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Second. Shes here. But mika had a horrible night last night. I was sitting in front of my tv set like a 5yearold. He loves it. We are reviewing puffington katty, the bbc really needs you. Its a little slow. Oh my god. It appears they took this history making story and just i dont know, killed it. I was watching and i dont know whats wrong with me, it litter it was like the greatest thing ever. No. I turned to the bbc and i just sat mikas like what are you doing . Its like the first tv that ever existed. Well, lets go right now to it was wonderful. You know what difficult position youre putting me in right now . How awkward are you making my morning. Lets talk about this. Okay. Its first of all history, nothing like this since 87. The worst dominice drubing sinc you couldnt help but watch those returns come in, especially in the labor north, the red wall, red over there of course labor, that red wall in the midlands up north. A party that darted way too far left and going conservative for the first time, well, in manchester the first time ever. And a lot of seats First Time Since world war i. It was its like you wore looking at, you know, where steel mills used to be in pennsylvania. So, look, colossal defeat for the labor party. Some lessons to be learned here but some that are particular to that election in the uk. Jeremy corbyn moouhugely unpopu. He had likability ratings of minus 44. I dont know how thats possible. Doorstep after doorstep are hearing we cannot elect this party with Jeremy Corbyn we just dont like him. The antisemitism charges that he never really managed to dispel didnt help him at all. Brexit overshadowed this election and made it unique, made it different. So when we start to look at parallels between what happened in the uk and what might happen in the Democratic Party here in the u. S. , it is worth putting this in the context of brexit. The people who voted all their lives for labor and switched last night to the conservative party, many of them did so because of the conservative partys position on the European Union and because they wanted to get out of the European Union and they voted to leave the European Union. Thats that isnt a factor here. But theres something in politics in the uk and u. S. And perhaps globally. How traditional left wing parties lost the right to be the champions of workingclass men and women . Its unbelievable. Is this now an election, an electoral period in which its parties on the right, parties that are more nationalist, more keen to put up restrictions on immigration, for example, that can now claim the mantel of supporting work class men and sfwhen that women . Thats the bigger shift that were in. This was retweeted last night, alan johnson is going after some of corbyns people and he looks apple at him like now why dont you go back to your student politics and little left wing affairs. That is the attitude of workingclass, proworking labor people who believe that, like Many Democrats, believe their party has been taken over by the twitter mob. That does not reflect workingclass people. That certainly was the takeaway last night. Well get to all of that and much more. So we certainly are going to be talking to katty more on south and north. Exactly. I was i was just going to say, you were there. I ran the euro of the economist once in my life. Yes. Also for the new york times, peter baker and cofounder and ceo of axios, jim vandehei joins us. Lets bring in nbc News White House correspondent gef benneof bennett and talk about what happened in the United States. Why did jerry nadler recess last night . What happened . Heres the deal, mika. Democrats say that republicans told them that they intended to wrap things up last night by 5 00 p. M. But what happened was during the hearing, and you saw this, democrats made mention of the fact that republicans wanted to go to that planned White House Christmas reception that started at 7 00 p. M. And so as a little bit of retribution, republicans offered a bunch of aemmendments and jamd up the process. So when it became clear that this panel was poised to vote on these articles of impeachment at midnight, potentially even 1 00 a. M. , nadler tabled it and made the point that this is too important of a thing to have this vote in the dead of night. So he recessed and called a voice vote that will set up this Committee Vote on the two articles of impeachment at 10 00 a. M. So what do we expect today, jeff . So we expect that this committee will vote these articles of impeachment from the committee to the house floor. It will be a 2317 split. It would normally be a 2417 split but youve got congressman ted li ted lieu. On tuesday you have the house set to vote on the funding measure. Wednesday theyll vote on impeachment and thursday nafta 2. 0. Thats done by design. House speaker and leadership wanted policy to be the last thing that this congress does at the end of the year, not impeachment. All right. Thank you so much, geoff, we grately apprecia greatly appreciate it. Peter baker, personal plus fhue action b humiliation, political benefit. This is a personal we saw it yesterday with over a hundred tweets there is something thats really, really upsetting him on a personal level, despite his protests otherwise. Yeah. Thats exactly right. Of course, look, he can count on the senate, Republicancontrolled Senate to cold trial where he seems almost certain to be acquitted or at least have the charges dismissed in some fash shion. Mcconnell is talking about a trial that would end, you need a twothirds vote for conviction. But that doesnt mean he wont have the sting of the historical marker. It may be a partyline vote but it will be an impeachment. That will be part of his obituary, historical leg gase so inhis leg acy. Hes in a better place, hes excited republicans are finally defending him in the way he wants them to defend him like you saw yesterday through 14 hours of meetings. They werent saying, well, he did wrong but its not impeachable. What they were saying was he didnt do anything wrong, thats the kind of defense he wants. He didnt like the sort of equivocation he heard from some of the republicans early on. He kind of goes back and forth at this point. Youre right about the twitter. Look at what happened yesterday. 123 tweets. 123 tweets. That was hor than in one day. Who does that . More in one day than he had any full week in 2017. Hes already now at a weekly record and we have two more days to go as president. So, you know, hes clearly taking out his energy through tweets and so most of which are retweets of things that republicans are saying defending him. I think, again, likes the idea he has supporters and allies that will have his back, something he didnt feel like he had in september. 123 tweets in one day. Wow, youre president of the United States, which is a pretty busy job, think. Not for all of them. Less for him than for others. John, lets go with what we all know is going to happen, thats the house next week, assuming the vote takes place next week, will impeach the president of the United States and look at whats going to happen on the hill in the senate. If you are any doubt, and i dont think you do, that the democrats will vote to impeach the president. But sean hannity said there will be no difference between the president s position and our position in how to handle this. So theyre coordinating with the white house to ensure they get the vote theyre going to get. This is going to go and play out just the way most people thought it would. I think its right and proper for all of us to say lets let it play out and not be too firm and predictive. But the betting odds are that the president is going to get acquit. Theres drama around the question of will it leave these republicans in vulnerable seats, mcsallys and gardeners but they need 20 of them. Theres some drama around the question of because those seats matter so much, what will those republicans do . So we care about those outcomes because we care about controflt senate and those are important political decisions. I can tell you those senators are really weighing things with a fine grain they cant afford to have the same take as those house republicans. Or as the president. Or as the president. Cory gardner cant do it. Martha mcsally. Certainly Susan Collins cant do it. Even thom tillis has to be careful. Those are the wounds. And those are the ones who you think might vote against the president , theyre at the top of the list along with maybe mitt romney who might vote that way on principle. I watched a lot of the proceedings yesterday including late last night before the semi quasi weird procedural dramaing of them going at it over process. The last thing i heard yesterday before the network threw to impeachment coverage was you talking about your view that maybe it was a mistake to have only two articles of impeachment and to be so focused, democrats, focused on trying to do this quickly and trying to have these two kind of omnibus articles. And as the day played out yesterday, your comments which werent very specific thats why i wanted to ask you about them were ringing in my ear. Because republicans yesterday over the course of the day felt, i think, like the reason as peter baker said, the republicans the president s happy because the republicans are defending him on substance. The reason theyre defending him on substance was not that he didnt do anything wrong. But what they were able to seize on was democrats, if you thought you had a chargeable crime, you would have charged the president. You have included articles of impeachment on specific things like bribery, so on, so forth. Instead, abuse of power maybe an impeachable off but its not a crime. But im trying to ask you whether you think by doing with these omnibus articles in a way that kind of threw everything in and kind of general sense, whether the democrats might have made a political mistake and given republicans a stronger argument, or whether having enumerated four, five, six, seven, eight, would have been better for the democrats. Why . I think you have to be nimble and its hard to be nimble when youre hurting that many cats. Speaker of the house, Nancy Pelosis first concern has to be those moderate democrats that are in virginia, in california, all the people all the democrats that won republican seats by 1,000, 2,000, 4,000 votes. So i understand that. Yeah. But, as we move through this process and the republicans and the house acted in such an abhorrent way, its going to damage them in the long run, they were much better off to say, yes drer it b, he did it at a crime. This is why were not removing him. Theyre not doing that. Now some republicans cynically saying youre rushing this. Its just my nature to say, okay, im rushing this . You know what were going to do . Were stlopping the train. Lets stop the train. Hold on a second, oh, you dont have a crime . Oh, you mean like when the president s fixer and the president talked about illegally giving a hush payment to a porn star a couple of weeks before april election that wouan election that would havend lad any of you youre right. You know what were going to do . Were going to add that because thats a crime and that really upsets you that we have enumerated a specific crime that would have sent any of to us jail if we had done it in our house races, were going to do add that. You know what . The Russian Foreign minister was in the white house again. That reminds us, we have the president on record obstructing justice telling the and i would play it out. It would be chinese water torture over weeks and months. And donald trump, you know what id do . Id be like, george h. W. Bush in the 88 campaign against michael d were going to have stormds wy k daniels week. Going to bring Stormy Daniels in. Going to bring cohen out of jail. Youre in jail because you did what . Youre in jail because you helped the president in a conspiracy to violate a federal election law that would have landed him in jail. Oh, okay. So in is Stormy Daniels week. You know what next week is . Next week is Sergey Lavrov week. And i would just do it week after week after week. Now, i understand there would be some democrats oh, we cant do that. I understand that. But ill tell you what, not only would that be best for history, i think politically it would be best, call the republicans bluff. You know, if Donald Trumps selling out an american ally and selling out American National security is not enough for them, you know, then lets lets in the immortal words of w. D. Childers from the Redneck Riviera state senator, lets put the wheat where the goats can eat it. Thats the thing that drove me crazy about bill clintons impeachment. We are sitting there, he committed perjury, monica lewinsky, but there were so many other things that, you know, were more troubling than that. But, anyway, so, yeah, i would i would call the republicans bluff. I would drag this out. I would add i mean, hes committed crimes. Lets add it. The emoluments clause, id add it. Constitutionally, its in the u. S. Constitution, they should add it. I understand theyre doing it for brevity, get it through there to keep it as simple as possible, that hasnt worked. The republicans bad faith has reached new levels. But of course, jim vandehei, that wont happen because nancy pelosi wants to get this done and she is rightly concerned about her moderate democrats. Yeah, and think her calculation is that if she did what youre telling her to do, that you would still have the exact same outcome. That there arent any republicans that are persuadable. I think thats been the lesson of this presidency. You and peter had a little debate earlier about whether impeachment helps or hurts trump. The truth is, nothing really makes a difference. Hes kind of been locked at 42 regardless of news, regardless of developments now three years running. And i know the white house is out there, they did a briefing for reporters yesterday saying impeachment is awesome for them, theyre raising lots of money, its stirring republican enthusiasm. But the truth is, republican enthusiasm is kind of where it was before. Everythings been locked in. And what theyre trying to do is theyre saying, listen, we look at what happened over in britain and we think there is a path to victory. And that path is, were going to go to those little counties, those places that people arent paying attention to. Were going to the voters who arent really republicans, theyre more trumpers who sat out 2018. Were going to get them hopped and you target them on facebook and try to win a narrow victory because theyre looking at that wisconsin poll that youve been talking about on msnbc in the last hour that shows that bidens the only person leading donald trump in wisconsin, which is probably the most important swing state in politics right now. And theyre going to try to, like, do what theyre doing to be able to squeeze out a victory. And the hearing yesterday, like, god, the sad thing is, you listen to what republicans were talking about and theyre saying, listen, if biden wins we now have enough to impeach him. You hear republicans saying that. So now impeachment is like Government Shutdown. Its Like Supreme Court fights. We take these things that almost never happened and now were like, oh, just another tool in the weaponry of political warfare. And thats what republicans are saying they would do to biden. So its just another sort of another bad precedent for politics. Lets go around quickly. Willie im curious what you think. Do you think republicans or democrats should expand it or does it seem to make more sense for them to keep it tight . I think nancy pelosi thinks shes got what shes got, shes got an air tight case on the question of ukraine and shes worried about dragging it out longer. She has watched the polls that have showed its basically frozen in this country about impeachment. 