great britain, they were our best allies. most loyal -- so since he doesn't read history. >> no. >> except, of course, some people say he had hitler's diaries on his bedside table. i don't know if that's true or not, but he doesn't read this history. that's for sure. >> no. >> and says that we get nothing and have gotten nothing from germany? >> he vouched for vladimir putin. mocked the #metoo movement. disparaged john mccain and bush xli. lied about his election win. his crowd size. always lies about crowd size. >> he does. >> the border wall. the budget. the media. wages. there's a compensation issue. >> there is. >> it's like a really sleek sports car is what a big crowd is to him. >> a hummer. >> and as he said, being presidential is much easier than what i do. >> look what i just said, did what mika did when she tries under me when i'm trying to do something. >> it's the subtext of the show. >> it is subtext. >> choose your own channel. >> exactly. while watching the same one. it's fine. >> and standing with us is -- ayman. >> well, we made ayman stay. >> i tried to talk to ayman when he was on his show a few minutes ago. i can't talk to you while i'm doing a television show. >> a really good impression. >> that's exactly -- >> how it sounded? >> i have to work on my delivery. >> and it's staccato. >> talking about it in the commercial break. he gave me -- >> i tried to do it in the commercial break. >> we like to do it now. do it now. so, today, without a doubt, the biggest day so far in the world cup. a lot of fun. uruguay and france. who do you like? >> france. more experienced, younger team, come back from behind victory against argentina kind of lifted their confidence. plus just playing with so much energy and excitement. going with france on that one. >> yep. jonathan? >> also going france on that one. >> white house reporter for -- >> france. >> good choice. >> mika speaks french. she'll go with french. >> same here. >> and by the way, this is a shock. a lot of the smart people are going with uruguay. which means we're probably all wrong. >> possibly. we'll find out. >> that's happened before. so the second game. holy moly! >> probably the closest you'll get to a final. >> belgium. as good as it gets. what do you think? >> i'm going with brazil for the simple reason they have the experience of playing at this level, understand the pressure. this is belgium's first crack, i guess. made it to the final four, if you use that expression, semifinals. with this team, the experience and stamina to get through. belgium showed a little vulnerability against japan going down tuesday but you can make the argument they came back demonstrated strength. >> france will be your world cup champion, i was told. >> winner of that bracket, that match, the ones that lose eventually to england. >> i'll differ here. i like belgium in this one. i think the momentum from that comeback i think it's going to about great match. i agree, the eventual champion may come out of this one but belgium. >> belgium i. say belgium because of the tunisian we talked to yesterday. >> you spoke to my wife yesterday? >> everyone talks to joe about soccer. i'm allowing this conversation to ge on more than 30 seconds but we do need to get to the news. >> the problem with brazil is, you don't know how good they are. they've had a -- had a good match here or there. they're also the team that lost 7-1 to germany. >> yeah. and struggled against switzerland, opening round. >> and that 7-0 loss at home. struggled against switzerland. a team, really still in a rebuilding sort of -- rebuilding from the greatest sort of, just humiliation in brazilian history. i think belgium's the most complete team. >> probably. probably. i mean, i think belgium probably is the better team on paper but i'm still going with brazil because it is brazil and they have the ability to bring the all-stars when push comes to shove and lost 7-1 and know what's on the line, at stake. a new coach. seems to be a very philosophical guy. >> yelling man. very philosophical. appeals to coach little league? >> or you're going to be eaten! >> like "saturday night live." >> he's a 9-year-old. >> what are you looking at? >> no. i'm serious. i have video of this and will show you. ayman have a good weekend. that's my -- >> thanks, guys. >> what are you going to watch? >> no! >> watching at the airport. actually flying out to ohio. >> sounds -- >> on my phone. never miss a game. >> okay. ayman, thank you. president trump held a campaign rally in montana last night. i mean is that what you call it? giving a speech riddled with falsehoods, lies. once again lying to the crowd that he won states that even ronald reagan could not. take a listen. >> reagan had his big win. he won every state except one. the great state of wisconsin. i won wisconsin. first time -- first time since dwight eisenhower in 1952. >> okay. willie, what do we have to do? like, we keep -- like, this is idiocrasy. like, trump is watering the lawn with gatorade now. outside the white house. he did not -- that's just wrong. >> and said with such authority. by the way, repeated. he said it before. he wanted it to be true so he says it over and observver agai >> and knows he's lying because he's heard time and time ghaaga that he did not win wisconsin. he's lying to that crowd and they're cheering for him. reminds me of the time i pushed neil armstrong out of the way and i said, don't worry. i got this. where's that flag? and they all cheer. no! it's wrong. >> the first time he said it, you could sayegher innens of history, anyone who follows basic politics knows, but when corrected about it, watches tv, knows it's wrong and says it again, now we're talking about something different than ignorance. >> when you lie so much it shows you're covering for something. >> no. it just shows he thinks if he lies enough he can numb everybody. so they'll stop doing things like -- >> the crowd size is huge, when it's not, he says. presidential candidates won wisconsin seven times in elections after 1952, including reagan. who won it by nine points in 1984. >> wow. >> that year ronald reagan won 19 states that trump did not. >> ouch. >> captured nearly 59% of the vote to trump's 46%. >> oh! >> and reagan won by nearly 17 million in the popular vote. >> there's a difference right there, susan. >> and trump lost. >> reagan got more -- >> by nearly 3 million. >> -- votes than his democratic opponent by almost 17 million. donald trump got almost 3 million votes. >> negative. >> less. >> yeah. it's -- he really should do a little more homework and prep, i think, when doing these speeches, because -- seriously. the fact that he doesn't care is just so insulting. >> that he doesn't care that he's lying and he knows he's lying, and it doesn't bother him that he is out there speaking to the american public, giving these falsehoods. now, this is a small example but really representative of the president we have in the white house. >> jonathan lamere, though, people in the audience are cheering for his lies, and so many times know he is lying. like what is this? is it like -- is it like a rock concert or like an act where he's just delivering lines and -- they just like the lines that are being delivered even though they know he is lying to them? >> yeah. a couple of things going on at once. donald trump, since his real estate days, asserted a reality which, of course, is not true. >> hold on. they are -- this is a smaller crowd. do we have numbers on this crowd? >> 14. >> it looks like they had to squeeze the room smaller. he puts curtains around everybody, squeezes them in, pulls them in closer when less people show up. >> we don't know how many but will get a number on that. >> trump, even from real estate days, would assert something is true even though it wasn't and go with that as his reality. that is something he has done throughout and certainly carried it over into politics. in terms of the crowd believing those things, some, yes. it's a rock concert. he says a line. people around them cheer. they cheer, too. trump that the ability to sow seeds of doubt. if he says it, must be true. media says it? they're probably lying, they're biased i'm going with him instead. >> it's deadly serious. >> they can look at history books. we used to mock the soviets for rewriting history, scrub out of facts. maybe this is why donald trump pl loves putin and russia so much. because really, they could just -- really scrub facts, inconvenient facts out of history, willie, and just keep shoving it down people's throats until they start to believe it. >> yeah. i mean, he tells the same lie again and again and again and it's so easy to disprove especially in this case. one of the most famous elections in american history winning 49 states. mondale winning only the state where he was senator. to me the worst part of last night, him going after john mccain, who's dieing of cancer, again, and going after george h.w. bush who just lost his wife and suffering from parkinson's disease and is a great american. and two former presidents. >> yeah. >> it's cruel. >> last night president trump took aim at other republicans including his routine jab at the ailing john mccain for voting against obamacare repeal and voting against h.w. bush's thousands points of light rhetoric about service through volunteers. >> because we are finally putting america first. we're putting america first. you know, all the rhetoric you see, the thousands points of light. what the hell was that, by the way? what did that mean? does anyone know? i know one thing. make america great again we understand. putting america first, we understand. 