Meeting. And also this is nuts and bolts, budgeting, staffing, vote goals. Regardless, one report from politico got a response from trump. He just put out a tweet saying its untrue. If it is true thats okay too. All ill have to do is stop funding the Republican Party. I did the one raising the money for them. Right now im in orlando going to a fundraiser for the Republican Party. If they want to do that, they can save me a lot of time. Lets start with nbcs katy tur here in 30 rock. Katy has been following the bouncing ball of the Trump Campaign for over a year now. Lets talk about the meeting that the rnc folks and Trump Campaign are supposed to have today. They want to say this is routine. They have anything but routine topics to discuss. I guess the break continues to show that these two factions are like water and oil. I dont think you can say that they are getting along well at this point. I think right now there is a lot of i know theres a lot of frustration in both camps with the rnc from the trump camp and with the rnc towards the trump camp. There is a meeting happening today. Is it a meeting where theyll have a come to jesus moment as politico reported . Were getting strong pushback on that idea. Even if it is a routine meeting, there are heavy things to discuss. But donald trump is not at that meeting. If youre going to stage an intervention with the campaign, by all means go ahead. But the campaign only has so much influence over their candidate and thats been well dona documented. Members of the campaign say they can tell him to do something but he wont necessarily do it. Case in point, we wont get donald trump remarks ahead of time. You cant predict him. Even when he does have notes or a teleprompter speech, he goes off script. So the rnc is trying very obviously to get on the same page with the campaign, to tell the campaign that they need to find a way to control their candidate. Theyre doing this with the children as well. But ultimately donald trump has got to listen to not only his advisers, but the party and donors and his confidants that he needs to change and he needs to pivot. That conversation has been happening now, thomas, for this entire campaign. So the sarcasm kind of flippant way he wants everybody to look at the isis comments, its really not the first time hes tried to downplay the weight of words. So is that going to work this time, because of all the criticism about this comment, the attention of it . I dont see how it can possibly work. He said i guess ten times yesterday, repeated over and over again that obama was the founder of isis. You just played that hugh hewitt interview where hugh asked him is this a vacuum . He said no, hes the founder of isis. Again, in the miami interview he said it repeatedly. For him to come back now and have a tweet saying its sarcasm doesnt necessarily fly or does not fly with people who dont believe him any longer. The thing is, his supporters dont care. His supporters do not care if he contradicts himself. What you saw they rally yesterday outside of orlando with the supporters going up to the press pan and yelling obscenities at the reporters and demanding they tell the truth, thats something weve been experiencing on this campaign trail for some time. Donald trump is not the one thats saying things wrong or lying potentially, its the media that is coloring his words. The media is taking it out of context. But that is his supporters. And his supporters those are his supporters. His supporters do not make up at least at the moment enough of the general electorate to put him in the white house so he needs to expand this tent. When you ask his supporters, what should he do . They say get away from the controversies and move to the subjects you excel in, the economy, National Security and job creation. Katy tur. Great to see you in person. Great writing, great storytelling and i want to be in consideration for that book title i gave you. Which one was that . The terrific view of trump, tur. I want to bring in Peter Navarro, another person with a terrific view of trump. Its a pleasure. Msnbc counted at least seven occurrence when donald trump had an opportunity to clarify those remarks, he didnt. He wants people to believe this is a joke. Here we are again asking which donald trump are voters supposed to believe. So, peter, which one is it . Let me say two things about that. It would be great if you and i could talk about economy and trade because thats what im the economy expert in. But let me say this about isis. Hillary clinton as secretary of state spent over 5 billion of taxpayer money to get rid of colonel gadhafi in libya. What do we have now . We have isis controlling libya. President obama issued a red line in syria about the use of chemical weapons. They used chemical weapons, obama did nothing. What do we have now . Lead from behind obama getting isis going in syria. So when donald trump talks about clinton and obama being the head of isis peter, you made the point you want to talk about. Lets do it. Donald trump gave a major economics policy speech this week. How is that not all supposed to be interpreted as sarcasm . He was asked a question. How do we know that is policy that he wants to institute as commander in chief if were supposed to believe one day one thing he says is sarcasm and the next day its actual