50 50, maybe ticking a little under that for democrats on the question of impeachment. I think she thinks the more this drags on, perhaps, the more the country begins to tune out and roll its eyes a little bit at the process. She wants a vote and move on. Peter baker, what do you think . What do democrats think . I think willie has it right. Theyre trying to be strategic about this. All these things didnt stick over the last two or three years and they decided to not relitigate the mueller case, not relitigate russia, not get into the hoax versus witchhunt versus whatever thing, the emoluments and all that. To your point, joe, whats striking about it is this is of all the things that weve seen in these three years a narrow case. Its about one specific episode, not just a phone call, it was more than just one foppe calpho there was a series of events that many people think this president has done twrowrong an cross lines that hadnt been crossed. Theres the sense that if youre going to impeach him for historys sake, what are you telling history was wrong about this presidency . I think in many critics view is not just this one episode, its a broader case to be made. I think strategically the democrats decided its a loser, take what youve got, go ahead and push it, youre not going to win the trial anyway as jim said, so get what youve got. John heilemann, you do have crimes. Fascinating they didnt attach the crimes. I agree. Think nancy pelosi is in better touch with the specific politics of the specific members whose seats in jeopardy, will be in jeopardy next year, most hard fought, the ones she needs to keep if shes going tro taint speakership. I think she knows the politics of those districts better than the members her selves. I defer to her judge meament an the voters in those districts saw this thing dragging out in 2020 and strengthening the republicans hands. On the other argument, now its january or february, why are you trying we have an election in november, why are you taking this choice away from the American People . But i will say after feeling as though throughout this process nancy pelosi, adam schiff, as long as things in schiffs committee and pelosi and schiff were driving things, that democrats had the whip hand on this politically. Think when its shifted to the Judiciary Committee over the last few days, you can he soot difference and see why nancy pelosi, i want to attack jerry nadler, but you can see why nancy pelosi put this all in schiffs hands. Because the Judiciary Committee has been a much less disciplined, much more unrule environment unruly environment and you can see where the democrats are losing control of this over the last week. I worry when you let crimes go, you normalize them. You normalize them not only for this president but future president s as well. Lets go to keir simmons. Hes outside 10 downing right now. The worse labor drubing since 87, possibly 83, and it was shocking watching the map last night across that red wall that labor had built through the midlands and the north for, by the way, for a hundred years. Over the past century, we arent talking about since thatcher. Over the past hundred years. And you have conservatives winning in the midlands and the north which, again, for people following british politics, just a shock development. What a loss for Jeremy Corbyn and labor. Yeah, absolutely stunning. Absolutely seismic, joe. Let me show you the front page of the daily mail here. The front page there, rejoice quoting Margaret Thatcher, because, as you say, you have to go back to the 1980s for an example of this kind of a political earthquake. Boris johnson, the Prime Minister, were waiting for him to come back to 10 daunting street having to see the queen, she to ask him to form a government and what a government he is going to lead. You have to think about thatcher, think about blair to understand how much Boris Johnson will now be in charge of the Political Landscape here in britain. And what youre talking about is right, because it is a completely changed landscape. What youve seen is workingclass british people in those former Industrial Areas of the midlands and the north of england turning away from the labor party, from the left. I heard what katty kay had to say earlier, all of the caveats, you have to be careful about lessons for the democrats in the u. S. But ive got to say, watching this, Many Democrats should be scared to death because what you saw here was a populous leader taking those left people who have been committed to the left for decades and bringing them on board with him and now will be able to push through brexit. And another interesting point on that. What you saw with the labor party, joe, was a kind of young twitter atmosphere believing that they had ability to push Boris Johnson out of office. And one left wing commentator this morning saying let us never forget that twitter does not represent the country. There are lessons for democrats to whats happened here. Youve got to remember back in 2016 britain voted for brexit and some months later a populous leader donald trump won the president cyst United States. A lot of people this morning on the bbc were talking about twitter and young labor voters talking to themselves, convincing themselves in this bubble that they had created that not only were they right, but they were, you know, they were going to win. Jonathan wrote this last night. The British Election results were a test of widely articulated political theory that holds that corbyns populous left wing platform is necessary and sufficient in order to defeat Rising National the Rising Nationalist right. Corbyns crushing defeat is a decisive refewtation. And they offered a twoorng american democrats saying you all had been saying he had quotes over the past several years that democrats need to follow the core of an example because that would lead democrats to the Promised Land in the United States. As jonathan said, not so fast. Andrew sullivan also saying, democrats have to get real really quickly or else theyre going to reelect donald trump. He said one lesson from the uk, if democrats dont stop their hard left slide theyre suffer the same fate as labor. If they dont move off their support for mass immigration, they are toast. Left twitter is not reality. Keir, let me ask you how much of this was about Jeremy Corbyn himself, how much of this was about brexit . Jeremy corbyn put forth radical proposals to nationalize industry, big taxes on the rich. Familiar themes from candidates here. And of course antisemitism. How much of this was a rejection of labor but of the man at the top of labor . I think theres no question that it was a rejection of Jeremy Corbyn. Another kind of interesting note there, there youve got a socialist in his 70s he was leading the labor party and he failed catastrophically, the worst defeat in the post war era. So theres no question of that. It was also clearly about brexit. Both of those things. But in scotland, people voted for scottish nationalists, not for Jeremy Corbyn there either and that was not a vote for brexit. Again, just a final point, joe, there are some very concerning storm clouds on the horizon. Will scotland try to push now to separate from the United Kingdom . You know, this is a huge change for britain. I think its going to be seen as a huge change for europe as britain under Boris Johnson tries to shift more towards america and, as youve seen on twitter, donald trump already reaching out again to talk about a trade deal with the uk. New, Stronger Economic ties between the uk and america. Historians, i think, will see this as kind of a between europe and america with britain in the middle and this vote, the british electorate has very much sided with america in many ways. Keir, there are going to be times when the British Government now has to choose between keeping washington happy and keeping europe happy when its negotiating those trade deals, because theyre not always in sync. Heres a question for you. Boris johnson has won over a whole load of traditionally labor party voters. Does he have to keep them happy with policies that extend beyond brexit . Will a conservative party now have to become the party of working men and women . In a way the question is the same about donald trump. Does donald trump actually is to deliver on the promise of reviving manufacturing in the United States, for example . Its such a great question, katty. I think, you know, what youve already seen is the Prime Minister come out this morning and talk about doing how humble he is that labor voters in the north and midlands voted for the conservatives. He has very much talked about trying to do things for those parts of britain, those parts of britain that that field left behind. And what youre going to sear conservative Party Politicians in the house of commons, lawmakers who dont many of them dont look like the kinds of conservatives that youve seen in the past. They were very much from the south of england, many from the southeast and from london. Theres going to be a whole sway of conservatives representing traditionally labor labor constituentsies acro constituencies across the north. This election is going to change the conservative party, i think. All right. Thank you so much, keir simmons. We appreciate you being with us. You know, katty, one the reasons people are watching, we havent talked about Boris Johnson quite as much as Jeremy Corbyn in part because this isnt a thatcher landslide. This isnt like a reagan 1980 landslide or an obama landslide where its not so much about who won the race as it is who lost the race. All the commentary talking about Jeremy Corbyn and, you know, they get on the doorstep and corbyn was a problem when they were knocking on doors. Boris is not not extraordinarily popular in britain. This really was more of a stinging defeat for Jeremy Corbyn than it was some sort of mandate for Boris Johnson. But, i mean, johnson has a mandate to govern. But it seemed based on everything at least ive heard, it was more of an anticorbyn than pro johnson vote. Yeah, youre quite right. Boris johnson, there are question marks about Boris Johnson about whether hes trustworthy . Does he lie on the trump . Do people like him . Hes seen as unpredictable and he kept a pretty low profile by Boris Johnson standards during the course of this election campaign. But they really couldnt stomach Jeremy Corbyn. And they didnt believe that Jeremy Corbyn was a viable leader for the labor party. So it was much about the labor party. Britain is split 50 50. This was the conservative partys election to lose. If the labor party had had a leader who was more acceptable to more people in the United Kingdom, then labor may well have won last night. They would have take then. Because Boris Johnson is unpopular because the brexit issue splits the country 50 50. But corbyn just wasnt the right leader for the labor party and for brai for britain. They had no clear policy on brexit. And corbyn refused to answer how he would vote if there were another referendum. You dont win elections that way, especially on the key issue of the day. We will continue to discuss the implications of all of this. Also still ahead on morning joe, jim vandehei mentioned that new polling from wisconsin which shows how the leading democrats stack up against President Trump head to head. Well run through those numbers straight ahead. And a bit of surprise number out of South Carolina among the democrats. Morning joe is back in a moment. Democrats. 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Go to xfinity. Com moving to get started. I mean, this this reminds me historically of the trial of socrates. He got convicted by the jury of 501 people. Why . Because he was arrogant. You want to try donald trump for being arrogant . Im sure youd have a lot of republicans vote with you on that. Yeah, hes arrogant. Hes got a lot to be arrogant about. But, that is not a crime, it is not a high crime for sure, and its certainly not a misdemeanor. Its bothersome to people, some people like it. But thats not what impeachment is supposed to be about. And to have had a trial, what few hearsay gossip mongering witnesses there were, come into a star chamber and see crete their testimony so people cant see them, cant hear them, but we have adam schiff put it together in a big report and we received the report, dont have much time to review it, but thats all we need. We dont even get to hear from the preparer of the report and get to crossexamine him. This is a stalinesque type proceeding . What is impeachment about if its not about i dont know. Crimes, especially that impact our countrys national sure the. Stahl linesque. I like that the refers to the trial of socrates, though. Id like to have louie go right a book on i appreciate louie talking at a right where we southerners can keep up with him. I didnt look at instead of doug collins, you know. Well, judge, sherman march to the sea but i dont know. Ill tell you one thing, theres this i really like and theres they sell they sell hub caps just the way the democrats sell the impeachment. Youve got stop. Joining us now, the president of the council on Foreign Relations have you ever been to athens . Have i ever been to athens . One of my favorite places. Athens, georgia. Richard haass is here. Beautiful, beautiful town. Great music, great food. My favorite place for a road game in the sec. Athens is such a special, special place. You know what else say special place . I know where youre going. Wrmhere am i going. The dud on a saturday night. What was your record last year . We dont need to talk about that. Were going to be better next year. We havent talked about the big news. The really big news that, willie, only you and i will know about. Ole miss. The league just got a lot more fun, didnt it . Its about to get real in oxford, baby. Lane kiffen. I make no apologies for his football coach because i love him. If he had had not fired him, he would get fired a lot. If they would have not fired him right before the National Championship game a kcouple yeas ago all the fans came out and asked him about it and he said it was better than the last experience i had on a tarmac where he was fired. They came out and fired him. Oh my god. You dont want to talk about sec football anymore . Anybody . What do you want to talk about vasser football . What do you want to talk about . Ouch. You get up on the wrong side of the bed this morning . No, but if you cant get into a layne kiffen conversation, what are you doing on morning joe . We have the rest of the show. So anyway, if you look at the sec championship game go ahead, mika. Im going to clean my purse. Who are we bringing in right now. Alex, will you take control of this. Weve got Richard Haass. What a plant over here, joe. What more do you need . I like that but not richard, we got to talk really quickly about britain. Obviously you were you were just telling us you were over in britain back when labor was chasing communists. Looks like not chasing them, trading with them. Yeah. Looks like they they paid for that again last night. Once a generation where labor goes so far left. It was interesting. This wasnt a vote about brexit. People are just sick of it. They wanted it done and i think the tories were effectively championing, just get it. So it was a vote against corbyn. But the outium was mo come was sided than people thought. You still will have a very compensated detail on the brexit between the British Government and the eu, not clear how it turns out. And i think the country is still in doubt. Scottish National Vote is overwhelmingly pro depends. Its possible that youll not only have brexit, but youll have the unraveling the United Kingdom. But, katty, the pick thats been