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He came right to the middle and shoot more. Could you see his face . He had a mask. And that witness also saying he she works with the v. A. , she had blood stains on her dress. Pete williams, what fr yoyour s what are you hearing . Reporter according to investigators, a 26yearold man from rutherford county, tennessee, which is not far from nashville, drove to the Church Parking lot just as the church was letting out for the day, the 10 00 service ending at about 11 30, got out of his suv with the engine still running, shot a woman who was coming out of the kurn church, she was killed. And then he went inside and continued to fire. He was confronted by a church usher and according to the police, if it had not been for that usher, things could have been much worse. The police say the usher had a struggle with the gunman, that the gunman beat the usher with his pistol and during the struggle, the gunman shot himself in the left chest. That ended the shooting. Usher r car, he had a permit to carry a weapon. Enbroug he brought his own gun back in and kept an eye on the gunman white waitihile waiting for pol. Obviously it could have been far worse, but still a shock to people in the neighborhood. These people watch me and my family and they were there during my yeah. Loved them all. Its very sad day for everybody. Reporter police are questioning the gun man and also talking to the victims who are in the hospital trying to get a better picture of how it happened inside. But it does appear the gunmans injuries are nonlifethreaten g nonlifethreatening. So undoubtedly charges will be filed. They have said he was a africanamerican man but have not said anything about a motive. People inside the church according to witnesses war mere mixture of people, so not predominant race or ethnic group inside the church. Nonetheless the police say they know the motive, but they havent been public with it yet. Federal people are helping with the police, but this is basically at this point a Police Investigation and the police have promised to release more information about the gunman and why they think this happened in the coming hours. Pete, thank you so much. Very latest gdata for from us pete williams. I want to bring in Jim Cavanaugh former atf special agent in charge and msnbc analyst. There we have it from pete, the latest pieces of information, he was 26, we have an understanding of his background. But this is a church, a neighborhood that is quite diverse and parishioners as well. About 60 of them according to the eyewitness also reflect that community. Right. And look at the targeting here. We always look at the target to try to discern motive. We look at the purpose, the planning. So you have a very deliberate act here. The guy coming to the church, when the Services Just finishing, he has a mask, hes armed. Didnt sound like an ad hoc robbery or anything. Sounds like a guy who is bent on killing members of this congregation. And its a very diverse area. So would is the motive behind the shooting . Revenge, is he trying to get back at somebody there, did somebody at that church done him wrong . Why is this the target of his murder spree on this sunday morning. So that is what bureau fee ded e detectives will try to find out. Search his car, home, computers and discern what the motive is and then look back in the months before at his planning or threats or preoffense behavior as we call it. And we understand he had the plafr mask. Does that tell you anything about the suspect here wearing a mask, not wanting to be recognized or known . Tells me he just might want to get away. A guy bent on murder and suicide doesnt care if you see him, but a guy with a mask often wants to get away. Its not definitive, but it could be that he wanted to commit mass murder, this is what this guy was about, was mass murder despite he didnt achieve that gone. One person dead unfortunately. But he might have wanted to escape. And but for the usher who confronted him and got his own handgun, but for him, its possible a masked gunman could have skaescaped and then wed b talking about all these people shot, one deaded a a gunman at large. So he was a hero. Jim cavanaugh, thank you so much. If another news briefing happen, well get right back to you. Were also watching on this sunday the other breaking story, its this, all across the country in red states, the nfl plays games. Every other sunday would be the seam except not this one. Were seeing many defy and players across the country here standing up against what President Trump has said when those who decided to take a knee during games. And today what we see if we take a look here from seattle, this is what has happened. Does that star spangled banner yet wave and you will notice here seahawks not there. In a statement that they released, they tweeted right before the beginning of the game, they said as a team we have decided that we will not anticipate during the national an them. And they said we will not stand for the injustices. We unite to oppose those that would deny our most basic freedoms. And you saw them not being there, staying in the locker room. This following players across the country remaining defy and in other places against the president s statements. Many athletes taking a knee as the games began before the games began. And some found other ways to express themselves from the patriots joining arms in solidarity as you see here to the steelers choosing to stay in the locker room as the nags tio anthem played out. This began when the president launched an attack against players. Take a knee is now trending this hour. Lets go to Morgan Radford in new jersey. And there also a game kicking off and now about to finish in the fourth quarter, right . Reporter they just finished. People are filing out behind me. But interestingly, this has really been a domino effect. So we have seen this kind of backlash grow throughout the day. It started in the first game of the day in london and we saw players on the field taking a knee along with the owners of the jaguars linking arm and arm. And then right here, we saw the acting owner actually got on the field with a similar thing. But jets is an interesting case because alternatively the actual owner of the jets works for President Trump as an ambassador. So you can see kind of the tension playing out in this team specifically. But also that is kind of the type of tension and discussion were seeing now happen across the country. For example, fans we spoke to today some of them said, hey, look, i support these nfl people who are protesting because frankly, it is their right and what they are standing for is equality, inclusion and diversity. Other people said no, i dont