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Former chief Public Affairs officer for moveon, karine jeanpierre, now a Senior Adviser to the Biden Campaign. And historian and author of the soul of america, jon meacham joins us. Hes an nbc news and msnbc contributor. We will play for you more of joe bidens message that was played at George Floyds funeral, and the other moving speakers, including reverend al. Well also get down to yesterdays breakdown in georgias voting process. This is a big story. The secretary of state is opening an investigation after reports of long waits, Voting Machines not working and a lack of ballots in some areas. Plus, stop us if youve heard this before, President Trumps latest push of a Conspiracy Theory on twitter draws mostly silence from republicans on capitol hill. And his own aides horrified by the fact that he keeps digging himself in a deeper hole in this crisis. And one other major headline this morning, several states are seeing a rise in hospitalization rates due to coronavirus. And dr. Anthony fauci is issuing a new warning. Well have that for you as well. Reverend al, lets talk about the floyd funeral. But first, a couple of moments there where you really, i think, broke through all the noise weve been hearing. You said, this was not just a tragedy, it was a crime. And talk about what america needed to do to make sure that that crime was addressed. And then, one of the really moving parts. You said, you called for mama, were going to lay your body next to hers. The range of emotions yesterday at your address was they were stunning powerful. Powerful, extraordinary. Tell us what it was like to be inside that room. It was very, very emotional, even for me, even though ive done these for many years. To be sitting there with the family that was not dealing with this as a public issue, not dealing with this as a deadline, but this was their father, their brother, their cousin. And here, what they would say to each other over the last few days and how they are struggling to deal with the public light and glad that they were put into without any request of their own, and balance that with a real, Firm Commitment that they wanted to see justice. All of that was very, very much present. So, when i spoke, i wanted people to, as we go through all of these announcements, this corporation giving millions of dollars, this person doing that, which is all good and necessary, i wanted people to understand from the family point of view and my own. This was a crime. Lets not get beyond the fact that someone decided to break the law by pressing their knee 8 minutes and 46 seconds on a human beings neck that caused his death that ought to be accountable. And we should do the studies. We ought to deal with racism, but lets also make sure that the make you make it plainly clear that black lives are just as respected by the law as anyone else, is you have to pay for the crime and you have to deal with it as a crime. And then we took him to the cemetery, where his mothers buried. And i did the final last words over him as we committed his body. He called for his mother in his last eight minutes of life, and we laid him to rest next to where his mother was buried. He will be buried. There is another really moving moment where you connected George Floyds death to the death and the tragedy and the pain and the hardship that so many other families in the black community have endured through the years. And what a moving moment it was. Alex, lets roll that tape. The mother of trayvon martin, will you stand . [ applause ] the mother of eric garner, will you stand . The sister of botham jean, will you stand . The family of pamela turner, right here in houston, will you stand . The father of Michael Brown from ferguson, missouri, will you stand . The father of Ahmaud Arbery, will you stand . Rev, that was an incredible, moving moment, and the entire church raised to its feet and applauded for those men and women and those families of the victims of Police Violence over the last several years. They have sort of this brotherhood and sisterhood among them, tragically, of people who understand what George Floyds family feels right now and what George Floyds family is going through right now, not, as you said, just the loss of a loved one, but having to grieve in public and to be thrust into the spotlight as almost activists in all of this. How do they operate together . Are they as much of a community as it seems . Yes, it really is. When i went down the first week, which is now almost three weeks ago, to deal with the family and go to the site of where george was killed, i brought the mother of eric garner with me. And because of the generosity of tyler perry, he provided a private plane for her and for the family throughout this period so they wouldnt have to deal with traveling with the coronavirus still with us. And one of the reasons i wanted to do that is because they understand what i or you couldnt understand. They know the pain and the emptiness and the trying to rush into how do i handle public life and not make mistakes. And i watched her in a room with them. And then when trayvons mother came in, when Michael Browns mother came and others came, they almost have an unspoken language between each other, though they started as strangers, because theres a pain that they understand, that someone like me can be sensitive to and try to help and deal with whatever they need, but they knowknow each other. And theres also a sense of comfort that the ones that were the object of the condolences and the comrade feeling yesterday, in this case the george family, they feel theyre not alone because they see others that this has happened to that took time to come. So, i think it was very comforting for them to share and be there and all of them together. The shame is, theres so many of them. And as i introduced them, in most of those cases i fought, led marches and rallies for. Its a shame that we have so many in this period in American History and we havent solved the problem in the criminal Justice System to bring a lot of those cases to justice. Here is more now of joe bidens prerecorded remarks played at the funeral, calling for Racial Justice and offering words of comfort to floyds 6yearold daughter, gianna. Little gianna, as i said to you when i saw you yesterday, youre so brave. Daddys looking down and hes so proud of you. I know you miss that bear hug that only he can give, the pure joy riding on his shoulders so you can touch the sky and countless hours you spent playing any game you wanted because your smile, your laugh, your love is the only thing that mattered at the moment. I know you have a lot of questions, honey. No child should have to ask questions that too many black children have had to ask for generations. Why . Why is daddy gone . Looking through your eyes, we should also be asking ourselves why the answer is so often too cruel and painful. Now is the time for Racial Justice. Thats the answer we must give to our children when they ask, why . Because when there is justice for george floyd, we will truly be on our way to Racial Justice in america. And then, as you said, gianna, your daddy will have changed the world. You know, jon meacham, that is what americans are used to in their president s. From fdrs fireside chats, where he talked a frightened america through the Great Depression, to Ronald Reagans pitchperfect response to the challenger disaster, to george w. Bush standing on top of the pile of rubble after 9 11, saying we hear you, and soon the world will hear you. Joe bidens response is the response that we americans, republican and democrat and independent alike, are used to during these times. But its contrasted in the white house, the same time joe bidens delivering those moving, eloquent remarks, by a president who is tweeting and attacking a 75yearold man who was brutalized by police and is in the hospital fighting for his health. The contrast is so great. But it seems so long, even though its only been 3 1 2 years, since weve had a president who actually spoke like joe biden did there. Yeah, the thing here has to be both restoration and reform. I think where Vice President biden is. Hes about restoring that vernacular of grace and dignity and the aim of equality that, youre right, we have been blessed with for a long time. But it also has to come with reform, which is what the Vice President said as well. Look, it was 8 minutes and 46 seconds. Its also been 400 years. And we cant lose sight of that in the midst of this. I thought reverend sharpton did a masterful job yesterday of weaving the particular and the universal together, which is one of the Great Missions of a preacher and one of the great points of liturgy, right, is to remind ourselves that were part of a vast drama, but were also individual human souls. And so, what i thinks really important here is we take, as the other thing i was thinking about yesterday watching the funeral was dr. Kings eulogy at 16th Street Baptist Church, where three of the four girls had been murdered in september of 63. And his refrain was, god has a way of wringing good out of evil. God has a way of wringing good out of evil. That is an excellent and comforting point, but the comfort is pretty cold when youre in the midst of that evil. And thats what biden was pointing at. Karine jeanpierre, joe biden is obviously stepping into the void of empathy in the presidency and filling that, but lets put aside your position with the Biden Campaign for just a moment and talk about this moment. And how does it move beyond being just an incredibly powerful moment in our history . Yeah, thats right. Thats right, mika. Look, yesterdays funeral, the homegoing for george floyd, was powerful, it was beautiful, but it was also incredibly hurtful. It was also incredibly sad. You think about, george floyd should be here with us today, you know . Meacham just mentioned that 8 minutes and 46 seconds. In 8 minutes and 46 seconds, we heard him plead for his life, we heard him say i cannot breathe, and it was just no, no regard for this mans life because of the color of his skin. And theres just too many of those stories. And the reason we know about georges story is because it was recorded. How about all of the others . Right. That have not been recorded. Right, right, right. So, one of the things i want to say is something that reverend al sharpton said yesterday, which i really appreciated. Thank you, reverend al sharpton, for really putting it all together for us and really for speaking out for so many of us and lifting up our Community Like you do every day. But the thing that i really tuned into yesterday was how you said, this is not over, how you said that you will continue this fight. When the cases, when the court when it goes to the courts and it moves forward for george floyd, that youre still going to be there. And thats the thing, because this is the time. We see an outpouring right now that we havent seen, at least in my lifetime. And this is the moment. This is the moment that we have to ask for reform. This is the moment that we have to continue to stay together. And its been multicultural, its been multiracial, its been a moment that has uplifted me and its an incredibly sad time. And so, we just have to continue that fight and we have to continue to speak up, because we cannot have we cant afford any more George Floyds. And willie, the move has been so quick in Public Opinion toward the support for reforms, for looking at Race Relations as it pertains to policing especially. Headline in the New York Times this morning, that the gop was caught flatfooted on racial reforms, and theyre struggling with public anger. They dont know what to do. They started out following the president on law and order. But if you look at the polls, the president s approach has been a disaster. 74 of americans support the protests following George Floyds killing. Only 25 oppose. And you can look at one poll after another. The peaceful protests, 84 say theyre justified. Only 12 say theyre not justified. And weve really got to say, these polls have changed even more dramatically, not just as it pertains to civil rights, but also as it pertains to politics. Since that june 1st day, which i think a lot of people are going to remember for years to come as perhaps the low point of this presidency, or certainly a turning point in the campaign. Yeah, june 1st, the day that the plaza in Lafayette Park was cleared with smoke bombs and tear gas and pepper spray so that the president could walk across to st. Johns Episcopal Church and hold the bible upside down for that photo op there. But youre absolutely right about the Public Opinion. It has been stunning. We just showed that Washington Post poll. 75 of americans side with the protesters in the streets. 80some percent believe that the protests are justified. And you have 70 , almost, of americans who say, yes, this is a systemic problem, yes, africanamerican people in this country have a different experience with police than white people do. Thats a sea change even since the time of ferguson, which was only six years ago, when less than a majority of americans would say that they thought ferguson and the death of Michael Brown was an isolated incident. So, Something Big has happened in a very short period of time. And the question will be, how does the country take this moment, take this energy to have real reform . I mean, youve got republicans like karl rove making speeches about, to republicans, saying, yes, black people in this country have a different experience with cops. Tom cotton to his Senate Republican colleagues of course, he was maligned for the op ed he had in the New York Times last week tom cotton saying to his republican colleagues, yes, it is a fact that africanamericans, particularly young africanamerican men, have a different experience with police than we do, and we need to address that as a country. So, reverend sharpton touched on it in his speech yesterday, his beautiful eulogy for mr. Floyd. What do you do with this moment . What is the real and practical change . How do you turn the energy into the streets into real change in the country . All right, the Washington Post is reporting that as the number of covid19 cases continues to rise worldwide, at least nine states across the u. S. Are also seeing a rise in hospitalizations since memorial day. According to the post, texas, north and South Carolina, california, oregon, arkansas, mississippi, utah, and arizona are expecting an increase in the number of patients under supervised care since the Holiday Weekend because of coronavirus infections. The post reports that the spikes generally began in the past couple of weeks, but in most states are trending higher. According to the data tracked by the paper, states that are now reporting some of their highest sevenday averages of new cases are disproving the notion that the country is seeing such a spike in cases solely because of the continued increase in testing. Many states with an increase in cases also had an increase in hospitalizations with a handful of states also nearing bed capacity. Here is dr. Anthony faucis sobering warning yesterday. Now