so frustrating has been the indecision. Even looking loving Great Britain as i do, looking from afar at the indecision where youre just like to do something. Make it stay, leave, i dont really care, do something. Start planning for your future and that actually is what happened last night. And theres a good reason why the pound skyrocketed after those exit polls came out because a lot of people are saying, hey, wait a second, britains finally going to move forward in a direction. Yeah, i spoke to several people who voted remain back in 2016 were adamantly in favor of staying in the European Union and then after three years voted for Boris Johnson last night because they said were done, were sick, were exhausted, were tired, we have to get out of this nightmare we keep going through. So they switched. After three years theyd had enough and wanted to get out. They recognized what this has done to their reputation. Were the reliable ally that america has in europe, and we started to look incompetent. Our politics has been kind of joke for the last year or so. And people were fed up with that too. They want brand britain to be restored and they hope that by electing Boris Johnson and getting something done and getting on with brexit they can start moving forward. You are, of course, watching good morning liverpool. Exact. I pierce morgan coming up. Also a special report in the field on where are the spice girls today . Were going to be talking about. We are about 17 minutes before noon in london. Ready for the huffington bureau. There are some things going on in the states. John heilemann wanted to say something. Were going to give you the last opportunity. My question was to ask richard this. This morning from all around the world weve heard people say its settled, brexit is now going to happen. Like with this kind of center that at least on my understanding of things it sems set thald britain has decided its going to try to do brexit. But you made a comment about the details. It seemed to be right now not at all clear that this deal say hard deal to get done. Its not like suddenly brexit is now going to happen automatically. Its not clear the timeline and its not clear the details. The real question is to what extent does britain try to preserve a relationship with europe that allows them access to the Common Market . But they want all the benefits of access without agreeing to the regulatory structure. Thats a cake and eat it position, theyre not going to get it. I still think a hard brexit is a real possibility. I would just say whats tragic about this and if i were in britt ann britain it would drive me nuts. Theres a breaking of the relationship between the country and europe. Its a big decision but it was never voted on directly a second time. It was all done through the prism of this election. And the election was about the National Health service, about Jeremy Corbyns antisemitism, his communist leanings. So the people have made a decision that will have implications for the permanent future, but they never vote tond straig voted on it straight up. Much, much more on that after our spice girls. Im sure well talk about it over the course of the day because we started to raise some of the questions of parallels between britain and the United States. As we proceed into that discussion, i do think its fascinating when you hear about the way in which this was a rejection of corbyn, the notion that this election was a referendum on someone who is not the party in power say weird reflecti reflecks of the fact that corbyn had been in the British National election. Hes a familiar face. He wasnt the income bent, but its possible in a way for that to be true, that the out of power party could be rejected in a way thats not possible here and so some of the parallels think the people are going to say, well, the democrats better be careful because you could end up with warner sanders, that could be the same thing. I think theres ways in which this analogy could be stretched too far. I disagree with you. I think actually joe biden has a much better chance of winning wisconsin. I think than Elizabeth Warren. Michigan than Elizabeth Warren. Pennsylvania than Elizabeth Warren. Thats the election. Im not saying thats not true. Im just saying the notion that theres an easy thats like Jeremy Corbyn equals Elizabeth Warren and sanders is way too simplistic. Thats what im saying. Jeremy corbyn is antisemitic, has not apologized for the statements and even conservatives were saying hey, whoa, whoa, wait a second. Theres not a Jeremy Corbyn in american politics. Hes far more toxic than any democratic candidate. In those high unfavorable categories, he had been around. He was an old shoe in british politics by the time that last night came, not like Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders did in any respect on those zblonts so we move from good morning liverpool to oshkosh and we want to go to jim vandehei who knows the area very well. Want to show you a poll that came out people are talking about right now. Its head to head matchups between donald trump and the democrats. And weve been seeing wide gaps, nine points, eight points. This market poll, a pretty poll shows everybody deadlocked except biden. Biden is the only one that squeaks out a victory on donald trump. Its all very close. As i was watching the returns last night in the midlands and the northern part of britain, i was thinking about wisconsin, i was thinking about michigan, i was thinking about pennsylvania. Because those areas in the midlands and the north of england were areas nobody ever thought conservatives would win again. You talk five years ago that any republican, any political person they would say, no, republicans arent going to win wisconsin, michigan, and pennsylvania. Thats all changed. It has. Listen, if donald trump is to win reelection, and think its still hard, right, because his favorable ratings are so routinely in the low 40s. But if hes to win, its going to be because of what youve seen over the last week. Hes able to looks like well get a nafta deal. He has the sort of make believe but tiny china deal. You have recordlow unemployment. Youre going to end up with the stock market getting a big boost probably today because of the news in china. So end the year with a really high stock market and s p that performed at 25 growth this year. And then hes going to run that ad that hes been running recently that says, you know what . You might not like me, a lot of people dont like me. You might not like my style, you might think im a jerk, but do you like the results . And do you like the results compared to whoever hes running against. If he wins thats how hes going to win. The way they look at it, they look at that time the way you do. Theyre looking at wisconsin, minnesota, pennsylvania, michigan, any place with a high population of white voters, workingclass white voters that they think they can persuade when its a choice election. Him versus somebody. Theyre praying it is Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren because they think you could have a repeat of what happened over in britain. They think its a better matchup. Look at all the swing state polls. Joe biden does do better, has routinely done better six months running. So they probably continue to fear him the most and probably should fear him the most, at least on the known knowns today. Peter bake, he for you look at the wisconsin number thats about how President Trump won the state of wisconsin in 2016. He won with 47 of the vote. He won by Something Like 22,000 votes over Hillary Clinton, barely squeaking out a victory. The state now is as tight as it was on election day in 2016 really with all of those candidates. And as jim says, its a reflection of where the focus is of the white house, that the president is already going into places like hershey, pennsylvania, holding rally after rally in those small handful of states that handed him the election three years ago. Yeah. Im struck by how the polls show not just in wisconsin, but across the board how people have not moved very much in the three years since President Trump first won his election. If you look at the polls, for ib stance, on impeachment, you see Something Like 49 for, 47 against, Something Like that. Its a very polarized country right down the middle are the antitrump force dollars has ha over the pro trump forces. If you look at the split on impeachment, thats identical to what the popular vote was three years ago that trump lost but managed to win through the electoral college. Americans have not changed their minds about donald trump in a substantial way according to the polls. Well see what happens over the next 11 months whether something changes that. It does not look like impeachment as an overall narrative has changed peoples views of this presidency. But, you know, what democrats are counting on is that there will be a fatigue factor at some point and whoever is be tired o circus, tired of the conflict, tired of the constant, you know, outrages and so forth. We havent seen it yet. Well see what happens obviously over the next ten months, 11 months. And we mentioned the poll out of South Carolina. Lets take a look at that right now. 2020 democratic nomination for South Carolina, joe biden at the top there. Bernie sanders, Elizabeth Warren at 19 . Pete buttigieg at 9 . Yeah. Theres tom steyer and then cory booker at the bottom. Is it tighter . Yes, it is. Joe biden you would think would rule there, no . Well, he has. But john heilemann, at least in this poll, another very good poll, getting tighter in South Carolina. Yes. You know, you look at Bernie Sanders right there and Elizabeth Warren both very close to each other there in that effective tie for second place. Those two candidates have, you know, biden has been so far ahead in South Carolina for so long, the fact that there are now a couple of candidates and at this moment theyre still seven, eight points behind biden. But as we get closer and closer to South Carolina, thats a closeable gap and suggests that they might be starting to make end roads in the nonwhite vote down there. Peter baker, i ask you, theres been not to pivot too much off of this britain thing, but theres no doubt that theres been a sea change over the course of the last three months in the Democratic Party, concerns about electability, concerns about moving too far to the left. Elizabeth warren who has run easily over the course of the year the best campaign and was the front runner this race i maintain in october, has lost some altitude but shes still very much in the fight. So where do you think things stand in terms of the ideological fight that is playing out, is going to i think get more intense over the course of the next month and a half as we start to get into those early february states in the democratic race . Yeah think there youre right. I think the energy that you seen two or three months ago on the left, the idea it was time for something dramatic, time to almost r almost revolutionary in the party, the who can win argument, youre right. We talk about what this election is going to be about. Its going to be about this three, four, five states if the comes down to this small part of the america because the rest of the country is locked in. And that argument in the Democratic Party is whos going to sell better in wisconsin and pennsylvania . Vice President Biden does better in those polls, but the question is whether hes still at his peak. Weve seen him on the campaign trail at moments that seem less than ideal. Its not the normal biden gaps, its is he really fully in command of the stage at this point . Is he is he going to continue to be able to dominate a race where there are many choices at this point . Where does Mike Bloomberg come in at this point . Hes spending an awful lot of money. Hes the alternative if biden fails for that moderate centrist democratic vote. But its a fluid moment and were about to start coming to voting pretty soon and thats when well stop speculating and start getting actual results. Let me ask you, richard, im curious. Theres been some talk Elizabeth Warrens been talking about getting rid of the electoral college, its not going to happen, but i do wonder as we talk about three states and the future of our republic resting on how a subset of voters in three or four states vote. Its its hard to not overlook the fact that the democrats have won the popular vote in 96, in 2000, in 2008, in 2012, in 2016 only bush in 2004 won the popular vote, and you get that picture from the 92 convention of bill clinton, al gore, Hillary Clinton, and tipper gore. And three of those four people on stage won the popular vote in the United States of america. Three of those four. How many got and only one got to be president. And im just curious, passing no judgment on our constitution whatsoever, i love our constitution, but im wondering if people around the world ask you when you travel around the world, okay, wait, wait, whats going on . How does this work. Democrats keep winning. Theyre going to win the popular vote this time too. But you really worry about a subset of voters around milwaukee and pennsylvania and detroit, theyre going to just in those three metro areas theyre going to determine who the next president of the United States is . Yeah. Im just back from the middle east two weeks before i was in china. People are so baffled by the United States. Youre right, theres that. Which is ironic because one of our big things historically is we push constitutions on others. We encourage others to adopt constitutions. Obviously the devils in the details. People forget that ours was written at a time when our population was one 100th the current size. Country was geographically much more contained. We have not adapted as we have evolved as a country, as a society. But theres lots of other things that other the example of american politics, the example of our economy after 2007 and 80, theres not a lot eight, theres not a lot of people that get up in the world and say i want to be just like them. Thats what i do with heilman. All right. Richard haass stays with us. No one would design it by now if we were designing it from scratch. Peter baker and jim vandehei, thank you both. We really appreciate you being on. 