agree and i stand with the president and they said this isnt the time, place or platform for that type of protest. But take a listen to one fan i spoke on to today. I think the sports players, the nfl, nba and Major League Baseball players are completely valley dated u validated and all President Trump is doing is validated everything that the players have been doing. What do you mean validate something. There is inequality in this country. Its not a protest against the military, its a protest about inequality. Reporter and richard, as a reporter, isaiah been really fascinating to watch the speed of this movement, but also too watch to watch it grow. Its expanded to the nba and Major League Baseball. And of course the mega super stars like steph curry, lebron james saying we have a right to our own free expression. Very interesting conversation you lad there. And understanding from a jets fan there in terms of that distinction that so many who have been critical of the president s statements what this difference is. So thank you so much Morgan Radford there in east rutter forward. Appreciate that. I want to bring in our social issues columnist, karen phillips, professor rayshan ray and also sahill kapor. As you were listening to the reporting, that fan delineating what dropping a knee means, standing for equality. This has black lives have been lost is what cappkaepernick wan to stand for, but the president saying this is about standing up for those who fought for the flag. In other flating what this whol process has been about. That is the thing about this whole situation is that everyone has gotten caught up in would is sta who standing and who is 124is nn we should be focusing on why they are protesting in the first place and that is police brutality. And this is getting lost. Are pr place and that is police brutality. And this is getting lost. And that is the most frustrating thing. Were looking at other things instead of the point of why all of this is happening. We need to get back focused on that. And the flag stands for so many Different Things to so many different people. And in this particular situation, Colin Kaepernick is not saying i am against military service, i am against what the flag stands for, i am against the song. Dropping a knee is saying the down has ended on ray shcial equality and we need to get moving. Without a doubt. Research shows police brutality. And africanamericans represent 42 of individuals killed by the police who are not attacking nor who has a weapon at the time that they are killed. So we have to reorient the narrative. This is about the fact that black lives matter. This is the fact that football players, baseball player, basketball players, they are black and brown men and unfortunately, it didnt matter if you are flew it or less affluent, you might be profiled and it can turn deadly. When we look at this, the issue is also political. This is the president of the united states. He practice these statements using the b word there in alabama. This as he is taking what has been called unconventional support for a candidate there in the race for the republican seat. But hes finding that potentially he may not have backed the right person. He also has health care now being pushed forward. Gram kham cassidy also not look good. Is this a political redirection to regrekt teredirect the narra . Since that alabama rally, the president this weekend has tweeted or he retweeted at least 11 times about the nfl, the nba and the nags ap tional anthem protests. It is important to delineate that this is not a froes against the anthem or the flag, this is about people who think the country is not living up to those ideals. The president certainly knows that most of the country in polls thative of kaepernicks protest. And now i think well have a conversation about this. President trump and Race Relations and two of the favorite sports will force the conversation. And you have in the nba and nfl seven out of ten players are africanamerican. So its not a tenable proposition for these teams to simply ignore what the president is saying. Nfl owners donated as you might have watched some 7. 2 million to President Trumps inauguration in january. There are six owners that supported the President Trump, but they have they have lmg un forgely condemned his attack on play eve players including bob kraft. Are you surprised that they are saying we dont think you have it right here, sir . No, and that has been the funny thing to watch are these releases that have come on twitter and social media the last 24 to 36 hours from these nfl owners. At least seven of them gave money to trump when he was running for office. But its not surprising to me to see them come out and lock arms in protest and release these statements when potential money can be affected. When you when Colin Kaepernick was trying to get a job, no one wanted to release a statement and say why they didnt want to sign him or give him a job. But when the effect can come to their pocketbooks, then now were seeing all this unity and unification and isaiah interesting to sits interesting to see all of this happening when the threat of money comes up. So well have tos wheth see catch kaepernick does now get an offer. Thank you all three for being with us. As fans focus on the nfrl and wh nfl and what is happening, there are big plays on capitol hill. The Graham Cassidy bill is struggling to garner support. Senator ted cruz is the latest lawmaker to say he cannot support the current bill. So will the latest attempt to replace and repeal fall flat once again . Stick around. Alright emma, i know its not your favorite but its time for your medicine, okay . You ready . One, two, three. [ both ] emma, emma bobemma bananafanafofemma feefifofemma emma very good sweety, how do you feel . Good. Yeah . You did a really good job, okay . [ female announcer ] to nurses everywhere, thank you, from johnson johnson. [ female announcer ] to nurses everywhere, its ok that everybody ignoits fine. N i drive. Because i get a safe driving bonus check every six months im accident free. And i dont share it with mom right, mom . righhht. Safe driving bonus checks. Only from allstate. Switching to allstate is worth it. And lifes beautiful moments. Ns get between you flonase outperforms the 1 nondrowsy allergy pill. It helps block 6 key inflammatory substances that cause symptoms. Pills block one and 6 is greater than 1. Flonase changes everything. Why should over two hundred years of citi history matter to you . Well, because it tells us something powerful about progress that whether times are good or bad, people and their ideas will continue to move the world forward. As long as they have someone to believe in them. Citi financed the transatlantic