Golden state to keep sanders at bay. Lets start with a big morning. Steve kornacki at the big board. Take us through the latest numbers here. Good morning, jose. Yes, quinnipiac new national poll. Weve seen a lot with spreads like this in the last couple of weeks. Hillary clinton 45, donald trump 41. A fourpoint race. Think back about a month, about six weeks ago. We were seeing a doubledigit spread between these two. You heard democrats saying, hey, trump, this is the dream opponent, cant lose this race. You had some republicans at least saying, wow, were doomed with donald trump, but he locked up the republican nomination. A lot of rips rallied around him and so thats what you see, a much closer race between the two of them. Democrats hope when the primary wraps up maybe there will be some rallying around Hillary Clinton then and maybe those numbers will boost up for her as well. Check this out, though. One of the things weve been looking at is the unusual opening that may exist for a third option, for another candidate. In this poll they tested two other candidates. Gary johnson is now the nominee for the libertarian, jill stein, the candidate for the green party on the left. Add them in you get a tighter race, two points. Youve got johnson running at 5, stein running at 3. Two things to remember here. Number one, youve got to get to 15 in these polls. If youre a thirdParty Candidate and you get to 15 , you get in the debates this fall. Number two is are they going to be included in these polls going forward. Will johnson, will stein, will both, will either of them be included in the polls going forward. When we say theres an opening for a third candidate this year, this is why. Hillary clinton a Favorable Unfavorable score, 37 57. Thats a net negative 20 score. That would be the worst ever. If you just looked at Hillary Clinton, you would say thats the worst ever weve seen from a major Party Candidate for president. Exempt look at this, shes running against a candidate whose numbers are worse. Trump, 34 59. Thats a net negative store of 25, jose. Steve, lets just focus on the unfavorables only. Theyre tied almost. These numbers are really just outrageously large. Its amazing. If you can think back 24 years, 1992, bill clinton got through the democratic primaries that year. There had been scandals about extramarital activities, the vietnam draft, all this stuff. Bill clinton was considered the most toxic person ever nominated by a major party. His unfavorable score 24 years ago was in the low 40s. He overcame that and won. But the low 40s used to be considered extremely high and now both of them are flirting with 60 unfavorable. And back to the clinton and trump matchup that you started on, 4541. As you say, this may change once hillary, if hillary becomes the nominee, as trump is now the presumptive nominee. But is there a large margin of error here . It seems like 4541 is really good for Hillary Clinton considering shes not even the nominee yet. Yeah, thats the question. So with the margin of error, this could be a little closer, could be a little further. Weve seen a number of them in the last two weeks that basically show this spread. Basically show a race that was probably low double digits about a month ago has now shrunk to a 3 to 5point lead for Hillary Clinton. If you average most of them together. But heres the thing, yes, theres a chance when Bernie Sanders finishes up for Hillary Clinton maybe to win over some of his voters and move up. Donald trump, one of the reasons this thing is closer, hes won over republicans now that hes locked down the republican nomination. There are still some republican holdouts. So from the trump side they would say if hillary is still going to take a jump, theres still grroom for us to go but t question is do those Voters Holding out go somewhere else. How does that look when its Bernie Sanders against donald trump . Bernie sanders against donald trump, we dont have the graphic for it. But Bernie Sanders continues to lead donald trump. By a bigger margin than Hillary Clinton leads. Double digits in most cases. The counter that you hear from the Clinton Campaign is of course he looks like the most electable democrat because donald trump is only saying nice things about him. No republican is out there attacking him. Theyre all saying nice things about Bernie Sanders to make Hillary Clinton look that much worse, so thats how they would counter that. Yes, Bernie Sanders consistently head to head against donald trump doing better than Hillary Clinton. Steve kornacki, always a pleasure to see you, sir. Thanks for being with me this morning. No problem. I want to go to Hallie Jackson who was at the trump News Conference at trump tower in new york city. Thats where we finding her this morning. Good to see you this morning. It was a pretty intense backandforth for over 40 minutes yesterday. Reporter yeah, and the real substance of it, we talk about the insults against the media, we talk about insults against members of his own party here at trump tower yesterday but when you talk about the meat of the issues, theres two things were focused on today. Number one are these documents that were unsealed boyy a feder judge over the last 24 hours. Trump hitting that judge during that really contentious News Conference. The documents talk about this lawsuit against Trump University revealing some of the ways salespeople were instructed to sell these forprofit courses to people. Suggesting that potential customers rely heavily on credit card debt, on retirement funds. Theres quotes from some former folks involved in this saying, for example, i believe that Trump University was a fraudulent scheme and that it preyed upon the elderly and uneducated to separate them from their money. Thats from a former Trump University sales manager. All of this coming out over the last 24 hours with those records being unsealed. Separately donald trump, the reason he ostensibly called this News Conference was to talk about these donations to veterans groups, some 6 million that he says he raised. He listed 5. 