He doesnt know what year it is. The choice in 220. For all new homes, offices and buildings by 230. Has difficulty keeping his train of thought. Broadwalk. And if you think i am announcing my hes on an Obstacle Course that makes it look like hes not up for the job. Why are the Trump Supporters attacking donald trump . Its updated. Every time the attacks come you find more clips of donald trump just wandering around. I mean, you know, the Jonathan Swan interview by the way, i was off yesterday and missed the Jonathan Swan interview the part where he was with the charts and the graphs . Putting the papers in his face and the charts and the graphs. First of all, lets talk about Jonathan Swan for a second. You know when Chris Wallace comes at you, he has none chunks in one hand and clubs with spikes in another. And Jonathan Swan is more subtle, would you like a brownie, and you dont know what youve eat enuntil you wake up the next morning in the bottom of the elevator shaft. Hes sweet and polite. You look at the president s face and he looked completely lost. He didnt know where he was. It was as disoriented as ive ever seen the man on the camera. Its amazing if hes presented with facts. When he handed him the graphs, youre look at this the wrong way, theres no second beat there, he doesnt know where to go when confronted with the facts. If i had a nickel for every night i ended up at the bottom of the elevator shaft hanging out with Jonathan Swan id be a wealthy man, both of us. Do you think that just came off the top of my head . Its happened to both of us before. I want to follow the Comedy Central mash. Heres Jonathan Swan again with the president. The figure i look at is death. And death is going up now. Okay. No. Thats 1,000 a day. If you look at death. Its going up again. Daily death. Look at these charts. Id love to. Lets take a look. Lets look. If you look at death per starting to go up again. Right here the United States is lowest in numerous categories. Were lower than the world. Lower than the world . Lower than europe in what . Take a look. Right here. Heres case death. Oh, youre doing death as a proportion of cases. Im talking about it as a proportion of population. Thats where the u. S. Is really bad you cant do that. Look at south korea, 51 million population, 300 deaths. Its crazy. You dont know that. I do. You think theyre faking their statistics . South korea, an advanced country . I wont get into that. You dont know that. Germany. Heres one right here. United states you take the number of cases. Look, were last. Meaning were first. I dont know what were first in. What . Look again, its cases. We have cases because of the testing. 1,000 americans are dying a day. I understand on cases its different. Youre not reporting it correctly, jonathan. I think i am. If you look at this other chart. Look, this is our testing, i believe, this is the testing 60,000 americans are in hospital, 1,000 dying a day. They talk about new cases, new cases im talking about death. Its going up. Its way down from where it was. It was 1,000 a day. It went down to 500, now its going up again. Excuse me, where it was was higher than where it is. Its spiked again. Its going down in florida, arizona, texas its going down in florida . And im really serious about this. If if he werent president of the United States, we wouldnt play that clip on the air, because he looks so disoriented that people would say we were being cruel taking advantage of somebody on the air. But he clearly was disoriented, didnt know what he was talking about. Scrambled facts. Just it was i mean, we have john meacham. Let me bring you in here. He is president of the United States and id like to ask you what president ial precedence we have for a performance that disorienting and that bad . But im afraid maybe we need to go into the realm of like tv shows. Did that remind you more of mr. Hanny from green acres or fesstus from gun smoke . Wheres arnold the pig . The nick at night references. I think even willie is too young to understand what you said. I study the history of tv the way you study the history of presidencies, john. That explains so much, actually. Im good. Theres a clarity now about your career choices. I like it. No, and its sort of, again, we can be somewhat light hearted about it, but its, at heart, at best discomforting and at worst terrifying. What i had and both of you know this. You know, when do you what we do for a living, you get a lot of mail. Particularly the old days youd get manila folders from people who found the key to everything. And it went from the book of genesis through the council on Foreign Relations and would end up with George Herbert walker bush in dallas during the kennedy assassination. This odd conspiracy theories, but rendered as if it were factual, right. So that just watching it right now, i was thinking this is like getting, you know, a power point deck from area was it area 54 . 51. 