Some version there of. I regret the effort to repeal and immediately replace the failures of obama care will be unsuccessful. That should not mean we should give up. The definition of insanity is to do again what has failed sefrlt times before. You have to be able to resolve all these issues. Its not good news for the country, we have to move to the next steps. Now that one party effort has largely failed. We hope they will change their tune. Inaction is not an option. Congress needs to step up. Congress needs to do their job and Congress Needs to do their job now. Take a look at this, when the drudge report calls this congress the most unproductive in 164 years, republicans know they are in trouble. As for President Trump. Hes oozing our word of the day too, except its about his new plan of action. I think were probably in that position well just let obama care fail. Were not going to own it, im going to tell you im not going to own it, the republicans are not going to own it. Well let it fail, and then democrats will come to us and say, how do we fix it . How do we fix it . Sarah Huckabee Sanders will have to explain why the white house was kept in the dark. Why the gop controlled government cant get anything major done, and why the president thinks letting obama care fail is a good idea. If you were hoping to see it on camera, dont hold your breath. The briefing is audio only again. In case youre wondering, the last on camera White House Briefing was june 29th. There is a lot to debrief today with our team of reporters. Kristen welker is at the white house. I want to start with you two. Repeal and replace has failed. Repeal alone seems to have failed as well. What is Mitch Mcconnells next step . Well hear from Mitch Mcconnell himself in the next hour, we may get more direction on that. Most likely i think we will see the failure of repeal and then replace played out on the senate floor at some point. It seems likely the majority leader would want to have some kind of vote to have those three no votes that we know exist so far, and who knows how many more are out there be recorded officially. If he wants to turn the page and move on. Theres going to have to be a hard vote on this. What comes after that is the more interesting question. Do republicans go back into their silos and continue to work on health care themselves. Or do they do what Lisa Murkowski said to me to work on replace and then repeal and come up with something all together. This was from our conversation a few minutes ago. The motion on this repeal and replace . Im not there. Not there . No. You would vote against the motion to proceed . I said in january, we should not repeal without a replacement and just an indefinite hold on this just creates more chaos and confusion. Thanks, senator. Important to remember, its not as if these moderate republican senators are all of a sudden in love with obama care and think its a great law. But they dont want to act, and they dont even want to give this twoyear runway that was discussed over the last 12 hours or so, an opportunity to take it, unless theres Something Better they can put in place. The president answered a couple more questions from reporters earlier today. Lets take a listen to more of his comments on health care. We are 52 people, we had four nos. We may have had another one in there, essentially the vote would have been pretty close to if you look at it, 484. Thats a pretty impressive vote by any standard, and yet you have a vote of 484 or Something Like that, and you need more. Thats pretty tough. The way i look at it is, in 18, were going to have to get some more people elected. The republicans control the house, the senate, donald trump is in the white house, hes blaming democrats for not being able to pass that bill, though. Right, its striking. When you hear the president speak, it seems like the political calculus is to force democrats to the table ultimately, to say that obama care is failing or to try to replace obama care and try to ramp up the political pressure and say that democrats will bear some responsibility if in fact they cant replace it, that is a tough argument to make because as you point out, katy, republicans are the ones in charge right now. Republicans have campaigned on a plan to repeal and replace over the past seven years. This is a major set back for this president , for this administration were going to get to ask sarah Huckabee Sanders about all of this. I think the big question becomes moving forward. What can the president get done. How much of his domestic agenda can he achieve, given that the administration stumbled on this key point. And you bring up tax reform. Look, they were counting on repealing some of the taxes from obama care to get a big tax reform package passed. Are they shifting that strategy as well . What about infrastructure. Those are the things in peril now, given the fact that republicans werent able to move on this, katie . Lets bring in jake sherman. Also joining us from las vegas, editor of the nevada independent. Hes an msnbc contributor, jake, im going to toss it to you, 32 Million People would have lost coverage with a straight repeal, 22 million would lose coverage under that initial senate bill, the latest one has not been scored. What is the republican calculus here, why were they forcing this when so many people would lose coverage and was so unpopular in the polling . You cant discount the fact that they got a majority in 2010 in the house, kept it until now, got a majority in the senate and the presidency on this one single political issue basically. There are other things thrown into the mix. Its important to point out yes, there are three people, three senators who have come out against this, theres more like a dozen, a bakers dozen, perhaps, people who are against it, behind the scenes, and dont want