we have something that, indeed, turned out to be my worst nightmare, something thats highly transmissible, in a period if you just think about it in a period of four months, it has devastated the world. Deaths and millions and millions of infections worldwide, and it isnt over yet. He says it isnt over yet. Reverend al, he says were still at the beginning. And i will say, i think like 85 of americans, 84 , 85 of americans, im inspired by the marches that ive seen. At the same time, as i said to donald trump at the beginning of this pandemic, this pandemic doesnt care about your politics, doesnt care whether youre a republican or a democrat, whether youre black or youre white, it will kill you if youre not careful. And of course, the only mistake i made was that, actually, this pandemic actually does seem to care whether youre black or white. It kills black people at a far higher rate, at a disproportionate rate, as it does white people. It kills poor people at a far more disproportionate rate than it kills wealthy people or economically secure people. So, with all of that in mind, where do we go next with these marches . How do we make sure that as we move forward, as these numbers go up 114,000 people now dead in america from the coronavirus. How do we be more careful as were moving forward to make sure that the black community is not ravaged again by another surge in this disease . We must be very, very careful in particular that at our gatherings we practice social distancing and emphasize it. And the organizers must do that. The ones that i have worked with during this period with National Action network we did actions in Staten Island and minneapolis. We insisted on social distancing. The family of george has said that it must be that, because you cannot solve one problem and raise one problem of Racial Disparity in criminal justice and ignore the Racial Disparity in this pandemic and cause people to risk life and risk health while youre fighting for the wrong death of george. So, i think that we have to enforce that. We called for a National March on the anniversary of i have a dream, august 28th. But we are putting in place social distancing or telling people, dont come. I saw family members saying at the church yesterday, wheres your face mask . Dont come in this church. Youll have to leave without a face mask. These are family members mourning. You cannot solve a problem by creating or enhancing another problem. Two wrongs wont make one civil right. Youre wrong if you dont practice social distancing and safety, even while we continue these necessary protests. More wise words from reverend al. And jon meacham, just putting a Historical Context on where we are in a pandemic, where dr. Fauci says were nowhere near the end, were still at the beginning. 114,000 americans dead. Thats twice as many that died in combat deaths in world war i. Of course, another 54,000, 55,000 died from the 1918 pandemic. So, we find ourselves in the middle of this battle against this deadly disease thats killed 114,000 americans. The rate of infections are going up across the country. And this is a country that seems to be battered, going from the worst pandemic in 100 years to the worst Economic Conditions in 90 years to the Worst Health Care crisis in over a century. Yeah. Its a little bit reminiscent of 1964 or so, when you had the gulf of tonkin. You had the Civil Rights Movement becoming increasingly difficult. You had the Civil Rights Act, which was a great achievement in july, but then you had riots, and you had a white backlash that raised the inner language in a big way in that period. Its just, history happens with repitiy, and were in that moment. And it requires the ability to both react in the moment, in terms of leadership, but also a sustained attention to something that requires sustained attention. And the metaphor there, i think, the analogy there is the cold war, to some extent, where you have to focus at least part of the culture, part of the apparatus, has to focus on how do we solve this. Reverend als right about were all combatants in the sense of our actions. But the vaccine, the contact tracing, all of that work that doesnt necessarily make for a glamorous and incendiary tweet is the duty of care of an american president. And the last point here is we need to be very careful, and were not very good at this, in not proving dr. King right about Something Else he said. Right after he was at the kennedy funeral in 1963. And walter falkroy said to him, well, were certainly going to get the civil rights bill now. And dr. King turned to him and said, were a tenday nation, walter. We Pay Attention for about ten days. And reality doesnt track with our attention span. The test of a mature democracy, the test of citizenship is the capacity to pay sufficient and commensurate attention to the real problems, whether its policing, whether its economic, whether its Public Health, that we have to confront. Well, and willie, we may be a tenday nation. Maybe were a tenminute nation now, all these years, 56 years after that statement was made, 57 years after that statement was made. But i just ive got to say, in the great challenges of 2020 and there have been so many great challenges for americans to endure and the great challenge is the overwhelming majority of americans stood together, stood together on their approach to the pandemic. They sheltered their families in place. They respected others. They were careful. They bent that curve. You can look also at the protests following the killing of george floyd. The same things happening. The overwhelming majority of americans are as one. You know, everybody used to say were a 50 50 nation . More like a 75 nation this year through two or three of our toughest crises that weve had. Its actually if you can pull back from the cable news chatter, if you can pull back from the talk radio noise, if you can pull back from the online histrionics, you see America United on the big issues, finally. Yeah, its such an important point, and i think its one of the themes of this era, which is that the loudest, most extreme voices you talked about online or on cable news, but you also can say from the white house tend to dominate the day, when the truth is, the president , who sides with people who dont want to wear masks, who sides with the police when they push over a 75yearold man in buffalo and suggest that that man is a member of antifa and that he flopped and fell down intentionally thats not the majority position in this country. We just showed the polls. People want change. People side with the Peaceful Protesters in the street. People are Wearing Masks. They do want to get this country better. And they watch that dichotomy we saw yesterday of joe biden making a speech like a president would make in this time, and the president of the United States spending his morning just a couple of hours before the funeral of george floyd, tweeting about this alleged antifa member, a 75yearold man who is not a member of antifa, being pushed over in buffalo. And they see that contrast, and they will have the chance to decide. I think its already reflected in the polls sometimes, but your point is a good one, which is that the loudest and most extreme voices are not actually representative of where the country is. And one of the loudest and most extreme voices is from the president. Absolutely. And yesterday, his chief of staff, joe, could be seen on video making fun of reporters for Wearing Masks, like chiding them and mocking them. Its incredible. They are, you know, they are so out of touch. And the fact that the fact that serving a president requires you to belittle people, laugh at them. Live dangerously, to mock people, to turn, avert your gaze from the horrors that are going on all around you, from the cruelty thats going on all around you. It will all be recorded in the history books. Jon meacham, thank you very much for coming on this morning. And still ahead on morning joe, were going to dig into yesterdays major voting issues in georgia and the fallout from President Trumps tweet yesterday, where he said that a 75yearold man who was pushed to the ground, shoved violently to the ground by police and who was bleeding from the ear, fell harder than he was pushed . Youre watching morning joe. Well be right back. Atching mo well be right back. 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Im not as fixated, i guess, as some people. Senator shelby, what did you think of the president s tweet . Senator cornyn, can you stop at the mics for a second . What do you make of the president s tweet this morning . Does the president need to be more cautious about what he tweets . Majority leader mcconnell, do you have any response to the president s tweet this morning . Does the president need to be more careful about what he tweets . I didnt see it, so id have to i mean, you know, im sure that my office will be able to get me a copy of it, but i didnt see it. Senator burr, do you think the president needs to be more careful about his tweets, like the one this morning . So, no real response to it, but why not . I dont think it should be surprising in general because he tweets a lot. Senator johnson, was it appropriate for the president today to suggest that this buffalo man had been pushed over, this was staged by this man . Any response, sir . Do you want to weigh in about the president s tweet this morning about the buffalo protester . No. [ inaudible ] ill have to take a look at it. I dont have any time for it now. Do you have any response to the president s tweets this morning about the buffalo protester . You saw the president s tweet this morning where he talked about this buffalo protester. We have it for you here, if you its become a familiar scene in washington, republican senators avoiding questions about a tweet or a comment from President Trump. Yesterday it was President Trumps tweet about that 75yearold protester in buffalo, new york. As we told you on the air yesterday morning near the end of our show, the president suggested that martin gugino, who was pushed by two Police Officers at a protest, may be an antifa provocateur, in the president s word, who was trying to scan police equipment. He was not. The president s claim appears to have been taken from a Conspiracy Theory that aired yesterday morning on one American News network, a farright propaganda cable channel. Oann reporter christian ruse claimed that video showed gugino using a phone tracker on its phone, calling it an old trick used by antifa, without providing any evidence or other examples. The video was not newly released. It was just slowed down. And it does not show gugino using a police tracker. Rouz, who we should point out, worked for sputnik, has a record of pushing baseless conspiracy theories at oann. Last month he claimed that the coronavirus was a plot by george soros, bill gates, dr. Anthony fauci, the clintons, and china for population control. The video of gugino getting pushed has become one of the mostviewed examples of Police Violence in the recent protests. Two officers have been suspended without pay and charged with seconddegree assault, to which theyve pled not guilty. The president s chief of staff, mark meadows, was asked to weigh in on President Trumps tweet yesterday. Did you have a reaction to the president s tweet earlier today. Regarding the man in buffalo . Beg your pardon . Did you have a reaction to the president s tweet . I learned a long time ago not to comment on tweets. A Senior Administration official tells nbc news aides initially tried to keep the president busy yesterday, the day, of course, of George Floyds funeral, and conveyed to him that the quieter he can be, the better, out of respect for the floyd family. Joe, i dont say this lightly, but thats the way you talk about a young child. We need to keep this child busy and distracted so that the child does not act out in some way on the day of national mourning, around the funeral, in this case, of george floyd. And you have republican after republican, including the chief of staff, with a smile on his face, pretending they dont know what the press is talking about. Whats interesting, willie, is a lot of people look at those republicans walking past not saying a word as somehow being helpful for the president. How dare they . And of course, they should all speak out. Lisa murkowski i think spoke out again. But it is so damning, that with every one of those members of the United States senate, every one of those republicans that pass by the microphones and will not stop to defend something that donald trump said is damning for the president. And this keeps happening over and over again. The president s rhetoric becoming even more inflammatory, the president s language becoming even more offensive. And for those republicans, most importantly, since they obviously arent going to stand up for the rights of Senior Citizens who are getting brutalized by Police Officers and sent to the hospital in critical condition, since mr. Mcconnells not going to defend a Senior Citizen and since every one of those republicans arent going to defend a Senior Citizen, and in fact, the president , who put that Senior Citizens life at risk by saying that hes part of anti antifa, which he calls a terrorist operation, which other members of Congress Tweet out should be hunted down and killed since they dont care about that, every picture of one of those republicans walking past the microphones not saying anything is damning to the Republican Party, makes matters even worse for the Republican Party, makes them look even more like politicians with something to hide. And you know, they ive said it a million times, im going to say it again. We can all look at those clips, willie, mika. We can all be offended by it. People can raise their arms high into the air and go, oh, how do they get away with such things . How were they getting away with this . Right. Theyre not. 2017, democrats won sweeping victories. Women stood in the rain for hours in Northern Virginia just to send a message to donald trump and elect a democratic governor and to defeat one republican after another and save legislative races. 