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Thats it for me. Im gigi stone woods. The news continues right now with my colleague, david, whos been tweeting this whole hour constantly. Thank you very much. Great to see you. Good afternoon, im david gura at msnbc headquarters in new york. We start this hour with President Trump who is spending the weekend at his golf resort in bedminster, new jersey. The president ending his week touting fridays economic numbers. Secondquarter gdp growth of 4. 1 , that is the fastest pace since 2014. Hes not been able to change the subject, avoiding all questions about the latest revelations from his former personal Attorney Michael Cohen who nbc news reports is prepared to tell investigators that President Trump had prior knowledge of that nowinfamous june, 2016, view that meeting differently perhaps in light of what we heard on that tape, in light of what weve learned this week. Cnn reporting, other outlets following here, that Michael Cohen is willing to testify that donald trump did know about this meeting before it took place here. Were talking about a potentially very birthday on tthe very pivotal period of two, three months in the summer of 2016 . Thats right. And if this is true, then Michael Cohen witnessed something and will testify to that effect, then of course that would be tremendously important. It would link the president personally to the meeting which in which his son was promised dirt from the russian government and responded eagerly, if its what you say, i love it, in an attempt at collusion if nothing else. I think, though, that im a bit cautious about this particular one. I know that cnn reported it and a few others followed. Notice that no one on the record is reporting it. And unless and until it comes out on the record from mr. Cohen or his lawyer, im wondering whether this is real or is this a flirtation with mueller trying to get some kind of interest in terms of maybe hell cooperate and make his problems in the Southern District of new york go away. Theres a lot of Question Marks hanging over whether this particular thing is concrete yet. Betsy, i want to get your reaction to the way the president has reacted to the reporting about what Michael Cohen might or might not say here. We looked at that tweet a few minutes ago. He doesnt call out lanny davis by name. He doesnt mention Michael Cohen by name, as well. We see him as the taxicab medallion pedlar, Something Like that. Youve written about this for the daily beast. Give me a sense of what that indicates to you, the way that the president is engaging with the story. Sources told my colleague and me earlier this week that as the president was watching this news unfold late one evening on cable, he hurled obscenities at the television. He was deeply frustrated with the revelation that Michael Cohen may potentially make this claim to robert mueller. Coverage of national and international news, including breaking stories. This is this is coming to a head really. As mr. Cohen is going to, you know, possibly testify before, you know, mr. Mueller. And its a very interesting time, though. Charlie, how did you process hearing that tape . What did you think when you heard it for the first time in the day since it aired . Youve had the president s Team Casting Aaspersions on it sayin it ends abruptly, making the semantic argument that cash might not mean green currency and the like. What was your reaction to hearing the tape, and how did it change the story for you . Well, i mean, the tape itself is pretty difficult to make out and garbled. The thing that struck me about it was that transcript of sorts that the president s team was floating before we add the actual audio was different than what we heard on the tape. They were sort of adding a few words here and there to make it sounds better surrounding that word cash, than my ears at least were able to detect. I think most normal humans were able to detect. And that, if nothing else, is a sign of suspicion that they felt the need to do that. And also a little bit weird because the tape existed, so it was going to come out. So why why do something where youre so obviously going to get caught . Thats the takeaway i had from it. I want to spend the last couple of minutes talking about the relationship so much as there is one here between the president and the guy who was his lawyer for such a long time, and betsy, your piece has a great headline alluding to the fact that the president s legal team want to bury Michael Cohen at this point. Weve talked in weeks past about the screws being turned on Michael Cohen. Whats happened to the relationship this week . Whats your sense of Michael Cohens thinking at this point from what youve heard from i guess mostly from lanny davis with regard to the picture that weve seen painted here of Michael Cohen today, what he intends to do, what he suggested might happen in the future . The relationship is toast. Its done. Its not ever going to be fixed. These two men are never going to be friends again, never going to have any sort of cordial bond. At least thats the assumption under which Michael Cohen is operating. He is making peace with the fact that this man who used to have a central, almost defining role in his life, this man he spent years and years working for, defending, even in some ways jeopardizing his reputation to protect, that this relationship, this corelationship is no longer exsistent. In fact, the president has completely turned on him. The two men are going from being a loyal and committed to pair to being almost out to get each other. Another thing that cohen and his allies are preparing for is for the onslaught of attacks that hes going to receive from people in the president s circle. We dont expect the attacks to come from the white house per se because that would affect their, i dont know, credibility, i guess. People in Rudolph Giulianis circles, allies of the president , are going to be going after cohen. His credibility is a liability to them. All right. Betsy, kurt is, charlie, thanks to all of you, appreciate it. Still ahead, the summer of 2016, who knew about that trump tower meeting . The legal complication says for anyone who decided to keep it a secret and contempt or impeachment . House republicans trying to make the case to oust the Deputy