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Bidens actions in ukraine certainly look like they crossed that line. I didnt know biden was involved with crime with crowdstrike, i didnt know he was involved with the dnc server being hacked. I didnt know that was all part of his thing. But thats what the president s asking about because there have been informationing that there was some people in ukraine that knew something about that. And thats what hes asking about. So, i appreciate the revelation from our friends across the aisle, biden was in the middle of all that. And so i guess you have one of your wealthy people, the server they say ukraine has it, again, i didnt know biden was all in up to his ear balls eyeballs in that. What . He was talking about britain. But did louie bring up crowdstrike . Brought up the Conspiracy Theory around crowdstrike. Debunked day after day after day. Thats all right. You know who else brought it up . The president of the United States on his phone call with july 25th with the president of ukraine. And these conspiracy theories are just incredible. And you look at barr, the attorney general of the United States of america, actually bringing up the steele dossier Conspiracy Theory when the timeline doesnt line up. Actually bringing up carter page and the fisa application. Again, theyre talking about this is what started this investigation, this russia no, it didnt. The timelines dont line up. I mean, anyway okay. So i want to start, though, of course were going to saint james south and no. Were not going to talk for a few minutes about britain, even though i could talk for three hours about it. Yeah. You have been. Can we have bra tainia neita bump in. No. Rule britainia, sorry. You said something on the break that was fascinating, that was you thought yesterday may have been one of Donald Trumps best days as president. Why . Stock market went up dramatically showing the economys in decent shape. You had the china trade deal outlines of a phase one deal which will help things. The avoidance of a Government Shutdown apparently. Boris johnsons win. And you look at all of that and youre donald trump waking up in the white house and the polls show it and you go, not bad. This is a formula where he has strong economics, he can go regardless of who the democratic candidate is, hes going to run against the excesses of those people in Democratic Party who stand for something else. And hes going to basically say, you know, theres a case for me. And i think for donald trump yesterday was the kind of day that you have to say he should never be discounted or counted out. This is not advocacy, just analysis. The china deal was a desperation move. He tweets 150 times or whatever and then says i need good news to counteract whats going on on tv. The biggest threat to his economic success has been his trade policy. What hes done has got usmca, he has a bipartisan deal with the u. S. , mexico, canada deal, china and then a u. S. Japan deal. What hes begun to do is remove the very headwinds he inserted into his economic situation. China hasnt confirmed the trade deal but do agree with richard yesterday as a big win for donald trump . I agree. Whether the jobs numbers came out we looked at them and said thats the kind of thing that any incumbent president would love to see. Its true that donald trump has been his own worst enemy on the economy in terms of the Market Performance and in terms of wages, Everything Else have been the trade policy. If he decides to clean up the trade policy and stop fighting trade wars and acting like a normal Republican National list to tries to get all this stuff in order the likelihood that the economy stays strong, goes up, and if it stays strong the likelihood of him getting reelected goes up too. Hes not only his own worst enemy on the economy, ive said this for years, hes his own worst enemy politically. If he would just put down the phone. If he would just stop tweeting. I mean, if i if i were advising anybody in his position, id say the only thing youre going to talk about is 50year lows and unemployment, going to talk about wages, youre going to talk about the economy growing, youre going to talk about the United States being the strongest economy in the world. Youre just going to talk about that and then you can go back inside and watch fox news. Bush watched espn, worked for him. You can watch fox news. Hes got way obama watched espn all the time. That worked for him. Cant do it. If donald trump could just get out of his way with these economic numbers, hed be over 50 . As mika vers hes incapable of doing that. He cant do it. Republicans in the senate are telling the same thing. Mitch mcconnell is going on tv saying, hey, mr. President , weve got this in the senate, were going to keep it short, weve got votes we need. The president and the white house want to bring witnesses out and drag this out. Hes got republicans tell them, dude, youve got 3. 5 unemployment, turn to that. But hes feeling good, he knows he has full protection and loyalty from republicans across the government. He does. The attorney general will protect him come hell or high water, the secretary of state, and now Majority Leader Mitch Mcconnell last night on fox saying the white house and i are coordinating how we will run this trial. I know im a juror in the trial, but im coming out and saying we are here to protect the president in the senate when this impeachment trial is over. And, by the way, what donald trump needs to understand is he has people around him finally who will destroy their own reputations. Yeah. Absolutely. In furtherance of his. They will end up disgraced, a lot of them will end up in jail, just like they have already. Because in you hang out with donald trump enough, you end up in jail. But he can relax. Hes got these people who are willing to destroy themselves, destroy their reputations, destroy their careers for him. He can relax. Barr. Destroy this country. Barrs i mean, pompeo, all of these guys are now willing to sacrifice themselves for donald trump. And be seen as john mitchells,er limitchells, holdermans for the rest of their lives. Let him talk about the economy and let these people around him destroy themselves. We have Senior Adviser at movon. Org karine jeanpierre. And euGene Robinson. And jake sherman. Great group. I am so excited to have Gene Robinson here. Can anybody tell me around the table why i am . London bureau. Hes a listened to don resculondon bureau guy. Gene, you, back there in the early days. I was there in the early 90s, yeah. Early 90s, same thing. You were there in the early 90s. Obviously right after the big win, 87 win for thatcher. But you were there when labor was actually getting their act together and moving toward a new labor approach that worked for them. Richard was just saying that last night was back to the future. John was talking about this is like it is like the labor party of 1977, 1978. Yeah. Michael foot. New labor went back to being paleolithic labor all the way back. And it was, you know, disaster, debacle, catastrophe, i dont know how you you know, how you categorize it. When i was in london, Boris Johnson was an unethical and dishonest journalist writing for the daily telegraphy and sort a stories up but entertainingly. But i will say today i underestimated him as a politician. I think he engineered, you know, i think he knew that if he could get to an election against Jeremy Corbyn, he could get a mandate not just for brexit, but a mandate, you know, a big mandate. I dont know if even he imagined that he would have the biggest mandate since Margaret Thatcher. This is going this is, you know, earthquake doesnt really say it for what this means for britain to see i was looking at that map. Im obsessed with this like you are so i was sort of back and forth between the hearing on the hill and looking at the bbc and others filling in the map of britain. Its crazy. And seeing, you know, areas that are just have been labor for a hundred years just going going blue which over there means going conservative. And it was just astonishing. So this is this is a whole new day for britain. A lot of it comes down to Jeremy Corbyn who is perhaps the most, you know, unattractive and unsuitable candidate to lead a major party in a major democracy since, well, donald trump. Yeah. But corbyn was unacceptable to a lot of voters who might have voted labor if it hadnt been for corbyn. Really interesting thing in scotland. Scottish National Party picked up a bunch of seats and now dominates scotland and is already calling for another referendum on scotland leaving the United Kingdom. Watch this base. Scotland voted heavily to remain in the European Union. Theres going to be a big push on which johnson will resist for a new scottish referendum. So he may have won this enormous battle, he could lose the war for the for the united part of United Kingdom. Yeah. I had a scottish fan in the university of alabama in the mid 80s, beware of scotland, they will take over the world. Karine, you had a lot of people warning labor about Jeremy Corbyn. Yeah. This was going to be a nightmare. And actually the fact that is Boris Johnson wanted to go against corbyn so badly, its like the Harlem Globetrotters against the Washington Generals. Only crusty the clown bet on the Washington Generals because they were due. Theyre due. But they never win. And corbyn was never going to win. Jonathan wrote this is a warning for democrats, be very careful about believing the twitter. Oh, i agree. Actually is the Democratic Base and instead focus on, lets say, the older africanamerican voters in South Carolina and across the country that not only make up the Democratic Base, the real Democratic Base, but also decide whether theyre going to get out and vote in november for a candidate they can relate to and beat donald trump. Look, i think its definitely a warning sign what we saw yesterday. Especially when you go back to 2016 with the brexit vote, absolutely. But i do say that corbyn was southern popular that thats probably the difference. Because he was such an unpopular he also had bigoted views that was problematic. So connecting him to candidates on the democratic side is probably not the way to go. But i do want to lean in on the wisconsin polling that you guys were talking about. Because did i think thats where there is a loud sound, a loud kind of bell that democrats should Pay Attention to. First of all, we should not Pay Attention to national polls, we should be paying attention to state polls. Wisconsin tells me that we are going to be in a scenario where donald trump is not going to win the popular vote but could potentially win the white house. Thats a fact that democrats have to deal with. So what do democrats need to do . They need to expand the map. So they have to look at arizona. They have to look at georgia and do what obama did in 2008, winning virginia, winning north carolina. So that is i think the warning sign is, what should democrats do . Expand the map. Youre not going to win this on twitter. We got to go out there and knock on the doors, get people out to vote. We have to make sure that we are expanding the electorate, talking about african americans, talking about people who do not normally come out to vote. So there needs to be a real laidout plan for democrats. Because were going to need a movement to win in 2020. I want to underline something you said too earlier, joe, there are warning signs for democrats in the socialism that Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders talk about, but, again, Jeremy Corbyn is an antisemite. Elizabeth warren and Bernie Sanders are not that at all. Theres some policy similarities, but theres a reason that Jeremy Corbyn is repulsive to voters in the uk. Let me bring it back to this country tie aand what well see today. We had the late night session last night where they closed without a vote. There was a lot of huffing from republicans on that side saying weve been here 14 hours, lets have the vote. Theyll reconvene at 10 00 this morning. What do you expect to see today . A lot of huffing from the press corps as well. Theyre going to pass on a partyline vote out of this committee. Over the 14 hours yesterday we learned nothing new, obviously. This was a very partisan process and we learned that the first to go after joe biden from republicans on this in congress, joe biden is the new Hillary Clinton for republicans in congress. They are going feast on him if he gets in the white house. If he doesnt get in the white house theyre going to also feast on him and hunter biden. But this will proceed on partisan grounds. Its going to come to the house floor next week. We assume wednesday democrats do not want impeachment to be the last thing they do before they leave town for the christmas holiday. Its going to pass the house and republicans talking point at that point, we had a life event with Kevin Mccarthy in which he said the bipartisan vote will be the vote against impeachment. Democrats are going to lose some votes of people in swing districts, maybe not in wisconsin, but places around the country. Weve heard nervousness from people everywhere from new york South Carolina, all over the country. And so, yes, its going to be an overwhelming vote to impeach donald trump, but democrats are going peel off and are going to give republicans this talking point that there was unease among Nancy Pelosis troops on impeaching the president. John, i want to pick up we need to get to the interview. Were going to get to your interview with Kevin Mccarthy in a moment, but i want to get what he said about biden. I thought it was a mistake when Hillary Clinton went and testified. I didnt think it was going to help the president ial campaign. This attack on biden now, because it was so personal to Hillary Clinton, the mistake republicans are making is that every time they attack hunter biden. Yes. They are actually making every parent in america, republican independent, and democrat alike go. Come on. Come on. You know what . We all have problems, hunters got more problems than most kids, but youre attacking a dad, thats not going to stick on joe biden. It actually does he was almost 50 years old. It does two things. It makes him a more empathetic figure, number one. It just does. And republicans who dont understand that dont understand human nature. And number two, it sends a message to every democratic voter in america thats going to vote in the primaries, the message is this, republicans are scared, i wish i could say the next word, out of their wits aboutfacing joe biden. Donald trump is so scared of joe biden that he actually perverted americas defense poll city to try to destroy joe biden. He did something that no president has ever done before because joe biden scares him to death. Yesterday, if im biden, and im watching my name brought up time and time again in an impeachment hearing about donald trump, im just sitting back going, does it get any better than that . How scared are these clowns of me . And it also helps me that theyre iq, like, added up altogether doesnt even reach a hundred. But these people there is that. Are making me look inevitable. I think republicans are making a horrible, horrible mistake attacking attacking hunter, and then, again, letting everybody know that they are petrified of facing joe biden. Right. So i think that, first of all, theres no question when they attack hunter biden personally, as some of them have done, that theyre making a huge mistake in the way that you suggest. I do think there are some americans who certainly people in Donald Trumps base and others who think that they have some questions about what hunter biden was doing on the board. Legitimate questions. Sure. Very legitimate questions. Thats a distinction i would draw between the personal attacks on hunter biden versus the questions about what his role was on the board, why he was there. You know what bind says . He says the same thing every adult says. My kids 50 years old, talk to my kid. I love my kid. Thats not what he said. What he said im saying thats what he needs to say. Maybe. But what he said instead, i think this is why the Campaign Continues to struggle a little bit to come up with a clean answer to this question. The position hes taken publicly is my son did nothing wrong, he did nothing illegal and nothing unethical. However, if im president of the United States, i will not let this behavior occur again as president. Which raise the question if theres nothing wrong with what he did, why are you instituting a rule to bar that from happening . Ill say again, though, youve got to look at donald trump and what hes done with his children and what voter in america that is not all in for donald trump is going to sit there and go, my goodness, i dont think i can vote for joe biden because his children have profited off his you know what this is going to be like. Its not going to be like that. Its going to be the president , this president , donald trump, is going to throw everything at joe biden on this question Going Forward. I can just tell you as a matter of reporting that there are people around joe biden and his campaign do not think they have dispensed of this issue sufficiently and that the Vice President needs to have a better set of answers because this is not going to go away. It is the case we agree. Theyre going