cable that connected continents. And the panama canal, that made our world a smaller place. We backed the Marshall Plan that helped europe regain its strength. And pioneered the atm, for cash, anytime. For over two centuries weve supported dreams like these. And the people and companies behind them. So why should that matter to you . Because, today, we are still helping progress makers turn their ideas into reality. And the next great idea could be yours. At least one more republican senator is a no vote on the latest repeal bill. Ted cruz telling a texas audience just this morning he and one more lawmaker are ready to block the Graham Cassidy bill, which could again deny the gop the chance to fulfill a promise years in the making. Last week they took our edits and we said if they took our edits, were a yes. They took it and then removed them. So look, right now, they dont have my vote and i dont think they have mike lees either. With us now rick tyler, also andy slavit, and also atema omara. A greaeat panel. Rick tyler, is this dead . Yeah, its been dead for a long time. I dont know why were revisiting it again. But obviously rand paul is a no. John mccain made it very clear hes upset with the process. And if it ever comes back, it will come back a greer now which is the way they should have started it. So we have obamacare. You can fix obamacare, but we have it, its not going away. Because it is effectively dead. When we look at this, andy, you ran medicare, medicaid, also the Affordable Care act for the obama white house. This latest plan of block grants, the idea that certain states who supported obamacare will now get less, and those who did not support obamacare will be getting more, would this even work . This is a really radical plan. As you say, it would cut dramatically the funds that go to states. It would sharply curtail medicaid which is the program that cares for kids, people with dsz a disabilities, lo disabilities, seniors. And so this is a radical plan, i think that is why it is starting to lose ground. But i would just warn everyone we should try to distinguish between negotiating publicly and being actually against a bill. And with respect to everybody here, people are still leaving themselves room as new language comes on out. So i think its important to understand that until we get to september 30th, i think in thing is still with some laugh life n it. So democrats should not celebrate . Yeah, dems should nocrats sh celebrate. We had wanted to put together a bill with fixes. And all of a sudden Lamar Alexander says conditions work with democrats so this effort coming back up again. It just proves that we have to stay on it until september 30th and if this bill was to pass, it would basically be the same day old Republican Health care legislation that has been the case for nine months that they have been propping that 24 of americans approve. It does not give protections. Still raises premiums. So well keep an eye on to september 30th. Rick, what might be talked about behind the scenes . Again, the differ betweence wha say publicly versus what they are negotiating behind the scenes. What do you mean . Regarding what may happen in thend. Andy was saying lets not necessarily take what is out there and from the details we have of the Graham Cassidy bill here, there still could be other negotiations happening. Ted cruz in that piece of sound we were showing he was saying they promised me this, but yoe so it yet. And i think cruz is frustrated because he wanted certain things that he was initially promised. And so he will take a stand on that. But look, i didnt support obamacare. I dont support obamacare. I think there is a better solution. But its the process. You cant get major legislation passed without public support. You just cant do it. Because ultimately the people will tell the congress what to do and remember, obamacare was wildly unpopular. We won three election cycles on it and then the republicans turned out they didnt have a plan when they got in charge. And now people like obamacare and there is a lot of people who have benefited. Others havent because they are paying too much. And they like the insurance that they had before. But the structure of obamacare is here to stay because we lost the argument politically. Now, we can do things to fix it and make it better, and that has incumbe been the democratic point of view. Are you the republicans are just lost this fight. They dont know how to explain how Free Market Health care could possibly work. And if you dont have public support, this is what you get. Is this master craftsmanship by Bernie Sanders, because he was bringing up the idea of single payor, that they now have Graham Cassidy being pushed forward, so maybe Church Parking<\/a> lot just as the church was letting out for the day, the 10 00 service ending at about 11 30, got out of his suv with the engine still running, shot a woman who was coming out of the kurn church, she was killed. And then he went inside and continued to fire. He was confronted by a church usher and according to the police, if it had not been for that usher, things could have been much worse. The police say the usher had a struggle with the gunman, that the gunman beat the usher with his pistol and during the struggle, the gunman shot himself in the left chest. That ended the shooting. Usher r car, he had a permit to carry a weapon. Enbroug he brought his own gun back in and kept an eye on the gunman white waitihile waiting for pol. Obviously it could have been far worse, but still a shock to people in the neighborhood. These people watch me and my family and they were there during my yeah. Loved them all. Its very sad day for everybody. Reporter police are questioning the gun man and also talking to the victims who are in the hospital trying to get a better picture of how it happened inside. But it does appear the gunmans injuries are nonlifethreaten g nonlifethreatening. So undoubtedly charges will be filed. They have said he was a africanamerican man but have not said anything about a motive. People inside the church according to witnesses war mere mixture of people, so not predominant race or ethnic group inside the church. Nonetheless the police say they know the motive, but they havent been public with it yet. Federal people are helping with the police, but this is basically at this point a Police Investigation<\/a> and the police have promised to release more information about the gunman and why they think this happened in the coming hours. Pete, thank you so much. Very latest gdata for from us pete williams. I want to bring in Jim Cavanaugh<\/a> former atf special agent in charge and msnbc analyst. There we have it from pete, the latest pieces of information, he was 