truth or somewhere in between. So since youre here to speak about the economy. Sure. How do we know any of those policy positions just arent sarcasm. Lets talk about the jobs and the economy because this was an important week for the campaign, for the clinton campaign. Weve drawn the lines now. What are they . Well, clearly Hillary Clinton wants to raise taxes on small business, on the middle class and then disguise it with this robin hood rhetoric about taxing the rich. Donald trump wants to cut taxes for everybody. How do we know its not sarcasm . Oh, come on. Really . No, no, seriously. How do we know . Because the media misinterprets everything. Youre asking me impossible questions. A guy, a billionaire with an economics plan comes and lays out a vision thats worthy of its 21st century reboot of Ronald Reagans vision thats going to bring jobs to the American People which they desperately need and youre telling me were talking about sarcasm here . Yeah, because this is a president ial candidate that wants us to believe certain statements he makes are supposed to be interpreted as sarcasm. When Hillary Clinton said i want to talk about the plan. Hillary clinton wants to increase regulation, donald trump wants to reduce it. Hillary clinton, tell me if this was sarcasm, my friend. Columbus, ohio, she gets on and gives a speech and says shes going to kill the coal industry. Was that sarcasm . Donald trump doesnt want to kill the coal industry, thats not sarcasm. He wants to get our Energy Resources going. This is a great country. Heres some sarcasm for you. Hillary clintons trade policy is to continue exporting jobs and importing Campaign Contributions from foreign governments so that we negotiate bad trade deals and donald trump wants to renegotiate every bad trade deal that Hillary Clinton ever signed. So we can do sarcasm, but at the end of the day its a very clear divide between tax and spend hillary and donald trump, who actually has a vision for this economy. Peter. Peter, one thing that could give us good insight into the billionaires own personal health is his taxes. We know hes under audit. The irs says there is no reason that he is restricted from releasing that. Richard nixon actually released his taxes under audit. How do we know theres not foreign money in those taxes . Because specifically donald trump said its disqualifying for other folks, president ial nominees, not to release their taxes, so whats he hiding . Lets let Hillary Clinton do a press release and then drive the news cycle away from her failed economic plans. This is whats going on. No, donald trump said before its disqualifying for a president ial nominee not to release his taxes. So i guess that was sarcasm. Lets make a deal here. Lets have hillary and bill clinton release every campaign contribution, contribution to the Clinton Foundation, contribution to the Clinton Global Initiative and speaking fees and tie those back as the fbi and state department are now doing to all of the bad trade deals and bad Foreign Policy decisions she made and pay for play. Thats the real story. There are more tax releases coming from Hillary Clinton and tim kaine today. When it comes to knowing Donald Trumps foundation, the foundation for why trump is running and why people like him is because hes no one is going to hear us. Peter, i ask the questions, you rns a, well have a nice back and forth, but Donald Trumps foundation and why people like him is because he is a success. He has had wonderful Business Success. He talks about that. And thats why he would be good when it comes to a meta economic program, something great for america, internationally and when it comes to trade. So when it comes to the tax returns, isnt it, as he said, disqualifying not to put it out there so folks can know exactly how he has constructed his success . Can we lets dial it back and i want to tell you a personal story, if i may. I ran for office in the 90s and it was a lot like donald trump. I was a selffunded campaign, it was a race for mayor in san diego, pretty big office to run for. And i got the same kind of pressure from my opponent releasing tax returns. The only reason why they wanted to have me release my tax returns was to find out how much money i could spend on that campaign. And i was naive and stupid enough to do that and they sure enough used that in their strategy against me. So my advice from personal experience to donald trump is dont release those tax returns because. But hes not running for mayor. Hes not running for president of the united states. Its the same principle, my friend. He uses law and order, Richard Nixon inspired. Were dialing this back here. Nixon was under audit and released his taxes. Let me say two things. First of all, the only reason why tim and hillary are playing the tax card this week is to divert attention from their failed economic policies and all these investigations by the fbi into their corruption. Second, it is a fair question, my friend, that you should be asking. Lets get all of the information from the Clinton Foundation, the Clinton Global Initiative, their past campaigns and tie it to chinese money and all sorts of money so why doesnt donald trump put his taxes out and challenge them to be transparent. That might be a good deal, who knows. I would still advise donald trump not to release those tax