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Including 27 children. Bill neely joins us from cairo, aoe skwreuplt. The numbers are horrific. Whats the latest . Reporter good morning, alex. As you said, the death toll still rising. It is now 305. As you said, 27 of them children. We have been speaking to a teacher from that town where the mosque was. He said the attack lasted 45 minutes. Thats 45 minutes of continuous gunfire. Truly horrific. As you say, the worst terror attack in history and one of the worst recently in the middle east. So a day of mourning here. In fact, three days of mourning and of military response with warplanes targeting what are described as terrorist targets. A massacre without mercy and mayhem after egypts deadly terror attack. Even ambulances targeted outside. Inside more than 300 people dead, murdered as they prayed. Nearly all were men. But there were dozens of children among the dead and injured. More than 100 wounded, hundreds more traumatized. This morning relatives took bodies away for burial. Entire families were killed. After militants singled out the mosque in the town of abir al abed. The gunman, perhaps dozens in four offroad vehicles opening fire inside and out on worshippers. Even by the deadly standards of the middle east, this was a ruthless attack. Islamist militants have been conducting attacks against Egyptian Security outposts. But an attack against a mosque crosses a new threshold. The mosque is in sinai province, a virtual wall war zone, which isis is trying to take over. Two years ago in the skies over sinai, isis brought down a russianbound plane using a bomb in a soda can, killing 224. This year they have attacked dozens of christians, including inside a church. Attacks Egypt Security forces seem unable to stop. President trump condemned the horrible and cowardly terrorist attack. Egypts presidency assisi. Warplanes destroying vehicles sent to have been used in the attack and bombing what the military claim are terrorists in mountain hideouts. In egypt today, deep shock at the massacre of so many civilians at worship inside a holy place by islamist gunmen. Well, theres been no formal claim of responsibility from any group so far. But no one here is in doubt that isis did this. So a manhunt today, three days of mourning, a longterm president for egypts president. If he stands for anything, he stands for security and stability. Alex, there is neither here today. Yeah. There sure isnt. What a horrible story. Bill neely, thank you for reporting from cairo. New questions this morning about russian meddling in the 2016 u. S. Election and reports that Michael Flynns legal team stopped communicating with President Trumps legal team. Lawyers for mr. Trump, special Counsel Robert Mueller and flynn are not confirming the reports. Joining me now professor at duke law. Good saturday morning to you. Nice to see you again. Lets get right to it. Why would legal teams stop talking . Does it mean they will be trying to cut a deal with mueller . It makes it likely he at least scheduled a meeting to talk about that. Defendant subjects in these complex investigations routinely enter whats called a common Defense Agreement or joint Defense Agreement, they can share privileged material without giving up the Attorney Client privilege. They generally require when somebody changes from the common defense to talking to the government, they must notify the other parties to the agreement so they dont continue to share privileged material with an individual who might be talking to the government. It is pretty clear from reports that that kind of notification has been given to attorneys in the Russian Investigation by flynns attorneys and that probably means that flynn has at least scheduled a meeting to talk to muellers team. In terms of content, and speaking about the government. In march, he offered to talk to the fbi in congress but in return for immunity. They said, no, we will turn you down on that. Does it mean he has a bigger fish to offer muellers team . Well, i think thats likely, alex. And the reason i say that is because even though he hasnt yet with mueller, generally a defense lawyer will not bring his client in for a meeting like this with prosecutors and fbi agents without having first assured himself that his client is in a position to offer something and get a deal. Because otherwise youre subjecting your client to questioning by the government with very little protection. And that kind of questioning really ultimately little makes it very, very difficult for somebody to change course and fight the case and go to trial. So a good lawyer will vet ahead of time with the client and make sure the client has something that the lawyer thinks the lawyer can trade with the government. So if in fact, theres going to be a meeting, probably some preliminary discussions have occurred with the lawyer previewing for the team what flynn might say. Both sides think this is worth pursuing. But what if he cant deliver . What if ultimately what flynn is willing to say doesnt meet the expectations of mueller and his team . Then he wont get the deal. Typically a Cooperation Agreement or flipping as