Attorney general Rod Rosenstein. Weighing in next. vo why are Subaru Outback owners always smiling . Because theyve chosen the industry leader. Subaru outback holds its value better than any other vehicle in its class, according to alg. Better than rav4. Better than grand cherokee. Better than edge. Make every adventure a happy one with Subaru Outback. Get 0 Apr Financing on the 2018 Subaru Outback. Hepatitis b, are prone to infections, or have flulike symptoms or sores. Dont start humira if you have an infection. Be there for you, and them. Ask your gastroenterologist about humira. With humira, remission is possible. Are you ready to take your then you need xfinity xfi. . A more powerful way to stay connected. It gives you super fast speeds for all your devices, provides the most Wifi Coverage for your home, and lets you control your network with the xfi app. Its the ultimate wifi experience. Xfinity xfi, simple, easy, awesome. Do you think Rod Rosenstein committed a high crime, a misdemeanor . It is more on those who are in political power and have either not responded in a supervisory and satisfactory mode, so yes, i do believe that. That was house caucus chairman mark meadows whos leading the efforts to impeach Deputy Attorney general Rod Rosenstein. Rosenstein who oversees the Mueller Investigation who has under fire by house conservatives who accuse him of stonewalling on their requests for documents related to the fbis handling of Hillary Clinton emails and the agencys use of fisa warrants. Members of the Freedom Caucus say they will give the fbi until september to turn over documents, but democrats are calling the move nothing more than an effort to undermine robert mueller. Congressman jeffries who sits on the House Judiciary Committee also weighed in tweeting, republican coverup caucus introduced articles of impeachment against Deputy Attorney general. Take a hike. Congressman jeffries of the eighth district here in new york joins me now on set. Let me get your reaction to this. This dropped over these last few days. Youre in recess now, the district work period. Pick what you want to call it. Have cooler heads prevailed . How serious do you think your more conservative colleagues on the republican side are about the effort . It remains to be seen. The speaker of the house, paul ryan, indicated that these charges in no way rose to the serious level of high crimes and misdemeanors. I think the view amongst all of us on the hill, democrats, and hopefully reasonably minded republicans, is that these articles of impeachment are not worth the paper that theyre written on. And it exposes the great hypocrisy of the Republican Party. Theyve claimed for years that they are party of the rule of law. Yet they have regularly supported a president who has gone after the fbi, gone after the special prosecutor, gone after career Law Enforcement officials, and now theyve put Forth Articles Of Impeachment against the republicanappointed Deputy Attorney general for nothing short of his alleged failure to turn over documents. Are you kidding me . When we have a president of the United States Whose Campaign possibly engaged in a criminal conspiracy with russian spies to sell out our democracy and undermine the elections in 2016 and artificially place someone at 1600 pennsylvania avenue. Yet the socalled coverup caucus has nothing to say about that . But they want to impeach Rod Rosenstein on documents. Its just its a joke. You mentioned that the House Speaker addressed this. Listen to what paul ryan had to say about conservatives in his caucus. Do i support impeachment of Rod Rosenstein . No, i do not. Since ive been involved, ive been getting a lot of compliance from doj on the Document Requests. We do not have full compliance, and we have to get full compliance. But weve been making tremendous progress to that point. Congressman jeffries, lets going back lets go back to the hearing where the Deputy Attorney general testified. This came up, he defended himself, defended his Department Vid video sis vociferously. How outofstep was it with paul ryan and the rest of the Republican Party . Hes trying to distract from the ongoing serious Criminal Investigation into the Trump Campaign and try and create this fantasy and fiction and fallacy that this legitimate investigation is a witch hunt. What perplexes me about that whole argument is that every Single Person involved in the alleged witch hunt is a republican. James comey, who started the Criminal Investigation back in 2016, is a republican. Rod rosenstein, whos overseeing the current investigation, republican. Christopher wray, current fbi director, appointed by donald trump, republican. And of course, bob mueller is a longstanding republican who was incredibly well respected coming into the appointment and has served his country. This is all just a charade, a kangaroo court. It is a threering circus that is designed to distract. We as democrats are going to keep our eye on the prize. Were going to call it what it is but then focus on governing for the people to make life better for everyday americans, not for the wealthy and the well off, special interests, mega corporations, big donors. Before he left for new jersey for the weekend, President Trump spoke on the south lawn of the white house. He talked about the economy. He talked about trade. He talked about the recent gdp read. And it became clear that thats going to be what hes going to be campaigning on as we head to november. Youre going to be out in the streets in brooklyn, elsewhere, in new york campaigning for democrats. I want to ask about this issue in particular youre going to keep your eye on the prize and all that entails when you look at the democrats plan. Whats your sense to the degree which voters care about this issue, about the russia investigation, you talk about letting it play its course, run its course, and is that something you hear from constituents that they want that to happen . How much is this front of mine from those youre talking about in Prospect Heights or elsewhere in New York State . One of the reasons democrats have indicated in our conversations with the American People that were going to be focused on pocketbook issues is because we know when were out talking to our constituents that they care about things like the Health Care Costs