26, we have an understanding of his background. But this is a church, a neighborhood that is quite diverse and parishioners as well. About 60 of them according to the eyewitness also reflect that community. Right. And look at the targeting here. We always look at the target to try to discern motive. We look at the purpose, the planning. So you have a very deliberate act here. The guy coming to the church, when the Services Just<\/a> finishing, he has a mask, hes armed. Didnt sound like an ad hoc robbery or anything. Sounds like a guy who is bent on killing members of this congregation. And its a very diverse area. So would is the motive behind the shooting . Revenge, is he trying to get back at somebody there, did somebody at that church done him wrong . Why is this the target of his murder spree on this sunday morning. So that is what bureau fee ded e detectives will try to find out. Search his car, home, computers and discern what the motive is and then look back in the months before at his planning or threats or preoffense behavior as we call it. And we understand he had the plafr mask. Does that tell you anything about the suspect here wearing a mask, not wanting to be recognized or known . Tells me he just might want to get away. A guy bent on murder and suicide doesnt care if you see him, but a guy with a mask often wants to get away. Its not definitive, but it could be that he wanted to commit mass murder, this is what this guy was about, was mass murder despite he didnt achieve that gone. One person dead unfortunately. But he might have wanted to escape. And but for the usher who confronted him and got his own handgun, but for him, its possible a masked gunman could have skaescaped and then wed b talking about all these people shot, one deaded a a gunman at large. So he was a hero. Jim cavanaugh, thank you so much. If another news briefing happen, well get right back to you. Were also watching on this sunday the other breaking story, its this, all across the country in red states, the nfl plays games. Every other sunday would be the seam except not this one. Were seeing many defy and players across the country here standing up against what President Trump<\/a> has said when those who decided to take a knee during games. And today what we see if we take a look here from seattle, this is what has happened. Does that star spangled banner yet wave and you will notice here seahawks not there. In a statement that they released, they tweeted right before the beginning of the game, they said as a team we have decided that we will not anticipate during the national an them. And they said we will not stand for the injustices. We unite to oppose those that would deny our most basic freedoms. And you saw them not being there, staying in the locker room. This following players across the country remaining defy and in other places against the president s statements. Many athletes taking a knee as the games began before the games began. And some found other ways to express themselves from the patriots joining arms in solidarity as you see here to the steelers choosing to stay in the locker room as the nags tio anthem played out. This began when the president launched an attack against players. Take a knee is now trending this hour. Lets go to Morgan Radford<\/a> in new jersey. And there also a game kicking off and now about to finish in the fourth quarter, right . Reporter they just finished. People are filing out behind me. But interestingly, this has really been a domino effect. So we have seen this kind of backlash grow throughout the day. It started in the first game of the day in london and we saw players on the field taking a knee along with the owners of the jaguars linking arm and arm. And then right here, we saw the acting owner actually got on the field with a similar thing. But jets is an interesting case because alternatively the actual owner of the jets works for President Trump<\/a> as an ambassador. So you can see kind of the tension playing out in this team specifically. But also that is kind of the type of tension and discussion were seeing now happen across the country. For example, fans we spoke to today some of them said, hey, look, i support these nfl people who are protesting because frankly, it is their right and what they are standing for is equality, inclusion and diversity. Other people said no, i dont agree and i stand with the president and they said this isnt the time, place or platform for that type of protest. But take a listen to one fan i spoke on to today. I think the sports players, the nfl, nba and Major League Baseball<\/a> players are completely valley dated u validated and all President Trump<\/a> is doing is validated everything that the players have been doing. What do you mean validate something. There is inequality in this country. Its not a protest against the military, its a protest about inequality. Reporter and richard, as a reporter, isaiah been really fascinating to watch the speed of this movement, but also too watch to watch it grow. Its expanded to the nba and Major League Baseball<\/a>. And of course the mega super stars like steph curry, lebron james saying we have a right to our own free expression. Very interesting conversation you lad there. And understanding from a jets fan there in terms of that distinction that so many who have been critical of the president s statements what this difference is. So thank you so much Morgan Radford<\/a> there in east rutter forward. Appreciate that. I want to bring in our social issues columnist, karen phillips, professor rayshan ray and also sahill kapor. As you were listening to the reporting, that fan delineating what dropping a knee means, standing for equality. This has black lives have been lost is what cappkaepernick wan to stand for, but the president saying this is about standing up for those who fought for the flag. In other flating what this whol process has been about. That is the thing about this whole situation is that everyone has gotten caught up in would is sta who standing and who is 124is nn we should be focusing on why they are protesting in the first place and that is police brutality. And this is getting lost. Are pr place and that is police brutality. And this is getting lost. And that is the most frustrating thing. Were looking at other things instead of the point of why all of this is happening. We need to get back focused on that. And the flag stands for so many Different Things<\/a> to so many different people. And in this particular situation, Colin Kaepernick<\/a> is not saying i am against military service, i am against what the flag stands for, i am against the song. Dropping a knee is saying the down has ended on ray shcial equality and we need to get moving. Without