1,000 points of light. i never quite got that one. what the hell is that? has anyone ever figured that one out? put up by a republican. >> about service and giving back to the country. jon meacham, wrote the biography of george h.w. bush, well, mr. president, since you asked, illuminated by better angels offered by a man who gave his life to the service of that nation talking about president george h.w. bush. >> and mocking mccain, who's fighting for his very life right now and susan, 1,000 points of light, it was -- said by a man who dedicated his entire life to actually fulfilling what he believed his responsibility was to help other people. >> and his responsibility. he was -- i mean, he served in a war. he served his country. he never stopped serving his country in many ways after he was president, and for president trump to dare go after him, especially at 94 years old, it really just turns my stomach. this is someone -- >> painful. >> it's painful to watch. this is the president of the united states going after people for a punchline. that's disgraceful. we should expect more, and just to add ton that, he attacked th press exactly days after five people lost their lives. >> were shot dead in a newsroom. mika, we were talk about donald trump. we have. but, again, at what point is there decency in the crowd where people stop cheering when he mocks a man who has brain cancer and who is -- again, fighting for his life? a losing struggle for his life. or george h.w. bush. a man who fought in world war ii. was shot down by the japanese. served america overseas as ambassador to china. opening up that relationship. served as ambassador to the united nations. was a congressman. was a vice president. ronald reagan's vice president. was the man that helped win the cold war along with reagan. was the man who got the message that the -- the berlin wall was falling and figured out how to keep this world at peace. was the man who was president when the soviet union collapsed on christmas day in 1991, and he did nothing but serve his country tirelessly. again. i'm not shocked by donald trump doing this. donald trump doesn't understand this, because he is the most selfish man who has ever sat in the white house in his life. >> wow. >> personally, politically, professionally, you name it. there's overwhelming evidence to prove that. this is about the republicans. >> exactly. >> that are sitting in the crowds, that voted for george h.w. bush in 1998 and 1992 and voted for john mccain in 2008 who are now sitting there laughing at two men in their final days. what does that say about their character? forget about donald trump's. >> that crowd, 6,500 people. >> well, they must have found the 6,500 meanest people. >> there are a lot of people who want to go see the president of the united states and feel special to hear from the president. >> but -- but -- but why do you cheer at him mocking a guy -- talk about john mccain right now. a guy who was captured, was a prisoner. while donald trump was playing ping-pong at ivy league socials, john mccain was getting the hell beaten out of him. so much so that he can't lift his arms above his head. >> yeah. >> they thought he was dead. they gave him and opportunity to leave, he refused to do so until all of his band of brothers could leave with him. john mccain had a chance to come home. >> an american hero. >> he said, no. i'm not leaving until my band of brothers leave with me, and that's who donald trump, the draft dodger -- >> it's cruel and sick and it's everything that we're feeling here, but i think it's also worth noting that there are people whose life experience and service to our country, who are saying that this is something worse. look at madeleine albright's book "fascism: a warning." look at what happened last night at this rally. this is 6,500 people cheering on lies. they are being desensitized as they laugh at those who served our country, who are dieing right now. and he's bringing them along. and you could argue, this is something much more serious that is happening. without being hysterical about it, but we have to look at it straight in the eye. president trump also launched and attack at senator elizabeth warren a potential 2020 rival and appeared to mock the #metoo movement while doing so. >> let's say i'm debating pocahontas. right? i promise you i'll do this. i will take -- you know those kits they sell on television for $2? learn your heritage! >> in the middle of the debate, when she proclaims that she's of indian heritage, because her mother said she has high cheekbones. >> we will take that little kit and say, but we have to do it gently. because we're in the #metoo generation. have to be very gentle. and we will very gently take that kit and we will slowly toss it, hoping it doesn't hit her and injure her arm. even though it only weighs probably 2 ounces. and we will say, i will give you $1 million to your favorite charity, paid for by trump, if you take the test and it shows you're and indian. you know? and let's see what she does. right? >> oh. >> so senator warren responded last night on twitter writing, hey donald trump, while you obsess over my genes your administration is conducting dna tests on little kids because you ripped them from their mamas and were too incompetent to reunite them in time to meet a court order. maybe you should focus on fixing the lives you're destroying. >> wow. >> and the pocahontas line. >> it's one. greatest hits, if we call it a rock concert that people are going to say, but the way he talked about the #metoo movement, which is over the last year or so is a collection of women who have gone through horrific things in their lives. truly horrific things and had the courage to step forward. i know nothing matters to him and words don't matter and everything is like sky writing, evaporates after he says it and he doesn't worry about the consequences, were ut we saw in the background eyes rolling, if you look at that clip. is there anything in here where you could say that's a bridge too far? does he care? >> between the campaign and then the rallies he's held since taking office, i've been to a hundred or more of these, and it almost surprises me i can still be surprised. >> yeah. >> and this was one of those moments. yes, the attack on elizabeth warren for the pocahontas thing is as you said, in the repertoire. he breaks that out most nights. but to go to the #metoo movement, of course, you just said, meant so much to so many people. >> what about his background? >> and donald trump is someone accused of sexual assault. we have heard on the "access hollywood" tape brag about grabbing women without their consent. >> he has bragged, make no mistake about it. bragged, his own tape about sexually assaulting women. >> also comes on the same day the hire of bill shine becomes official. bill shine ousted from fox news for helping cover up allegations of harassment and so on. he viewed it as a punchline. made a joke of it. as senator warren pointed out to have it when dna testing is so in the news now becausehis administration has botched his scenario at the border, separating children from their families, and now having to use dna to try to reunite them. >> you know, i wonder -- >> talking about that in the next block. >> i do wonder why people that used to call themselves conservatives, laura ingraham, sean hannity, people who used to claim to be republicans, but aren't. are not even close. i guess they never were. i guess it's about being and anti-liberal instead of being a conservative. i wonder what people like that just sit back and while -- donald trump is mocking john mccain, while donald trump is mocking george h.w. bush, after all they've given to this country and after all of those people and other republicans, to sit back and say nothing. it's so funny. some of these same people would attack me in realtime after i said, like, george w. bush lost the first presidential debate. laura ingraham the next day slamming me. how dare you say that about george w. bush. >> oh, my -- >> sean hannity attacking me for going after george w. bush. how dare you tear the president of the united states, you left winger. you've become a liberal. no. i'm not -- see, it doesn't matter who's in power with them. they're like alan dershowitz. like moths that go to the flame. so if george w. bush is president of the united states, they attack anybody, like me, who is attacking george w. bush for spending too much money. for running a deep debt. and i remember mitt romney. i said like around labor day in 2012 that mitt romney was going to lose the election had a horrible campaign. get absolutely castigated. mika can tell you. my twitter feed ran nonstop and a lot of these same stooges that would just sit there, how dare you attack mitt romney and then, boy, do they turn on -- so they're not conservatives. they're all about power. all you have to do look and see. the -- the people that they bowed and scraped to before, george w. bush. george h.w. bush. it's all on tape, by the way. i just want you to know. it's all on tapes. it's all in the transcripts, just like with me. everything i've ever said all on tape, on in the transcripts. so the very people that were, their alan dershowitzs on talk radio, protecting the powerful, even when it was indefensible. now they're sitting there reveling at these two men as they lay dieing. >> well -- >> what does that say? what are they? because i don't -- do you call them -- they're not -- we know they're not conservatives. there's nothing conservative about donald trump. is it just anti-liberal? trolling liberals and not having an agenda of your own or just about power? >> definitely power and something they've never had before. a pliable president. he gets molded around into whatever they're looking for and they love that. they love they could just have