that are skyrocketing out of control and that the republicans are making worse, not better, as a result of the attacks on the Affordable Care act. Were going to work to drive down Health Care Costs, strengthen the Affordable Care act, and dramatically reduce the cost of Prescription Drugs which we hear from our constituents all across the country. We have a crumbling infrastructure, and what were going to do is rebuild america. And that will create 16 million goodpaying jobs. We have a trilliondollar plan. The republicans have a fake plan. It will increase pay for those involved. And repairing crumbling roads, bridges, Mass Transportation system and ports. Were also hearing from our constituents that they want us to do something about cleaning up corruption in washington so that Government Works for them, not for the privileged few. And so thats what were going to be focused on as part of our for the people agenda, not for the privileged, for the people. Congresswoman, great to see you. Thank you. Hakeem jeffries from new york. Editorinchief of law fair, and Senior Fellow at the Brookings Institution joining us, and former cia analyst. Ben, let me start with and the debate thats been raging on in law fair, debate, ink has been spilled over the issue of impeachment and Rod Rosenstein. Want to get your perspective on what weve seen from more conservative members of the caucus. Your sense of the potential longevity of this argument after we had this august recess. Well, i mean, they are clearly very committed to putting a lot of pressure on Rod Rosenstein. And impeachment is one, you know, threat that they can wield in order to do that. Another one is contempt. Of course another one is just the endless blizzard of subpoenas and Document Requests that then fuel all of the other threats. Its absurd, quite ridiculous. Its very dangerous because the you know, there simply has never been a time before when congress has demanded this kind of information in this volume about pending investigations. That said, theyre not going to impeach Rod Rosenstein. So the specific threat is a bit silly. Nada, i want to get your perspective, as well. Weve heard from the president and his advisers, attacks on the fbi, on the Justice Department. Is this advancing that . Is this taking that to a new level when you have Members Of Congress here raising the specter of impeachment . Absolutely. I think that it is. When you listen to what ben had just said, this does take it to a whole new level. When you look at how devin nunez had treated the information, intelligence, when he wrote his infamous memo, he politicized everything to fit his narrative. I think its a valid argument that we would be concerned that this group of lawmakers would be doing the same thing. And its extremely dangerous when lawmakers take intelligence and then use it and spin it to support their own case because what it does, it distorts the facts. It can also expose sources and methods. Thats also a very real concern. Ben, there was a piece in the New York Times by michael schmidt, focusing on President Trump<\/a> who is spending the weekend at his golf resort in bedminster, new jersey. The president ending his week touting fridays economic numbers. Secondquarter gdp growth of 4. 1 , that is the fastest pace since 2014. Hes not been able to change the subject, avoiding all questions about the latest revelations from his former personal Attorney Michael Cohen<\/a> who nbc news reports is prepared to tell investigators that President Trump<\/a> had prior knowledge of that nowinfamous june, 2016,\rview that meeting differently perhaps in light of what we heard on that tape, in light of what weve learned this week. Cnn reporting, other outlets following here, that Michael Cohen<\/a> is willing to testify that donald trump did know about this meeting before it took place here. Were talking about a potentially very birthday on tthe very pivotal period of two, three months in the summer of 2016 . Thats right. And if this is true, then Michael Cohen<\/a> witnessed something and will testify to that effect, then of course that would be tremendously important. It would link the president personally to the meeting which in which his son was promised dirt from the russian government and responded eagerly, if its what you say, i love it, in an attempt at collusion if nothing else. I think, though, that im a bit cautious about this particular one. I know that cnn reported it and a few others followed. Notice that no one on the record is reporting it. And unless and until it comes out on the record from mr. Cohen or his lawyer, im wondering\rwhether this is real or is this a flirtation with mueller trying to get some kind of interest in terms of maybe hell cooperate and make his problems in the Southern District<\/a> of new york go away. Theres a lot of Question Marks<\/a> hanging over whether this particular thing is concrete yet. Betsy, i want to get your reaction to the way the president has reacted to the reporting about what Michael Cohen<\/a> might or might not say here. We looked at that tweet a few minutes ago. He doesnt call out lanny davis by name. He doesnt mention Michael Cohen<\/a> by name, as well. We see him as the taxicab medallion pedlar, Something Like<\/a> that. Youve written about this for the daily beast. Give me a sense of what that indicates to you, the way that the president is engaging with the story. Sources told my colleague and me earlier this week that as the president was watching this news unfold late one evening on cable, he hurled obscenities at the television. He was deeply frustrated with the revelation that Michael Cohen<\/a> may potentially make this claim to robert mueller. Coverage of national and international news, including breaking stories. This is this is coming to a head really. As mr. Cohen is going to, you know, possibly testify before, you know, mr. Mueller. And its a very interesting time, though. Charlie, how did you process hearing that tape . What did you think when you heard it for the first time in the day since it aired . Youve had the president s Team Casting Aaspersions<\/a> on it sayin it ends abruptly, making the semantic argument that cash might not mean green currency and the like. What was your reaction to hearing the tape, and how did it change the story for you . Well, i