6 million in donations, including a million of his own money that he said was given to 40 or so different veterans groups. Trump revealing, giving a full a accounting of those groups. Nbc news has learned that about a third of that money, 1. 9 million, ended up going to groups just over the last week when trump began to face building questions over just where that money was and what took so long. Trump says it took a while because his team was vetting these organizations. At least one group that was given 75,000 has an f rating from charity watch, jose. So trump on defense a little bit. Also playing offense, as you saw him going after one of his favorites targets, the media, as well as republicans like new mexico governor susana martinez, former gop nominee mitt romney and conservative writer bill kristol who has been recruiting david french to run as an independent candidate. Talk to me about that, because this is just in the past 24, 48 hours that we have someone, a specific person in mind, right, boy kristol and others. Reporter yeah. Weve been talking for weeks about who could be a mystery candidate to take on donald trump in an independent bid. Youve got the libertarian candidates, weld and johnson on that ticket, but as far as an independent run, david french is a conservative writer for the national review. Hes got a military background but he doesnt have name recognition, he doesnt have a lot of money. He has support im told by sources of some of the never trump groups. Not all of them because theres an acknowledgement that there is such a long shot, particularly given that french is not that well known to the american people. Hallie jackson outside trump tower, thank you very much. Its great seeing you this morning. For more on those newly unsealed documents from the Trump University suit filed by some students lets turn to ari melber. Ari, good to see you this morning. Good morning to you, jose. There have been basically two buckets of documents. One we discussed a little bit on air yesterday, a playbook of how to sell Trump University. And two are legal documents from inside this days and they are, of course, disputed, by which there are people who used to work at Trump University who say this whole thing was a scam and other people who took the classes and say it was all g thats what theyre fighting about. Let me show you Jason Nicholas who worked directly for Trump University. He says in these newly unsealed document, trump u. Told consumers trump would be acti actively involved. That was not true. He was not in trump u. As far as i could tell. I only saw him come in one time from five to ten minutes. That goes to how the place is marketed. And some people say if you go to a trump hotel, that doesnt mean hes the maitre d. This from ronald shackelboard. He said he left because, quote, i believe trump u. Was engaging in misleading, fraud lent and dishonest conduct. He talks about a couple who was considering their 35,000 elite program and they would have had to pay for the Program Using his Disability Income and taking out a loan. Trump u. Reprimandinged me for not trying harder to sell the program to this couple, ending quote. As i say, a lawsuit has two sides. Heres what some of the Trump University side is. Youve got to look beyond one or two or ten disgruntled people. They said about 10,000 written evaluations have come in from students across the country. 95 of students rated 4. 85 or higher out of 5. So again theres a thing, jose, in law about fraud called puffing. Thats the idea that some puffing is okay. If you go to a used car lot and the guy says this is the greatest car youre going to get around here for the best price, some puffing is allowed. Whats at issue in these lawsuit and why these new allegations are concerning for trump is these are not just puffing allegations. This is an allegation of fraud, of misleading, of shaking people down. Two sides to the story but thats one side thats getting a lot of attention right now. Ari melber, thank you very much. There are differences. Thanks. Kristen welker is in newark, new jersey, where Hillary Clinton will be later today. Kristen, great seeing you. Lets start with what we know about this new strategy by the campaign to take on donald trump. Reporter jose, good morning. Secretary clinton is going to ramp up her attacks against donald trump specifically when she delivered a major Foreign Policy speech tomorrow in california. Thats, of course, the biggest delegaterich state left to vote in the primary, so shes going to use that as her backdrop. We are told shes going to draw sharp distinctions with donald trump on everything from nato to the fight against isis and that muslim ban that he has proposed. This is going to fit into her broader strategy as she tries to paint trump as unfit for office and someone whos dangerous for national security. This all comes as secretary clinton is facing her own criticism