another kind of tv star, pliable issue that you just go and speak to him and he kind of changes his position if he wants to. >> but is the cost of that, cheering on the mocking of an american hero who gave his all in vietnam while donald trump had five deferments and on the day he graduated from penn i think 40 americans died in vietnam. is that the cost that? i don't think the cost is that. i don't think you have -- to mock a man who is dieing of brain cancer. i don't think you have to mock george h.w. bush. a man who -- gave us everything he had. from being shot down in world war ii to being there when the berlin wall collapsed. >> they take their cues from the president. this is team red versus team blue. red not necessarily republican but just as trump. just trump. that if donald trump, john mccain, george h.w. bush and in that case george bush and jeb bush, why this is linked. because, like, they never supported him. he views them as the enemy. therefore, no matter what physical state they're in, decorated the resume, they oppose him, he will take their shots and others in the media will follow his lead. >> interesting you say team red versus team blue. i have friends that say on twitter that, you know, joe and i are good friends and he's always been a good friend. we're just on opposite ends of the political spectrum. because i'm a good friend i didn't write back and say, oh, have you become a liberal? because when people come up to me, so, i don't like your -- sorry. when did you become a liberal? because, again, transcripts are forever. i went back just to make sure. cleaning up my house. boxing things up. making a move, and i found some 1994 literature. it's shocking how much i've changed since 1994. fight to balance the budget. fight to reform entitlements. fight for a stronger military. fight -- you know -- of course, abolish department agencies, excessive department agencies. it's the same thing, an obsession on small government. obsession on devolving power from washington to the states. an obsession on all the things that donald trump's not obsessed on. biggest spending bill in the history of the planet. and they sit there and they scrape and bow to it. you've got a guy who's trying to expand the powers of the presidency, and unprecedented way, something that does violence to madison's view of checks and balances. something that we as conservatives always talked about on the campaign trail. but they just sit back and they bow and scrape. they have no agenda. but bowing to donald trump. i'd love to hear it. i'd love to hear them tell us what is there consistent conservative agenda, other than not liking nancy pelosi? because that's not an agenda. that's not what takes us forward into the 21st century. and they're attacking nato. he's attacking germany. he's attacking england. he's attacked great britain, attacking al of our friends and he's embracing vladimir putin, a russian who has tried, according to donald trump's four intel chiefs, to undermine american democracy and it has been an ongoing project by his government since 2014. you don't believe me, fellas? ask sean hannity. why don't you see what dan coats said about it. laura ingraham, why don't you see what mike pompeo said about it. why don't you ask what the fbi director said about it. why don't you ask what all of donald trump's appointed intel chiefs said about it. vladimir putin is trying to subvert american democracy. their words to the senate. and yet donald trump said, what did he say last night? there's nothing wrong with putin? >> says putin is fine. >> putin is fine. >> we're good. we're fine. >> i don't know. i'm still a conservative that -- kind of takes it personally when russia tries to subvert our democracy, but, you know, i guess -- that makes me on the other team. oh, by the way, it's important. free trade, too. >> we showed you elizabeth warren response to trump's attack against her bringing up what his policy of separating families has done to people's lives. still ahead, we're going to get to the latest on the effects of his policy and let you see it. some families finally reunited after days, weeks, months apart. this little girl. she's 8. she hadn't seen her mom in 55 days. >> boy, this was -- heartbreaking. >> and there are new numbers of just how many children were separated from their parents at the u.s. border. there are children waiting to see their mothers or fathers. there are mothers waiting to see their babies, and no word yet on exactly how that's going to happen. plus, michael cohen has a new attorney. >> lenny! >> happens to be former special counsel to -- president been clinton? 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[ crying ] angelica garcia says she threat guatemala to get away from domestic abuse to try to bring her daughter to safety and perhaps be safe herself for once. but once she got to arizona she was separated from her 8-year-old daughter. her daughter was taken away from her and she did not see her daughter for 55 days. no idea where she was. they were just reunited at logan airport and that video goes on for about ten minutes. what i found fascinating about it, the people around her who helped make this happen started by watching tears of joy and then they all started looking down, as the mother wept and went through all the phases of the trauma she had been through in the past 55 days when she did not know the fate of her little girl, and -- it's very hard to watch when you realize that this happened because of policies in the united states of america. >> and i think that's what you saw -- >> i felt like -- >> as the tears continued you saw these people looking down. shaking their head and they're like, wait. this is -- >> messed up. >> this is because of american policy. and i think, by the way, so many conservatives -- >> she's the lucky one. >> -- so many conservatives like myself who believe in a tough border policy. always been more conservative on immigration. on illegal immigration than most of the people, leaders in my party. but this isn't america. it's not even close to what we are as a people, and there are ways to do this. >> and if we could just -- i don't know -- maybe show a little more of that video, because there's also the sad, i think, incredibly damaging trick that the trump administration has played on the american people, because for some reason, some people who work for president trump, including his daughter, are twisting this and actually thanking president trump for moments like this. moments he created. how sick. how sick for someone in the white house to tweet, thank you to donald trump for these reunions. because these reunions, they should have never happened. these children should have never been taken away from their parents. these children should have never been traumatized, held, taken away to different states, put on buses, put on planes, scared. not knowing where they're going. laura ingraham, this isn't summer camp. okay? the conditions for these children are all wrong, because the united states of america should not be separating children from their parents, and leaving their parents waiting in holding cells. making them pay bond just to maybe get the luck that someone will pay their bond. maybe an attorney, who feels that they need to do their civic duty and try and help one of these parents reunite and get them from arizona to maybe new york to maybe see their kid and maybe get a reunion like that. thank you, president trump? how sick. and how twisted. we are doing this with our policy and we are twisting the truth to make it look like the president created a happy day for these people? how utterly sick. this is not where we need to be, and at some point i pray all americans get it, but i get which i see what happened in this rally last night, the people clapping when hears lies, i get that all of you are part of creating a big lie for this presidency, and protecting something that is utterly un-american. >> you know what's interesting is that ivanka trump and others in the administration are doing for donald trump just what he did with kim jong-un -- >> shameful. >> -- first of all donald trump implements a policy where children are snatched from the arms of their parents. and then -- after the chaos ensues, and he pays a political price for it, he changes the policy, and then they congratulate him. >> when a few of them can get back together, but right now we're still waiting on how many? >> over 2,000. >> there are over 2,000 children still separated and you don't know lew to do it? no thank you, for ruining the lives of those many seeking asylum and coming here the way many americans got here, i including, by the way, your great-great-grandparents, my parents. >> and about 100 of these children are under the age of 5. over 100 children under the age of 5 and don't let donald trump lie to you. many are coming here -- seeking refugee status, which is what the united states of america has done for years. donald trump, his own administration had a study that showed that refugees over the past decade have actually earned this country, made this country, $63 million. or is it -- yeah. $64 million. >> uh-huh. you got that right. >> so -- we are talking about ivanka trump congratulating her father for ending a policy that he started that caused so much human misery. it's kind of like donald trump thanking kim jong-un for releasing americans that kim jong-un kidkidnapped. thanking the person that created the policy, created the pain and suffering for reversing that policy. for trying to fix a situation that they created out of just the most cynical motives. donald trump, of course, having our government snatch babies from their mothers' arms. alex, how many under the age of 5? >> 