to proceed with this. It would be a difficult vote, they would say its a difficult vote for many of them. As you look forward to things like tax reform, and infrastructure, you cant get out of that maze, those are difficult things, theres a budget in the Budget Committee today in the house. And that is a precursor to tax reform. Thats going to have a tough time getting through the house and getting through the senate, its a long road to get a lot of these things done for Donald Trumps agenda. Is this the last rewind were going to see . Or are we going to have republicans come back to the table with something gurg this next twoweek recess, or the delayed recess. And secondly, is the delayed recess still happening . You know, thats people start smelling jet fumes and want to get home, you hear a growing number of senators saying, listen, we have to bide our time, take it slow to hear things on health care, theres a huge chasm within the Senate Conference right now, about how to proceed. I think i mentioned this on air, Somebody Just reminded me of this today. If Mitch Mcconnell cant get this done, it probably cant get done in the senate. I want to stop you right there, i want to go to john too in a moment, Mitch Mcconnell is just taking the podium. Im sorry, that was b roll, i jumped the gun. Mif Mitch Mcconnell, hes the deal mak maker, he knows how to get things done. Is he effective without someone like harry reid . He is. I think here he has himself in the knot. Is he effective . This is the most ineffective congress in 164 years. That is the headline on the drudge report now. I think if you look back to last congress, he cut a lot of deals. But he cut those deals in the minority, sometimes with the democratic president in the white house, theres an argument to be made at this point that these are new political grounds for mcconnell. Im curious what john thinks about this, we havent heard from dean heller from nevada, i cannot im going to throw this to john. I cannot understand how he could vote anything but no after all he said, after the position hes put himself in. Jake teed you up, take it away. I think hes right, i dont see how heller could vote anything but no. Dean heller, like a lot of these republicans, it was easy to vote, to just repeal obama care at the end of 2015, knowing that it was going nowhere. Much more difficult now, especially after hes come out against the cuts in medicaid, stood with Brian Sandoval, the first republican to expand it, but, you know, heller apparently from what ive been reading is remaining in his undisclosed location. Sneaking out side doors, trying to avoid people like jake sherman, so he doesnt have to take a position. What does that mean, you have republicans hiding from reporters because they dont want to take a position on a bill, that so many of them ran on. Repealing on obama care, replacing it, they control congress, john. Why are they hiding from reporters on this issue that they champion . Its embarrassing for them, or at least should be embarrassing for them. We know to be a politician maybe sometimes you are beyond shame, but katie, the bottom line for heller, he has put himself in a terrible position. As i said, he has always talked about repealing obama care, he made that vote in 2015, then its as if he suddenly had an epiphany a couple months ago, and realized that he was in trouble, the bill was at 28 favorability in nevada, he tethered himself to Brian Sandoval who has twice the Approval Rating of dean heller, stood at a press conference and said, im not going to kick more than 200,000 of nevadans he even accused supporters of the bill about lying about premiums, once you put yourself in that kind of box, after you have actually voted to repeal obama care, theres nowhere for you to go but out the side door and in one of the senate buildings. How hard is it out there today . How hot is it in vegas today . How hot . Its over 100 degrees, which is why you who i consider an honorary nevadan are afraid to be out here doing your program from here. You got that right, unless its by a pool with a cocktail in my hand. Thank you, guys. There are plenty of opinions on health care flying around washington. How do people feel beyond the beltway. Before the senate bill was declared dead. Hallie jackson spoke to some of the president s supporters in michigan. What areas of concern are there for you in that . Well, i think certainly the health care debate, theres a lot of concern, and maybe a little more work than was anticipated to get that done. But we are all crossing our fingers and hoping hes steadfast in Getting Health Care reform done. If i could Say Something to the president , i would say stay strong. Regular americans like myself are behind you, and we will help you. Stay strong and stay the course. Are you worried he might not when it comes to Something Like health care . Absolutely not. Jim himz a democrat from connecticut. I hear we only have three short minutes with you, im hoping to run through these pretty quickly. The idea of something bipartisan happening now, that the Senate Health care bill has failed, what do you think . I think its important, katy. Mitch mcconnell and the president and the leadership of the republicans around here is trying to figure out what to tell their base. They have promised for seven years they will repeal obama care, never a good idea. The Affordable Care act did a bunch of things for a lot of people. Reality smacked them in the face. The only right answer for anybody, whether you support the president or not. Is to fix those things that are having trouble in the Affordable Care act. I hope we can get there. Theyre still flailing around, threatening each other. The right thing to do is for us to come together and pass some fixes. Do dems have their own plan . The group i chair, working with some