrens in veteran families. it was founded by zac brown. he shared his personal reasons for opening the camp with ""nbc nightly news". >> camp gave me courage to be who i was. >> my next guest did two tours in afghanistan, participated in the program at camp southern ground, now works at camp southern ground. sergeant, thanks for be with us. >> thank you, richard. thanks for having me. >> you bet you. thank you for your service. thank you for working at camp southern ground. what was it like working at the program? what did it each you? what did you learn from it? >> i went through warrior week. we run two programs there. we run warrior week. warrior week, the qualitative measure for that would be wellness and work force readiness. we do a multitude of different things from nutrition to goal setting. we take a personality test, take the strength finder test. there's a business panel of finance and legal panel that's all provided for us sans fees, no cost to us, and not just why they're there continuing on. >> sergeant, what did you learn from it? how did it change you after you finished that particular program? >> for me, i think the personality test was a big thing, learning how i operated, what that looked like in a healthy state of unhealthy state of mind. i had my wife take it as well. i think it's really helped in our marriage. i understand why she operates and why. that helps to know the why of things of who you are. >> we were saying every married couple could benefit from that test you were talking about. >> yeah, for sure. >> tell me about pts and ptsd that is most often misunderstood. >> yeah, i think it's misunderstood for a multitude of reasons. i think one, it was lately defined in the dms, the manual for mental health issues. and i think that there's just a misperception from the media or h hollywood films that portray veterans to be hostile and full of rage and dysfunctional. and that's -- that's not the truth. you know? i think it's not exclusive -- ptsd is not exclusive to veterans. >> exactly. zac brown, why him? why a camp if you can say that quickly for me? >> yeah, zac went to summer camp growing up his whole life and was a camp counselor, and it really shaped who he was. it really affected him positively and he always had the dream to open up a camp, not the typical summer camp. he wanted to do something more with it. >> it looks beautiful too. >> it's an amazing facility. >> how did your wife and your family help you when you returned? what do they do as caregivers to make it better for you? >> i have an amazing support system. my wife -- my wife and my family were there for me every step of the way even when i tried to not have them be. but they were great through the whole thing. and i think even with that great support, i really struggled. and it's when i was struggling deeply that i realized i have this great support system and i'm still struggling and it made me want to help the other veterans that don't have that same support system because i couldn't imagine the magnitude in which they are struggling. >> and you are sergeant. sergeant jenna bachman, retired. upcoming giving tuesday is upon us. join me back next saturday and sunday, 4:00 eastern. you can reach out to me on social media. 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