2018, remember, willie, when we were all shocked and we should have been shocked by donald trump sending troops to the american Mexican Border during thanksgiving and christmas, over the holidays . You know, and actually before that, going into the election, to try to prove a point. Remember all the garbage about people coming with polio and smallpox and scurvy . Whatever. I mean, whatever they were calling, leprosy. Leprosy terrible i think somebody on a news network said leprosy, yes. The caravan was bringing leprosy to the United States and the stupidity is just we were, how can we do this . This is so terrible. Staggering. I heard a million times, hes going to get away with it, this is so bad he didnt get away with it. What he got was, he had his party defeated at the polls in a way that was historic. Republicans lost the biggest landslide victory by vote that year that theyve ever lost, 2019. Democrats picking up states in the deep south in the governorships, in kentucky, in louisiana. Willie, this doesnt work. Not only does it not work, it is toxic for the Republican Party. There is no happy ending to a party that wont speak out against Police Officers pushing a 75yearold man to the ground, having blood coming out of his ears, having him put in the critical, Critical Care sickening. Inside of a hospital, and then having the president accuse him of being a terrorist, because thats what donald trump has been saying for weeks, that antifa is a terrorist organization. And members of congress have been tweeting that they should be hunted down and shot. So, donald trump is putting this Senior Citizens life in danger, even when he leaves the hospital. Willie, if they dont have a comment for that, like they havent had a comment for other tweets where donald trump tortures families of deceased people, where donald trump says the most just absolutely horrific things you know, if they dont have the comments for a 75yearold man . I mean, this behavior is monstrous. Sent to the hospital . Well, theyre going to pay for it. Theyre going to pay for it politically. And you look at these polls. They already are, arent they, willie . Yeah, they are. And i ask not rhetorically, but sincerely, again the question weve asked so many times over the last 3 1 2 years what are you afraid of . What is the risk of you stepping out on the edge and bravely condemning the beating up of a 75yearold man . Who is going to be offended by that, if you condemn the president pushing that theory that he is a terrorist and that he sort of had it coming and that he flopped when he fell . If you are a republican senator or just a decent human being, what would be the risk to saying that . Are there constituents who would not vote for you . Would you get a mean tweet from the President Trump . As an adult, what are you afraid of . And i still havent heard a great answer. Sometimes i understand there are politics involved and policy questions. I get that. But this is an easy one. I mean, you talk about a layup. Do you agree with the president that this man was a member of antifa, who flopped when he was pushed by the police and was sent to the hospital . Yes or no . And most republicans, not all of them, but most republicans yesterday chose no comment when asked that question. And mika, reports from axios that inside the white house, aides were once again deeply distressed by the president s tweets. Again, he keeps digging himself in a deeper hole every day. He cannot stop himself. He, somehow, refuses to do what not only would be best for america, but best for his own political standing, and that is work to bring america together. He could start today. It would make a big difference. Joining us now, former chief of staff to the dccc and now director of surrogate strategy and operations for the Biden Campaign, adrienne elrod. Congratulations thank you. Thats great news for you. And lets talk about joe biden in all of this, because the contrast gets bigger every day. Yeah, mika, it certainly does, and this is one of the reasons why joe biden is leading so far in the polls right now, not just leading. Hes substantially ahead of donald trump at this moment, because americans are sick and tired of seeing this type of behavior coming from the oval office. They are ready to see the leadership restored, integrity restored. Joe biden has a steady leadership to get us there, to bring back our government to a place where we want it to be. Weve seen this time and time again in the polls. We hear it time and time again, everybody we talk to, conversations that we have. And that, again, mika, is one of the important parts of having a robust surrogate strategy on the campaign. The candidate cant be everywhere at once. Youve got to have, you know, numbers of people who can go out there and talk about his experience, talk about his biography, really add credibility to his record. And im so excited to be part of this campaign, and of course to work with my friend, karine, because weve got five months left to bring this home. Theres a lot at stake. And i couldnt be more honored to be a part of this operation. Well, right here you see the team is in place with the installment of both of you and many others, and things are really ramping up. Karine, were going to have Madeleine Albright on the show, and i know her focus is election security. Shes very worried about shoring up the elections. Is that the area where we need to worry a little bit in terms of the approach that this president takes, his desire, openness to working with other countries to undermine this country and his real attack on mailin balloting . Should we be worried about the sanctity of the elections . Well, as we know, we have a president that abuses power. I mean, look at the reason why he was impeached by the house, which is because he was afraid of joe biden and asked for extra help, right, help from a foreign country, a foreign government. So, this is what were dealing with, with this president , so we have to be really key and really clear about how we move forward as a campaign, making sure that our voters are educated, that they understand, like, what is going on. And were trying to do this in the middle of a pandemic. And you have republicans you all were just talking about. The republicans, they dont seem to care about our security as well, our election security, so thats really key. So, yes, we have to be very vigilant. We have to make sure were on top of things. And when were moving forward in the next five months. And a lot of that is just educating our voters, like i was saying, and making sure that the tools are in place to make this happen while we are going to be social distancing, dealing with a pandemic on our hands still. You bring up social distancing. Adrienne, is joe biden going to get back out onto the campaign trail, as we look toward conventions . We know donald trump is looking to start having his rallies again. Im not sure about the im not sure how smart that is, healthwise. What is the strategy, though, to get out the vote, to have joe biden interact with voters and do what many say is what he does best, which is connect with people . Well, mika, you raise a really good point. I mean, look, i think theres nobody who would like to be on the campaign trail more right now than joe biden, but its got to be done safely and within the guidelines of the cdc. So, well see how that shakes out. But you know, theres a lot that we can do, not with the Vice President s time at this point, but also with a lot of surrogates. We can deploy people across platforms. You know, weve been doing on the campaign a number of Virtual Events where youre, you know, surrogates are traveling to battleground states virtually. And with a robust team that were building on the campaign, we can even amplify those events more. So you know, look, well see how things shake out this summer, but theres a lot of work we can do at the campaign without having to risk anybodys health to travel at this point. All right. Adrienne, thank you very, very much for joining us this morning. Congratulations on your new position with the Biden Campaign. Both karine and adrienne will be back on the show now in these new respective positions. So, congratulations to you both. Thank you, mika. The strategy, joe, for joe biden, is at this point contrast, given what donald trump seems to sort of churn out by the day. Democratic congressman jim clyburn of South Carolina yesterday voiced his feelings on the cause another big story were covering to defund the police. Take a listen. Reform policing in this country. We need to reform policing. The fact of the matter is, people keep talking about camden, new jersey. Camden, new jersey, was about defunding a department of the police. They still funded policing. They brought them in to do the policing. They even contracted out with private people to police. No one defunded policing. They defunded a rotten department, and thats as it should be. And reverend al, isnt it interesting that the Trump Campaign desperately have been trying to attach the defund the police label to democrats on capitol hill and to joe biden, and none of them are having anything to do with that, and its just like what you say were not defunding the police, were reforming the police. Big difference there, isnt it . Its a much bigger difference between defunding and reforming. Theyre talking about dealing with defunding of certain aspects of policing and shifting the concept of policing into things Like Mental Health and into counseling and others, and that is something that we all are pushing. Were not talking about eradicating policing and having anarchy. Were talking about defanging bad cops more than were talking about defunding policing. But the president , who himself threatened to hold back money from states if they didnt do what he wanted to do during the pandemic, now all of a sudden, while he distorts with the whole call of defunding is, he is the one who uses defunding as a threat, not those that are trying to correct policing. Lets continue this conversation with congressman Antonio Delgado of knock, one of the original cosponsors of the justice in policing act of 2020. Congressman, its good to see you this morning. Lets walk through a little bit this bill that you have cosponsored, and specifically, what it calls for and what it does not call for. What are you looking at in terms of police transparency, first of all . Well, first, let me start off by saying how important it is that congress was able to introduce this bill on the heels of a multicultural, multiracial, crossgenerational movement, the likes of which we have not seen in quite some time. And we have to really accept the moment here for what it is. The people are speaking out and they want change. So, for me, being able to tap into that, and as a member of congress serving at a time like this is incredibly moving on a personal level. The first africanamerican person of color to represent upstate new york. And if you walk through the bill, we are taking significant steps in the right direction to bring about transparency and accountability to law enforcement, whether its things like racial bias training, whether its banning choke holds, whether its banning noknock search warrants, whether its making sure we have a registry when it comes to police misconduct. Again, transparency and accountability, good policing, making sure that we are really amplifying the needs of the community, protecting, and serving it and doing it in an accountable fashion. So, congressman, on the extremes, this has been a conversation about defunding the police, as reverend sharpton just pointed out. Does your bill at all seek to defund the police . That word has a very specific meaning, which is to stop funding of Police Departments in this country. Would you support that . There is nothing in the bill that zeros out police budgets. Nothing. And so, when were hearing folks talk about this piece of the conversation lets go over exactly what the bill does. Lets focus on the power of this movement. You know, its such a profound time that were living in right now. With all of the divisiveness that were experiencing, with all of the partisanship, we are seeing people all across this country come together in ways that we havent in a long time, despite the hate, despite the ugliness, despite all the noise. I heard joe earlier talking about that fact. Lets focus on the power of this moment, the love, the compassion, the empathy that people are expressing in their hearts in the face of great division. Lets not focus on the noise. Congressman delgado, reverend sharpton. When you and others introduced this bill, you just talked about lets not focus on the noise and the great coming together the public has had on it, but will that be reflected in a vote in the senate and your colleagues in the house that are in the Republican Party . What is the likelihood and challenges of getting this bill passed, particularly in the u. S. Senate . Well, i will say, first and foremost, the bill was introduced a couple days ago. We are already at over 200, over 200 within a matter of a couple days here, of cosponsors. So, there is a real effort to push this thing through. Now, yes, making it bipartisan, unfortunately, is always going to be a challenge in this environment because of how much the noise dominates the conversation. Nonetheless, we have got to continue to do the work. I made it a point to be somebody who seeks out Common Ground all the time, trying to figure out a way to bridge the gap. My district, which is a rural o one, eighth most in the entire country and third of any democrat, by the way you know, we have to make sure that were finding Common Ground. A third independent, a third democrat, a third republican. So, being able to bring to bear the urgency of this moment, doing so in a way that invites good dialogue without demagoguing is of criminal importance. We cannot assume peoples perspective. I can hear out that perspective and give it a chance to breathe. And then from there, attempt to build consensus. So, i hope that in this moment, all of my colleagues all across the political spectrum can understand the import and how much the communities across this country are desperate to see us come together and reflect the will of the people. That is how you instill confidence in our system. Congressman Antonio Delgado, thank you so much for being on the show this morning. 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America or trump. Imagine how big the crowds will be when hes gone. A new day begins on november 3rd. Paid for by the lincoln project, which is responsible for the content of this advertising. The latest from the lincoln project, targeting one of the president s oldest obsessions, crowd size. Welcome back to morning joe. It is tuesday, june 10th. Reverend al sharpton is still with us. And joining the conversation, we have White House Reporter for the Associated Press, jonathan lamire, former u. S. Senator, now an nbc news and msnbc political analyst, claire mccaskill, National Security expert, columnist at usa today and author of the book the death of expertise, tom nichols joins us, and White House Correspondent for pbs newshour, Yamiche Alcindor joins us this morning. After his death sparked a Worldwide Movement for Racial Justice, 46yearold george floyd was laid to rest yesterday. His Memorial Service culminated with a final goodbye in houston, where a horsedrawn carriage led floyd to his final resting place, buried next to his mother. Floyd was eulogized by the reverend al shorpt arpton, who the family into the sanctuary, where hundreds paid their respects. The service was also attended by elected leaders, celebrities, activiti activity activisted and parents who have lost children at the hands of police. They heard messages of justice, loss, and the place floyd now holds in history. Hello. My name is brooke williams, George Floyds niece, and i can breathe. As long as im breathing, justice will be served my little brother was a friend. He was a mentor. He was a father. He was a basketball player. He was a football player. When the family came to me and asked me, did you go speak . I will speak. I will keep on speaking. I will fight. I will fight. I will fight, because ive been fighting for him and i will keep on fighting for him. We know that centuries ago, they took a man, a wicked man, put him on the cross, did not understand that though they were intending wickedness, that out of much intention of wickedness came goodness. When it was asked in isaiah, lord, who should i send . O god, have mercy on us. There was a tall man by the name of big floyd, who stood up and said, lord, send me. Were going to make sure that those who have looked through time, that they will know that he made a difference within his time because he changed not only this country, not only the United States. He changed the world we are not fighting some disconnected incidents. We are fighting an institutional, systemic problem that has been allowed to permeate since we were brought to these shores. All over the world, george, theyre marching with your name. Youve touched every one of the 50 states, even in a pandemic. People are walking out in the streets. As we lay you to rest today, the movement wont rest until we get justice. Until we get justice. The movement wont rest until we get justice. Reverend al, you join a long line of civil rights leaders and champions that have been pushing for that justice. And you never know when the opening comes for justice to actual actually, for history to bend and for justice to become the norm and not the exception, especially for black men, mainly black men in policing. But who would have ever imagined that this moment, this tragedy would have led us to where we are . I just, i think historically of 1865, and of course, the end of the civil war, the end of slavery. 