100. >> about 100 under the age of 5 as a bargaining chip for democrats. >> you want to be congratulated for reversing the policy he put in place, under public pressure. what didn't change was the family that had already been separated. the number was 2,000. an important development yesterday lost in the fire hose of news the hhs secretary came out and said actually about 3,000. just under 3,000 children still separated from their families. the question remains all of these weeks later, wooe why? why are they still separated. great to see that moment take place, so happy after 58 days that woman saw her children who was held in conditions under god knows where and god knows under what circumstances. let's go. what about the other 3,000? you said they would be reunited. get those kids back with their parents. what about those already separated and need to be reunited with their parents? >> we say 3,000, that's because the government will not give us a real number. they could not provide us with a number so they know exactly how many children. that's not a rounding thing for our headline. that's really disturbing, we're going to break. take a look at this video. video laura ingraham says is a kid coming home from camp. ivanka trump wants you to believe we should thank her father for this even they he created this situation and this child was separated from her mother and the mother did not know the fate of her child for 58 days and homeland security secretary kristen nielsen calls them law breakers, hope they will get the message and also like ivanka trump twists the truth and says she's not actually using these children at pawns to send a message. we'll be right back. >> after they've already admitted, they do. 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>> well as you saw in those remarks at the top of the show, astonishing from a leader of any sort, let alone the president of the united states, but we're seeing that it reflects his views not only about nato but this ignites the trade war. he thinks the united states is getting screwed by these countries. he heads out for that summit that you mentioned next wednesday and thursday in brussels. they know that it's going to be a chance for him to attack them, and then vladimir putin is licking his chops waiting for that summit the next week. he's going to be getting the love from trump. so it's the contrast between those two pictures that so concerns them and when we talk to diplomats from western countries, from allied countries, they say that there's no real foreign policy, no real diplomacy coming from the united states because there's no could herren story. the president going out saying things that he thought for 30 years, and have now they have to -- they have to counter act. why it matters? axios says why it matters? whose watching? asia and president xi of china, like the weakness that the west showing that's an opening for china. >> like most things president trump talks about these deals like it's a real estate transaction in new york city and if it's a bad deal we're walking away it from. you mentioned vladimir putin and what a favor it is to him that one of his goals is to peel apart the western alliance like nato. >> countries like uk and germany are appalled the summit is coming at all. then the nerve agent in england. the continued evidence of russian meddling here in the united states. it's an agenda where president trump is going to be under pressure to be confrontational and we've never seen a single sign that's where he's headed and behind-the-scenes we're told that the administration is giving assurances to the nato countries and to our allies, but they say we don't know if he speaks for the president. we don't even know if he'll say the same thing he did the last time. we've seen astonishing letters that he sent ahead of time, sort of rattling their cage. and so next week we're going to see a pivotal moment, the history of the trump presidency, the change in europe will be one of the most important things that happened. >> the worse fear for all in nato for trump to say u.s. article 5 protection is contingent on those countries paying more into the deal. mike allen, thank you as always but especially on a friday. >> happy friday. onthan, you're going over there. what's it going to be like? what is the energy going to be like given what president trump has said in the last 24 hours. >> so much how president trump handles these foreign visits and the reception he gets. the tone of set on his first trip last spring where he was treated like royalty. he's not going to get that on this trip. the nato summit comes -- remember last year he did not explicitly endorse article 5. it only came later on. we'll have a very frosty reception at nato. he's then going on to london where he's expected to be greeted with massive protests. he's not going to get a royal lavish state visit welcome. there's a trump baby balloon floating overhead throughout all of this. then he moves on, after a weekend of golf in scotland to helsinki to see president putin, presiding over the world cup final the night before and a lot of european allies as mike said are terrified as to what mood trump will be when he gets there and what sort of deals he can make with his russian counterpart victory. >> russia's victory 2-1 you saw there. once again, he's not going to have anybody around him, right? no americans are going to be there? just going to be putin, him and an interpreter. >> he has a series of meetings scheduled with putin. the plan for now is the first one him and putin, much like he had his initial meeting with kim jong-un, just the two men in the room with interpreters. >> stimulus ahead after more than a dozen investigations and months of scrutiny, epa chief scott pruitt finally steps down. plus he blames everybody else but himself. 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of course not. they are thinking of their own fate and people surrounding them. >> michael warren, you wrote yesterday about the departure of scott pruitt. he had a really active, you know, year and a half complete with -- >> lots of determine -- >> fancy lotions and maxwell smartphone booths. yesterday i couldn't believe it. some people called themselves conservatives coming out and saying we got a bum deal, he's a good man, a good christian, he got a bum deal. it was a hell of a deal he got. but he never ended up getting that chick-fil-a franchise for his wife did he? >> no, but he has a lot of time now. maybe he can pursue that. look, i think that there's this feeling among conservatives. i think rightly so that, you know, folks in the mainstream media certainly liberal environmental activists were out from the beginning to get scott pruitt because he was going to be undoing a lot of policies that they held dear at the epa. on the other hand, i don't think anybody in the mainstream media and certainly nobody in the environment that's left forced him to do all the things that i think led him down this path. i think the ultimate sort of point that ended his career at epa was the fact that you had former aides and these are not, you know, epa lifers and certainly not people on the left, these are people who are trump appointees, appointees of scott pruitt himself who left the agency, speaking to congress and saying this is what pruitt was doing. it was wrong. that was really the final nail in the coffin. that was just earlier this week that all those conversations with congressal investigators were released and the writing was on the wall if you talk to people as i have that have been following this. >> it's worth pointing out it wasn't the media that ran scott produce identity out of town. the media was reporting on leakers who worked alongside scott pruitt who called the press again and again. >> willie, this is a guy who put a tweet out yesterday saying, i wrote to the president, your grace, and yet i believe that happened. i believe that happened. i believe god's hand is in the united states history. but i believe you're serving this president today because of god's providence. that would mean more to me if during the campaign scott pruitt hadn't culled donald trump a bully and said he was quote, abusive to the constitution. amazing what power does to people around the president. >> yeah. there's a lot of throne sniffing around when there's power available. >> one way of saying it. >> they are willing to compromise everything. >> sniffing around the base of the throne like dogs. >> that's right. gene robinson, there's so much going on, scott pruitt epa administrator went out of town. about seven hours ago at midnight the trade war officially began as tariffs went into plate. china has already retaliated. there's everything to unpack in montana in the speech last night including this as president trump pulled out an old favorite talking about senator elizabeth warren. let's watch. >> let's say i'm debating possib pocahontas. you know those kits they sell on television, learn your heritage in the middle of the debate when she proclaims she's of indian heritage because her mother says she has high cheek bones. we'll take that little kit and say we have to do it gently because when the me too generation, we have to be very gentle. we will very gently take that kit and we will slowly toss it, hoping it doesn't hit her and injure her arm, even though it only weighs probably about two ounces, and we will say, i will give you a million dollars to your favorite charity, paid for by trump if you take the test and it shows you're an indian. [ cheers and applause ] let's see what she does, right? >> so, gene, not surprising he pulled out the pocohontas routine. what struck a lot of us and a lot of other people flippant reference to the