a doubt. Research shows police brutality. And africanamericans represent 42 of individuals killed by the police who are not attacking nor who has a weapon at the time that they are killed. So we have to reorient the narrative. This is about the fact that black lives matter. This is the fact that football players, baseball player, basketball players, they are black and brown men and unfortunately, it didnt matter if you are flew it or less affluent, you might be profiled and it can turn deadly. When we look at this, the issue is also political. This is the president of the united states. He practice these statements using the b word there in alabama. This as he is taking what has been called unconventional support for a candidate there in the race for the republican seat. But hes finding that potentially he may not have backed the right person. He also has health care now being pushed forward. Gram kham cassidy also not look good. Is this a political redirection to regrekt teredirect the narra . Since that alabama rally, the president this weekend has tweeted or he retweeted at least 11 times about the nfl, the nba and the nags ap tional anthem protests. It is important to delineate that this is not a froes against the anthem or the flag, this is about people who think the country is not living up to those ideals. The president certainly knows that most of the country in polls thative of kaepernicks protest. And now i think well have a conversation about this. President trump and Race Relations<\/a> and two of the favorite sports will force the conversation. And you have in the nba and nfl seven out of ten players are africanamerican. So its not a tenable proposition for these teams to simply ignore what the president is saying. Nfl owners donated as you might have watched some 7. 2 million to President Trump<\/a>s inauguration in january. There are six owners that supported the President Trump<\/a>, but they have they have lmg un forgely condemned his attack on play eve players including bob kraft. Are you surprised that they are saying we dont think you have it right here, sir . No, and that has been the funny thing to watch are these releases that have come on twitter and social media the last 24 to 36 hours from these nfl owners. At least seven of them gave money to trump when he was running for office. But its not surprising to me to see them come out and lock arms in protest and release these statements when potential money can be affected. When you when Colin Kaepernick<\/a> was trying to get a job, no one wanted to release a statement and say why they didnt want to sign him or give him a job. But when the effect can come to their pocketbooks, then now were seeing all this unity and unification and isaiah interesting to sits interesting to see all of this happening when the threat of money comes up. So well have tos wheth see catch kaepernick does now get an offer. Thank you all three for being with us. As fans focus on the nfrl and wh nfl and what is happening, there are big plays on capitol hill. The Graham Cassidy<\/a> bill is struggling to garner support. Senator ted cruz is the latest lawmaker to say he cannot support the current bill. So will the latest attempt to replace and repeal fall flat once again . Stick around. Alright emma, i know its not your favorite but its time for your medicine, okay . You ready . One, two, three. [ both ] emma, emma bobemma bananafanafofemma feefifofemma emma very good sweety, how do you feel . Good. Yeah . You did a really good job, okay . [ female announcer ] to nurses everywhere, thank you, from johnson johnson. [ female announcer ] to nurses everywhere, its ok that everybody ignoits fine. N i drive. Because i get a safe driving bonus check every six months im accident free. And i dont share it with mom right, mom . righhht. Safe driving bonus checks. Only from allstate. Switching to allstate is worth it. And lifes beautiful moments. Ns get between you flonase outperforms the 1 nondrowsy allergy pill. It helps block 6 key inflammatory substances that cause symptoms. Pills block one and 6 is greater than 1. Flonase changes everything. Why should over two hundred years of citi history matter to you . Well, because it tells us something powerful about progress that whether times are good or bad, people and their ideas will continue to move the world forward. As long as they have someone to believe in them. Citi financed the transatlantic cable that connected continents. And the panama canal, that made our world a smaller place. We backed the Marshall Plan<\/a> that helped europe regain its strength. And pioneered the atm, for cash, anytime. For over two centuries weve supported dreams like these. And the people and companies behind them. So why should that matter to you . Because, today, we are still helping progress makers turn their ideas into reality. And the next great idea could be yours. At least one more republican senator is a no vote on the latest repeal bill. Ted cruz telling a texas audience just this morning he and one more lawmaker are ready to block the Graham Cassidy<\/a> bill, which could again deny the gop the chance to fulfill a promise years in the making. Last week they took our edits and we said if they took our edits, were a yes. They took it and then removed them. So look, right now, they dont have my vote and i dont think they have mike lees either. With us now rick tyler, also andy slavit, and also atema omara. A greaeat panel. Rick tyler, is this dead . Yeah, its been dead for a long time. I dont know why were revisiting it again. But obviously rand paul is a no. John mccain made it very clear hes upset with the process. And if it ever comes back, it will come back a greer now which is the way they should have started it. So we have obamacare. You can fix obamacare, but we have it, its not going away. Because it is effectively dead. When we look at this, andy, you ran medicare, medicaid, also the Affordable Care<\/a> act for the obama white house. This latest plan of block grants, the idea that certain states who supported obamacare will now get less, and those who did not support obamacare will be getting more, would this even work . This is a really radical plan. As you say, it would cut dramatically the funds that go to states. It would sharply curtail medicaid which is the program that cares for kids, people with dsz a disabilities, lo disabilities, seniors. And so this is a radical plan, i think that is why it is starting to lose ground. But i would just warn everyone we should try to distinguish between negotiating publicly and being actually against a bill. And with respect to everybody here, people are still leaving themselves room as new language comes on out. So i think its important to understand that until