1963, Martin Luther kings march on washington and the Church Bombing and so many other things that happened together that moved White America into the mainstream on civil rights thoughts and allowed the 64 and 65 Civil Rights Acts, voting right acts to be passed. But now we find ourselves in 2020 at another break in time, another moment thats looking more and more likely that the world will look back upon as a year, despite all of the other tragedies happening in this year, the year that civil rights was thrust forward yet again, like it was in 1963. As you line up the Historical Context of where we are, i think you hit it right on the head. With the confluence of the Ahmaud Arbery killing by three whites that now have been charged in brunswick, georgia, whose father was with us yesterday at the funeral, then followed almost ten days later by a young woman, breonna taylor, killed in her own house as a result of noknock laws in kentucky. Police breaking in her house looking for a man that, ironically, was already in custody and never had lived in that house. Her boyfriend fired a legal weapon, thinking he was being the victim of a breakin, and they killed her in the process. And then almost ten days later, george floyd happened. I think the confluence of that is what really, in the middle of a pandemic, where everyone is sheltered down, watching, boom, boom, boom, an explosion of concern happens, and it brings us to this moment. I dont know if any of those factors had not happened, whether there would have been a different reaction. I do not know. But its certainly a seminole moment. The idea, though, is that we dont blow the moment with the noise, rather than strategically do what you outlined. 63 led to a 64 Civil Rights Act and a 65 Voting Rights act. The end of the civil war led to emancipation proclamation and reconstruction. We must make this lead to Police Reform, not to just making noise. We need the noise, but the noise must be geared toward some results. So, its interesting, jonathan lamire. We had yesterday, of course, this going on, this remarkable remembrance of george floyd in this fraught time. You had people inside the white house trying to keep the president , according to reports, distracted so he wouldnt say anything or tweet anything that would be seen as inflammatory. He did. And theyre despondent. Well get your reaction about that. But while he was justifying police brutalizing a 75yearold man, this is what joe biden was doing. Little gianna, as i said to you when i saw you yesterday, youre so brave. Daddys looking down. Hes so proud of you. I know you miss that bear hug that only he could give, the pure joy riding on his shoulders so you could touch the sky, the countless hours he spent playing any game you wanted because your smile, your laugh, your love is the only thing that mattered at the moment. I know you have a lot of questions, honey. No child should have to ask questions that too many black children have had to ask for generations why . Why is daddy gone . In looking through your eyes, we should also be asking ourselves, why the answer is so often too cruel and painful. That is, of course wow. A man whose own personal life has been touched by too much tragedy, whose own heart has been touched one time too many by the awful grace of god, speaking to the family who is having to beg for gods grace through such difficult times. While joe biden was doing that, while this service, while we were moving toward this service, this is what donald trump tweeted yesterday about a 75yearold man who was pushed to the ground. He suggests that it could be an antifa provocateur. Good lord. And it was pushed away after appearing to scan Police Communications in order to black out the equipment. And he got that, of course, from a reporter who, if im not mistaken, wasnt that reporter actually employed by sputnik in the past and now pushing propaganda for russia, now pushing propaganda for the president s channel . So, joe, ive long said that joe biden speaks more ely about grief than any other public figure in america and he did so again yesterday, but those are similar words wed hear from just about any president. Americans are accustomed to hearing. And those are the words we certainly have not heard from President Trump, not often, about this particular moment. What happened yesterday was reminiscent of the first few months of the president s term. Ive talked to a number of white house staffers and republican allies in the last day or so and they were blind sided of this tweet. It was reminiscent of mow the president would see something on fox news or an article on breitbart or whatever it might be, and tweet something into the ether, akin to how the origin of when he suggested that president obama had been wiretapping him. Of course, an unproven Conspiracy Theory, completely not correct. And thats what were seeing here again, that he was watching the one america news network, which is his goto cable channel now, claiming fox news has not been friendly enough to him. So he saw that chyron with the word provocateur, and he sent that out, leaving white house aides blind sided and scrambling to sort of defend this, to make sense of it. But i will note, by days end, talking points were being sent around to reporters, suggesting that this man, this 75yearold man, had a questionable social media history and therefore, that should be looked into. Theres no evidence, joe, that this man was antifa. In fact, weve heard from a number of his relatives and friends, and those in his community, that he has done a lot of charity work for the catholic church, dont relief work. He was clearly not agitating in that video. He was simply going up to the Police Officer to talk, and that he was shoved to the ground and he was bleeding from the head, captured on video. The president decided to make this an issue yesterday. Yes, he didnt tweet about george floyd yesterday during the service, and reverend sharpton, led me add to my voice to those who are saying wonderful job yesterday, but this is now yet another thing that the president has been fixated on. And we have yet to have any sort of meaningful dialogue from the white house about the issue of racism, about the concerns of communities of color. There is a movement. Theres been a divide in the west wing about whether the president should make some sort of address. Right now the answer is no. They feel like, what good would it do, his advisers believe, to have the president speak on this subject . He is heading to dallas tomorrow, so hell be in texas. There is a suggestion there he might make some remarks. Maybe hell endorse some modified notion of Police Reform, but its unclear whether they will have any actual legislative teeth to it. You know, and willie, it bears underlining here that the 75yearold man, the peaceful protester who was shoved to the ground by police, sent to the hospital in critical condition, this Senior Citizen, who the president is attacking, not only did he have to endure that, he had to endure the president s attacks yesterday and be called a terrorist, at least in the president s eyes, who said antifas terrorists. And now, his safety is at risk when he gets out of the hospital, because you actually have members of congress who were asking in tweets not so long ago, since theyre a terrorist organization, whether americans could hunt them down and kill them. So, thats what the president did to that poor 75yearold man whos already been through so much already. Yeah. These are the kind of anonymous conspiracy theories that used to just stay put where they lived, in dark corners of the internet. Now theres a propaganda outlet that is willing to turn them into tv stories. And now the difference is, theres a president of the United States who is willing to amplify them with the biggest megaphone, arguably, in the world, that of the president of the United States. And yamiche, as we look at the president s tweet yesterday, unclear what his objective was, who that appeals to exactly, how that helps him get reelected. Maybe there is nothing behind it. Maybe he saw something on tv and tweeted it, not thinking about the consequences of that, or the fact that the president of the United States should not be amplifying dark conspiracy theories from the internet. But to the question that jonathan raised about actually the white house pushing some kind of reform in Police Departments. Hes wanted to be the lawandorder president. Hes using the Defund Police movement, he thinks as a cudgel to use against democrats and joe biden, despite the fact that joe biden has said he does not support defunding Police Departments. Where is the white house right now on Actual Police reform . Do they have any interest in it . We know Senate Republicans have appointed tim scott, the lone black senator in their caucus, to look into this question. Is the white house interested at all in reforming Police Departments in this moment . Well, i think that question has two parts to it. I think people in the white house around the president understand that there is a moment happening here that the white house needs to weigh in on its plan. You see jared kushner. You see senator tim scott meeting yesterday. Im told by sources that they had a robust conversation about some of the things they can agree on, some of the things that can be bipartisan. So there is in some sense some sort of plan thats coming together. Its expected at some point to be announced in the next few days or next week. But then, of course, you have the president himself. While people around him understand that there needs to be some sort of change based on just all 50 states being filled with americans protesting, demanding change, the president has been someone whos been very clear that he wants to be a lawandorder president , he wants to be someone whos seen as on the side of police 99 of the time, who is very, very cautious in trying to criticize the police, even when theyre wrong, when it comes to, of course, pushing that 75yearold man. The officers are suspended. This is not really a hard thing for the president to then criticize those officers on, but even then you see him lashing out, instead, at this protester and this old this elderly man who remains in the hospital. So i think thats the layout of the land there. I should just add, though, that that 75yearold that was pushed down, he is not not only is he just not someone who is a domestic terrorist, but hes also someone whos a member of two nonprofits, one focused on housing and the other focused on peace and general wellbeing of the country. And then hes also a member of the catholic worker movement. So, as the president is trying to appeal to white evangelicals, making this walk, as we all know, to st. Johns church, holding up the bible, theres someone who actually is living his faith, exercising his faith as a catholic, this man who now lays in the hospital bed. And the president is attacking him. And i think its really powerful, if you hear the words of the man who was laying in the bed, martin gugino, he said, i dont really have any comment other than black lives matter. That tells you where americans are right now and where the president is right now. Yeah. And here it is. Here are the questions about the president s cruel tweet being dodged by republicans and also the president s chief of staff. Well start with him, mark meadows. This is him dodging those questions when he wasnt in this same moment, actually mocking reporters for Wearing Masks, so that they wont spread the coronavirus. He was mocking them for Wearing Masks. By the way, by the way mark meadows. Hey, mark, i know that i know you, mark. Yeah, thought we did. And its really confusing, because you know, lincoln said a house divided against itself cannot stand. But mark, mark, mark, my friend, mark. White house guidelines. Trump guidelines. Fauci guidelines. Say you need to wear a mask in public. Bad things happen when you dont wear a mask in public. And by the way, when i see people marching in the streets without Wearing Masks, im thinking, waz going through their head . Whats wrong with them . Everybody, like reverend al said, youre coming into the church, we want you to worship, and remember George Floyds life, but wear a mask. Right. So, mark, mark you had the president of the United States going to maine, going to maine to go to a factory where theyre making swabs and he, like, spews his that test people and save people, and because he didnt wear a mask, mark, they had to destroy all the work. Those hard workers in maine he germed up the place. Had to destroy all the work that they did while he was there because it was contaminated. So, dont play stupid, mark. Dont mock people for following the president s guidelines. For keeping you safe. Did he really make fun of reporters for Wearing Masks . Yes. And he and jared were walking down the hall maskless so that their germs can spread to the reporters. But again but the reporters were Wearing Masks. But Trump Administration guidelines. Thats correct. Are the people should wear masks. Fauci people should wear masks. Birx people should wear masks. Right. I think trump himself even said at one point, people need to wear masks. Well, so, here they are, without their masks, dodging questions about the president s flatout cruelty. Take a look. Did you have a reaction to the president s tweet earlier today . Regarding the man in buffalo . Beg your pardon . Did you have a reaction to the president s tweet i