me too movement which had no relationship to when a he was talking about but he found a way to get it in. this man has been accused in the era of me too time and time again. >> me too had nothing to do with anything he was talking about. it's an interesting tell, right, because donald trump sort of slips in references to what's worrying him or what he's thinking about and doesn't want to talk about but talks about it anyhow. somehow i guess that's on his mind these days. maybe another porn star will come out or something like that and he knows about it and doesn't want to talk about it. you watch a performance like last night and you almost think, gee, is this some sort of weird andy kaufman kind of performance art thing that he's doing? is this really, really happening? is this the president of the united states? the answer is yes it's the president of the united states and as you mentioned he's now gotten us into a ridiculous and probably ultimately disastrous trade war with china. there's no reason for this. he's going about it even if he wants to get tough on china, going about it in precisely the wrong way. he's going to cost thousands and thousands of u.s. jobs. he's going to raise prices for u.s. consumers. it's just ridiculous and it's all to feed his -- his long preconceived notions and ego. >> mika, while we're talking about separation policies, a 14-month-old boy who was separated from his immigrant parents at the border and returned after 85 days. had lice all over him. had not been bathed from what they can tell. and there will be a report on that at the news hour. >> 14-month-old. >> excuse me 14-month-old. a 14-month-old boy. separated from his parents. returned after 85 days. my son is not the same since we were reunited. i thought because he was so young he wouldn't be traumatized by this experience but he does not separate from me. he cries when he does not see me. that behavior is not normal. in el salvador he would stay with his dad or sister and not cry. now he cries for fear of being alone. a boy not bathed, held in the united states custody for 85 days, separated from his mother. this news hour report had lice all over him when he was returned. was not bathed for 85 days. and this is donald trump's policy. >> and it's a policy that is echoed in the air waves of fox news, described by one host as summer camp-like conditions. >> summer camp. >> described by the secretary of homeland security as just a policy that if you break the law you break the law. not really understanding the different dynamics between people seek being asylum and also -- >> by the way, mika, think about this for a second. if el salvador see -- seized a 14-month-old baby, kept that 14-month-old boy from his parents for 85 days and was returned in this condition, make no mistake of it, we would not file a protest. we would be sending troops down there. if russia did this, if turkey did this, if the philippines did this, if any country on the planet did this, we would go to the floor of the united nations and rightly condemn those actions. this is american policy under donald trump. >> and -- >> and republicans are doing nothing to find those children. i want to know, because a couple of weeks ago, i said the red cross was not allowed to going. the red cross wrote you back. that's not true. we never said that. even though they said that in a previous tweet. gene, have you heard any news -- has the red cross been able to go into any of these facilities and check the well being of the children? because if they have, i would ask the american red cross how did you let a child have lice and not be bathed for 85 days because the american red cross made a big deal of tweeting back, this is not true, we've not been barred from going in to visit. what is the status? american red cross said they were available to help. they told the trump administration they were available to help. but the american red cross said we can only go in and help if they will let us. have they let them? have they let any organizes go in? >> i don't know. that would be a good phone call to make today to try to find out because -- i'm not aware that the red cross has had access and i'm certainly not aware of anything red cross has said to describe the conditions under which these children are being held. so let's find out. >> gene, isn't this why we have an american red cross. if they have been allowed in shouldn't they be reporting to us every day since people get so much money to the red cross, what is the american red cross doing. what do the children look like? where are the children? we certainly find out during war. we know prisoners of war. >> they were detained. >> we don't know where all the children are. it's astounding. this is not the way you treat human beings, this is the way you treat animals, basically, this is the way ythat donald trump has done. he has dehumanized these immigrants, particularly these brown skin immigrants from latin america. we doesn't want them in the country. he's made them a sort of focal point of his racism and his appalling mistreatment to treat a 14-month-old child-like that. it's just infuriating. >> it's infuriating but it's the president's policy announced by the attorney general in late march. the attorney general then went back on his own words which we can see on tape, he announces it, you will be separated from your children. and then he says we didn't mean for them to really be separated. he pulls an ivanka and said we didn't really mean for them to be separated and then he pulls back again. but it is the president's policy. the secretary of homeland security is saying it's not to send a message but then she hopes they get the message and doesn't know where the kids are, doesn't know where girls are being kept privately. she would get back to us. has she gotten back to us. ivanka trump who was mum on this policy even though she's fighting for women and families and for mothers. then she finally tweets thank you to the president, as twisted as the attorney general, the president's people are all twisting the truth, and thanks the president for pulling back on a policy that has left 2,000 children's lives hanging in the balance. >> aren't we up to 3,000 now? >> hhs updated to 3,000. just under 3,000. >> just under 3,000. and 100 -- what is it, alex? 100 kids under the age of 5. my question is, ivanka trump should have said i'm going to be in charge of leading a task force to find those children and reunite them with their family. >> you bring up a really good point. >> now 3,000 separated migrant kids. they don't know where their parents are. and the ones that are coming back, one had, you know, a 14-month-old has lice. >> melania trump took two trips to the border to ask the questions, how are these children doing, how are they being reunited. are her statements as hollow as everybody else in the administration, or are there answers to those questions where are the children, where are the babies, how are they doing, and how exactly will you reunite every single one with their families. michael warren, conservative, republicans on capitol hill, can they not find the words to ask these questions? >> maybe behind-the-scenes and they ought to do it more publicly. let's be honest about what the truth is here, which is that there's not an easy answer. certainly not with what the trump administration has done is the answer. but you do have the issue that these families are crossing the border illegally. this is a persistent problem. i don't think it's as big and as widespread as the president claims. but i think it requires some sort of serious policy analysis, what do you do? do you have to reform, people are talking about abolishing i.c.e. that's ludicrous. who is apprehended, who has family and children and claims asylum. it's not an easy answer. done seem anybody is trying to think through that and come up with a solution that maintain borders while not doing this horrific famous separation policy. >> it is horrific. again, i'll say it again. as somebody who is pretty conservative on immigration policies and who actually believes that europe, because they don't have a middle ground on immigration policies in the eu, that's what's fueling the rise of the right. been saying that for some time. it's irresponsible and reckless their immigration policies and it has been for years. that said, when ted cruz rightly says we need to get more judges down to the border so we can process these claims more quickly, to end the separation of parents and their children, donald trump says no. not only do we not want more judges down there, we don't want any judges down there. >> he also misrepresent too. he says the plan is thousands and thousands of judges which is not the plan. it's not what cruz proposed. i think there's a thing here -- republicans are trying to figure out a way to work through this but do you have the president at the top who is sort of insistent that he ignores some of those solutions. i don't know what the best solution here is, but you do need somebody at the top, the chief executive and you need people surrounding him. we talked about john kelly the chief of staff. john kelley is very much a restrictionist on immigration and i think a lot of that, he doesn't have a lot of people around him, the president that is, who are able to say, look you really need to reconsider this policy. it's not just steven miller and yon kelly who ought to be advising him. >> didn't kirstjen nielsen work for john kelly. did i have that wrong? she worked for him for quite a while. >> michael, my concern is and i'm wondering if it's your concern, i don't know if you're as conservative on immigration policy. first thing you do as an american when you cross the border