mean, the tape itself is pretty difficult to make out and garbled. The thing that struck me about it was that transcript of sorts that the president s team was floating before we add the actual audio was different than what we heard on the tape. They were sort of adding a few words here and there to make it sounds better surrounding that word cash, than my ears at least were able to detect. I think most normal humans were\rable to detect. And that, if nothing else, is a sign of suspicion that they felt the need to do that. And also a little bit weird because the tape existed, so it was going to come out. So why why do something where youre so obviously going to get caught . Thats the takeaway i had from it. I want to spend the last couple of minutes talking about the relationship so much as there is one here between the president and the guy who was his lawyer for such a long time, and betsy, your piece has a great headline alluding to the fact that the president s legal team want to bury Michael Cohen<\/a> at this point. Weve talked in weeks past about the screws being turned on Michael Cohen<\/a>. Whats happened to the relationship this week . Whats your sense of Michael Cohen<\/a>s thinking at this point from what youve heard from i guess mostly from lanny davis with regard to the picture that weve seen painted here of Michael Cohen<\/a> today, what he intends to do, what he suggested might happen in the future . The relationship is toast. Its done. Its not ever going to be fixed. These two men are never going to be friends again, never going to have any sort of cordial bond. At least thats the assumption under which Michael Cohen<\/a> is operating. He is making peace with the fact that this man who used to have a central, almost defining role in his life, this man he spent years and years working for, defending, even in some ways jeopardizing his reputation to protect, that this relationship, this corelationship is no longer exsistent. In fact, the president has completely turned on him. The two men are going from being a loyal and committed to pair to being almost out to get each other. Another thing that cohen and his allies are preparing for is for the onslaught of attacks that hes going to receive from people in the president s circle. We dont expect the attacks to come from the white house per se because that would affect their, i dont know, credibility, i guess. People in Rudolph Giulianis<\/a> circles, allies of the president , are going to be going after cohen. His credibility is a liability to them. All right. Betsy, kurt is, charlie, thanks to all of you, appreciate it. Still ahead, the summer of 2016, who knew about that trump\rtower meeting . The legal complication says for anyone who decided to keep it a secret and contempt or impeachment . House republicans trying to make the case to oust the Deputy Attorney<\/a> general Rod Rosenstein<\/a>. Weighing in next. vo why are Subaru Outback<\/a> owners always smiling . Because theyve chosen the industry leader. Subaru outback holds its value better than any other vehicle in its class, according to alg. Better than rav4. Better than grand cherokee. Better than edge. Make every adventure a happy one with Subaru Outback<\/a>. Get 0 Apr Financing<\/a> on the 2018 Subaru Outback<\/a>. Hepatitis b, are prone to infections, or have flulike symptoms or sores. Dont start humira if you have an infection. Be there for you, and them. Ask your gastroenterologist about humira. With humira, remission is possible. Are you ready to take your then you need xfinity xfi. . A more powerful way to stay connected. It gives you super fast speeds for all your devices, provides the most Wifi Coverage<\/a> for your home,\rand lets you control your network with the xfi app. Its the ultimate wifi experience. Xfinity xfi, simple, easy, awesome. Do you think Rod Rosenstein<\/a> committed a high crime, a misdemeanor . It is more on those who are in political power and have either not responded in a\rsupervisory and satisfactory mode, so yes, i do believe that. That was house caucus chairman mark meadows whos leading the efforts to impeach Deputy Attorney<\/a> general Rod Rosenstein<\/a>. Rosenstein who oversees the Mueller Investigation<\/a> who has under fire by house conservatives who accuse him of stonewalling on their requests for documents related to the fbis handling of Hillary Clinton<\/a> emails and the agencys use of fisa warrants. Members of the Freedom Caucus<\/a> say they will give the fbi until september to turn over documents, but democrats are calling the move nothing more than an effort to undermine robert mueller. Congressman jeffries who sits on the House Judiciary Committee<\/a> also weighed in tweeting, republican coverup caucus introduced articles of impeachment against Deputy Attorney<\/a> general. Take a hike. Congressman jeffries of the eighth district here in new york joins me now on set. Let me get your reaction to this. This dropped over these last few days. Youre in recess now, the district work period. Pick what you want to call it. Have cooler heads prevailed . How serious do you think your\rmore conservative colleagues on the republican side are about the effort . It remains to be seen. The speaker of the house, paul ryan, indicated that these charges in no way rose to the serious level of high crimes and misdemeanors. I think the view amongst all of us on the hill, democrats, and hopefully reasonably minded republicans, is that these articles of impeachment are not worth the paper that theyre written on. And it exposes the great hypocrisy of the Republican Party<\/a>. Theyve claimed for years that they are party of the rule of law. Yet they have regularly supported a president who has gone after the fbi, gone after the special prosecutor, gone after career Law Enforcement<\/a> officials, and now theyve put Forth Articles Of Impeachment<\/a> against the republicanappointed Deputy Attorney<\/a> general for nothing short of his alleged failure to turn over documents. Are you kidding me . When we have a president of the United States<\/a> Whose Campaign<\/a> possibly engaged in a criminal conspiracy with russian spies to\rsell out our democracy and undermine the elections in 2016 and artificially place someone at 1600 pennsylvania avenue. Yet the socalled coverup caucus has nothing to say about that . But