learned a long time ago not to comment on tweets. Senator, whats your response to the president s tweet, alleging that this protester was a person who worked with antifa . Is that something that you support . Do you think that thats an appropriate move of the president at this moment . I just saw the tweet and i know nothing of the episode, so i dont know. Im not as fixated, i guess, as some people. Senator shelby, what do you think of the president s tweet . Senator cornyn, can you stop at the mics for a second . What do you make of the president s tweet this morning . Does the president need to be more cautious about what he tweets . Majority leader mcconnell, do you have any response to the president s tweet this morning . Does the president need to be more careful about what he tweets . I didnt see it, so id have to i mean, you know, im sure that my office will be able to get me a copy of it, but i didnt see it. Senator burr theres nothing going on today, is there . Do you think the president needs to be more careful about his tweets, like the one this morning . So, no real response to it. But why not . I dont think it should be surprising in general because he tweets a lot. Senator johnson, was it appropriate for the president today to suggest that this buffalo man had been pushed over, this was staged by this man . Any response, sir . Do you want to weigh in about the president s tweet this morning about the buffalo protester . No. Id have to take a look at it. I dont have anything for you now. Do you have any response to the president s tweets this morning about the buffalo protester . You saw the president s tweet this morning where he talked about this buffalo protester . We have it for you here. Claire mccaskill, take it away. Well, you know, i think rick scott probably was the worst, because i guarantee you i know how the senate works, and the minute that tweet went out, every communication director on the hill got a hold of their boss and said, you need to know what the president just said, you need to be prepared. Reporters are going fog come up to you. This is what he said. What are we going to do . And the vast majority of those senators, as you see, the strategy was simple you stiffarm the press, say nothing. For rick scott to stand up there and say i havent seen it, or for kevin cramer to say, i didnt see the incident. Of course he saw the incident. What is he, living in a bunker . Maybe hes there with the president , who knows. But it is really now getting critical mass. And these polls are showing it. I mean, i saw yesterday i about fell out of my chair when i saw polls in kentucky and in, you know, iowa and in georgia and in texas, where the democrats are surging in these states that we never would have dreamt we had a chance in senate elections. So, now, i will tell you the question i would like to see the reporters all start asking right now. I would like us to shift from the president s tweets to, are you talking to Mitch Mcconnell about getting the Voting Rights act off his desk . The Voting Rights act, which has been sitting on Mitch Mcconnells desk it passed the house, in the senate, ready for the senate floor, for over 180 days. What we saw yesterday, when i think the eloquent words that laid george floyd to rest yesterday and how now this all depends on action within our democracy. At the same time, black voters in georgia were being asked to wait for five hours in hot weather, that people all over the country had polling places open until midnight because the Voter Suppression tactics were being used. The notion that Mitch Mcconnell is not getting a full court press right now from those senators that are running for the senate in georgia . If they dont start working for that voter rights the same Voting Rights act that reverend al referenced in his comments about the 1960s. Thats when that law passed, to keep black voters from being disenfranchised. And were seeing it all over again right now, and its particularly painful bautz ecau was happening on the day that we were burying george floyd. And tom nichols, going back to the republicans, one after another walking past, thats our former party. And our former party doesnt have a Single Person i think maybe Lisa Murkowski might have spoken out, but one senator after another, senator after another senator continues to walk past microphones, unable to say anything in defense of donald trump, can only put their head down and keep walking. And what an ugly scene that is. And in this case, they cant even come to the defense of a 75yearold man whos been called a terrorist by the president of the United States because he was brutalized, pushed down by the police. It ends up, hes, you know, yes, he belongs to a, quote, terrorist organization, the catholic church. I mean, its bizarre that they arent defending this man, who actually could have very easily been killed by Police Brutality. They dont need to defend the president. And this is a puzzling reaction on the part of republicans because they dont need to defend the president. All they have to do is mimic normal human behavior. All they have to do is step in front of a microphone and say, i dont know what the president s talking about. I saw that tape. I hope that gentleman is all right. We want every american to be safe. Well look into it. You know, this isnt hard. This is like basic senatoring 101 that you can answer a question like this without having to jump into the pit with the president. And i think what youre seeing is two things. First of all, they are all terrified of the president sicking the base on them. And i think what were really seeing here, and senator mccaskills pointing it out, said trump doesnt care what happens to anything else in the country, the Republican Partys fortunes anywhere, as long as the base continues to love him and believe him. And the other is that the president s inability to act like a normal human being is starting to trickle down through the rest of the Republican Party. Its literally starting to infect these senators who simply cant express empathy or emotion. You know, joe biden is a very empathetic politician. And when it comes to grief, he is very eloquent. But i think the other reason were so relieved to hear from joe biden is were just relieved to hear from someone who talks and speaks like a normal human being, who actually cares about other human beings. And i think weve just gotten calloused to the way trump reacts, and i think the senators that you just saw have kind of adopted that protective coloration, like cowardly chameleons. Theyve just decided to, you know, blend in with the wallpaper and show no empathy at all, and its horrifying. But tom, what i dont understand is that you can look back over the past three years and see what the cost is in general elections, for people blindly following donald trump. I knew a lot of republicans who were main street republicans, who ran as trumpists and got destroyed in general elections. So, if youre Martha Mcsally in arizona, if youre cory gardner in colorado, if youre Susan Collins in maine, if youre thom tillis in north carolina, you can see whats happened over the past three years. This is going to end badly for them. So, why you know like, they have seen the moths drawn to the flame. They have seen the moths go up in political flames. And their career ended, and by the way, their reputations destroyed. They will never work again in washington after donald trump leaves town. So, the question is, why do they continue going toward that flame that they know is going to torch their political future . I think its two things, joe. One is that what theyre being told and what theyre convincing themselves is that my biggest problem electorally is that im not close enough to the president yet, and i havent basked in enough reflected glory, that im not somehow picking up enough of the halo effect. And i think the other problem is, this is what happens when people are cowards in packs. Each one of those republican electeds is saying, you know, when youre all running away from the bear, theyre saying i dont have to be faster than the bear. I just have to be faster than you. So theyre looking around saying, whos going to be the first guy to get out there and take the shot and make that mistake . And its not going to be me. I mean, this is everybody playing super defensive positions. And you know, again, its horrifying and, youre right, its not going to save them. But i think thats the strategy and i think thats what theyre telling each other inside the republican public. All right, well, tom, thank you for being with us. And i want you to know that were all thinking about you saying goodbye to your brother. Youve talked about it eloquently, how difficult that is under any circumstances, but especially during a pandemic. So, just want you to know were thinking about you and praying about you and remembering your brother. Thank you very much. And well talk more about what happened in georgia, the state seeing some major problems at the ballot box in yesterdays primary. A troubling sign for what could happen in november. Plus, bestselling Author Ibram Kendi joins us with a book that seems perfect at this moment, how to be an antiracist. We will be right back. To ben a antiracist. We will be right back. Right now is a time for action. Thats why usaa is giving Payment Relief options to eligible members so they can pay for things like groceries before they worry about their insurance or credit card bills. Discover all the ways were helping members today. For as little as 5, now anyone can own companies in the s p 500, even if their shares cost more. At 5 a slice, you could own Ten Companies for 50 instead of paying thousands. All Commission Free online. 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And with his guidance and leadership, were going to come together with a proposal that we think makes the most sense for the federal government in the wake of what weve seen and experienced over the last couple of weeks. Majority leader Mitch Mcconnell has tapped tim scott of South Carolina, the only republican africanamerican senator, to craft a gop Police Reform bill. Joining us now, founding director of the Antiracist Research and policy center at american university, ibram x. Kendi. He will join the staff of Boston University to launch the new center for Antiracist Research at that school. He is also the author of the bestselling book entitled how to be an antiracist. And he is the youngest person ever to win the National Book award for nonfiction for the book stamped from the beginning. It is a pleasure and an honor to have you on the show this morning. Lets start with the concept of your book and whether you are seeing any of that denial that you talk about in your book in washington today. Oh, without question. I mean, i think if we remember correctly, over the weekend, members of the Trump Administration were asked, is there a Police Brutality problem . Is there systemic racism . And they said no. And to say that theres no racism in this country, to say that in minneapolis, where black people are about 20 of the population but 60 of the people subjected to police shootings, or that the whiteblack income gap is nearly 50,000, to say that its not the result of racist policies is to say theres something wrong with black people, is to say racist ideas, and that is to deny that your ideas are racist. And you contend, you argue that that denial is actually the heartbeat of racism. It is. I mean, slave traders denied that their ideas and policies were racist. Slaveholders denied that they were racist. They said they were following gods law, black people with a curse to sentence of ham, or natures law, black people were by nature fit for slavery. Segregationists said everything was good in the south and outside agitators are coming down here to mess it up. And so, this is the history of racism is the history of denial. Ibram, willie geist. Great to have you back on the show this morning. We appreciate your time. Weve heard the term systemic racism used so much in the last couple of weeks, and its kind of become shorthand. And i havent heard a lot of people give a good explanation for what it is exactly, and i think its important that people understand that. Its not calling somebody a name or a racial epithet. Its everything that undergirds that. So, when you think about systemic racism, what do you think of and what needs to change . Sure. So, lets think about it in this way. We can understand racism, systemic racism, as a collection of racist policies that are leading to racial inequities and are substantiated by racist ideas. So, if we take voting, for instance, theres a series of voting policies that are racists, that are disenfranchising black and brown voters. And then the justification for those policies are voter fraud, which, of course, are degrading these voters. So, then people there is no problem with these policies. Theres nothing wrong with these people being disenfranchised. And so, clearly, we need to institute antiracist policies. We need policies that expand the electorate, that protect black bodies against Police Violence, that ensure equity and justice for all. Kendi, al sharpton. Isnt that the rub, which you just discussed and which you said, i think very effectively in your book, and that is that people are not willing to say that this is baked into the cake, so to speak, in terms of the system, and therefore, you need some antiracist antibiotics, if we were talking about an infirmity, in order to undo this, and whether or not we can get most americans to make that leap . Because youre talking about some fundamental change based on direct moves is what youre out lining, that has to counter what weve allowed to be baked into the cake here. Precisely. You know, i just want to echo as well, in terms of your powerful eulogy yesterday. But youre precisely right. I mean, when the norm in this country is racial inequality, the norm is racial injustice, the norm is racial inequity, we need affirmative policies. We need policies that seek to undermine that norm, that seek to reduce inequity and injustice. We cant do nothing and expect to eliminate racism. We have to be actively fighting racism by being antiracists. Yamiche el sinnalcindor has question. Youre talking about policies and systemic change. Some people think you cant change hearts and minds. What do you make of that sentiment . Is it a copout to talk also about hearts and minds, or does it need to be both . I think it certainly can be both. But when we look at history, we find that, oftentimes, when we do the difficult and courageous work of changing policies, minds change when they realize those policies are actually helping them. To give an example, you know, its not long ago that Many Americans were against the Affordable Care act. And then that policy was instituted. And then when republicans tried to undermine it, they were some of the first people saying, no, no, no, this helps me. Just like there was a time which people were against interracial marriage. But then people realized it wasnt the end of america. People were against schoolchildren, you know, learning together. And then people realized that, actually, it wasnt as bad as segregationists were making it out to be. And so, i think the real fight is the changing of policies, because i think that can be much more effective in changing minds. The book is how to be an antiracist, ib ram x kendi. Thank you so much for being on the show this morning. Please come back. And coming up, a troubling sign for what could happen in november. Georgia just saw some major problems at the ballot box in yesterdays primary. Well talk to the democratic candidate for u. S. Senate, jon ossoff, next on morning joe. N ossoff, next on morning joe. Who has time for wrinkles . Neutrogena® rapid wrinkle repair®. Weve got the retinol that gives you results in one week. Not just any retinol. Accelerated retinol sa. For not only smoother skin in one day, but youngerlooking skin in just one week. And thats clinically proven. Results that fast or your money back. 