raise this question Going Forward. The campaign does not feel like they have it nailed down. It could be we agree. I also think if they could get it disposed of properly and have the strongest answer for it, theres no question that the risk for trump is that theyve elevated biden and said and indicate they are scared of him. And it could play to bidens strategic strengths enormously if he could get past this is the general election. Weve got move on. I know why this is a problem, though. Because from conversations ive had with people on the Campaign Close to them is that talking about hunter, talking about anything like that emotional. Hurts him. Of kortion. Of course. He has been hurt terribly by the loss two of children in his life, tragic passings. This is his remaining son. It hurts him. And i still think, and this is not of any interest to joe biden, but i think the issue every time its brought up does help him. Like you said. And its very ill say again, i love my son, hes 50 years old. Talk to my son. Im worried about your sons, im worried about your family, im worried about just as a father, though, can he not help thats why im running for president of the United States. Jake is her plasherman, get in i do think there are people, and john indicated this, on the Biden Campaign that do believe is this is not an issue. Biden himself did nothing wrong. But i could tell you from talking to trump world, they are going beat him over the head with this. On the burisma issue, not the separate issues that he has legitimate problems with, but on the burisma issue joe bidens son was serve okay a board in ukraine while his father was in charge of policy. Theres a whole conflict of interest, this is what the trumps will say, and the trump people think that that will resonate. There are people on capitol hill i can tell you obviously the nation is very divided, very jer jerry man derred seats. And when you see people like Lindsey Graham who vowed to keep joe biden out of this trial are asking for documents from the state department. So this is traveling up. This is not just confined to the house of representatives in the is traveling across the party into the senate. And i do agree with john that theres not been on the campaign a significance to this. And theyve not wanted to address it because they believe joe biden himself did nothing wrong and they are perpetuating this narrative that its okay by doing that. I think there are a lot of people who are concerned who want to forceful response to this. Politicos jake sherman, thank you very much. 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Only pay for what you need. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. 27 past the hour. Live look at the white house. We have National Correspondent for politico natasha bertrand. Her latest piece is on why some veterans of the Intelligence Community are saying that the igs watchdog report could provide a roadmap for russian spies. Natasha ar are tetell us more. So National Security experts were alarmed by the amount of detail that was in this report about sources, about how the fbi vets sources, about things like an assessment of a former employee by a former by a friendly Foreign Intelligence Service. There are details in this report that make it very easy to identify who crist far steeles sources were, for example, that contributed to the dossier. And, who some of the confidential human sources the fbi used during the 2016 election to make contact with people like George Papadopoulos and carter page. What these intel veterans say that the russians, chinese, any adversarial Foreign Intelligence Service would love to get their hands on this kind of document because it allows them to then be able to determine who the fbi is using as sources, how they go about vetting them, and essentially what the process is for, you know, vetting these people and going about collecting intelligence. Natasha, seems to me that the russians and others are doing pretty well without this. Theyve had a good run at the last two elections. What difference do you think this could or would make . What added vulnerability did this deliver . To be sure there are a lot of things about the fbis way they handle sources and how they vet sources that is already public because the public itself has to be reassured that the fbi isnt going completely rogue here and, for example, inserting confidential human sources in news organizations and things like to. That there are some standards for how thee deal with these people. But, at the same time details like one of Christopher Steeles chief sources was a senior person within the russian government or had senior access to a senior person in the russian government. Another source being confirmed as a bella russian who is on the chamber of commerce. These are sources that the fbi has made contact with them, theyre on their radar, that these are people that have been providing information whether unwittingly or not to the American Foreign the american Intel Services and also to folks like Christopher Steele. So it puts their lives in danger and it could create a possible Chilling Effect for sources in the future who might be reluctant to come forward and work with the fbi because of details like this, identifying details that are placed in reports like this. I can ask really quickly, and, john, maybe you can give us details on this. I remember u. S. Months ago, a year ago, two years ago, whenever the steele dossier info first started coming out it was attached to i think the free beacon and republicans and funders. But now now whenever its discussed its only connected to the Clinton Campaign. Im sorry to go back to to go back and but im curious, what was of what was the deal there . How did when did the clinton people take over . When did the funder for the free beacon stop. Natasha will correct me if im wrong on this. I believe that pull singer who was a never trumper republican was also the backer of one of the washington conservative organizations, one of the newspapers, i think it was the free beacon originally started the work, not the dossier itself but brought in Christopher Steele to do Opposition Research on behalf of republicans. So steele or gps . Fusion gps. Fusion gps contracted with Christopher Steele if the was fund by the republicans in the primary. When the primary ended, fusion found a new backer for its continued research into trump. And that backer was the Clinton Campaign with money that was and did the information from the so basically republicans did it until he won the nomination and then the democrats started doing it . Thats the basic org of it. And because fusion was working with steele i believe throughout this someone who has more expertise might be able to correct me, i think fusion had contract with steele do the research throughout, essentially steele was working as a subcontract. The dossier was at the tail end of that process so its become more associated with clinton. But there were various versions of the dossier too and those documents that he filed with fusion gps came out at various intervals over the course of 2016. Natasha, does that match with what youre seeing . Yeah. Chris steele really came on to the scene with regard to fusion gps around the spring, early summer of 2016. Thats when he was hired, basically, to do research on trumps business ties and what his ties to the russians might be just broadly. And he went and he asked his sources. And what he got back, obviously, was this information about when you started, though, he was working for never trump republicans, right . When chris steele started, he had the democrats had already taken over the funding. They had taken over the funding, okay. Natasha, stay with us. Coming up, the false romance of russia. Well be right back. Wow, thats quite a tease. I like that. Thats quite a tea i like that. Unpredictable crohns symptoms following you . For adults with moderately to severely active crohns disease, stelara® works differently. Studies showed relief and remission, with dosing every 8 weeks. Stelara® may lower your ability to fight infections and may increase your risk of infections and cancer. Some serious infections require hospitalization. Before treatment, get tested for tb. 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Only pay for what you need. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. All right. In a new piece for the atlantic entitled the false romance of russia, columnist and professor ann apple balm rights in bart this. In the 21st century we must contend with a new phenomenon. Right wing intellectuals now deeply critical of their own societies who have begun paying court to the right wing dictators who dislike america. And their motives are curiously familiar. All around them they see deagain raisi, racial mixing, demographic change, political correctness, samesex marriage, religious decline. America that they actually inhabit no longer matches the white, anglosaxon, pro des stent mrk that they remember and so they begin to look abroad at the nations that they imagine are morally stronger than their own. Nations for example such as russia. American intellectuals who find themselves alienated from the country what they inhabit arent interested in reality. They are interested in a fantasy nation different and distinct from their own hateful country. America, with its complicated social and political as well as ethnic diversity, with its constitution than ensurs we wt will never ever be forced to feel that all life is focussed in a central purpose, this america no longer appeals to them at all. Most of them know that this fantasy foreign nation that they admire seeks to put an end to all of that. It seeks to undermine american democracy, beat back american influence, and curtail american power. But to those who dislike american democracy, despair of american influence and are angered by american power, that truly is the point. Richard, ive been shocked by some socalled conservatives that ive seen on tv, that ive read online, that ive read in papers actually sing the praises of Vladimir Putin, orbin, right wing across central and eastern europe, its as if Ronald Reagan never ran their party. Yeah, theres zero memories, zero knowledge. But i have a question, joe, for these people. How are they going to feel tend of putinism when theres no legitimate succession, its not clear what or to whom putin hands off power. He doesnt have a real economy. Hes got an economy less than the size of italys. Theres no serious nonoil sector. Theres no concept legitimate political transition. How good is russia going to look then . How is russia going to meet the challenges of the century given its political problems, its nationality problems . This is a country that be really does not have the plan for its own future. And my guess is, russia is not going to look so good to anybody. So im just curious whether this romance turns out to be rather short lived, shall we say. But, again, willie, this is a leader, this is a country that, like, the only european country that has invaded another country since world war ii. They went into georgia, they went into in 08 they went into ukraine. Im speechless. And theres some conservative writers who i follow pretty closely who sing the praises of orbin. Do they not understand how illiberal and antidemocratic he is. Putin trying to put back together the sof quoviet union reagan took apart. Gene robinson, im yucurious wh you think were talk about when we talk about right wing nationals in the United States and this view of looking outward from america . You know, when hearing the reading of annes excellent piece, the very short sort of clip summary of that that came to my mind was White Supremacy. White supremacy monot expressedn those terms, but in the terms western civilization. And i think there are there are conservative intellectuals and others here who who see in this country what they would call western civilization and what i would call White Supremacy threatened. Threatened by latino immigration, let threatened by increased diversity in the upper echelons of this society, threatened by when youre on the phone with the Insurance Company or whatever having to press one for english and two for spanish. And seeing that as somehow degenerate and looking ironically toward russia and, you know, victor orbin and those kinds of people as defenders of some, i guess, preenlightenment ideal of western civilization. Its ahistorical and its ill loth logical and its crazy but its happening. And i think we need to confront it and deal with it. And katty kay, jump in on this, but there seems to be happening right before our eyes a destabilization of americas place in the world. And its its sort of filled out by images of World Leaders laugh at President Trump. I mean, its real. Yeah. And i think that plays into some of this. This idea of empire and grandness and confidence on the world stage and how that might have been undermined as these academics see it, you know, under president obama and now they want to project it again. And part of its clearly race, right . It is this sense of White Supremacy. And if you look at the demographics of america, what is it 2044 the country becomes a minority white country and theres that fear as the country is changing demographically. Its not just race. Theres a broader sense, i think, amongst some conservative thinkers that its become too pc. That its not just racial minorities that are having more rights, its also gay rights, its a sense of a loss of religious practice perhaps in the United States, certainly in europe. And a harkening back to a sense of nostalgia of a time when things were simpler in their views and it was white men largely that ran the show. That is changing. Women are taking more positions of power. I wheernd thonder what they thi dpin wloond which h finland that has just elected a 34yearold women and more women in the cabinet. Its not the world that their parents knew. You know, karine, the lunacy of people we hear all the time that evangelicals support donald trump and these leaders because they feel like their way of life is under siege. The idea that the First Amendment is not sufficient for us, were going to emulate or we want our leaders to emulate Vladimir Putin and russia . Ronald reagan spent a good part of his presidency working for religious freedom, to actually get dissidents out of russia, of the soviet union who were persecuted because of their faith. We went from mr. Gorbachev, tear down to this wall to lets parrot russia propaganda across the country that we hear every day even in the last three months as weve been looking at the impeachment inquiry. The thing that resonates with me is the White Supremacy, because now you have a president in, you know, the white house who is lifting that up in such a dangerous way. When you think about the antiimmigration policies and the babies and the children that have been separated at the border who are now orphaned, some have died, when you think about how hes dividing the country by using that hatred, that bigotry, that identity, as you said, joe. Wee livi were living in a dangerous time because this country is only becoming more diverse. So what does that look like for the future of america . Well, you know, the thing is its really and im sure im wrong here because im usually wrong, john heilemann, by look at 2020 perhaps as the last election thats really up for grabs. As far as republicans, i hope they enjoy the 2020 race, because in 2024 i suspect texas will go democratic. Georgia more likely to go democratic. Arizona more likely to go democratic. But lets just stop there. Its over. In 2024. So the Republican Party has disqualified itself. Theyre actually think will be a fight within the Democratic Party to see which direction they go. Are they going to represent