shouldn't be illegal. you should come here the way people from pakistan, sweden, peru, from all across the world come to the united states of america. that said, isn't there a fear inside the conservative movement that there is a backlash to this and this helps elect people who are actually very liberal on immigration policy and we'll see a massive swing in this area because this seems to undercut people like myself who are conservative on immigration policy. you can't even have that debate any more without being smeared by donald trump's racist rhetoric and also this inhumane policy towards children. >> yeah, but i think that this cuts the other way as well. i do think that push to abolish i.c.e., for instance which is mindless. there may be some very good ways to reform it, i don't know. i don't know enough about the way doj and hhs work together and maybe they can work together better. the fact that the president sort of lowered the bar here on what is acceptable and able to say look i changed the policy, even though as we know from before that hasn't resolved the problem of family separation. he can claim he's changed the policy. he's able to say and i think with some justification that the left wing in the country on immigration has gone far to the left, abolish i.c.e.. he's going to make the point going into these mid-terms if you like democrats -- he said this on twitter. this is an open border pro ms-13 policy. >> at the same time as you know, even chuck schumer came out saying abolishing i.c.e. was a stupid thing to do and numbers on ms-13 are point what,.013% of the thousands of illegal immigrants that come here. >> look, i agree with you, joe. i think the issue here, though, is when you mentioned chuck schumer, nancy pelosi as well. nancy pelosi was just handed a defeat last week in that bronx-queens district by alexandria occasio-cortez who ran in part on the idea of abolishing i.c.e. and beat the democratic establishment candidate. does seem to me, at least if you're an american watching these things and sort of on the fence, more like you, joe, on immigration but you don't like seeing this policy from the trump administration. you hear something like abolish i.c.e. you think that's a little extreme. we have two parties is going to the extreme. >> i hope children get reunited with their families. that's what i'm shooting for. these kids have been separated from their families because of trump's policy. yes, there is the other end, equally debatable truth that there are lots of different problems with yoour immigration policy that need to be addressed. i'm looking at the problem created by this president and his flunkies that left 2,000 children hanging in the balance. >> not to correct you but i think we're up to 3,000. and you're exactly right. it would be in republicans best interest to do everything they can around the clock to get these parents and these children together. michael, you agree with it. a lot of other conservatives agree with it. then roll up their sleeves and start answering the hard questions of what do we do to discourage parents from bringing children to the border without treating them the way we have over the past several months. michael, thanks for being with us. we appreciate it. hope you have a great weekend. >> you too. >> susan and gene stay with us. we want to ask you about the president's comments about our nato allies and also he's told us like -- he told us we have nothing to worry about with kim jong-un and nuclear weapons. fine. don't worry. said the same thing about vladimir putin last night. we'll talk about that. also ahead president trump openly questions the points of light foundation and the concept of volunteering on behalf of those who have less, mocking george h.w. bush, a guy who was shot down about 700 miles south of japan in world war ii. also he mocked john mccain last night. but since he seems so confused -- >> thousand points of light. >> we'll use george h. w. bush's own words. you're watching "morning joe". we'll be right back. how can we say when you book direct at choicehotels.com you always get the lowest price on our rooms, guaranteed? 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next week. they are going, will president trump be prepared. you know president putin is kgb and this and that. you know what? putin is fine. he's fine. we're all fine. we're people. >> yes. so angela merkel is attacked, saw s susan, glacier, but we're told president putin is fine. we're fine. don't worry about russia. our real problem is germany. and, of course, what donald trump doesn't understand, because there's so much he doesn't understand, but the world has changed. and germany can look east. they can look to china for trade deals. they can look to russia for security deals. for energy deals. they aren't dependent on us if america remains this hostile moving forward. >> you know, it's funny. i've been back and forth to germany several times over the last year and the level of despair, you know, that you now hear from people there. initially there was a delusion this could not really be the president of the united states, the sense he was a laughingstock. that was a year ago. now there's abject soul despair like i've never seen among people who think we're more committed to an alliance with america than the americans are. and to listen to the president of the united states call america schmucks for paying for the alliance, that we found. the idea that we would invest in defense and create a partnership in europe in order not to have to defend the united states at home, and again we're left with this question, why is president trump so obsessed with meeting president putin personally. it's reported they will meet one-on-one. at president trump's request and desire. why? why is angela merkel a bigger enemy of the united states the way the president tells it than vladimir putin, who is, by the way, a career kgb officer, something that president trump didn't seem to realmize in that statement. >> he doesn't like to hear that. also, gene robinson, this is the sort of thing that used to be the stuff of cold war conspiracy movies. you know, this is what we feared back in 1961 and 1962. this was the manchurian candidate, except donald trump doesn't need angela lansbury going around carrying giant cards around to tip him off. there's something and we said it all along that vladimir putin knows that made donald trump come on this show in december of 2015, defending vladimir putin, saying he was a strong leader and defending him for assassinating journalists and politicians who crossed his path. >> yeah. there's something there. we don't know exactly what is it. probably has to do either with his business dealings or attempted business dealings in russia or his activities in russia, or something. but, yes, something that he doesn't want out. this is weird. this is manchurian candidate kind of stuff and it's so dangerous. to destabilize the transatlantic relationship with our closest allies in europe. why? why -- no institution has to last forever but this institution is working. this alliance is working. it's made the world a much safer place for seven decades and suddenly he wants to tear it down. >> hey, gene, it's made us rich. like we're the richest country on the planet. we got a $19 trillion economy. and in large part it was because we did things like nato and the marshal plan. in 1937 we made investments into europe and paid us back a billion fold and donald trump is acting like this, this world order that was established after world war ii somehow makes us suckers. >> in the history of the planet and he doesn't understand -- you know he continues to see economics as a zero sum game, which it is not. after the second world war americans realized, the american government realisticallyi government realized it was in our interest for europe to become prosperous and to become rich and it would make us richer. it has. to understand that, you know, their growth comes back as growth for us and prosperity for us and peace for us. it's not that difficult. yet it's something that seems to elude the president of the united states. >> i want to bring in a correspondent for "the washington post" national security desk. her book "i was told to come alone, my journey behind the lines of jihad" is out in paper back and incredible story, incredible reporting. also at the table, to talk about something that pertains to politics and international security, the co-host of "morning joe" "first look". good to have you both. we first talked to you when this book came out. listening to this conversation, how much does your story, what connections do you see and what concerns do you have moving forward? >> first of all, i was born in germany but born to two parents who came to germany as migrants. i worked as a national security correspondent for "the washington post" and have been covering so-called jihadist movement, terrorist organizations since 9/11, and i spoke to leaders of al qaeda, isis and taliban. what's been going on in the united states but also europe this whole discussion, dakt abo -- debate, who belongs where. migrants looking for children because children have been taken away from them at the border. now also european politicians discuss muslims. this is something that plays indeed into the hands of a terrorist organization. so on one hand we hear people from the u.s. administration, the president saying he's doing all this to protect the american people, to make america safer and protect america. but on the other hand, i can tell you, mika, that when i speak to members and also leaders of these organizations and i've been doing this because it's part of my job, it worries me because i see that they are using