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Concern spread that problems would disenfranchise untold voters, particularly africanamericans, predominantly black communities experienced some of the worst problems. As georgia has emerged as a potential battleground state, democrats are pointing blame at republican Governor Brian Kemp and his secretary of state for instituting a new Voting System too quickly, without enough provisional ballots in case the new machines did not work properly. Come on. Secretary of state Brad Rafensberger released a statement saying what happened is unacceptable, and his office has opened an investigation to determine what counties need to do to resolve the issues before novembers election. As for the contests, in georgias democratic primary for the u. S. Senate race, candidate jon ossoff has a wide lead over the field but has yet to reach the majority vote mark needed to avoid an august runoff. As of this morning, that race is still deemed too early to call with 65 of the vote in. And jon ossoff joins us right now. So, boy, front page of the Atlanta Journalconstitution calls it a complete meltdown. What happened yesterday and what needs to happen before november to shore up the election . Thank you for having me, mika. What happened yesterday in georgia was an embarrassment. It was a disgrace. It was an affront to the principles of our constitution. And whats happened in georgia over the last several months, between yesterdays debacle of an election and the killing of Ahmaud Arbery and the refusal of police and prosecutors here to pursue that case has demonstrated the need for a new Civil Rights Act and a new Voting Rights act to secure the franchise for all georgians and all americans and to secure equal justice for every citizen. John, its willie geist. Lets talk about the results of last nights election. Obviously, not all the votes are in because of all the complications and the problems at those polling places. Do you expect when theyre all counted you will have cleared a majority and you will not have to go to a runoff . Well see. Im not making any predictions. There are still likely hundreds of thousands of absentee ballots that have not yet been counted and have not been counted and a lot of confusion to sort through after the events of yesterday. Clearly, this was a major victory and a dominant performance. I secured more votes than the next five candidates combined. And were ready to move on and proceed to challenge senator david perdue in the fall. Just to make sure viewers are aware who im running against. Senator david perdue has been caught in recent months selling meetings for corporate pac checks, trading on inside information to profit from the coronavirus pandemic and hes been cited for taking illegal corporate contributions as well. He seemingly lacking a mind of his own is one of President Trumps most infamous enablers. Never a word of criticism, even for this president s most egregious conduct. All of this is apparent to georgia voters. Thats why im leading hum by a 2 margin in the most recent polling. Well extend senator perdue to come on the show to rebutt your argument against him. Good. We know there was a 104 million Voting System put in place recently that was supposed to make things easier and cleaner and more democratic, frankly, easier to get people to vote. We know some people stood in line so long yesterday and last night that they just went home. That is disenfranchisement defined. What exactly what happened . We know there were fewer poll workers, we know social distancing made the lines longer, we know coronavirus pushed back the primary, but what exactly was the problem yesterday. We have a system in georgia that seemingly by design fails in areas where theres high density of high volume. And in counties that lack as much resource and as much equipment. These decisions are made by georgia secretary of state office in terms of training, in terms of the overall architecture of voting in georgia. This is what Stacey Abrams has been sounding the alarm on for years now and what her Organization Fair fight is fighting. We have a problem with mass disenfranchisement in georgia. A problem with major purges of the voter rolls. Yesterday folks having to wait six hours to cast their ballot. To give you a sebs of how this reached out and touched everybody, my wife and i applied for our absentee ballots a month ago. We wrote the county, we sent letters to the county, we sounded the alarm publicly. We new england got their balance lo l got our ballot and im on the ballot. We are strong so we can do that. Think of the seniors who cant go out and risk contracting disease, who expected to receive an absentee ballot and because of the incompetence of authorities at every level, for which our state leadership still refuses to take responsibility, a lot of people were disenfranchised yesterday. Its a shame and why we need a new Voting Rights act in america. Claire mccaskill has a question. Claire . When i saw those lines, i always think of the single mom who has to leave because she has to get back to a job or many times has to leave because she has a child that she has to care for. The people are disenfranchised are exactly those who republicans want disenfranchised, those dealing with a tough economic climate. The Voting Rights act was blown out of the water by the roberts court. It was put in the dust bin of history by chief Justice Roberts and those Supreme Court justices who agreed with him. It is now on Mitch Mcconnells desk, as you are well aware, as Stacey Abrams is well aware. Has david perdue said he backs the Voting Rights act that allows the republican leader to allow the senators to vote on it . I havent heard a peep from senator perdue on this. Youre exactly right, senator, its folks who cannot afford to spend one hour let alone six hours waiting to vote between work and other obligations. And this is a system that fails by design in places where you have high concentrations of black voters and high concentrations of lower income voters. And senator perdue, as a senator for all georgians, should be out there leading the charge on this. He should be out there defending the Voting Rights of every single citizen. But instead hes slept. You wont hear him urging Mitch Mcconnell to pass legislation. As you pointed out, the Shelby County decision, which eviscerated the Voting Rights act, means states like georgia can change their voting procedure, can close precincts, can do all of this without scrutiny from the department of justice. So they can hold law enforcement, prosecutors and judges across this country to uniform standards of civil, constitutional and human rights. Jonathan lemire, jump in. Yesterday it was held in the shadow of coronavirus. Georgia Governor Kemp received criticism from opening up the state early, perhaps earlier than some Health Experts believe should have happened. Can you give us an update as to what youre seeing with the coronavirus pandemic in your home state and also what can be done to safeguard the vote in november so people can vote safely, particularly if the coronavirus comes back, as anticipated, with a second wave this fall. Yeah, all of us in georgia are watching the health data week by week. So far theres not a trend up our down. Governor kemp was criticized because it wasnt just early opening but it was massage particulars, hair institutions where theres close contact between client, workers and vendors. I hope and all georgians hope that despite that, the numbers will continue to come down. But what i think were not seeing at the National Level is a real grappling with the fact that this virus is still among us. We continue to need significant investment in the Public Health response. We continue to desperately need policy that is guided by science and Public Health experts. We have here in georgia. Centers for Disease Control and prevention, the cdc, which has been largely sidelined in the administration because the virus response has been so politicized. And it should be abandonly clear to folks like senator perdue, who was too busy literally on the same day as a classified coronavirus he was buying stock in ppe. In february he was selling casino shares to buy stocks in a maker of vaccines. He was trading stocks 300 his normally tempo while write the largest economic bailout in history. We need Public Servants who put the public above themselves. This isnt about David Perdues party. Its the fact he sought to enrich himself, instead of warning people of georgia what was to come and warning the country and constituents of what was to come. As much as he is awol right now while georgia is crying out for defense of their voting rishgts hes done nothing but praising the administration response, taking no proactive response, and folks in george goeshia see and demand better. Thank you very much. Again, we are extending an invite to senator perdue to respond to those claims. Coming up, one of our next guests says that stress was already killing black americans and that covid19 is making it worse. Harvard professor dr. David Williams Joins us to talk about that. Former secretary of state Madeleine Albright will be our guest. Youre watching morning joe. Give me your hand i can save you. Lots of money with Liberty Mutual we customize your Car Insurance so you only pay for what you need only pay for what you need. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Most people, the numbers you feel now will turn day after day, season after season into purpose to the memory of the one they lost. But for you, that day has come before you can fully grieve. And unlike most, you must grieve in public. Its a burden. A burden that is now your purpose to change the world for the better in the name of george floyd. Joe biden delivered remarks in a prerecorded video during George Floyds funeral yesterday. Good morning and welcome to morning joe. It is june 10th. We have the host of nbcs politics nation and president of the National Action network, reverend al sharpton, karine jeanpierre, now adviser to bo Biden Campaign, and author jon meacham joins us, an nbc news and msnbc contributor. We will play for you more of joe bidens message that was played at George Floyds funeral and the other moving speakers, including reverend al. Well get into yesterdays breakdown in georgias voting process. This is a big story. The secretary of state is opening an investigation after reports of long waits, Voting Machines not working and a lack of ballots in some areas. Plus, stop us if youve heard this before, President Trumps latest push of a Conspiracy Theory on twitter draws mostly silence from republicans on capitol hill. And his own aides horrified by the fact that he keeps deging himself in a deeper hole in this crisis. Several states are seeing a rise in hospitalization rates due to coronavirus. And dr. Anthony fauci is issuing a new warning. Well have that for you as well. Reverend al, lets talk about the freloyd funeral. First, a couple of moments where you really, i think, broke through all the noise weve been hearing. You said this was not just a tragedy, it was a crime, and talked about what america needed to do to make sure that crime was addressed. And then one of the really moving parts, you said you called for momma. Were going to lay your body next to hers. The range of emotions yesterday at your address, they were they were stunning. Powerful. Powerful, extraordinary. Tell us what it was like to be inside that room. It was very, very emotional, even for me, even though ive done these for so many years. To be sitting there with the family that was not dealing with this as a public issue, not dealing with this as a headline, but this was their father, their brother, their cousin, and to hear what they would say to each other over the last few days and how they were struggling to deal with the public light and glad that they were put into without any request of their own, and balance that with a real Firm Commitment that they wanted to see justice, all of that was very much present. So, when i spoke, wanted people to, as we go through all of these announcements, this corporation, billions of dollars, this person doing that, which is all good and necessary, i wanted people to understand from the family point of view and my own, this was a crime. Lets not get beyond the fact that someone decided to break the law by pressing their knee 8 minutes, 46 seconds on a human beings neck that caused his death that ought to be accountable. And we should do the studies. We ought to deal with racism, but lets make sure the way you make it plainly clear that black lives are just as respected by the law as anyone else is you have to pay for the crime and you have to deal with it as a crime. And then we took him to the cemetery where his mothers buried. And i did the final last words over him as we committed his body. He called for his mother in his last eight minutes of life and we laid him to rest next to where his mother was buried, he will be buried. There was another moving moment where you connected George Floyds death to the death and the tragedy and the pain and the hardship that so many other families in the black community have endured through the years. What a moving moment it was. Alex, lets roll that tape. The mother of trayvon martin, will you stand. The mother of eric garner, will you stand. The sister family of pamela tur right here in houston, will you stand. The father of Michael Brown from ferguson, missouri, will you stand. The father of Ahmaud Arbery, will you stand. That was an incredible moving moment, the entire church raised to its feet and applauded for those families over Police Violence over the last years. They have this brotherhood and sisterhood among them, tragically, of people who understand what George Floyds family feels right now and what George Floyds family is going through right now. Not as you said, just the loss of a loved one, but having to grieve in public and to be thrust into the spotlight as almost activists in all of this. How do they operate together . Are they as much a community as it seems . Yes, it really is. When i went down the first week of which is almost three weeks ago, to deal with the family and go to the site of where george was killed, i brought the mother of eric garner with me. And because of the generosity of tyler perry, he provided a private plane for her and for the family throughout this period. So they wouldnt have to deal with traveling with the coronavirus still with us. One of the reasons i wanted to do that is because they understand what i or you couldnt understand. They know the pain and the emptiness and trying to rush into how do i handle public life and not make mistakes. I watched her in the room with them. And then when trayvons mother came in, when Michael Browns mother came, when others came, they almost have an unspoken language between each other, though they started as strangers, because its a pain that they understand, that someone like me can be sensitive to and try to help and deal with whatever they need, but they know know each other. Theres also a sense of comfort that the ones that were the object of the of condolences and the comrade feeling yesterday, in this case the george family, they feel theyre not alone because they see others that this has happened to that took time to come. So, i think it was very comforting for them to share and be there all together. The shame is theres so many of them. As i introduced them, and most of those cases i fought, led marches and rallies for, its a shame we have so many in this period in American History. And we havent solved the problem in the criminal Justice System to bring a lot of those cases to justice. 