the millions of americans who were going to abandon the Republican Party . Are they going to republican the millions of americans who are black and who are hispanic and who are conservative with a small c who are pro life who fa take a lot of social positions that republicans have take snen how is th taken . How is this going to look . I know that 2020, its the end of the line for Donald Trumps america. He aint on long island in 1957. This world is moving quickly forward. Demographic change is transforming the country, it will transform the Democratic Party and the truth is that the notion that it just the fact that the country arizos gettin diverse does not guarantee that democra they will win in the future. There are Asian Americans who have wildly disparate views. Theyre going to have to be a real big 10 party to take advantage of those changes. But i want to come back and say one thing about this Anne Applebaum piece. It would be one thing if it were some weird neonationalist right wing intellectuals were spoulting these. The reality is one of the craziest and insidious things thats happened in the last couple weeks is the notion that people on prime time hosts on fox news with the power that that network has are now coming out and openly saying things like im rooting for russia over ukraine. I dont know why i should be against russia. Tucker carlson has said this multiple times where hes coming out youre starting to see in a main in what is the dominate Media Organization of the american right right now, there is now a prime time host and these congressman saying the same thing, this notion of taking up the cause saying ukraine interfered in the election, trying to turn away from russia. Russia is a foe of america. Richard, check me if im wrong, russia is an adversary of the United States. Ukraine san ally of the United States. To hear what is in this conservative moment in this Republican Party, the Mainstream Media house organ, to hear prominent people saying i dont see why i should side with ukraine, i think we should side with russia is a really disturbing trend. And its not about pointing intellectuals in some United States u universities on the far national right, its in the main treem stream of fox news. We here them go on meet the press almost every weekend and parroting points of view. Its important to repeat that parroting points of view that americas Intel Community warned them not to parrot because its russia propaganda. Yes. But, richard, go ahead and confirm it. We may not see russia as our enemy, but russia sees us as their enemy. Absolutely. What putin has made clear is he wants to part of what we would call the liberal world order. He wants to preserve his rule. He wants to preserve a kleptocracy in russia. He wants to be free to use military he doesnt want to make russia great again. He wants russia seen as a great power again. If he does ukraine, georgia, hes done in syria, he has no real economy at home because if he had a real economy then youd have independent centers of power. Russias gdp is like one tenth of ours. Theyre like 2. 5 trillion. Were over 20 trillion. And almost all of it is because of oil. Theres no provision for the future. This is a country, just look at the numbers, of 140, 145 Million People. This is 60 million less than pakistan, lets just put this in perspective. What russia has is cyber power, it has energy, it has military power. What it doesnt have have hold on. And it has the president in the white house who is the most pro russian president in the history of this republican and who causes grave concern for all of our allies. You look at helsinki. Im not even going down the list. He is look at lavrov in the oval office this week. Yes. If he is not a russian asset, which im not saying he is, he is certainly is what we conservatives used to call a useful idiot for russia. What russia and the white house have in common is they both get up in the morning and want to disrupt the world thats grown up over the last 75 years. Donald trump sees this world as a burden on the United States, unfair to the United States. Russians see this world as a threat to their political system. Theres a parallelism now between what ought to be our greatest enemy and ourselves. Natasha, before you go, u. S. Prosecutors are seeking to revoke bail for lparnas for posing an extreme risk of flight. While prosecutors point out most of the money was used for parnass personal experiences it raises questions about giulianis associates. They were charged with trying to funnel foreign money into u. S. Political campaigns as well as working to remove the former u. S. Ambassador to ukraine, marie yovanovitch. Back in october parnas and fruman were arrested at the airport with oneway tickets out of the country. Again, russian money all over this. Natasha. Yes, and one of the biggest questions surrounding the giulianiparnasfruman scheme has been how involved are the russians directly in this. Obviously the entire scheme was pushing russian interests, removing the ambassador, framing ukraine for interference in the 2016 election that, of course, russia did. These were all talking points pushed by russia, so payments to fruman and parnas were at the center of the questions about, well, how is russia having a hand in this, how are they influencing this. This 1 million payment raises serious questions about whether the russians were funding this campaign and to what extent they had their tentacles in this entire scheme the whole time that has been ongoing for the last several months. The biggest one being that ukraine interfered in the election instead of russia. Thats access hollywood taka theyve been pushing since december 2017. A final word, is there a Similar Movement in britain among certain conservatives . Less so. Britain has been more wary of russia because it sits closer to russia. What you are seeing interestingly is on the continent. You are seeing franc ae and germany wanting to make rapprochement with russia. Theyre kind of saying, well, we supported ukraine for a bit, but actually now that russian gas is looking really attractive. In the interest, it is much more transactional, less ideological and intellectual. In the interest of transactional economics theyre prepared to throw ukraine under the bus right now, france and germany, to have the gas relationship they want with russia. And the front page of financial times, germany and russia strike back at u. S. Threat for sanctions on pipeline. There you go. Im humored and petrified by the white house that continues to think they can strike out against our allies and that our allies have nowhere to go. They do. They have china. They have russia. This is not a uni polar world and donald trump does not understand that. What the other result of the week also, when you had this meeting with the europeans and russians and ukraine, ukraine goes into the meeting, zelensky goes into the meeting as weak as he could possibly be because of what has become a broken, nonstarting relationship with the United States. He had to go up against putin against the backdrop of this conversation. No surprise, no progress was made. Thank you very much, and our thanks to Gene Robinson as well. We will be reading your peach on impeachment in the washington pobs. Coming up by the way, i dont want to get deep in the weeds here, but when it began in late july, early august, when trump started ent interfering the way he did on the quid pro quo, actually the ukrainians and russians had just begun talks. There was a Prisoner Exchange and there was hope they would move forward. Donald trump went in, completely derailed that. Shifted the power balance of the negotiation completely to putin, and here we are. And zelensky has lost something of a domestic base to go forward in this because people are worried he is so weak he will giveaway the store to putin. It has made it much more difficult. Thank you, donald. Coming up, President Trump tweeted yesterday the u. S. Is getting close to a trade deal with china. But theres reporting this morning that beijing is less than enthusiastic. We will talk more on the trade war. After yesterdays marathon hearing, the house Judiciary Committee is expected to vote on articles of impeachment this morning. We will speak to a member of that panel, congress within Veronica Escobar joining us. Great. She will talk about what is expected today. We have holiday music. I still dont have the answer. Whats that . The question about your song. Your song is on this christmas list, which is really cool on spotify, but it is called i dont want to go home for christmas. Right. I do not want to go home for christmas. I have wondered about it for days. I dont know if you have seen narcos, but pablo had extradition problems. Sure. Ive got the Colombian National police down there. Listen, willie and i i can take those problems off your hands. We did a lot of things in the late 80s were not particularly proud of. Were leike parnas, oneway tickets only. Youre watching morning joe. Well be right back. Morning joe. Well be right back. Music Building experience the power of sanctuary at the lincoln wish list sales event. 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The committee is in recess. Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman. There was no consulting from the Ranking Member on your schedule for tomorrow, which you have just blown up schedules for everyone. You chose not to consult the Ranking Member on a scheduling issue of this magnitude . So typical. This is the Kangaroo Court that we are talking about. All right. After more than 14 hours of debate on the articles of impeachment against the president , the house Judiciary Committee abruptly adjourned late last night, holding off a historymaking vote until this morning. That was chairman jerry nadler, appearing to catch many of his fellow lawmakers off guard when he made that announcement shortly before midnight. The committee will return at 10 00 a. M. This morning to continue the markup of the impeachment articles before sending them to the house floor next week. What did he have, like a rave . Did he have a flight to catch . What was going on there . That guys the same way. Thats nadler. What did he have to do . On the one hand, lets get some sleep, sleep on it and think about it. On the other hand, dude, weve been here for 14 hours. Can we just vote . Come on. Lets bring in nbc news without correspondent Geoff Bennett and talk about what happened in the United States and in washington last night. Why did jerry nadler recess last night . What happened . Reporter yes, well, here is the deal, mika. Democrats say that republicans told them that they intended to wrap things up last night by 5 00 p. M. But what happen was during the hearing and you saw this democrats made mention of the fact that republicans wanted to go to that planned White House Christmas reception that started at 7 00 p. M. So as a little bit of retribution, republicans offered a bunch of amendments and jammed up the process as a means of forcing this nighttime vote. So when it became clear this panel was poised to vote on the articles of impeachment at midnight, potentially even 1 00 a. M. , nadler tabled it and made the point this is too important of a thing to have this vote in the dead of night. So he recessed and called a voice vote that will set up this Committee Vote on the two articles of impeachment at 10 00 a. M. So what do we expect today, geoff . Reporter so we expect that this committee will vote these articles of impeachment from the committee to the house floor. It will be a 2317 split. It would normally be a 2417 split but you have congressman ted lieu, the democrat at home recovering from a medical procedure. That then sets up a vote in the house next week, we are told, on wednesday. So on tuesday youve got the house vote to set or set to vote on this government funding measure. Wednesday they will vote on impeachment. Thursday theyll vote on the usmca, nafta 2. 0. That is done by design. The house speaker, house leadership wanted policy to be the last thing that this congress does at the end of the year. Right. Not impeachment. All right. Thank you so much, geoff. We greatly appreciate it. Yes. Peter baker, i want to bring you in. Political plus for the president but personal humiliation your great article in the new york times. So republicans are saying maybe it is a political plus. I personally dont think it is going to be. But just for arguments sake as you say in the article, this is even though some republicans and some people around the president think this will help him in the long run with his base, it disdains donald trump and it is a personal and we saw it yesterday with over 100 tweets. This is something thats really, really upsetting him on a personal level despite his protes protests otherwise. Thats exactly right. He can count on a republicanheld senate to hold trial where he almost certainly seems to be acquitted or to have the charges dismissed in some fashion or another. Mitch mcconnell is talking about a trial, ten to twelve days, that would end in acquittal. Remember, you need a twothirds vote for conviction there. It doesnt mean he wont have the sting of a historical marker. It may be a Party Line Vote but it will be an impeachment. That will be part of his obituary, his historical legacy on his page in the annals of the presidency. Thats something that does sting. Behind closed doors he toggles back and forth between selfpity and combativeness. He is in kind of in a better place some of his advisors say because hes excited not excited. Energized. Republicans are defending him in the way he wants them to defend him, like you saw yesterday through 14 hours of meetings. What theyre saying is he didnt do anything wrong, which is what he wants. He didnt like some of the equivocation he heard from some of the republicans early on. He goes back and forth at this point, but you are right about twitter. Look what happened yesterday. 123 tweets. 123 tweets. It was more than in one day how does he do that . More than one day than he had in a full week in 2017. Hes already now at a weekly record and we have two more days to go as president. So, you know, he is clearly taking out his energy through tweets and so forth, most of which are retweets of things that republicans are saying defending him. I think he, again, likes the idea he has supporters, he has allies that will have his back, something he didnt necessarily feel he had in september. 