its called, doesnt happen until you have had a series of what are called proffer meetings, an agreement to sit down and see what the government has to say. The government is looking for two things. They want to know what information of value does this witness potentially have and is this witness credible. Will he stand crossexamination interest be able to help you prove a case . A potential cooperator has to get thumbs up on both scores. Thats the purpose of the proffer meeting. A good lawyer would not bring in his client unless that lawyer had himself put his client through the wringer and had a pretty high degree of confidence that the client was going to pass on both scores. So if flynn agrees to cooperate, is that some sort of a sign that he does not feel a possible president ial pardon would be able to protect him . Well, i dont know. You know, thats the unique part of this case. This is just a factor that normally doesnt come into play in routine criminal investigations obviously. Extremely challenging for defense counsel to advise a client with this possibility heading in the wings. Because theres no precedent. Whats your level of confidence that youre going to be able to get a pardon . You know, unless youve been told by the white house that that is forth coming, which itself would be a very serious matter and itself would be obstruction of justice if the white house were signal to go witnesses they could count on a pardon. That hasnt really occurred. Then youre rolling the dice to go all the way down the course of a federal prosecution and take a long sentence just counting on the fact that the president will pardon. Thats a big risk. In the same vane, he said i hope you can see your way clear to letting flynn go. Hes a good guy. I hope you will let him go. Would a pardon for flynn put the president in legal jeopardy . Well, i think, you know, weve been talking about this a little bit phurpbg legamong leg. I think the exercise of a pardon could be obstruction of justice. You know, if its designed to protect the president from his own legal liability, i think the pardon itself might be valid. The president has that constitutional power. But that doesnt mean that the president s persist of the pardon couldnt itself be part of an object on instruction of justice case against the president. And i think if flynn does cooperate and there is significant information forth coming from him about wrongdoing involving the campaign, that really puts the obstruction case around the comey firing and this request to drop the case against flynn in a much, much brighter light. I mean, it really will drive home the point that the president had something to lose if the fbi didnt prosecute if the fbi went ahead and prosecuted flynn and he had a real strong motive for wanting the fbi to drop the case. Because now well see potentially that flynn had information that was damaging to the president. And it wasnt just about, oh, flynn is a nice guy. All right. Needless to say, samuel, well be talking with you again. Thank you so much. Thanks, alex. Person of the year or not . What the president has to say by saying thanks anyway to Time Magazine. And mike quigley of the Intelligence Committee joins me to talk about the latest investigation. 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Get symbicort free for up to one year. Visit saveonsymbicort. Com today to learn more. A new feud on twitter this time with Time Magazine annual person of the year. He tweeted last nightTime Magazine called to say i probably would be named man person of the year like last year. But i would have to agree to an interview and a major photo shoot. I said probably is no good and took a pass. Thanks anyway. Time magazine said the president is incorrect about how we choose person of the year. Lets bring in democratic strategiest of Young Democrats of on america, joe watkins, aide to george h. W. Bush and rick tyler, foundry strategies and former Cruz Campaign spokesman. Hi, guys. Welcome to you. Good morning. How do you make sense of this . Oh, good heavens. I think this is one of those situations where trump is, you know, he is a Living Legend in his mind and should be treated as such. Having this conversation i could be the next Time Magazine person of the year. He can tweet about something where he thinks he should be getting credit for something again. What kind of benefit does the president see tweeting this kind of thing. Particularly Time Magazine. He has a thing about Time Magazine and the cover hes been on or not. Well, its the kind of argument he likes to have. At the same time, it doesnt cost him anything. It takes some of the spotlight off all the things being thrown away and control the tempo and the news of the day. Do you think his base is a news vacuum that they dont see times tweet as well. They said thats not actually correct, mr. Trump. For the most part his base is very, very loyal to them. He wins with his base when he does this kind of thing. Rick, lets talk with the president still feuding with the nfl, this on twitter as well. He tweeted yesterday. Can you believe that the disrespect for our country, our flag, our anthem continues without