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And looking through your eyes, we should also be asking ourselves why the answer is too often too cruel and too painful. Now is the time for Racial Justice. Thats the answer we must give to our children when they ask why, because when theres justice for george floyd, we will truly be on our way to Racial Justice in america. And then as you said, gianna, your daddy will have changed the world. You know, jon meacham, that is what americans are used to in their president s. From fdrs fireside chats where he talked a frightened america through the Great Depression to Ronald Reagans pitchperfect response to the challenger disaster to george w. Bush standing on top of the pile of rubble after 9 11, saying we hear you and soon the world will hear you. Joe bidens response is the response that we americans, republican and democrat and independent alike, are used to during these times. But its contrasted in the white house at the same time joe biden is delivering those moving, eloquent remarks by a president who was tweeting and attacking a 75yearold man who was brutalized by police and is in the hospital fighting for his health. The contrast is so great. It seems so long even though its only been 3 1 2 years since weve had a president who actually spoke like joe biden did there. Yeah, the thing here has to tb both restoration and reform. I think thats where joe biden is. Hes about restoring that vernacular of grace and dignity and the aim of equality that, youre right, we have been blessed with for a long time. It also has to come with reform, which is what the Vice President said as well. Look, it was 8 46, its also been 400 years. We cant lose sight of that in the midst of this. I thought reverend sharpton did a masterful job yesterday of weaving the particular and the universal together, which is one of the great part of a preacher and part of liturgy is to remind ourselves were individual human souls. What i think is really important here is we take i was thinking about yesterday watching the funeral was dr. Kings eulogy at 16th Street Baptist Church for three of the four girls who were murdered in september of 63. And his thematic, his refrain is god has a way of bringing good out of evil. That is excellent and comforting point, but the comfort is pretty cold when youre in the midst of that evil. Karine jeanpierre, joe biden is stepping into the void of empathy in the presidency and filling that, but lets put aside your position with the Biden Campaign for a moment and talk about this moment and how does it move beyond being just an incredibly powerful moment in our history . Yeah, yeah, thats right, mika. Yesterday at the funeral, the homegoing for george floyd, it was powerful, beautiful and incredibly hurtful and incredibly sad. You think about george floyd should be here with us today. 8 46, in 8 46 we heard him plead for his life. We heard him say, i cannot breathe. And it was just no regard for this mans life because of the color of his skin. And theres just too many of those stories. The reason we know about georges story is because it was recorded. How about all the others that have not been recorded . And so one of the things i want to say is something that reverend al sharpton said yesterday, which i really appreciated. Thank you, reverend al sharpton, for really putting it all together for us and really for speaking out for so many of us and lifting up our Community Like you do every day, but the thing that i really tuned into yesterday is how you said, this is not over. How you said you will continue this fight. When the cases, when the court, when it goes to the court and moves forward for george floyd, that youre still going to be there. We saw an outpouring that we havent seen, at least in my lifetime. This is the moment, this is the moment we have to ask for reform. This is the moment we have to continue to stay together. And its been multicultural, multiracial, its been a moment that has uplifted me in this incredibly sad time. So, we just have to continue that fight and continue to speak up because we cannot have we cannot afford any more george floyd. Coming up, former secretary of state Madeleine Albright is standing by. She joins the conversation next on morning joe. On morning joe. Are you a weirdo . [ scoffs ] the weirdest. You make everyone around you crazy. People are normal then they hang out with you and then theyre Jack Nicholson in the shining. Im gonna tell my mom you tried to drown me. Its an above ground pool youre like eight feet tall less oral steroids. 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Johns Episcopal Church just after protesters were cleared to make his walk across the street. Member of the d. C. National guard who was on duty that day said she supported the protests and among the protesters was her brother, who had, quote, coughed a lot due to the irritants fired into the crowd, tear gas. Attorney general william barr confirmed that pepper balls were used, which are classified as chemical agents. Joining us now, former secretary of state to president bill clinton, madeline all bright. Her latest book is entitled hell and other destinations a 21st century memoir. Well talk about that in a moment. Its wonderful to have you on the show. I really appreciate it. First, wed like to ask, madame secretary, if you could give us your reaction to what went down in Lafayette Square. Well, i have to say, i was totally stunned. Obviously, i am somebody that has been to Lafayette Square many times. And i really do think we are in a crucial moment in terms of seeing troops take out after people that were freely demonstrating and expressing what Lafayette Square is about. The opportunity to state views, to differ, to talk about democracy. And so i thought it was one of the most stunning and abhorrent things i have seen in a very long time. And leads to many, many questions about why it happened and what the effect of it will be. Madame secretary, you wrote in your last book fascism is warning, what you saw in Lafayette Square, does that make you fear that the president s instincts may be edging closer towards fascism . Well, im very worried about the use of violence and the things being said about those with whom you disagree, and a president that thinks hes above the law and maligns the press, i do tling that President Trump is the most unamerican, undemocratic president in American History. And im very troubled by his interpretation of everything as conspiracy theories and only about him with no sense of any empathy or any moral compass. But i think unamerican and undemocratic is the way i would describe him. In your latest book you describe that space in front of the white house. Let me read parts of that passage. Quote, stroll through a random afternoon and you might encounter break dancing, bag pipers in kilts, a black man soliciting funds to help the children of haiti, a white man proclaiming the clean. American School Children on field trips and asian tourists, among the other visitors are teenage boys wearing maga hats, veterans and activists carrying signs reading qult black lives matter. The panorama is different every day but the same as well. It is exuberant, varied, inclusive, respectful, disrespectful, alive, and above all, free. The whole area could be shut down in ten minutes. And i guess the fear of that panorama, that freedom being taken away, is one of the worst offenses, perhaps, we have seen in this entire presidency . I think so. And i wrote that in 2018. And i have always loved Lafayette Square because in so many ways it is the exemplify our freedom. There are military people who helped us to get a democracy and keep it and then all these variety of people. And so actually the fact there was a violent shutdown was something i was thinking about but really didnt think it was going to happen and i do think shutting down a place that is the kind of symbol and epitome of democracy. And i think using troops is the worst symbol. Its against democracy. And i do think we need to think about the things that happened. And i do think, mika, this is a crucial period because it can either allow us to be able to have Racial Justice and to figure out how social media should behave and health policy, or it could lead to more violence and a constitutional crisis. And we are the ones that have the choice. I know youve been talking about the elections in georgia. Democracy is not a spectator sport. The election and voting is an essential part of it. And the warnings that come out of what happened in georgia is something that we all have to take very, very much into mind because this is a crucial period where we can go either way. And i am an optimist, as you know, but i do worry a lot. And so im going to keep speaking out about the warnings that are out there when a place identified with democracy and free speech is shut down. That is a very strong warning. Willie . Secretary albright, its willie geist. Good to see you this morning. Youve spent your life traveling the world and working with world leaders. Weve seen these protests for a man who died under the knee of a Police Officer in minneapolis, minnesota. Filter out into the streets of cities around the world, from paris and amsterdam to nairobi and tokyo. Its been all over the world. So, what are you seeing around the world, not just in the United States, reflected . What are all those people out in the streets for for someone who died in this country . I think it is really very moving and remarkable the way that the whole message of george floyd has come through and various demonstrations that have happened in the United States as a result of it. I think you know, im a refugee. I came to this country when i was 11 years old and nothing made me prouder than to be able to sit behind a sign that said the United States. I dont want to be mortified or embarrassed by the behavior of the United States and trying to explain to people what happened here and that this is not the direction were going to go in and we have an opportunity to really restore our reputation in terms of being a country that believes in democracy, that believes in reform, that believes in free speech. And i am very glad that other countries are noticing it because it is more than an embarrassment to the United States. We have to change. We have to be true to what america is really about, diversity, freedom, freedom of speech. Madame secretary, Jonathan Lemire with the Associated Press is with us. He has a question for you. Jonathan . Madame secretary, we of course know what happened in 2016 with russias election interference. There is reporting now about russia and other countries trying to stir trouble online both in terms of americas response to the coronavirus pandemic, but also the unrest weve seen in the streets the last couple of weeks during these protests. How concerned are you . Were now under five months into the election, that we will see a disinformation campaign, a meddling campaign from russia or another nation . Do you have any confidence at all this administration will do anything to stop it . I am very concerned about it. Because they really have the capabilities to do it. They have been doing all these things. And then i dont im assuming that the very crazy tweet that came yesterday about the fact that the man in buffalo was part of some conspiracy was something that ive heard comes from outside interference. It means that we have a president , at best gullible or complicit, in spreading some of the lies that are going on out there. And i do think we have to be very, very concerned. I think also we need to work more with the states in order to make sure that these kinds of things are not going to happen in the next election. I know we always say this is the most important election ever. This one actually is because it could be a watershed time. And i think we have to make sure that it is not interfered from from outside. It is our responsibility to make sure it doesnt happen. But i am worried. Madame secretary, speaking of germany or speaking of russia, you have the issue of germany where the president is now talking about defunding u. S. National security as far as it goes with one of our closest allies in germany. Speaking of russia, how big of a win is that for Vladimir Putin . How much does that play into putins hands . It plays totally into Vladimir Putins hands. By the way, one of the expression in communist theology is how to use a useful idiot. I dont have to go further in explaining that. And i do think that the way this was done, first of all, it was unilateral. There was apparently no consultation with any of our nato allies and also it was done because he was mad that Angela Merkel wasnt going to come to a g7 meeting that was going to be a photo op. And especially given the virus and the threats from that. So, it was totally useless, childish, counterproductive. All right. Former secretary of state, Madeleine Albright. My gosh, its so good to see you. And i look forward to moderating a very special conversation with you and Angelina Jolie later this month for your organization, the National Democratic institute, the ndi. The conversation will be about the work that you both have done internationally, focused on womens empowerment. We want to keep that conversation alive through all of this. So, thank you so much. I look forward to it. And thank you for saying yes quickly, which was fabulous, mika. It was a nobrainer. Great. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you all for everything youre doing. Thanks. Thanks. Up next, protests, a pandemic and a battered job market. Its been a tough few weeks for cities all over this country. Well talk to chicago mayor Lori Lightfoot, who is dealing with all that and the scourge of gun violence in her city. Morning joe is coming right back. How about no no uh uh, no way come on, no no nnnnono only discover has no annual fee on any card. 