they want to impeach Rod Rosenstein<\/a> on documents. Its just its a joke. You mentioned that the House Speaker<\/a> addressed this. Listen to what paul ryan had to say about conservatives in his caucus. Do i support impeachment of Rod Rosenstein<\/a> . No, i do not. Since ive been involved, ive been getting a lot of compliance from doj on the Document Requests<\/a>. We do not have full compliance, and we have to get full compliance. But weve been making tremendous progress to that point. Congressman jeffries, lets going back lets go back to the hearing where the Deputy Attorney<\/a> general testified. This came up, he defended himself, defended his Department Vid<\/a> video sis vociferously. How outofstep was it with paul ryan and the rest of the Republican Party<\/a> . Hes trying to distract from the ongoing serious Criminal Investigation<\/a> into the Trump Campaign<\/a> and try and create this fantasy and fiction and fallacy that this legitimate investigation is a witch hunt. What perplexes me about that whole argument is that every Single Person<\/a> involved in the alleged witch hunt is a republican. James comey, who started the Criminal Investigation<\/a> back in 2016, is a republican. Rod rosenstein, whos overseeing the current investigation, republican. Christopher wray, current fbi director, appointed by donald trump, republican. And of course, bob mueller is a longstanding republican who was incredibly well respected coming into the appointment and has served his country. This is all just a charade, a kangaroo court. It is a threering circus that is designed to distract. We as democrats are going to keep our eye on the prize. Were going to call it what it\ris but then focus on governing for the people to make life better for everyday americans, not for the wealthy and the well off, special interests, mega corporations, big donors. Before he left for new jersey for the weekend, President Trump<\/a> spoke on the south lawn of the white house. He talked about the economy. He talked about trade. He talked about the recent gdp read. And it became clear that thats going to be what hes going to be campaigning on as we head to november. Youre going to be out in the streets in brooklyn, elsewhere, in new york campaigning for democrats. I want to ask about this issue in particular youre going to keep your eye on the prize and all that entails when you look at the democrats plan. Whats your sense to the degree which voters care about this issue, about the russia investigation, you talk about letting it play its course, run its course, and is that something you hear from constituents that they want that to happen . How much is this front of mine from those youre talking about in Prospect Heights<\/a> or elsewhere in New York State<\/a> . One of the reasons democrats have indicated in our conversations with the American People<\/a> that were going to be focused on pocketbook issues is\rbecause we know when were out talking to our constituents that they care about things like the Health Care Costs<\/a> that are skyrocketing out of control and that the republicans are making worse, not better, as a result of the attacks on the Affordable Care<\/a> act. Were going to work to drive down Health Care Costs<\/a>, strengthen the Affordable Care<\/a> act, and dramatically reduce the cost of Prescription Drugs<\/a> which we hear from our constituents all across the country. We have a crumbling infrastructure, and what were going to do is rebuild america. And that will create 16 million goodpaying jobs. We have a trilliondollar plan. The republicans have a fake plan. It will increase pay for those involved. And repairing crumbling roads, bridges, Mass Transportation<\/a> system and ports. Were also hearing from our constituents that they want us to do something about cleaning up corruption in washington so that Government Works<\/a> for them, not for the privileged few. And so thats what were going to be focused on as part of our for the people agenda, not for the privileged, for the people. Congresswoman, great to see you. Thank you. Hakeem jeffries from new york. Editorinchief of law fair, and Senior Fellow<\/a> at the Brookings Institution<\/a> joining us, and former cia analyst. Ben, let me start with and the debate thats been raging on in law fair, debate, ink has been spilled over the issue of impeachment and Rod Rosenstein<\/a>. Want to get your perspective on what weve seen from more conservative members of the caucus. Your sense of the potential longevity of this argument after we had this august recess. Well, i mean, they are clearly very committed to putting a lot of pressure on Rod Rosenstein<\/a>. And impeachment is one, you know, threat that they can wield in order to do that. Another one is contempt. Of course another one is just the endless blizzard of subpoenas and Document Requests<\/a> that then fuel all of the other\rthreats. Its absurd, quite ridiculous. Its very dangerous because the you know, there simply has never been a time before when congress has demanded this kind of information in this volume about pending investigations. That said, theyre not going to impeach Rod Rosenstein<\/a>. So the specific threat is a bit silly. Nada, i want to get your perspective, as well. Weve heard from the president and his advisers, attacks on the fbi, on the Justice Department<\/a>. Is this advancing that . Is this taking that to a new level when you have Members Of Congress<\/a> here raising the specter of impeachment . Absolutely. I think that it is. When you listen to what ben had just said, this does take it to a whole new level. When you look at how devin nunez had treated the information, intelligence, when he wrote his infamous memo, he politicized everything to fit his narrative. I think its a valid argument that we would be concerned that this group of lawmakers would be doing the same thing. And its extremely dangerous when lawmakers take intelligence and then use it and spin it to support their own case because what it does, it distorts the facts. It can also expose sources and methods. Thats also a very real concern. Ben, there was a piece in the New York Times<\/a> by michael schmidt, focusing on Robert Muellers<\/a> investigation, what he might be looking into, looking at the tweets of the president. This was something that donald trump responded