penalty to the players. The commissioner has lost control of the hemorrhaging league. Players are the boss. Why is this so personal to him, rick . Well, here again, donald trump is playing to his base. Hes gotten his base to believe the nfl players and the protests are unpatriotic. He is able to wrap himself in the flag. It may be a winning issue for him with his base and with certain americans who dont like to see people kneeling because they see it as a sign of disrespect. So, look, its par for the course. Time magazine is also par for the course. He cant stand someone else will get person of the year. Stalin got it. Adolf hitler. Even somebodys named person of the year, he said i would have got it but i turned it down. This is par for the course in the world of donald trump. Lets be honest, we dont know who is getting person of the year. It could be donald trump. Nobody has driven more news than donald trump ever this year again. I dont know how Time Magazine gets out of not calling him person of the year. He is the news driver. I dont understand this whole tweeting back and forth thing. Im curious your take on the nfl, where you think this is going to go next. He has to continue to do it. It is the meat for his base. A lot of folks who voted for him are folks very into football and have particular opinions on folks kneeling. Its not particularly appealing. You have a budget showdown looming, the tax plan, whether it will pass especially on the senate side. You know, so its distracting away from the big issues happening right now. And something he has time to tweet about. Hes like, all right, im keep the base happy. If he loses his base, hes not in a good position. And the president lashed out at lavar ball again. Calling him a poor mans version of don king but without the hair. He adds, ungrateful fool. How do republicans see these attacks . Well, its not helpful of course. He makes lavar ball. They might want to see a plaque player get beaten up by the president. To the last thing he said there, a black player geten beaten up, do you see a racial element there . I think he called him a poor mans version of don king. He is a supporter of his. That tells you what they think of him as well. The fact that he says its about him. He fells he can go on twitter. Whether it be don king, nfl who predominantly black, he feels he can say these things because he knows its the he red meat for his base. And calling him ungrateful. You should be grateful for what i have done for you. It is how blacks in general should be grateful to him. He definitely now what he was doing. How much influence will the president have in the alabama election. Well be right back with the panel. And at our factory in boston, 1,200 workers are starting their day building on over a hundred years of heritage, craftsmanship and innovation. 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President trump there coming to the defense of Republican Senate candidate roy moore. My panelist is back with me. Rick, i want to start with you here. Why do you think the president decided to go on the record with that position . He had been silent until now. Any reason why he didnt choose to stay silent . In his statement he had said and through Sarah Huckaby sanders, that he said it should drop out. She said no senate seat is worth a child. That was changed to we need this vote on tax reform. They may get that seat and a vote on tax reform. I think the consequences are devastating. Did the president make the right move . Well, i think that alabama voters dont like to be told what to do by people on the outside, so theyre very independent, i think, but the hope is that alabama republicans will say to themselves, you know, we believe what these nine women have said and we just cant in good conscious vote for a candidate who has done this. And so the question remains is will they stay at home, or will they cross over and hope for doug jones or has doug jones sufficiently energized the africanamerican voters by touting somebody that prosecuted the clan and get africanamericans to come out in big numbers . Thats all yet to be seen. For sure. Switching gears here, there are four women now if accusing al franken of inappropriate touching. Is it fair to draw a comparison to that situation and the roy moore controversy . I think its in the situation of Sexual Harassment, in general, i think, obvious, its slightly different in that we are talking actual child abuse. This one is inappropriate groping. But i mean its all in the same larger family of this is a problem. Right. And we have not, we cannot excuse it in anyway, shape or form, no matter if we agree with that person or not. How about you, rick, do you think a different set of standards may be used for senator franken . I think we are going through the process now, we have to look at Sexual Harassment and assault, which is what moore is accused of the same way when i look at first, second and third degree murder and involuntary manslaughter. Al franken did something obviously inappropriate and used remarkably bad judgment and roy moore potentially committed assault. Wh

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