republicans, and across our caucus, proposed five or six things that we know we need to do around the individual markets and that we think we could do on a bipartisan basis. I want to get your take on russia really fast, is the intel committee, have you guys been given the all clear from Robert Mueller to interview don junior and Paul Manafort. I ask, because senator feinstein says the Senate Judiciary committee did get that all clear . Its a constantly moving thing, with the breaking news last week of don junior saying yes, i did have this meeting, the agenda is out of the hands of the investigator. We are working closely with bob mueller to make sure we dont step on each others investigations, make sure we dont hurt each other. Its our intention on the house side to interview Paul Manafort and don junior. The scheduling may be subject to negotiating with mueller and the senate. What do you hope to get out of them about that meeting . We need to understand what came out of that meeting. I love it, were going to use this stuff late in the summer when it would have more electoral impact. Was that it . Its hard to believe it was. You cant believe the white house, theyve denied everything all along the path of the development of this story. We need to know whether there was an agreement, whether in was information passed. What they did with it. Were crimes committed . I know you heard from some campaign adviser. Im going to keep this quick. Michael caputo said this was naivety, they didnt know what they were doing. Do you believe him . When youre running for president of the United States, ignorance is not a particularly good excuse, it doesnt work when you hold up a store, when you rob an atm. Ignorance of the law is no excuse. Connecticut congressman jim himz, thank you so much for joining us. I hope we got you out on time. Do we have proof that Robert Mueller is investigating the don junior meeting. And we now know another person in that room. Stay with us. Type 2 diabetes with fitness, food and the pill that starts with f. Farxiga, along with diet and exercise, helps lower blood sugar in adults with type 2 diabetes. Lowering a1c by up to 1. 2 points. Do not take if allergic to farxiga. If you experience symptoms of a serious allergic reaction, such as rash, swelling, difficulty breathing or swallowing, stop taking and seek medical help right away. Do not take farxiga if you have severe kidney problems, are on dialysis, or have bladder cancer. Tell your doctor right away if you have blood or red color in your urine or pain while you urinate. Farxiga can cause serious side effects including dehydration, genital yeast infections in women and men, serious urinary tract infections, one of the senators who wanted a straight repeal of obama care is talking in right now. Lets listen in to rand paul. There have been many ideas for how we get more people in our country insurance. For example, 27 Million People dont have insurance right now under obama care. The estimates are, 50 of those 27 million dont get it because its too expensive. Its too expensive because of the obama care regulations. The death spiral of obama care is, regulations make it expensive. Then you say, you can get it after youre sick. Thats the problem we have. The adverse selection and the death spiral. Thats what we need to fix. We dont have enough votes to repeal all that, we have to move forward, and im in favor of moving forward with partial repeal and trying to work with the rest of the bad elements of obama care that have driven prices out. No, im for a vote that succeeds. And i think those republicans that promise to repeal obama care ought to vote the same way they voted in 2015. If you arent willing to vote the same way, you need to go back home and explain to republicans why youre no longer for repealing obama care. Rand paul who was for a straight repeal of obama care, thats what hes always been for, part of the reason why he said no to the initial Senate Health care plan, it wasnt enough of a repeal for him. Hes now calling on all of his republican colleagues who did vote for repeal back when obama was president. I believe it was 48 of them, to come out and vote the same way they did back then. It essentially would be hypocritical if they did not, unless they were able to explain that. Joining me now, matt welsh and megan murphy. Lets talk about this for a moment. You just heard rand paul, what do you think of him coming out and saying, you guys you guys all voted to repeal this thing before, why change your mind now. We already know its not going to happen. We saw some say theyre not going to move for a straight repeal. The Political Climate is incredibly different. They have a president now whos going to sign that into law. And we have an obama care system thats grown exceedingly popular as we have gone along. We are getting people who have Affordable Health care, who realize how much medicare reaches into every stage of life. Theyve gone to their constituents, listened to their constituents. Its the constituents who have driven the resistance to this bill. Repealing obama care or leaving it in place, which is harder for the republicans come the midterms . Right now, i mean, whats hard is what they have in their own hands. Theyre trying to disown the thing they now own. You saw with President Trumps tweets, i dont own it. He ran on the guy who had special expertise to pass this thing, he of all people knew how to do it. If youre going to run on that theory, you cant suddenly abdicate responsibility. They have a mess on their hand. More republicans and democrats are coming out to talk about this. Breaking news first reported by the Washington Post and confirmed by nbc news, there was another person in that don junior meeting in 2016, his name is ike cavalanze. Hes an associate of the russian ologards who were offering the di