to. We can talk a bit about the way that the president has reacted to reports in the news over the course of the last week. Let me read this one tweet in particular, he said, the only collusion with russia was with the democrats. Now theyre looking at my tweets along with 53 million other people, whatever that means. The witch hunt continues. How stupid and unfair to our country. So the fake news Doesnt Waste My Time<\/a> with dumb questions, he continues a second tweet, no, i did not know of the meeting of son, don jr. Sounds like someone is try igto make up stories in order to get\rhimself out of an unrelated jam. Taxi cabs, maybe he even retained bill and crooked hillarys lawyer. Gee, i wonder if they helped him make the choice. Well take the tweets in kind starting with the first one here. The interest in the tweets. What we can learn about the president and his thinking from his 140, 280character tweets over the last two years. We can learn a lot. We can learn that hes a very focused thinker whos clear about what hes trying to say, right. And whos always on message. What to make of those tweets. You had me for about five seconds. Yeah. Coherence is not the the strong suit. Look, i mean, bob mueller of course will look at the tweets. This is one of the principal means by which the president is signaling things including to people who are involved in the investigation. So if youre thinking about the pattern of activity that the president is engaged in and how\rthat interacts with the Obstruction Of Justice<\/a> statutes, youre looking at the whole pattern of activity, and one thing that involves is private statements to individuals. One thing that it involves is acts like, you know, firing the fbi director. One thing it involves is public statements like, you know, Helping Draft The<\/a> the denial of the trump Trump Tower Meeting<\/a>, right. And a lot of the president s public statements are in the form of tweets. So it will of course bob mueller is looking at that. Nada, last question. Theyre invoking the Trump Tower Meeting<\/a> of 2016. Again, were talking about it because of the reports this week that Michael Cohen<\/a> reportedly is willing to testify that President Trump<\/a>, thencandidate trump, knew about the existence of the meeting before it happened, contradicting what weve heard from his son and others. Give me a sense of your interest in the meeting. We know who the participants are. A lot of them have spoken to reporters over the last again months. How much of a focus do you think\rthis deserves . What happened in that meeting, and who knew about it when . Well, if you slice and dice this looking at it from an intelligence analysts perspective, you look at the collection of meetings and the contacts and the enmeshment that trump has had or his businesses had with russia. I think this meeting in that context is fairly significant, especially if you take it with the email that trump jr. Received and responded to about maybe having Salacious Information On<\/a> Hillary Clinton<\/a>. I think in total it adds to the picture. And theres one thing id like to say about the tweets. Sure. You know, from an intelligence perspective, theres analysts in russia look at how donald trump communicates. Theyre writing up intelligence reports, probably matching it with how does this line up with the russian narrative on various topics. Theres January Lifts Working In<\/a> analysts working in allied countries of ours also doing the same thing, wondering how much of this is lining up with\rrussias talking points. So yes, all of americas reading those tweets. The rest of the world is also reading those tweets. Great to speak with you. Thank you very much. Dave joining me along with ben, appreciate the time both of you. President trump says the white house has a zerotolerance policy for foreign interference in our elections. What about russia . And 19 months later, what is the strategy for dealing with interference . 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The Justice Department<\/a> has since issued indictments against 12 russian intelligence suspects. On friday President Trump<\/a> held his first meeting on safeguarding elections. How will the administration ensure the integrity of the upcoming midterms . Nbcs intelligence and National Security<\/a> reporter ken delanian has been looking at the answers. I want to read a statement focused focused on interference saying the president has made it clear his administration will not tolerate foreign interference in our elections. As youve pointed out in your reporting, members of the president s cabinet focused on National Security<\/a> have said there is a need for there to be a central, unified effort to stop this from happening again. It doesnt seem like we got that yesterday. Where does that stand . Where does an effort to have a fullscale Government Response<\/a> stand . There isnt such a response, david. That statement is really interesting. Its not clear to me to whom the president has made his view clair on this. He hasnt even been clear on whether he believes russia, in fact, interfered in the 2016 election. Hes called it a home at different times. His Press Secretary<\/a> has had to clean that up. Look, some parts of the government are stepping up their game. The fbi has created a Foreign Influence Task<\/a> force. The department of Homeland Security<\/a> is working with the\rstates to shore up their cyber defenses. But there has been no leadership from the white house. And heres the thing i mean, we can have all the cyber defenses in the world, but theres no way that that can prevent 100 Russian Military<\/a> hackers from getting in somebodys campaign or getting in a voting system. Theyre very good, and they will get in. So what experts say is you have to deter the russians, you have to show that theres a price to be paid for this behavior. So far, the u. S. Government hasnt done that. Now in fairness, many people say the Obama Administration<\/a> didnt do it either. The response to russian hacking by obama was considered pretty tepid. He expelled 60 diplomats. He closed some compounds. There were people in the Obama Administration<\/a> pushing to do more. For example, the u. S. Could release embarrassing information about Vladimir Putin<\/a>s corrupt billions that he has stashed away in bank