returns because all its going to do is give the other side a strategic advantage and donald trump, art of the deal, never does that. Thats why we need donald trump in there. I mean we have Hillary Clinton negotiating a succession of bad trade deals, whether its nafta, the south korean trade deal or anything in between. Every time she does that, she exports jobs and imports despair and poverty into this country. But isnt that also part of trumps Business Success . He has a tie line thats made in another country, stemware made in another country. He isnt employing people in this country to make all the different trump Branded Products and also brings in people to work, labor or work temp jobs that are coming in from other countries. Theyre not a majority of American People being employed by things hes bankrolled himself on. Can i respond to that . Sure. I was in cleveland during the convention and theres a wonderful part in his speech where he talked about if youre going to unrig the game like its rigged now for the big Multi National companies against american workers, you need to have been in the game. And the problem is, theres Business People all over this country who are stuck having to play these games because bad trade deals pushed them offshore. What donald trump is trying to do is cut our Corporate Tax rates, bring them home. Cut the currency manipulation so somebody can compete in michigan or illinois against the chinese. And donald trump and other Business People but youre making it sound as if there arent americanbased Companies Making americanmade products and theyre highly successful. Why would you discount the work of what americans are already doing in this country by American Made products, employing americans and keeping things here at home . Why are you discounting that . These speeches were both in detroit. Gm and ford, two michiganbased companies in the auto state, in the motor city, have spent over 5 billion in Capital Investment sending that to mexico rather than michigan over the last two years alone. Why have they done that . Its because of nafta, the World Trade Organization and bad tax policy and trade policy that have pushed that investment there rather than in america. Wouldnt you rather have that investment in michigan than in mexico . Peter, im going to have to invite you back so we can continue this conversation. Good conversation. I appreciate it. We could have an hour show because my e. P. Is about to kill me. Peter navarro, appreciate it. Kristen welker joins us now covering the clinton campaign. Im sure you listened to the back and forth there, but is the clipton campaign releasing these taxes, as peter was saying there, as a distraction, to try to change the news cycle . I think they certainly have politics in mind. Secretary clinton expected to release her 2015 tax returns. We have seen the past ten years of her tax returns. Tim kaine expected to release ten years of his tax returns. And their strategy is to turn up the pressure on donald trump to release his tax returns. Whats in those returns, as you were just talking about. And this is aimed at kind of fitting into their broader argument against donald trump, secretary clinton on the trail yesterday painting him effectively as a fraud when it comes to being a businessman. Trying to undercut his key argument for why he says he should be president of the united states. Now, today they are also releasing a new web ad which includes republicans calling on donald trump to release his taxes. Take a look. You know if youre running, at a minimum probably youre going to have to show your returns. But if you didnt see the tax returns, you would think there is almost like something wrong. Whats wrong . As you guys were discussing, donald trump says he cant release his returns because hes being audited, but of course we know warren buffett, who is also a billionaire businessman, a clinton surrogate, says ill release my returns if you release your returns. So far hes not biting on that saufr. Secretary clinton yesterday in michigan laid out her economic plans and it fit into this broader strategy in which hes making the argument, particularly to working class Blue Collar Workers that shes going to be stronger on the economy. Donald trump, of course, earlier this week said, no, hes the one stronger on the economy. Theres this real fight for those voters because they are the voters who could make all of the difference in the rust belt in these critical swing states that secretary clinton or donald trump would need to win in order to win the white house. But again, this terms of this being a distraction, i think it is fair to say their goal is to turn up the pressure on donald trump, to highlight the fact that he has not yet released his tax returns, something that almost every other president ial candidate has done in modern history, thomas. Well wait on that release from clintonkaine. A note from the irs, nothing prevents individuals from sharing their own Tax Information when under audit. Kristen welker, great to see you, thanks for putting up with me and waiting on me. After launching his president ial bid this week, Evan Mcmullin at just landed on his first ballot. He joins us exclusively and he has news to break about other ballots where he will be included. 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