51, i think, yeah. 51. See, there you go. Car 52, sorry. But i think, to me, and i hope that the power of satire with what trevor noah is doing although as Christopher Buckley says its hard to satirize somebody who satirizes themselves all the time. I hope that gets to the consciousness because the attack on Vice President biden about his coherence and all that is going to get worse, a lot worse, because its all they got. Its interesting to keep an eye on the social media stuff about what trump has to argue. And none of the arguments, this is fascinating for this point in a president ial campaign. None of the arguments on substance have any salience. Can you think of one . Theres perspective. The perspective arguments like, hes going to, you know, drive us into a socialist future. Nobody believes that. Joe, you and i talked about, theres a much better chance that joe biden will end up somewhat centering the Democratic Party than anybody is going to come along and center the Republican Party. And so and i think thats an existential threat to a Republican Party that has sold its soul, the check bounced, and theyve got to figure out what are they going to do to attempt to be something approaching Majority Party in this demographically changing country. And my bet just quickly. My bet is, sometime in the middle of november of this year because its going to take a while to count the ballots. Lets not talk about Election Night. Lets talk about election week. Lets not set up the expectation that were going to know everything and David Brinkley is going to tell us everything at the right time because that plays into trumps hand, chaos helps him. I think if theres a blue waveish, theres going to be a point before the end of the year where a lot of republicans are going to say, donald who . No, i dont know what youre talking about. I dont know who that is. If they do, its because of that kind of clip. That is exactly whats going to happen. I can tell you a lot of the same people blindly defending donald trump right now was viciously attacking me when i was criticizing george w. Bushs spending in the second time and and asking me why i was a socialist, when i became a left wing radical. When he abandoned all conservative concepts as far as i was concerned, which is why i was attacking him. And after he got out of office, they started saying the same thing. And now the attacks, oh my god, you would think george w. Bush was a socialist. The same thing will happen with donald trump. Its the game theyve been playing. I remember in 2012, me getting viciously attacked by people for criticizing mitt romneys campaign. Mitt is a friend of mine, the family was a friend of mine, but he was running what i thought was an uninspired campaign, and the same people defending donald trump now were viciously attacking me and defending mitt romney, if you can believe it. Its bizarre behavior, its happened in the past, its going to happen this year, too. If donald trump loses, itll be donald who in december, and everyone will be writing their books how i won the war, saved the world from the chaos of this man. You look at the clips of Jonathan Swan and you see this is a campaign that is completely blocked in. I mean, theyre talking about you dont want hey, you dont want four debates if youre running Donald Trumps campaign. He may say he wants four debates. You dont want four debates. Look at the Jonathan Swan interview. He was completely lost. He had a blank, dead look in his eye. He was completely out of his element. He has been allowed to live like autocrats in his own world for the last four years where he makes up an alternate reality. Sets out an alternative set of facts and he doesnt have anybody around him thats challenging him. Thats not somebody that you want out on the stage one debate night, let alone four debate nights. So this suggestion they do is foolish. Every time he goes out there, hes going to look just as bad as he did with Jonathan Swan. Joe biden wasnt great in some of the early debates. But he did a lot of debates. Hes been out there more than donald trump has. And john, you bring up a great point about their arguments. What are they going to do . Are they really going to argue that joe biden is out of it . Every time they do, theres a clip where donald trump looks as bad or worse. Are they going to talk about china because every time they do, theres a clip or tweet about donald trump cozying up to president xi, congratulating him for being a strong man, for being a great leader on the china virus or the wuhan virus as the president called it after he forget he thanked president xi on behalf of americans for doing such an increedabdible jo the coronavirus. He has nowhere to go. Lets bring in Jonathan Lemire here. White house aides have to be dazed by the president s horrid performance in front of Jonathan Swan. A confused, bumbling, rambling performance. Where again his eyes, its like he wasnt there. Do they really want a fourth debate . So, joe, this is now the second high profile interview in recent weeks the president has really struggled with. One with Chris Wallace on fox a few weeks ago the other. The aides said this doesnt have the traction, it was on hbo, one aide dismissed it as liberal porn to me we can all watch the clips. What was liberal porn . He got the facts wrong. Im a conservative, a lifelong conservative. I was a conservative before donald trump lied about being a conservative. Im a conservative after he will leave being conservative. Im more conservative than all of these people that have followed this autocrat in training. What are they saying is liberal porn . That he got all the facts wrong. Have they really put themselves in a corner now where if you go along with facts, if you go along with statistics, that makes you a liberal . Thats their argument. It has not proven to gain any traction in recent days. One thing that interview also did was dismiss a talking point about the coronavirus. The mortality rates, they were hanging their hats on that, it was lower. But that has changed. But you raise the question whether theyre boxed into a corner, the answer is yes. This is a campaign, under three months until election day and were now under one month until early voting begins in a number of battleground states including North Carolina to which the president doesnt have a path to win without capturing the tar heel state. Theyre running out of time to turn this campaign around. We know the convention has been upended. The president will give a speech but its not the four Day Celebration he hoped. Hes unable to hold any rallier. Hes trying to use