we get to september 30th, i think in thing is still with some laugh life n it. So democrats should not celebrate . Yeah, dems should nocrats sh celebrate. We had wanted to put together a bill with fixes. And all of a sudden Lamar Alexander<\/a> says conditions work with democrats so this effort coming back up again. It just proves that we have to stay on it until september 30th and if this bill was to pass, it would basically be the same day old Republican Health<\/a> care legislation that has been the case for nine months that they have been propping that 24 of americans approve. It does not give protections. Still raises premiums. So well keep an eye on to september 30th. Rick, what might be talked about behind the scenes . Again, the differ betweence wha say publicly versus what they are negotiating behind the scenes. What do you mean . Regarding what may happen in thend. Andy was saying lets not necessarily take what is out there and from the details we have of the Graham Cassidy<\/a> bill here, there still could be other negotiations happening. Ted cruz in that piece of sound we were showing he was saying they promised me this, but yoe so it yet. And i think cruz is frustrated because he wanted certain things that he was initially promised. And so he will take a stand on that. But look, i didnt support obamacare. I dont support obamacare. I think there is a better solution. But its the process. You cant get major legislation passed without public support. You just cant do it. Because ultimately the people will tell the congress what to do and remember, obamacare was wildly unpopular. We won three election cycles on it and then the republicans turned out they didnt have a plan when they got in charge. And now people like obamacare and there is a lot of people who have benefited. Others havent because they are paying too much. And they like the insurance that they had before. But the structure of obamacare is here to stay because we lost the argument politically. Now, we can do things to fix it and make it better, and that has incumbe been the democratic point of view. Are you the republicans are just lost this fight. They dont know how to explain how Free Market Health<\/a> care could possibly work. And if you dont have public support, this is what you get. Is this master craftsmanship by Bernie Sanders<\/a>, because he was bringing up the idea of single payor, that they now have Graham Cassidy<\/a> being pushed forward, so maybe Bernie Sanders<\/a> looks like a winner. Well, i think a lot of democrats including Elizabeth Warren<\/a> and Hillary Clinton<\/a> have been in support of making sure that everybody has access to Affordable Health<\/a> care. Bernie sanders is amongst that crew, but certainly not the only one. I think that the big thing here for us is making sure that we get through september 30th, and this bill does not pass because it will hurt a lot of americans, and we actually work toward fixing obamacare and actually what that looks like and make sure that everybody is covered and people get the protections that they need. Andy, one of the criticisms has been that we are looking at single choices because of obamacare in many of the major counties. What is the quick fix there . Well, i think we all want the same thing. He wiwhwe want more competition lower premium. There is a package of bipartisan proposals. They are sitting with Lamar Alexander<\/a>. I think they are eager to embrace some of them. They are common sense. They will bring premiums down. American wants by part ipartisa. Th ship. Okay. Thank you all. Still ahead, how fans are reacting to the player politics. Were watching that very carefully. Plus puerto rico already devastated from hurricane maria, scrambling to evacuate a failing dam. Hes on his way to work in alaska. This is john. Hes on his way to work in new mexico. Willie and john both work for us, a business that employs over 90,000 people in the u. S. Alone. We are the cocacola company, and we make much more than our name suggests. Were an organic tea company. A premium juice company. Weve got drinks for long days. For birthdays. For turning over new leaves. And all of our products rely on the same thing we all do. Clean water. Which is why we have john leading our efforts to replenish every drop of water we use. We believe our business thrives when our communities thrive. Which is just one of the reasons we help make college a reality for thousands of students. Today, Companies Need<\/a> to do more. So john and willie are trying to do just that. Thank you for listening. Were listening too. And lifes beautiful moments. Ns get between you flonase outperforms the 1 nondrowsy allergy pill. It helps block 6 key inflammatory substances that cause symptoms. Pills block one and 6 is greater than 1. Flonase changes everything. Welcome back. Im richard lui following that breaking news story coming out of nashville, tennessee, were learning that Nashville Police<\/a> flamed the gunm named the gunman and the victims. This just in, according to the Nashville Police<\/a> department spokesman, the shooter is 25yearold Emanuel Sampson<\/a> from murfeesboro, tennessee. Police say the gunman shot position after killing one woman and shooting six others. Two of the victims are in critical condition. Police also named the man many said was the hero of the day, that hero of the day . 22yearold robert engel, a church usher who police say tackled the suspect somp sampso. Engel sustaining what police call serious injuries. Well stay on top of that story here on msnbc. Its not just the nfl. The Golden State Warriors<\/a> and nbc stars like lebron james are coming to the defense of stefan curry after the president rescinds a white house invi invitati invitation. Redskins and raiders fans are reacting. So being cool comes naturally. Hmm. I cant decide if this place is swag or bling. Its pretzels. Word. Ladies, you know when you switch, you get my bombdiggity discounts automatically. No duh, right . [ chuckles ] sir, you forgot keep it. Youre gonna need it when i make it precipitate. What, what . What . What, what . But on the inside, i feel chronic, widespread pain. Like most people. Fibromyalgia may be invisible to others, but my pain is real. Fibromyalgia is thought to be caused by overactive nerves. Lyrica is believed to calm these nerves. Im glad my doctor prescribed lyrica. For some, lyrica delivers effective relief for moderate to even severe fibromyalgia pain. And improves function. Lyrica may cause serious allergic reactions, suicidal thoughts or actions. 