accounts. Theres no evidence that weve done that. And as a result, you know, the director of national intelligence, dan coates, has said that the russians are in a daily on a daily basis continuing to interfere in our politics, manipulating social\rmedia, spewing propaganda, and we saw that they tried to hack Claire Mccaskills<\/a> senate account the other day. So suggesting that theyre not deterred from doing exactly what they did in 2016, david. We are just about 100 days away from the midterm elections. And we certainly heard dan coates saying that the lights are blaring, sirens are flashing, whatever it was he used. As we head into the midterms, what are you hearing about what we might face . Off youve heard youve heard of active deterrence, what are experts fearing most when it comes to the elections . Despite the fact we saw attempted Spear Fishing<\/a> against senator claire mccaskill, most u. S. Intelligence officials are saying they are not seeing the kind of preparing the groundwork for attacks on election systems. What they are seeing, though, is bot and trolls on twitter manipulating u. S. Public opinion on a daily basis. Its hard to measure how that will impact the electorate. It surely does have some effect. Ken dilanian, thank you very much, appreciate it. You bet. And imagine traveling to outer space without sound. One woman is on a mission to become americas first deaf astronaut. Nbcs digital team takes you on her journey. They take getting used to. 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I have the highest confidence in him. Do i support impeachment of Rod Rosenstein<\/a> . No, i do not. Theres absolutely no basis to impeach Rod Rosenstein<\/a>. Its an absurd idea, but its designed to diminish the credibility of the Justice Department<\/a> and undermine the Mueller Investigation<\/a>, cause public doubts to be had, and it will cause longterm damage, but they dont care. You heard the House Speaker<\/a> there in the middle. Two republicans and adent out of and a democrat, schiff,\rthere. How specific are you to what paul ryan is saying, hes trying to keep his caucus together . Is this the hill i dont want to say that republicans die on, but is this a fight they should be dying on . This was a p. R. Stunt. Thats all it was. It was mark meadows and 20 of his colleagues in the house trying to give a nice present to donald trump, maybe theyre auditioning, they want cabinet positions, who knows. It was not based in reality. We know its not going to happen. Theyre on recess now for a month. It was important, not only was it two republicans and one democrat, but it was also rosensteins boss. Maybe its wise that theres more bipartisanship, why isnt more stuff happening out of congress . What does this say about that, the fact that these articles were drafted, they were tendered, this is where at least one faction of the republican\rparty is at this point . It says theyre not doing much, right. And for whatever democrats may get blamed for it from President Trump<\/a> or others, the republicans control the house and the senate. So we can during our recess talk to constituents and say, look, congress is not about infrastructure, which we talked about a year ago, but havent talked about since. Theyre not about the Working Class<\/a> or farmers, which weve seen over the last couple of weeks. Theyre about impeaching someone over documents as Congressman Jeffries<\/a> has said. And i will take something that congressman jerry nadler also said, he said that rosenstein is the only person sort of standing in between overreach of the preside president. That is a very, very talking point for voters in the next couple of weeks because theyre starting to see sort of, i think, a president i hate to quote omarosas book yes to answer that, one of the\rreasons many things didnt get done in the house that they Couldnt Have Support<\/a> is because of the 20, 25 Freedom Caucus<\/a> members who wanted to get in the way of everything. That goes to speaker ryans leadership potentially, but you know, these are the same people who are now coming up with that absurd plan to try and true, leadership coming to an end, as well. The question of whats next is there, as well. Let me ask you about the second topic, that is we heard john bolton saying he thinks that the next summit, the sequel to the helsinki summit, should take place maybe in 2019 after the witch hunt ends, as he sees it ending. We saw the reaction to that summit across the aisle. Many republicans were highly critical of the president going to helsinki, having the meeting one on one without the presence of anyone else, critical of the comments he made afterward. Were talking about whether or not republicans should be having the fight over the impeachment of Rod Rosenstein<\/a>. How about the president s insistence that these meetings continue between him and Vladimir Putin<\/a> . How is that resonating do you think with the republican electorate . Not very well. Lets not forget the reason why\rthat meeting came up and the president brought it up through bolton was because dan koetcoat was giving an interview, and it wasnt necessarily what the president wanted to hear. His sorry, his intelligence secretary. Yeah, d i. D i. So donald trump just kind of threw it out there like he does many times. And thats what the real problems were facing now is We Dont Know What Policy<\/a> is. These meetings, so what if they meet, We Dont Know What Policy<\/a>s going to come out of it. Thats whats particularly frightening for the country, and i think republicans are pushing back on. They push back so hard on that impromptu meeting that it caused the white house to come out again and say, oh, no, were going to wait until after january which is code for saying were waiting until after the midterm elections are over. And basil, a lot of people thought the president was played by his russian counterpart. You had Vladimir Putin<\/a> going before cameras saying not only\rwould i wait going to washington, but President Trump<\/a> is welcome here if the circumstances are right. What does that say about, i guess, President Trump<\/a>s engagement with the issue but the degree that which you have a russian president whos making hay out of all this . I would say that the president is not the dealmaker that he told us he was a daleal breaker. A deal breaker. I grew up in the bronx, and we dont get doovers. He wants a doover with the russian president. It cant happen , it shant happen. It shouldnt happen. This something, again, democrats will take to constituents, independents, and republicans. This is against decades of republican dogma what the president is doing. Hopefully we can capitalize on that. Great to say you both. Thank you very much for the time on this saturday. The deadline has passed for more than 600 Migrant Children<\/a> still in government custody. After the break, the challenge to reunite those children with their families. And the otezla Prescribing Information<\/a> has no requirement for routine lab monitoring. 