all these pictures, and the rhetoric of politicians in the west that becomes more and more increasingly anti-immigrant, anti-muslim in order to send out messages to people and say, listen, you do not belong to this world. this is a wide lens, and as a muslim you'll never be fully accepted as american. this is, you know, it worries me a lot. >> you know, one of the many arguments against travel ban which was upheld by the supreme court is that organizations like the ones that you have been deep inside and spoken to and the title of your book "i was told to come alone" the courage you had to meet with an isis leader by yourself, how much specifically does the travel ban play into their hand? do they talk about that specifically? >> they don't call it a travel ban, they call it a muslim ban, to start with. it's been also a word or a description has been used by politicians in the west to start with, it was called the muslim travel ban, the muslim ban. so in their communications, in their propaganda they tell people look, it's against muslims. that's the first step. and, you know, in the world -- so there's something happening in the united states which i have seen for many years happening in europe. in europe the reason why al qaeda or also isis had been so successful recruiting was because you had a generation, a second, third generation of muslims who were born there and who felt they would never be fully accepted. you mentioned the isis leader interview. he was somebody who grew up in europe and he told me in the meeting that one of the reasons why he became interested in the ideology was because he wanted to be part of the country, of the society he grew up in, but he felt always rejected as a muslim. >> by the way, we talked about immigration policy. one of the real problems, you know, merkel accepted a lot of immigrants in. they are very high minded. i'm talking all of europe. they are very high minded when it comes to letting refugees and immigrants in. they are absolutely terrible and britt stevens talked about this in the "new york times" this morning or yesterday. they are terrible to actually figuring out how to accept immigrants and refugees into their society, into their culture, in a way that makes them feel like they have an investment in this country like so many muslim-americans do. >> yes. well, we mentioned the whole discussion between chancellor merkel and president trump and president trump said a couple of times that he criticized chancellor merkel for her stance that she took during the migration crisis and now the chancellor is under a lot of pressure in germany, the minister of interior is, you know, one day saying he's pulling out of the coalition, he's stepping back. next day he's thinking about it again. so europe is in a deep crisis and we don't know whether the chancellor will actually succeed to bring all the europeans together. it doesn't look like it because if you see what happened in italy we have a minister of interior who was willing to let hundreds of people die in the open sea. we have a totally new situation in this world, europe and the united states which used to be, you know, the places, at the forefront of human rights of, you know, the role models for humanity have totally changed in the eyes of the world. >> by the way, onthan, same lies that donald trump talks about as far as crime at the border, and immigrants cost to america and rise of crime in america he's spreading those lies about germany saying crime is at an all time high. it's at a 25 years low in germany, even after all the immigration. >> he misciteed a survey to make that point on twitter. he's not been shy going after the german chancellor. there's this connection between rise of nationalism here in the u.s. and europe. perhaps fueled by this debate on immigration. one of the leaders is austria. tell me what you're seeing -- talk a little bit about the connections why donald trump might find an ally there and why that's so unsettling to these european powers, these western powers like merkel as trump is about to go over there for these summits. are they concerned that immigration is something he bonds with the far-right and not with them. >> there's a few different things at play here. one the exaggerated threat of terrorism. that's a real problem. when we see a terrorist attack happens the amount of weight a president like president trump gives it in relation to other attacks here in the united states are very different. when he takes a terrorist attack even without knowing the details or facts behind it, he extrapolates these large statements about religion, civilizations, things we have to do. so when you start seeing allies in europe bringing their version of populace leaders who also exaggerate the threat and risk of migrants, of religion, of problems in the middle east coming here, infeastation, the language we hear sometimes that's degrading, then you can see why somebody like president trump would welcome those allies in europe because they are talking on the same wave length, identifying the same threats, they want the same responses which is to shut down and ban people from coming in. to joe's point there's definitely a difference between how america has integrated muslims over the decades and centuries compared to europe. but hats now different the recognize, outgoing rhetoric from america towards the muslim world you're not welcomed here. once that ripple effect kicks in and you start seeing law enforcement officials in this country say the muslim commune is being alienated, isolated, that's when things start to break down. that's when communication between law enforcement communities and people will tell you this. that the muslim commune, muslim-american community are our big set asset, biggest allies in how we deal with home grown terrorism which luckily the united states has not seen in the same way as europe as seen. >> not yet. thank you. i think anything is a possibility. the book is called "i was told to come alone." and it is now out in paper back. susan glacier, thank you as well. we'll be reading your dispatch from trump washington at the newworker.com. gene robinson, we'll read your latest column from "the washington post" entitled "trump can't make america white again." we'll talk to one democratic lawmaker who is sponsoring legislation to abolish an agencies but does that idea take the focus off the missing kids? we'll be right back. there's one thing you should know first. i don't know who i'd be without my family. ah! daddy! i'm coming for ya. ♪ skyscraper. rated pg-13. some really sad news to report this morning. information television and radio host ed schultz died of natural causes yesterday at his home in washington, d.c. ed was 64 years old. you might remember from 2009 to 2015 schultz hosted the ed show here on msnbc and then moved on to rt america. schultz is survived by his wife wendy and six children and we wish them the best and our prayers for ed's family this morning. joining us now member of the house foreign affairs committee. good to have you on the show. want to talk about immigration, two parallel stories to ask you about. first of all, you're getting behind a certain family, probably all the families of children separated from their families but a specific guatemalan family. what's the up date? >> first she was able to post bail. she has three children in new york. she was able to make bail. america has a huge heart and people from all over the country are trying to help reunite these families. >> how did she make bail? she has three children. she's separated from three children, 11, 9 and 6. >> groups of new yorkers raised the money for her. $7,500. then she's able to come to arizona and they had a motorcade from state to state bringing her here to new york and have her meet her children for the first time they were separated. that was a real emotional moment. the citizens of this nation have been very supportive of these mothers and fathers. this is just one case where we are able to bring them together. we are trying to get them perm na permanently together. her children are with a foster family in new york city and she's able to visit them on a regular basis. >> she does not even have them. >> one of the reasons it is taken so long since president trump stop the separation, we learned some where under 3,000 children in government custody. why is it taking so long? what will some of the roadblocks to getting these parents and kids back together. >> fingerprints. in order to bring their children back to the family, everybody in the household where the children have to be has to get finger printed. they are taking far too long. the other obstacle is bail. a bail is different for different people. $7,500 for yani who came here this week. some of these mom have to pay more bail than violent criminals pay. >> incredible. >> pretty horrific situations for these families. >> so much of the debate on the ongoing crisis of i.c.e. tell us why that's a good idea through abolish it rather than calling for some sort of reform or modification to the agency >> i.c.e. have become a run away train. it has detoured from its original mission. the jurisdiction that the agency has is very broad and combat terrorism. it is paying more attention on mothers like yani than criminals impacting negatively the quality of life in our country. the legislation says we'll do away with it by the end of the year but in the meantime we'll establish a commission that they'll put forward, our recommendations as to which agency, we already have that model. we have atf. and other agencies exclusively concentrating on one area. i.c.e. should be concentrating on immigrations. >> we know basically there is no chance of that legislation passing since you are in the minorities and with the republican majority so what can you do working with your colleagues from across the isle to help these families now. i.c.e. is a big issue and i understand your concerns there. where can you find consensus. >> we put forward the keep the families together act which is a piece of legislation that'll help keep these families together. >> some of them will come our way. one of the reasons you see the administration back paddling because many are so uncomfortable of what's going on. similarly to dreamers. 