particularly after yesterday. Donald trump held that fiery News Conference. She hasnt held a News Conference in 197 days. She got asked about that yesterday and she went on the defense. Take a listen. I have done nearly 300 interviews just in 2016. I believe that its important to continue to speak to the press, as im doing right now, and to understand that his attacking everybody, fellow republicans, democrats, the press, you just name it, he attacks everybody, is a recipe for gridlock in washington. Reporter donald trump wasted no time taking to twitter to slam her for not holding more press conferences. Its a preview of what we can expect to see as this likely fall fight unfolds. But of course secretary clinton still fighting her primary battle and it will unfold in california. That is where shes heading tomorrow. Shes added extra events there. Shes going to have a fiveday campaign swing. Recent polls showing the race is tightening there and senator sanders hasnt left. Hes essentially put almost all of his resources into trying to win in california and outspending her on the air waves 21. Bottom line, the reality is that secretary clinton can lose california and still win the nomination, but winning california would likely take senator sanders last remaining argument off the table for staying in this race, so she really wants to win that state. Kristen, back to the National Polls that we were speaking with steve about. Clinton leads trump by four in this latest poll, but sanders leads him by more than nine. Whats the campaign doing to try to get sanders out campaigning with clinton to secure his supporters if she does indeed become the nominee . Reporter that is going to be the big challenge for the Clinton Campaign, because about a third of sanders supporters right now are saying that they wouldnt back secretary clinton. We know that these two campaigns have been in contact with each other, but look, bottom line is senator sanders not ready to drop out or to even talk about that. Over the weekend he said to our own chuck todd its up to secretary clinton to try to unify the party. Now, will that tone change once this race is finally over and once all of the votes have been cast . Thats the big question mark. We know no matter what happens, he is going to play a role in helping to shape the partys platform and that could help him get on board toward trying to work toward party unity. The Clinton Campaign point to 2008 when secretary Clinton Campaigned with barack obama is what they are hoping to see happen in this election cycle. Jose. Kristen welker in new jersey, thank you very much. Good to see you. Hillary clinton and donald trump wont be the only likely names on the ballot this november. The Libertarian Party has already nominated their president ial ticket. On the top, former new mexico governor gary johnson. Joining me now is former republican governor of massachusetts, bill weld, now the libertarian candidate for Vice President. Good to see you this morning. Good to be with you. As a onetime republican, how concerned are you or are you that the ticket could be seen as the Tipping Point towards democrats in the election . Were right down the middle. You know, we dont really agree with the democrats about spending more money than you take in. Gary johnson and i served together as governors, mutual admiration society, and we were rated the two most fiscally conservative governor in the United States so no argument there. On the social side, we have to be considered, you know, welcoming, tolerant, inclusive. We dongt believe in the government making decisions making decisions in their personal lives and i think the Republican Party has a distinct hue of that and we reject that. Of course mr. Trump calls us fringe candidates but its hard to see how a centrist ticket with four terms as the governor of states, blue states with red governors, hard to see how thats a fringe. Governor, im having a little problem with a siren going off right now, but let me see if we can work on this. Its live television, i apologize for that. I want to focus if we can do that while this conversation is carried out. Youve compared Donald Trumps plan to deport 11 million or so undocumented immigrants to the holocaust. Why do you think that comparison is appropriate . I think its completely appropriate. Rounding up and deporting 11 million people. They would be hiding in attics to not get found and get sent back to mexico. It would remind me of ann frank hiding in the attic. Its just not the tone i think it right for the United States. Building a huge wall is evocative of the most famous wall, the berlin wall, which was a badge of shame and stain on the soviet union and helped to bring the end of the cold war. I think mr. Trump is on the wrong side of history in these issues. Governor, im still having a problem with this audio. Were going to take a short break. Governor, if you could, stay with me. Well be right back. Thank you very much. Analad, every ingredient is the main ingredient. Whether its big. Or small. First to go. Or best for last. Sweet. Or not so sweet. Whether its tossed. Or twirled. If its easy prey. Or plays hard to get. Every last crunch, sprinkle and drip. Should be as clean as it is delicious. Panera. Food as it should be. When your symptoms start. Distracting you . Doctors recommend taking. Nondrowsy claritin every day of your allergy season. Claritin provides powerful, nondrowsy 24 hour relief. 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