123 feets on monday. Wow, youre president of the United States which i think is a pretty busy job. Not for all of them. Less for him than others. John, lets go with what we all know is going to happen, and it is the house next week. Assuming the vote takes place next week, will impeach the president of the United States. Look over the hill to what will happen in the senate. If you had any doubt, and i dont think you do, that republicans would vote to acquit the president of the United States, look no further than Majority Leader Mitch Mcconnells interview with sean hannity last night where he said, quote, there will be no difference between the president s position and our position in how to handle this. Right. So republicans coordinating with the white house to ensure they get the vote they want to get. This is going to go and going to play out just the way most people thought it would. Right, and i think it is right and proper for all of us to say lets let the thing play out and not be too firm and predictive. Look, the betting odds that the president will be acquitted. There is some drama around some of the seats. They need 20 of them. Thats why i think theres drama around the question because the seats matter so much, what will the republicans do. So we care about the outcomes because we care about control of the senate and those are important political decisions. I can tell you those senators are weighing things with a fine grain of parity. By the way, they cant afford to have the same take as the house republicans. Or if the president cory gardner cant do it. No. Martha mcsally. Martha mcsally cant do it. Certainly Susan Collins cant do it. Susan collins. Even tom tillis has to be careful. Those are the ones that are at the top of the list along with maybe mitt romney, someone that might vote that way on principle. I want to ask you, joe, because i caught something yesterday. I watched a lot of the proceedings yesterday including a lot late last night before the drama or semi quasi weird drama between nadler and the ranking minority member going at it over process. The last thing was you talking about your view maybe it was a mistake to have only two articles of impeachment and to be so focused, democrats focused on trying to do it quickly and trying to have these two omnibus articles. As the day played out yesterday, your comments, which werent very specific and thats why i wanted to ask you about them, were ringing in my year because republicans over the course of yesterday felt like the reason, as peter baker said, the president is happy because republicans are defending him on substance. The reason theyre defending him on substance wasnt exactly they said he did nothing wrong. What they were able to seize on was the notion over the course of the day was that, democrats, if you thought you had a chargeable crime you would have you would have charged the president. You would have included articles of impeachment on specific things like bribery, so on and so on. Right. Instead, abuse of power may be an offense but it is not a dream. Im trying to did you whether you think that by going with these omnibus article, in a way that kind of threw everything in a general sense, where the democrats might have made a political mistake and given republicans a stronger argument or whether having enumerated four, five, six, seven, eight, the mueller obstruction charge would have been better off for them and why . I think you have to be nimble and it is hard to be nimble when you are herding that many cats as speaker of the house. Nancy pelosis first concern has to be the moderate democrats in virginia, in california, all of the democrats that won rep seats by 1,000, 2,000, 4,000 seats. So we understand that. But as we move through this process and the republicans in the house acted the way in such an abhorrent way i mean it is going to dems in the long run that would be better off to say, yes, he did it, but it is not a crime and here is why. Constitutionally this is why we shouldnt remove him. That would have been a good argument. Theyre not doing that. Now some republicans are cynically saying, well, you are rushing this. It is just my nature to say, oh, okay, im rushing this . You know what im going to do . Were going to slow this lets stop the train. Lets stop the train. Hey, hold on a second now. Oh, you dont have a dream. Oh, y oh, up dont have a crime. Oh, you mean like when the president s fixer talked about illegally giving a hush payment to a porn star a couple of weeks before an election that would have landed any of you in okay. You know what . Youre right, were going to slow. You know what were going to do . That is a crime and were going to add it and it upsets you that we havent enumerated a specific crime that would have sent any of us to jail if we did it in any of our house races. Were going to add that. You have know what . The Russian Foreign minister was in the white house again. That reminds us. We have the president on record obstructing justice, telling the and i would play it out. It would be chinese water torture over weeks and months. Donald trump, you know what id do . I would be like george h. W. Bush in the 88 campaign against Michael D Michael dukakis. Were going to have environmental week, exempt for the democrats it would be well have Stormy Daniels week. We will get cohen out of jail. You are in jail because you did what . Oh, wait. Youre in jail because you helped the president in a conspiracy to violate a federal election law that would have landed him in jail. Oh, okay. This is Stormy Daniels week. You know what next week is . It is Sergei Lavrov week. I would do it week after week, and i understand there would be democrats that would say, oh, we cant do that. I understand that. But i tell you what, not only would it be best for history, i think politically it would be best. Call the republicans bluff. You know, if donald trump is selling out American Allies and selling out American National security is not enough for them, you know, then lets yeah. In the immortal words of w. D. Childers from the red neck riviera, state senator, lets put the wheat where the goats can eat it. Put it down there where they can eat it. Thats the thing that drove me crazy about bill clintons impeachment. Were sitting there, he committed perjury, monica lewinsky. But there were so many other things, you know, that were more troubling than that. Anyway, yeah, i would call the republicans bluff. I would drag this out. I would add i mean he has committed crimes. The emoluments clause, i would add it. Constitutionally, it is in the u. S. Constitution. They should add it. I understand theyre doing it for brevity to try to get it through there, keep it as simple as possible. That hasnt worked. The republicans bad faith such bad actors. 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Lets go to keir simmons outside 10 downing right now. Keir, the worst labor drubbing since 87, possibly 83. It was shocking watching the map last night across that red wall that labor had built through the north. By the way, for 100 years. Over the past century we are not talking about since thatcher. Yeah. But over the past 100 years, and you have conservatives winning in the midlands and the north, which, again, for people following british politics just is shocking development. What a loss for Jeremy Corbyn and labor. Reporter yes, absolutely stunning. Absolutely seismic, joe. Let me show you the front page of the daily mail here. The front page here, rejoice, quoting Margaret Thatcher because, as you say, you have to go back to the 1980s for an example of this kind of a political earthquake. Boris johnson, the Prime Minister, we are waiting for him to come back to 10 downing street, having been to see the queen, she to ask him to form a government. What a government he is going to lead. You have to think about thatcher, about blair, to understand how much Boris Johnson will be in charge of the Political Landscape here in britain. Joe, what you are talking about is right because it is a completely changed landscape. What you have seen is working class british people in those former Industrial Areas of the midlands and the north of england turning away from the labor party, from the left. I heard what was said earlier, all of the caveats. You have to be lesson for the democrats in the u. S. I have to say watching this Many Democrats should be scared to death because what you saw here was a populous leader taking those left those people who have been committed to the left for decades and bringing them on board with him, and now will be able to push through brexit. Another interesting point on that, what you saw with the labor party, joe, was a kind of young twitter sphere believing that they had momentum, believing they could push Boris Johnson out of office. One left wing commentator this morning saying, let us never forget that twitter does not represent the country. I think there are lessons for democrats from what has happened here. You have to remember back in 2016 britain voted for brexit and some months later a populous leader named donald trump won the presidency of the United States. Willie, a lot of people this morning on the bbc were talking about twitter and talking about young labor voters, talking to themselves, convincing themselves in this bubble that they had created that not only were they right but they were you know, they were going to win. Jonathan shake last night wrote this, the British Election results were a test of a widely articulated theory that holds the populous left wing platform is necessary and sufficient in order to defeat the Rising Nationalist right. Corbyns crushing defeat is a decisive representation. Jonathan offered a warning to american democrats saying, wait a second, you all have been saying. And he had quotes over the past several years, that democrats need to follow the corbyn example because it would lead democrats to the Promised Land in the United States. As jonathan said, not so fast. Andrew sullivan also saying, democrats have to get real really quickly or else theyre going to reelect donald trump. He said one lesson from the uk. If democrats dont stop their hardleft side, theyll sufficient the same fate as labor. If they dont move off their support of mass immigration, theyre toast. Twitter is not real life. Sounds familiar in this country as well. Thank you so much, keir simmons. 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They release medicine fast, for fast pain relief. Tylenol®. So we move from good morning good morning, liverpool, to good morning, oshkosh. We want to go to jim vandehei who knows the area very well. We want to show you a poll that came out, a lot of people are talking about right now. It is headtohead matchups between donald trump and the democrats. We have been seeing wide gaps, nine points, eight points. This marquette poll, a respected poll i guess, shows everybody deadlocked except, you know, biden. It is always within a margin of error. Biden is the only one that squeaks out a victory on donald trump. It is all very close. As i was watching the returns last night in the midlands, in the northern part of britain, i was thinking about wisconsin, i was thinking about michigan, i was thinking about pennsylvania, because those areas in the midlands in the north of england were areas nobody ever thought conservatives would win again. You talk five years ago to any republican, any political person, they would say, no, republicans are not going to win wisconsin, michigan and pennsylvania. Thats all changed. It has. Listen, if donald trump is to win reelection and i think it is still hard, right . Because his favorable ratings are so routinely in the low 40s, but if he is to win it is going to be because of what you have seen over the last week. He is able to it looks like well get a nafta deal. He has this make believe but tiny china deal. You have record low unploi unemployment. You will end up with the stock market getting a boost, ending the year with a high s p that performed with a 25 growth this year. Then he will run with the ad he has been running recently saying, you know what . You might not like me. A lot of people may not like me, you may think im a jerk, but do you like the results . Do you like the results compared to whoever he is running against. If he wins, thats the way he will do it. They are looking at wisconsin, minnesota, pennsylvania, michigan, any place with a high population of working class white voters they think they can persuade when they think it is a choice election. They are praying it is Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren because they think you could have a repeat of what happened in britain. They think it is a better matchup. Look at the swing state polls. Joe biden does better. Has routinely done better six months running. They continue to fear him the most and probably should fear him the most, at least on the known knowns today. Peter baker, if you look at the wisconsin number at top of the poll, thats about how President Trump won the state in 2016. He won with 47 of the vote. He won by Something Like 22,000 votes over Hillary Clinton, barely squeaking out a victory. The state now is as tight as it was on election day in 2016. Really with all of those candidates. As jim says, it is a reflection of where the focus is on the white house, that the president is going into hershey, pennsylvania, holding rally after rally in those small handful of states that handed him the election three years ago. Im struck how the polls show not just in wisconsin but across the board, how people have not moved very much in the three years since President Trump first won his election. If you look at the polls, for instance, on impeachment you see Something Like 49 for, 47 against. It is a very polarized country, right down the middle. The antitrump forces have a slight edge over the protrump forces but it is really close. If you look at 4947 split on impeachment, for instance, thats almost identical to what the popular vote was three years ago that trump lost but managed to win through the electoral college. So americans have not changed their minds about donald trump in a substantial way, at least according to these polls. We will see what happens over the next months to see if something changes. It does not look like impeachment as an overall narrative has changed peoples views of this presidency, but, you know, democrats are counting on a fatigue factor at some point, that whoever is nominated eventually will profit from the fact they will be tired of the circus, sired of the conflict, tired of the constant outrages and so forth. We havent seen it yet. We will see what happens obviously over the next ten months, eleven months. Coming up, we are closing in on the start of todays vote in the impeachment process of President Trump. The Judiciary Committee is set to pick up where things left off late last night. Much more on that in just three minutes. Us. Its what this country is made of. But right now, our bond is fraying. How do we get back to us . The y fills the gaps. And bridges our divides. Donate to your local y today. Because where theres a y, theres an us. 