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>> well, i would say a couple things. first of all, you're absolutely right that this isn't exactly new. ever since mitt romney lost the 2012 election and actually before that, there was a lot of conflict within the republican party. it wasn't a coalition that held together particularly well. the different strains, those who thought romney wasn't conservative enough for example. but it's really escalated since the shutdown. it's become more overt. and i think what we saw play out during the shutdown which was really caused by disagreements within the house republican caucus much more than any disagreement between the two parties, so instead of being a sort of internal housekeeping matter for the party to sort of get together and decide on its own, it became a matter of national consequence, it became our national psycho drama, it became the issue that was shutting down the government. and's why it's become overt. >> senator cruz has not been apologetic for his part. this is what he said on abc's "this week". >> i'm not serving in office because i desperately needed 99 new friends in the u.s. senate. given the choice between being reviled in washington, d.c. and appreciated in texas or reviled in texas and appreciated in washington, i would take the former 100 out of 100 times. >> if we are to believe him, senator cruz doesn't care about his poll numbers. how then does the so-called establishment deal with him going forward? >> i think that is the big, big question for the day. because it's not just senator cruz that the establishment needs to deal with. it is the sttea party. i mean the day that we saw last week orrin hatch who was as i have said earlier today the conservative's conservative and john mccain coming out and basically saying that we've got a serious problem here, the country cannot be governored by the heritage foundation and the club for growth and the tea party, we know that there is a serious problem in the republican party and quite honestly the question is there room for moderate republicans in today's republican party or are we going to have to see them migrate and become self identified independents. or for example conservative democrats. because the ted cruzs of the world and the tea party faction, they're not going anywhere. >> michael you wrote something that was very interesting. you wrote the republican establishment could find itself generals get caught fighting the last war. i think things are just changing a little bit. ted cruz' approval rates, i think he does pay attention to his approval numbers. 74-8 among tea party members and even among other republicans, considerably more favorable than unfavorable. and the tea party people vote in primaries and they're active and they go out and knock on doors. and they're the wing of the party that practically everybody and the republican media are playing to right now. >> i want you to sit tight for me just a second here. michael, you mentioned ted cruz. i want to bring in the person who was ted cruz's predecessor, senator kay bailey hutchison joining me live. senator, always good to see you. i want to get your take on senator cruz. here he is again from abc this morning. take a listen. >> on a human level, that has to bother you to be sitting in an institution like the senate and and i think by diverting us into obama care, though i totally disagree with obama care and i think it needs a lot of fixing, but the lempg we had was on the deficit and debt and i think that got lost. i think that ended up in a worst situation with the debt and definite 1icit and i think that m mitch mcconnell got was spending level stayed the same. but until you really cut the spending and have entitlement reform going in the outyears, you're not going to have our fiscal house in order. and that's what i hope we will unite around. >> former texas senator kay bailey hutchison, senator, always good to see you. thank you so much for your time. >> thank you, craig, for having me. >> i want to bring the brain trust back for just a second. molly, i want to pick up on something that the senator just said there. she talked about the spending reductions and moving forward and that being the ultimate mission of the tea party movement. of course one of the primary missions of the gop in general. but the fact of the matter is, and you alluded to this in an article you wrote last week, had the fwchlt ochgop not played it they played it, they would have been better off in a lot of ways. >> absolutely. the deth deal they got was worsn the deal that they were offered and refused to shut down the government. they could have claimed a win out of this. as senator hutchison sort of alluded to, the spending levels that were in that original continuing resolution that the house refused to pass at the last minute and the government shutdown as a result, the spending levels in that bill were the spending levels created by sequestration. democrats didn't want those spending levels, but that was their idea of the compromise. republicans could have claimed that as a win. moved on and still had the debt ceiling fight which they line. they will join me live. ♪ [ male announcer ] staying warm and dry has never been our priority. our priority is, was and always will be serving you, the american people. so we improved priority mail flat rate to give you a more reliable way to ship. now with tracking up to eleven scans, specified delivery dates, and free insurance up to $50 all for the same low rate. 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