smaller events to take that space, im traveling with him to ohio. He has to go to ohio, a state a few months ago they thought they had in the bag. Now they have to put resources there. The campaign yesterday called for a fourth debate, one thats earli earlier. Right now the first debate is scheduled for the end of september, they want one at the beginning of september, coinciding with the beginning of early voting. To this point the Biden Campaign said no to that we have agreed to the three well stick to that. But the white house and the president are running out of moves. They plan to highlight when joe biden stumbles or gets a fact wrong but it also opening you up the litany of clips that the president has done so and the risk on the debate stage that he, not joe biden, may be the one suffering the verbal implosi implosion. The United States averaged more than 1,000 daily deaths from coronavirus for a tenth consecutive day yesterday, in addition to more than 51,000 new cases. This comes as an analyst from the Associated Press finds testing in the United States declined by 3. 6 in the last two weeks. Officials attribute the drop to americans becoming discouraged to having to way hours to get a test and weeks to get the results back, rendering it meaningless. And states where the, quote, percentage of positive tests is high and continuing to climb, an indicator the virus is still spreading uncontrolled. The testing is seen as the key to reopening schools and businesses. Meanwhile, President Trump continues to claim the virus will just disappear. The countrys in very good shape and were set to rock and roll. This thing is going away. It will go away like things go away. Itll go away like things go away, absolutely. No question in my mind it will go away. Hopefully sooner wrathrather th later. Lets bring in professor and msnbc political contributor, jason johnson. And National Political correspondent molly ball with us, she wrote the cover story, ways the covid19 pandemic is changing the 2020 election. Hes still now six months into this, the president is still wishing it away. Saying its going to go away the way things go away. We saw his ineptitude when confronted with the facts that voters and americans are seeing in their lives around them, that it is not really happening and, in fact, its not going to just go away. First off, the only difference between the interview the president did with Jonathan Swan and the crazy press conference from kanye west a few weeks ago is he didnt burst into tears. He has no handle what he wants to talk about and what he wants to do. Some states, theres a little bit less testing and some states a bit of a spike. We know one thing, as kids go back to school, as College Students go back to campus, we are seeing spikes. Were seeing spikes in Elementary Schools in indiana, spikes in high schools in georgia. If anyone was able to fool themselves in summer and believe the president s fake statistics, maybe its going down, i dont know anyone. Thats not the case as we have dozens of children sent home from schools in the next couple weeks with the coronavirus. The president has no plan for how to handle this. As people head to the polls in the next few months theyll be voting with that anger and fear. The man in the interview with Jonathan Swan, the reason its so serious is hes the guy with the keys to the car, hes the guy to have the National Testing theory. Molly, lets talk about your cover story for time magazine. Ways this pandemic is going to impact the 2020 election and already is impacting the 2020 election. How did you come come at this . There were different ways to look at it, including the way we vote with mailin voting which the president said was fraudulent and will lead to a rigged election. There are so many ways that this election has been transformed by the pandemic. So we wanted to zoom out the lens and look at all of that, look at the ways it has completely changed the context of this election. Theres the logistics piece of it, you were talking earlier about the conventions, thats one part of this election, that will be unlike any other in our memories because of the coronavirus and campaigns have had to get creative and figure out how to adapt to a world where it is difficult and potentially risky to campaign in person. So were seeing them take different approaches and do that in different ways. The voting, as you mentioned, we have not seen the scale of change in the way americans vote in any recent election and it is a massive transformation. Of course, things were moving in this direction anyway with mail in voting and early voting becoming prevalent in a lot of states. But this is an overnight change for a lot of people that poses a lot of stress to an election system that was already fragile, subject to things like foreign interference and other risks. Now this additional strain is being put on it and its changing so quickly that a lot of states still cant say for sure exactly what the procedures will be for people to safely submit their ballots. And then the big picture is the way it has changed the way people feel about this election. The way the context for voters has changed. In terms of how they look at the candidates, evaluate the state of the country. You just played that clip of trump saying that the country is in a great place. Americans dont believe that these days. The shear of people who think were on the right track has plummeted in a short period of time. The things that people value, theyre looking for from their leaders, that has changed as we grapple with the pandemic and people look around and says i want a leader that listens to experts, whos compassionate. So all of the attempts that trump and his campaign has made to change the topic, refocus on the i