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Willie, i mean you go down the list of all of the excuses for why donald trump was not shaking down, extorting a foreign leader. I have heard from foreign leaders, a lot of them, that joe biden or they cant win. Democrats cant win, theyre scared. They cant win. So and they keep going back. So theyre trying to impeach him. I think most people would give democrats a better than even chance of beating donald trump right now if you look at so many of the polls that have him losing by nine points to joe biden. He is the incumbent and has great advantages, but depending on who the candidate is the democrats have advantages, too. Remember the term, he didnt say quid pro quo as if he would announce it in that way. I think councilwoman demings did a good job. Yes. Congresswoman Veronica Escobar of texas. Good morning. Great to have you on the show. Good morning. Thank you. You were name checked in a couple of the president s 123 tweets yesterday. Look at this. He says he misquoted the call, do a favor for the country. Aye. Do you want to respond to the president s tweets . You know, because this is what the president does. Yeah. He attacks people. He attempts to bully people, intimidate people. I think, i hope what the American People have seen is that the House Democrats will not be intimidated. We will not be prevented from doing our job, from fulfilling our obligation, from up holding our oath. No tweet from the president will prevent us from doing that. Republicans argued that the articles of impeachment actually dont reflect the crimes of which you, the democrats, are accusing the president. Take a listen to this. My question is, where is your crimes . The entire argument for impeachment in this case is based on a charge that is not a crime, much less a high crime. There is no allegation of bribery in these articles. Theres no allegation of extortion. Why arent they in this impeachment document . It is because they dont exist. We are marking up articles of impeachment for offenses that arent crimes. The article does not charge such crimes. Why not . Because that no evidence to support them. Congresswoman, what do you say to shows charges. Yes, thats what we had to listen to for 14 hours yesterday. The president committed the highest constitutional crimes that he could commit, abuse of power, bringing in foreign interference into our election and obstruction of congress. You dont last night near the end of the night i made an appeal to the american public, especially to those folks who had been listening to the hearing, hoping to gain a better understanding of what was going on, why we are impeaching the president , what this moment means. This moment actually is a really dark moment and there is a reckoning for our democracy. The way that i tried to frame it at the beginning of the hearing was this way. And one of our witnesses brilliantly laid it out this way. If a governor has received a governor of a state has received funding to help a community impacted by a hurricane or by flooding and that governor calls your mayor and tells your mayor, you know, i have this funding to help, but essentially in exchange i need you to smear my political opponent, that governor would be in jail. If that governor tried to obstruct an investigation into that occurrence, he would be in jail. If that governor said, im going to fight all of your subpoenas, he would be in jail. So no president is above the law, is what weve been saying all along. But the American People dont have to take our word for it, all of the evidence is out there for them to see. We have over 300 pages of an investigative report, over 100 witnesses, many of them or00 hours of testimony rather from witnesses who were patriots. You cannot be listen to that techt and be testimony and be unmoved. Over 50 text messages. We have Mick Mulvaney telling us to get over it because it happens all the time, but the most important testimony, the most important witness weve seen with our own eyes, weve heard with our own ears, it is the president of the United States first when he said, russia, are you listening, and then when he did it again for the 2020 election on the white house lawn, saying, yes, ukraine should essentially interfere in our election, and, hey, china, while youre listening you should do it too. Dont take our word for it. We have seen it, we have heard it. Willie. Congresswoman, it is willie geist. I want to put to you one of the other criticisms weve heard in the committee and from chairman graham and others there, that it is pay back effectively for the 2016 election, that you democrats were shocked Hilary Clinton lost the election to donald trump, that you have disdain for the 63 Million People who voted for donald trump, and this is your only way of getting him out of office because you are worried even about the next election. Thats their case anyway. They have started to make a culture war argument, that you democrats look down your nose for people who voted for donald trump and want to undo the election, they would say. What is your response to that . They are doing everything they can to distract from what i just described, the president s own words. Here is what i would say. We are going to take this vote this morning in just a little while. I hope that my republican colleagues have done what we have done on the democratic side, which is really search our hearts to make sure that we are doing the right and correct thing. I would sell the senate republicans, take a look at our democracy and where we are. We truly are at a crossroads. We have a president of the United States who has invited foreign interference into our elections. The American People, our democracy, our republic, we depend on free and fair elections. That is what is at stake. There is a pattern that the president has shown us over and over and over again, that he is willing to do anything, cheat, giveaway america in exchange for winning election. We are ready to fight him in 2020, willie. Thats for november, okay. This is about protecting the integrity of those very elections and, indeed, protecting the integrity of our beloved republic. And tower National Security. Thats right. Congresswoman Veronica Escobar, thank you for coming on the show this morning. Thank you. And Majority Leader Mitch Mcconnell said he will be in total coordination with the white House Counsel as the probe becomes a trial. Take a listen. Everything i do during this, i am coordinating with white House Counsel. There will be no position between the president s position and our position as to how to handle this. There is no chance the president is going to be removed from office. My hope is that there wont be a single republican who votes for either of these articles of impeachment. Yes. So thats not a great tries. I mean the democrats did the same thing in 99 with bill clinton. But theres one question that remains, and that is will there be any republicans that will vote for impeachment. Weve had people around the table tell us that they think may get three, four, five. I think there was senator chris murphy that was on last week. Right. It was pretty surprising to hear. I think he said about less than five people he can count on one hand. Look, it is this deeply disturbing to hear the head of the jury say that he is coordinating with the defendant. Thats essentially what is happening here. Mitch mcconnell is going to have a hard road to figure out. He has some vulnerable senators in his caucus. We are talking about tillis. We are talking about gardner. We are talking about the congresswoman from maine. Susan collins. Susan collins, im so sorry. Can you imagine collins, if collins has to go before maine voters. Exactly. Giving donald trump a pass on extorting a leader and holding up congressional funding for dirt on joe biden. Along with her i mean she is in an untenable position. If she votes against impeachment and removal theres no way she will be reelected. Right. And thats something senator Mitch Mcconnell has to think about because you are putting those vulnerable senators in a difficult place. If your oath is to donald trump and not to the country. I think Mitch Mcconnell will do what a lot of leaders do, and if Susan Collins needs a pass, cory gardner needs a pass, if tom tillis much less likely to get a pass. But lets say if cory or susan need a pass, mcconnell would much rather give a pass to them and explain it to donald trump than be minority leader. He needs 20 though. These are a handful that make vote to make a point for the historical record. It is symbolic. Man, you talk privately to republicans, i keep coming back to someone like senator ben sasse who i viewed as a smart and principled guy until he got a primary guy coming after him for being too antitrump. Does he sit there in the hearing, in that trial and go, nothing to see here . I dont believe he believes theres nothing to see here. I believe some republicans think it is unseemly, it is bad and they dont like it, but theyre not willing to take the step to vote to remove the president from office. Yeah. All right. We will continue this conversation. Majority leader Mitch Mcconnell said this and beal continue to cover that. We do have sorry. I am just getting a couple of different pieces of information here. We have been talking off the air about this horrific story here in new york. A College Student was stabbed to death, multiple times, in Morningside Park and later died after an apparent armed robbery. 18yearold tessa majors was a firstyear student at barnard college. A short time ago our affiliate reported a teenager has been arrested in connection with the crime. Crime has been going up in morningside heights, also in central park this year. Obviously it is something that the police are going to start looking at much more closely, just because of the overall trends. She is an 18yearold freshman from virginia that wanted to come to new york city. She was a musician, studying to be a journalist in fact, tessa. You cant think of a worse story. 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How big will those agricultural purchases be, what about property theft and the enforcement of it. So if a deal could get agreed to by the end of the week, the next tariffs will get delayed. Were slated to take effect on sunday. Were also watching markets on the move in the uk with election results. Last night Boris Johnson won what some are calling a landslide victory in parliamentary elections. The british pound surging in value alongside key benchmarks in the uk. Its seen as a broad mandate from the electorate giving conservatives a path forward towards leaving the European Union. Johnson has pledged to get brexit done by january 31st given that big election victory, so of course china u. S. Trade, uk brexit, all of that making markets move this morning. Dominic chu, thank you very much. By the way, donald is tweeting again nonstop. Donald, we want to thank you for bringing up ratings and morning shows because we of course are having another recordbreaking year. More people have watched us this year than any other year before. I know you said we tanked. No, he said we tanked. I know this is a shock to a lot of our viewers. Youre not actually telling the truth. So thank you for bringing it up because it gives me an excuse to thank all of our team for working so hard. Yeah, we have a great team. And putting together a show that, again, has led us to recordbreaking ratings. Thank you. And Michael Bloomberg is richer. Michael bloomberg, hes so much richer than you, donald. I really dont think youre a billionaire just to be honest with you. I say it just to be polite. You may be worth a couple hundred,01 thousand dollars when you look at all the debt. Lets bring in a former secretary and defense secretary and you, philip, were one of the 21 that left the tory party a couple of months back. It has to be i know youre excited that conservatives did as well as they did last night, but could you have imagined the rejection, and i say the rejection, it was more about rejection of Jeremy Corbyn was as extreme as it was . Well, i think its been very clear for a long time that the British Public wasnt buying Jeremy Corbyns offer and wasnt buying Jeremy Corbyn the man, the antisemitism scandal has hit him very badly. But the offer he put before the british people just wasnt credible. British people want to believe in a Brighter Future but theyre not stupid. When theyre offered proposals like a fourday week with wages for five days, they know that that is not a credible offer to them. So i think what we saw last night was a great victory for the conservative party, of which, by the way, i remain a member. And it gives Boris Johnson the political and moral authority to shape the future for the uk. It allows him to break out of the straitjacket that his predecessopre predecessor was in being beholden to the hard core of activists on either side of the party. Hes now got a mandate to allow him to map out his own path if thats what he chooses to do. So katty kay is with us and has a question. Mr. Hammond, do you think in this argument about whether there are lessons for the democrats here in 2020, does the labor partys loss relate to Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders . It feels like to me that in a mature democracy, the electorate is wary of extreme leftwing political programs offering people all sorts of good things without explaining quite how theyre going to be paid for and how its going to work. Weve seen the british electorate effectively reject an everyone can have prizes offer, and take a more sober course. I think there is a lesson there for u. S. Politics. Certainly i know there will be plenty of people wanting to draw that lesson and get behind it. You want britain to stay in the European Union, you worked for that when you were in government. It looks like were going to leave now. Do you still think its going to be bad for the british economy . Just to be clear, i have always accepted the referendum result, that we have to leave the European Union. The issue is about how we do it. Leaving with a deal, recognizing the fact that the uk economy is very closely linked with the European Union economy and that we need to have a continuing trade deal that gives us mutual access to each others markets. That is the key. You know, i got i lost the conservative party whip because i was involved in a parliamentary maneuver last september to ensure that we could not leave with no deal at the end of october. Im very glad we did that because i think we are now in a much stronger position where Boris Johnson with this kind of mandate is in a strong position with sit down with the European Union. We will leave during january. Hes made that clear, and he has to do that. But the real question is what happens next . What does britains relationship with the European Union Going Forward look like . How does that affect the possibility of a trade deal with the United States . And more broadly, what is britains future role in the world as a mediumsized economy outside of the European Union bloc at a time when the world looks as though its polarizing into big power blocs. How does a country the size of the uk make it successfully on its own . Thats going to be a big challenge for us to debate over the next year or so. Philip, i know you were a former conservative member of parliament. Im just curious about the labor party. Clearly they had a devastating loss. Where do they go from here . What does next look like for them . So the obvious answer is the labor party needs to pivot back towards the center of politics. The British Labor party in modern times has been at its most successful under tony blair when it was a resoundingly centrist party. Theres another agenda taking shape here and its the same in the u. S. , with the left looking to reinvent itself as the answer to the Climate Change challenge. The sort of red green message that some of the some of the prescriptions of the left can be applied to the questions of decarbonization of our economy, how we make our economy more sustainable in the future. If i was a labor politician, i think i would be looking at the result last night and thinking to myself there are two ways to go here. Either we pivot back towards the center of british politics or we find a new left message which is a green message more than a red message. Philip hammond, thank you very much for joining us. Fascinating perspective. Joe, in our final moments, why dont you sum up the week and what were looking ahead to. Well, i mean too much to sum up in a weeks time. Its interesting, Richard Haass came on earlier today and said donald trump may have had his best day yesterday. But it doesnt feel that way for donald trump, who is only the third president in American History whos going to be impeached. And as peter baker said earlier this morning, while some republicans like to convince themselves that this has been great for donald trump politically, it stings personally, has made him angry. Thats why hes firing up the tweet storms that hes firing up. So many tweets. But we finish this morning what was cut off abruptly last night. And that is just moments away. That does it for us this morning. Hallie jackson picks up the coverage right now. On a very busy morning. Thanks to the both of you. I am Hallie Jackson with history on hold, at least for another hour or so. We are watching the house Judiciary Committee where members got at best just a few hours of sleep, are expected to vote on articles of impeachment once they get back together at 10 00 this morning. You can see that live shot there. This is after a marathon 14 hours of debate that was supposed to lead right into that historic vote overnight. As it tiptoed closer to midnight, chairman jerry nadler decide it was too late to keep