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That Liberty Mutual customizes your insurance, i just love hitting the open road and telling people so you only pay for what you need [squawks] only pay for what you need. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Three mayors and three Police Chiefs have launched a Police Reform and Racial Justice working group to devise recommendations on policing and to help and injustices facing black americans. The mayors of chicago, tampa and cincinnati are part of a group, along with the Police Chiefs of baltimore, phoenix and columbia, South Carolina. Joining us now, the mayor of chicago, who is helping to lead this new initiative, Lori Lightfoot joins us. Thank you for coming on this morning. Mayor lightfoot, greatly appreciate you being with us. I want you to if you can explain to our viewers how somebody like you, who has an extraordinarily difficult job in chicago, how do you balance reforming Police Methods and making sure that things that have happened in the past will never happen again, while also working to keep your cities safer. Chicago has long had a problem with shootings and, over the last weekend in may, 84 people were shot, 24 killed, akor rding to the university of chicago crime lab, most of the victims were black, including students, parents, middle aged workers, according to the chicago suntimes. So, i think for you, more than any mayor in america, because crime has been a problem in chicago for so long, you have to commit to this incredible balancing act. How do you do it and what can you teach other mayors in that process . Well, i think you hit the nail on the head. It is a balancing act. What weve done since i became mayor is that were looking holistically at the causes of violence. You cant just lead with the police department. Youve got to get people on the ground, in neighborhoods, engaged, involved and empowered and creating vibrant, healthy communities. So, weve done that for structure, investments in public housing, Mental Health and violence prevention. We are working on bridging the divide in health care disparities. A lot of what youre hearing manifest itself in the protests is the absence of, the absence of these kind of investments that really we know are the kind of things that can transform neighborhoods. At the same time, as you mentioned, violence, unfortunately fighting a pandemic, fighting covid19 as well as fighting the pandemic of gun violence, and also poverty and disinvestment. Reverend al is with us and has a question for you. Mayor lightfoot, first, condolences on death of dr. Con regard. As you work with these other two mayors dealing with Racial Disparity as well as the reality of fighting crime, you bring a particular kind of experience because you worked before you were mayor dealing with policing community issues. Out of those experiences and given this present climate as were dealing with this National Question around floyd, what can you tell us now that youre mayor that you can recommend to these that are working with you, the mayor of tampa and the mayor of cincinnati, that you learned by trying to deal with the Community Side of it before you were mayor . First, you have to listen and make sure that the community believes they are heard because they actually are heard. You have to make sure the policies you create actually reflect the lived experiences of people in neighborhoods, people who feel like theyve been mistreated by the police, that they havent had a seat at the table. And i think the other thing you have to do is make sure that you are unbelievably transparent in everything that youre doing. I think one of the things we have to do a better job of, not just in chicago but across the country, is talking about the specific things weve done. The three mayors and i have all had a lot of experience in Police Reform and accountability, but i think particularly the younger people that have taken to the streets dont have any knowledge of that because we havent been talking about it enough. Weve been doing the work but we havent been publicizing what weve done, what the milestones are, where weve succeeded and also where we failed. We have to pull back the curtain on that and be a heck of a lot more transparent, and were committed to doing that. Willie geist, its great to have you with us this morning. Your video is frozen but we can still hear you. We just dont have the shot up right now. But we can still hear you. I just want to follow up on what joe mentioned, the gun violence statistics where 85 people were shot, 24 killed in one 24hour period, 18 people were killed. Thats the equivalent of a mass shooting in your city. Obviously, the problem of gun violence, if you look at the statistics has gotten better over the last couple of years, but it had a long way to go, it was so bad. How do you explain to americans across the country who look at chicago and say, what is unique and different and so bad about the gun violence in chicago . Why is it that way . Well, part of it is we have way too many guns on our street. We are surrounded by states that you can go over the border and buy militarygrade weapons at any quantity, any price. Thats a huge problem. The interstate trafficking of guns. We have also a significant gang problem in certain neighborhoods in our city on the south and west side. Theyre shooting, killing each other. Theres no two ways about it. Thats why weve got to displace the illegal gun economy with real jobs, with a legitimate pipeline to legitimate parts of our economy and weve got to keep focused and working on that. If we give people hope, give them jobs and make sure they have quality education, well see this transformance. We know that because its happened in other neighborhoods, but unfortunately, there hasnt been enough historic investment in black and brown neighborhoods. But thats what were trying to do now. Were not going to erase decades of disinvestment in one year or two years, but we have to have commitment and focus and thats what were doing. Speaking of new investments, mayor lightfoot, do you believe its the right idea, as we look at Police Reforms, to redirect some of the money in your city towards social services, towards investment in those communities and, perhaps, away from Police Departments, not to defund, which is to stop the funding of Police Departments, but to redirect some of those monies to other areas . What i believe is what weve done, which is make sure we make a priority of these social services investments. Mental health, housing, health care, violence prevention, all these other things that we know are necessary to create healthy, vibrant communities. Weve got to do that in chicago and thats precisely what weve done. We had 1 billion budget deficit that i walked into office facing, but we didnt abandon our values. Thats the critical thing. We have to make sure we stay focused on building healthy, secure and safe neighborhoods. Its not an either or proposition. Its got to be both. Add to the challenges that youre talking about, obviously, the virus, the coronavirus and what is your message to protesters who want to send a message to leadership about the policies that they feel need to be changed, but also when you have people bunched together like this, there is i mean, theres no denying there is a Health Threat here, is there not . There absolutely is. I think some people probably thought i was a little bit ironic when i said, look, if youre out there, please wear a mask. Please try to social distance. What we advised the protesters is, you really need to selfquarantine for two weeks. Now, i dont know that people are doing that, but were going to keep consistently driving home that message because the very thing that got us to the ability to cautiously reopen is being socially distant and isolating ourselves and being very, very careful about the time were spending together. And yet we saw, of course, in protests, not just in chicago but all across the country, people not following that very real Public Health guidance. Covid19 is part of our present and its going to be part of our future and weve got to do everything we can to really stop the spread of this virus. And im very concerned about a second surge based upon what weve seen, the number of people gathering all across the country, but particularly here in chicago. We were worried about a second surge in the fall, but i fear were going to see a second surge by the end of june, beginning of july. Were prepared. Im worried. It will be really unfortunate if that happens. Chicago mayor Lori Lightfoot, so glad we were able to hear you. The picture froze, but we certainly got the message. Thank you so much for being on the show this morning. And up next, the impact of racism on the black community and how covid19 is making things worse. Harvard University Professor david Williams Joins us next. 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We dont believe that the memo has been rescinded but as theyre trying to send a message that the country is reopening and the pandemic is behind us, they stopped Wearing Masks. 14 states just recorded their sevenday highest average of infections. This pandemic is not gone despite how much the white house is trying to wish it away. Dr. Fauci saying yesterday in a very clear warning we are still at the beginning of this pandemic. Joining us now, professor of Public Health and africanamerican studies at harvard university, dr. David williams. And you are here to talk about the impact of racism on the health of black americans. Add to that this pandemic. Thats correct. So, if you could explain to us, first, the impact of racism on the Actual Health and then well fold in the new challenges with covid19. Thank you so much. Its good to be with you. Racism has negative effects in multiple ways on the health of the africanamerican population and other populations of color. Its also a global pattern we document. Ill talk about a mechanism most people can relate to, the stress of interpersonal relation. One of the most powerful ones is a simple scale called every day discrimination scale. It asks individuals who theyre treated with less courtesy and respect than others, in restaurant people in stores, act as if theyre afraid of them or think you are not smart. And that simple measure, people who score high on higher levels of Blood Pressure, have higher levels of inflammation, have higher levels of Clinical Development of heart disease. Pregnant women who report everyday discrimination give birth to lower weight infants, higher symptoms of anxiety and depression. So across a growing range of indicators of health, the interpersonal experience of discrimination adversely impacts health. In addition to that, some work ive done with other colleagues shows that every leads to worse Mental Health for the entire black population in the state which it occurs for the next three months. We are documenting Community Impact that lasts at least for three months of every police shooting. Wow. We have the reverend al sharpton with us. He has the next question. Doctor, im very intrigued by your study. Explain then what we can do as the next step. Obviously, we would like to eradicate all of the racism and things that cause anxiety, Blood Pressure and all. But absent an immediate removal as we fight for that, what do we recommend africanamericans do, recognize that these are these maladies come from these things and try to treat them . Whats the recommendation we do in the interim to make a just society . Ill tell you what the evidence suggests. Theres actually evidence that suggests that fighting racism, that engaging in protests, that taking actions to support the rights and wellbeing of your community actually leads to improved health. In addition to that, we have research that shows for stress in general and stress of discrimination as well that higher levels of religious engagement is a powerful force that reduces the negative effects of the discrimination health. In addition to that, higher levels of social support from friends, from family, from other relatives also reduces the negative effect. But i think that i agree with you. The biggest thing to work on is to reduce the occurrence of these experiences in the first place, and that requires creating a whole new culture of dignity, of equality, of opportunity for all. Dr. Williams, its willie geist. How do you quantify this specific type of anxiety and stress and medical condition effectively what youre describing, something that takes such a toll in racism that it has medical consequences . How do you measure that exactly . Sure. I think we measure that with standard measures. So some of the things i have described is based on drawing a blood sample and measuring the blood and looking at the amount of inflammation in the blood. We have measured Mental Health disorders. We have measured Blood Pressure. So these are based on not self reports of individuals. The Mental Health measures are. But the physical Health Measures are based on studies where we actually measured medical outcomes with the traditional measures that we use in epidemiologic studies. The important point to remember, though, is not just the stress of discrimination. Its the racism thats embedded in the policies and procedures, one that i have studied as residential segregation, which determines where you live, and that determines all the opportunities to be healthy. One National Study in the United States, i didnt do it. One of my colleagues at harvard did it, that you can statistically eliminate black, white differences in income, in education and in unemployment and reduce black white differences and single motherhoods. All of those differences are linked to opportunity, linked to place. Professor of Public Health and africanamerican studies at harvard university, dr. David williams, thank you very much. His recent piece for the Washington Post is entitled stress was already killing black americans. Covid19 is making it worse. And we end, reverend dell, on that note. Ill give you the final thoughts. In light of this historic funeral for george floyd in houston and the president s very cruel tweets, seemingly supporting Police Brutality. These challenges, all amidst the probable resurgence of covid19. Yes. We must continue to resist but we need to do it where we respect and regard social distancing so we do not cause a problem while we solve another, and ive learned that its healthy to protest as long as you do it right. That does it for thus morning. Stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage right now. Hi there, im stephanie ruhle. It is tuesday, june 10th. Here is whats happening. This morning, george floyd has been laid to rest but the movement sparked by his death goes on. In houston, texas, floyds family urged the country to stand united against racism and keep pushing for justice. New signs that change is coming to our country. In state after state, lawmakers