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But so far every single game we have seen some sort of protest. What are you seeing there . Reporter and no doubt we will he see one tonight. This is the Oakland Raiders<\/a> and the washington redskins. The Oakland Raiders<\/a> of course their stand running back Marshawn Lynch<\/a> who has been sitting down on, kneeling, but sitting during the first two games. Now the fuse being lit by President Trump<\/a> on friday night in a speech in alabama when he called Collin Kaepernick<\/a> an so about that except he didnt use the initials. Redskins no strangers to controversial. That except he di the initials. Redskins no strangers to controversial. Many people the movement to have them change their name from redskins which many consider to be derogatory has picked up steam. But i have to tell you, they have just opened up the parking lot here about 20 minutes ago for tail gagating. Ive spoken to long term red skin fans. One man has been a redskins season holder his family since 1962. He said he does not want to see anymore kneeling. His friend next to him said that she in fact would not be coming to anymore games if there were anymore kneeling going on. They are tired of seeing politics take over the nfrl. They just want to come and see a football game. A lot of people feel that way except these gentlemen right here. Craig and his buddies. They have come from philly, they are oakland fans for some reason. But you have a different take. Tell me how you feel about this controversy and the practice now that has really caught fire of nfl players taking a knee. I think its in support of kaepernick and his beliefs. Across the board, im an equal guy. I think that we should support him because hes a good enough quarterback to be in the nfl right now. Hes better than a lot of quarterbacks and he doesnt have a job. But isaits happening all ov the place. Because they were supporting him. At first no one was supporting him, but now its growing. And its for social injustices. And i think we do need to come together. Because the country is being becoming guided. The kournts counter argument make a lot of money and an employer has a right have a right to dictate hugh thow theyd act to the job sxwlp to. To a certain extent. Is it unprofessional to kneel and where i cant get a job elsewhere . I dont think its fair. So now other players in his defense are doing his defense and now they are starting to do it. Thank you, gentlemen. Richard, we should add that a lot of nfl owners some of whom like robert kraft who have donated to President Trump<\/a> donated to his political campaigns and to his inauguration have come out with statements strongly in favor of their players taking their side in this controversy which has really caught fire across the country today. Even in london where there was a game earlier today. Yeah, 7 million plus youre alluding to there as we have seen the owners six of them supporting President Trump<\/a> in his campaign and now his administration. Thank you, sir. Again the game kicking off on nbc tonight. The raiders only all africanamerican unit, they plan from what we understand do something to kneel there. Next, my panel weighs in on a historic day in professional sports as many nfl players as we have been talking about will be taking a knee before todays games. Maybe tomorrow night as well. During our made to move 2017 clearance event, you can do endless online research. Or, you can take advantage of our best offer ever on an xt5. Dont wait. Our 2017 models will be moving fast. You can drive a car. Or you can drive a cadillac. Come in now before the end of our made to move 2017 clearance event and leave with the perfect cadillac xt5 for your next adventure. Choose a low mileage lease on this xt5 for around 339 per month. You dont let anything lkeep you sidelined. 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And he was asked about what nfl players who have been doing so far, the requests that he made that they be fire and he was basically saying and confirming and reaffirming his beliefs. He says there is tremendous solidarity for the flag. Very disrespectful when he was asked about those kneeling. He was also asked about bob kraft, a team other than. And bob kraft coming out against the president despite supporting him during the election. And the president saying he has to do whatever he wants. And that he thinks its very disrespectful to the country. Again, that again going back to the president s request that they be fired, that they do something when they do Something Like<\/a> that, that the owners need to be doing something. Is the president realizing that he has stepped into a culture r ral depth that he had no idea how deep it went . I dont think the president is coming to that realization. I think the president wants to tie this issue to the American Flag<\/a> and assert that these players are not patriotic when in fact that is not working and people are seeing this as a racial equality issue which is what it is. So that issue where the president is failing essentially at spinning it into this issue about whether or not there is something about our heritage and whether or not people love america. And these players are essentially continuing a long tradition of flavplayers aths like mohammad ally and jackie robinson, the 1968 olympics and other people who saidly said im not going to be intimidated and i will sacrifice my status. So i think that these players are saying that and i think it will have ripple effects. I think the nation as a whole are looking at these players and saying if they are risk losing their jobs, i might the be able to do that too. And rick, the way that professional sports works today, millennials and those that are younger, that i had guy with players, one ontoone is the way they look at fantasy football, all these games. Guy w players, one ontoone is the way they look at fantasy football, all these games. They will take it personally, too. Look, i think the tide mass turned on this issue. When kaepernick originally went down on his knee, there was a lot of misunderstanding about what he was doing. And the fans booed that. But it has einvolved for people to understand that this is about an issue and about a protest. And what has happened now is the players and owners have decided they dont want to be on Donald Trumps<\/a> side. And he really crossed the line when he called players who are protesting in this way sobs, you know, he not only got all the other players involved, he also brought in mlb, and the nba, so i think trump is looking for a cheap win on this by seemingly rallying around the flag, but misunderstood the issue. Instead of looking for solutions to on bring americans together, he decided to use it as a point of departure and division. And hes now going to pay the price for that. And reflecting on what rick said, he used the b on word, sob without of course the initials thereof. And when