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Go your own way get your first prescription free at anoro. Com. A federal judge is praising the Trump Administration<\/a> for its efforts to reunite Migrant Children<\/a> with its parents. 1,800 children are now back with their parents. Whats next for these families . 1,000 of them could face immediate deportation. 600 have been released under supervision. 392 are still detained and being held in i. C. E. Custody. That still leaves 650 children the government deems ineligible for reunification because their parents have already been deported. I want to bring in my panel now. Victoria is an msnbc contributor and professor at the lbj school of Public Affairs<\/a> at the university of texas. Jose, let me start with you. Youre a lawyer in private practice here. You have made that journey to the border many times now. You have clients who are down there. Whats the status of them . After passing that deadline yesterday, a lot of people are wondering how things are and whats next. Gratefully, for 20 of my clients, i represent approximately 20 mothers. Of the 20, only one mother remains there. Shes absolutely anguished to still be there because she saw all of her fellow mothers being released and now shes the last one to be released. We are trying so desperately to get her released and reunited with her children. Unfortunately, as of today, she just called me this morning, she still is at the detention facility. Victoria, i want to get your perspective on this as well, maybe more broadly looking at policy here. You had that judge out in san diego extending the deadline for this just a little bit. You saw the efforts that the government made to make this happen. Whats your sense of where things stand at this point . How right the federal government has made this now that weve hit the deadline. The number 650 is a pretty big number to me. Those are the number of children who are still in limbo. About 400 parents have been deported or have left the country, and then you have about another 200 kids in detention who are deemed ineligible to be reunited with their family because the parents have a criminal record or for whatever reason and theyre pending further examination. So 650. And the question is how are we going to reunify those children . What is being done, both on the legal aspect, are we working with foreign governments to contact the parents that are in honduras and guatemala and el salvador and try to get them linked up . What are the bureaucratic mechanisms . Thats the question for me. Aside from the human and the moral question. Every day that passes that these children are alone in detention centers, we are doing irreparable harm. So theres the bureaucratic and the Human Component<\/a> to this number. Jose, youve been back and forth and i wonder how much things have changed. I want to read from that judge out in san diego. This problem cannot repeat. What was lost in the process was the family. There has to be a procedure or protocol in place. I recall Jacob Soboroff<\/a> holding up that flowchart for whats supposed to happen for this to work. Has it changed as youve seen it . It has made some changes. These families, the ones that i represent have been reunited. However, it is absolutely \rthere is no that i can see any rhyme or reason. Ive spoken to several i. C. E. Officials and they keep shifting me around. Call this number, call this number. Its been so difficult. I really think that luckily for some of these women, they had someone advocating for them. Unfortunately, there are hundreds of mothers that have no one to advocate for them. And i dont know what, if any, safeguards there are. For example, all of the mothers that were released from arizona were given a sheet of paper to sign and they were told you want to leave here . Sign this paper. That paper was in english. I was given a copy of that paper and its a lot of misleading language in there thats only in english. And theres no one there to tell them, to read them, okay, this is what this means. This is what this means. Its just theyre signing blindly. Some of them are signing documents that they have no business signing. Waiving certain rights. I am scared that a lot of women who were deported were deported not knowing what rights, if any,\rthey had and they waived them away. Now theyre separated from their children and its going to be extremely difficult to reunite little kids, some of them 5, 6, 7 years old, with a mother who is thousands and thousands of miles away in a foreign country. Im just going to read quickly from the aclu. They have asked the court to block any deportations for seven days after we are notified of reunification so that we can make sure families have the opportunity to meet with lawyers, are fully apprised of their options and can make the decision that is best for them. Jose, thank you very much. Victoria, my thanks to you as well. And that is it for me. Im david gura. Join me tomorrow at 2 00 p. M. And 3 00 p. M. Eastern time. All in with chris hayes is next. Have a great night. Insurance that wont replace\rand help you feel more Strength Energy<\/a> in just 2 weeks. Ill take that. Ensure high protein, with 16 grams of protein and 4 grams of sugar. Ensure\u00ae man 1 this is my body of proof. Woman 1 proof of less joint pain. Woman 2 . And clearer skin. Woman 3 this is my body of proof. Man 2 proof that i can fight psoriatic arthritis. Woman 4 . With humira. Woman 5 humira targets and blocks a specific source of inflammation that contributes to both joint and skin symptoms. 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