the president did to that, he tapped into an africanamerican culture in the way that they view their mothers and a feeling that gois back to the unfortunate history of slavery. And maybe he did or did not understand that. I think he absolutely knew exactly what he was trying to do. I think he is taking a page out of his former advisers Steve Bannons<\/a> play book. What kaepernick did was protected speech. He wasnt doing it while playing the game. It was right before. He was using his position and privilege to be able to advocate for something that we all agree is a problem and should be addressed and he had the preechl freedom do it because what we fought for on for a long time. But when you have the situation that trump is literally doing this and using it i think as a distracts, we have people in the u. S. Virgin islands, Puerto Ricans<\/a> who are without any sort of support and without any electricity after these storms, we have a Failing Health<\/a> care bill, potentially a loss for an enforced candidate in a primary, noerk and t north korea and their missile tests, i think he is trying to distract from an agenda that we should be focused on. And using a term that s. O. B. Is not only offensive to africanamericans, but anybody who has any respect for women across all races. It was inappropriate and beneath the office in which he serves. And coal lkaepernicks mothe saying im proud of my son, she tweet 24ed that out herself. Has the president succeeded in conflating the issue that kaepernick was saying this is about equality, this is not about being against veterans or what the flag stands for . Has the president succeeded in that . It may be early to comment on that. I think it is early to comment on that, but i think the president succeeded in the fact that he ran a presidency that was about in some ways cultural identity, about getting people riled up about the idea of america. And i go back to the idea that after charlottesville, he gave the speech that said people are trying to take away our heritage. And hes really saying that the people on my side are the real americans. They are the people who love this country and everyone else is against me, they are not really good americans essentially. And i think what you are seeing is the vast majority of americans including some who voted for him are saying this is one of those issues that is way bigger than just an American Flag<\/a>. So i think that he is floundering and really wants to try to go back to this. But this idea that he never backed away from what he said in charlottesville, i i interviewed tim scott and he said, i talked to the preds for 40 minutes, he never backed down and said he never regretted what he said about charlottesville. Thank you so much for sticking around all hour on this sunday. Thank you. Next, travel ban expiration day. The white house could announce new he restrictions thats expected to be tailored to muslim majority countries. Well discuss the challenges it could bring for travellers. We offer our price match guarantee too. And if thats not enough. We should move. Our home team will help you every step of the way. Still not enough . Its smaller than id like. 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Today, Companies Need<\/a> to do more. So john and willie are trying to do just that. Thank you for listening. Were listening too. And welcome back. President trumps divisive travel ban expires today but hes already preparing a replacement for it. The white house is expected to unveil a new set of restrictions based on how governments screen nationals and share terrorist information with the united states. And their officials and officials so far have declined to reveal whether this would include the six muslim majority nations from the expiring second executive order. Theres no official date for when these new restrictions will go into effect but its expected to be very soon. Joining us now is immigration attorney fiona macentity. As you look at this, what does this mean so far to your clients that youve represented . Thanks for having me, richard. Weve really seen its basically been a blanket muslim ban and thats what the administration has said, trump said that on his campaign trail and we saw that that was implemented by the First Executive<\/a> order and then by the second executive order. Its about to hit the Supreme Court<\/a>. Do you think any of the changes that have been reported, the two adjust each and every one adjust the policy to address specific nations, do you think that will effect the case thats going to go before the Supreme Court<\/a> . I mean, im not sure. We dont know what the restrictions are going to be but even looking at the Supreme Court<\/a>s decision in june, they said that anyone who had a close Family Connection<\/a> to the states should be permitted to enter and we saw the administration break that down and initially they said that fiances were not considered close family members and they went on to say grandparents were not considered close family. By anyones definition, we think that obviously grandparents and fiances would be close so who knows were not sure what way theyll interpret things going forward. What are you telling clients to do right now based on the reporting that there could be future changes here . I mean, all we can do is really advise on the status quo at the moment. Weve heard reports that they are going to be implementing further restrictions. We feel Immigration Attorneys<\/a> across the country feel like its probably the third attempt to really level this promise to ban all muslims from entering. What youre seeing there san immigration lawyer on the ground in chicago giving us an update. Thank you so much. Thank you, richard. We have more on the breaking news out of tennessee where a gunman opened fire near a church near nashville. Stick around. Dont let dust and allergens get between you and lifes beautiful moments. Flonase outperforms the 1 nondrowsy allergy pill. 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So in just the last 30 minutes we have Police Coming<\/a> out naming the alleged shooter in all of this, also some of those that were injured. Joining us now nbc news justice correspondent pete williams. The details that youve been able to learn about the gunman and those hurt or killed. Well, thomas, they say this all began this afternoon just as church was letting out and they say this gunman who they identified as 25yearold emanuel from nearby frooezboro drove his blue suv into the parking lot with the engine still running, he jumped out with a gun, shot a woman who was coming out of the church as the services were ending and then went inside and continued to fire. 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