85% of americans support dreamers staying here in the united states. red states and districts, many of my colleagues are concerned of the status. no one is comfortable seeing or hearing a child cries for their parents in the middle of the night. that's not who we are as a nation >> the scenario is said. the problem is the white house begins to move forward and tries to put an attached toxic provisions to immigration reform that makes it very uncomfortable for anybody reaching the agreement. doing away with 40% illegal immigration and undoing family unification. these are things that's put under the table when we want to fix dreamers. there are many republicans that are willing to move ahead with us. >> or give them the law to try to work with him. >> congressman, you will have a new colleague come this fall, cortez, i will ask you the same question we asked her on the set the morning she won. what should democrats learn from her campaign and message? >> she's obviously running a very good campaign and someone that has progressive values. i happen to share some of those values and i have similar history except i ran twice before. >> she got it the first time. we served together in the state assembly. and now she's coming in, i am looking forward to wondering with her and sharing ideas that she has and other other manners that's important to the people. >> she made a lot of promises, full employment and all the way down the line, are those realistic, is there a way to pay for those? >> mario cuomo used to say you can't pay in poetry but you govern in pros. how come that batter is unable to hit the 100 miles per hour fastball. when you get into play, you see the fastball coming at you of the -- he was able to win a historic election and she brings fresh, new ideas and we should embrace it. >> easier said than done. >> congressman adrian adriano espaillat, thank you very much. still ahead, president trump made a lot of statements last night including some that are true and we'll run through many that are not true. >> and john meechum is responding another president's attack. first, donald until his own word. >> a thousand points of life. what the hell is that? >> i have spoken of a thousand points of life. of all the communities and organizations that are spread like stars throughout the station that are doing good. >> the idea is simple. just as a sailor can find its way being one shiny star, a life can be changed. >> a thousand points of life. i never quite got that one. what the hell is that? acting presidential is so easy. for me it is much easier than what i do. if yor crohn's symptoms are holding you back, and your current treatment hasn't worked well enough, it may be time for a change. ask your doctor about entyvio, the only biologic developed and approved just for uc and crohn's. entyvio works at the site of inflammation in the gi tract and is clinically proven to help many patients achieve 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nato. germany pays 1%. and i said you know angela, i can't guarantee it but we are protecting you and it means a lot to you than protecting us because i don't know how much protection we get by protecting you. i meeting with president putin next week, well, president trump, be prepared, you know, president trump is kgb and this and that, you know what? putin is fine. he's fine. we are all fine. we are people. the world according to trump. >> so he says we get nothing from germany. >> from 1947. 1991, we are in the front lines in our fight against soviet russia. they really were along with great britain but they were our best allies. >> yeah. >> so since he does not read history except of course diaries on his bedside table. i don't know if that's true or not. he does not read this history, that's for sure. we get nothing and gotten nothing from germany. >> he vouched for vladimir putin. >> he mocks the me too movement. >> he disparaged john mccain and bush 41. >> he lied about his election of his crowd size. he always lies about that. >> the border wall, the budget. >> he's trying to compensate. >> there is a compensation issue. >> it is libut as he said himse acting presidential is much easier than what i do. >> look what i just did there. i just did what micah did. >> it is sub texts. >> exactly. >> we are watching the same one. >> today, the world cup. >> we were talking about it during the commercial breaks. >> he gave me his picks. >> we like to do it now. today without a doubt, the biggest day so far of the world cup, a lot of the fun. uruguay and france, who do you like? >> i am going to go with france, more experienced team and younger team. argentina really lifted their confidence and plus they're playing with so much energy and excitement. i am going to go with france on that one. jonathan. >> i am also going to go with france on that one. >> france. >> all right, good choice. >> we'll go with france. >> by the way, a lot of smart people are going with uruguay which means we'll probably get it wrong. that has happened before. >> that's possible. >> the second game. >> this is the closest thing as you get to the finals. >> it is good as it gets. what do you think? >> i am going to go with brazil of the experience playing at this level and understand the pressure. i think with this brilliant team, they have the experience and stamina to get through. belgium shows a little bit against japan going down on tuesday. they came back and demonstrated they have the strengths in the world cup. >> france and brazil will be the world cup champions >> the winner of that match will be the ones that lose eventually to england. >> i will differ here. i like belgium in this one. >> the momentum from that come back, i think it is going to be a great match. i agree the champions will come out of this one. >> belgium. >> i will say belgium because of the two tunisians that we spoke to. that's why i am allowing this conversation to go more than 30 seconds but we need to get to the news. >> the problem with brazil is, you don't know how good they are and they have a good match. they're the team that lost 7-1 to germany. >> they struggled against switzerland. >> this is a team they're so in rebuilding sort of rebuilding from the greatest sort of just humiliations of brazilian history. >> i think belgium is the most complete team. >> belgium is the better team on paper but i am going to go with brazil because it is brazil. they have the ability to bring the all-star when push comes to shove. they have a new coach, he's a philosophical guy. >> oh my lord. have you coached the little league? >> i have not. >> he's like the guy down by the river on "saturday night live." >> he's the 9-year-old. >> i am telling you. i have videos of this. have a great weekend. >> where are you going to watch? >> i am going to fly out ohio. >> on my phone but never miss a game >> okay, thank you. president trump held al campaign rally in montana last night. is that what you call it? giving a speech riddled with falsehoods. lying to the crowd that he won states that even ronald reagan could not. take a listen. >> reagan had his big one, he won every state except one. the great state of wisconsin. i won wisconsin, first time since dwight eisenhower in 1952. >> wily, what do we have to do? >> this is idiocracy. he's watering the lawn with gatorade outside the white house, that's just wrong. >> and said such authority and he said it before. he wanted to be truth so he says it over and over. >> he knows it is lying. >> i need to ask your brother about this. he did not win wisconsin. there he's lying to that crowd and they're cheering for him. >> it reminds me of a time that i pushed neil armstrong out of the way, don't worry, i got this. where is that flag? they all cheered. >> well, the first time he said it, you can say it is ignorant of history and anyone follows politics knows, when he has been corrected and watching tv and he knows it is wrong and he says it again. now we are talking something different than ig ranorance. >> if he thinks he lies enough, he can numb everybody. >> and believing his crowd size is huge when it is not. >> republican candidates have won wisconsin seven times in the election after 1952 including reagan who won it by nine points in 1984. >> wow. >> that year ronald reagan won 19 state that is trump did not. captured nearly 59% of the vote to trump 46%. reagan won by nearly 17 million, the popular votes. trump lost. >> reagan got more votes than his democratic opponent by almost 17 million, donald trump got almost 3 million votes less. >> negative. >> he should do a little more homework and prep when he's doing these speeches. >> seriously, the fact that he does not care is just so insulting. >> that he does not care that he's lying and he knows he's lying. it does not bother him that he's out there speaking to the american public and giving these falsehoods. it is a small example but it is representative of the president that we have in the white house. >> jonathan, people in the audience, they're cheering for his lies and so many times they know he's lying. what is this? is it like a rock concert or is it like - he's just delivering lines and they like the lies that's being delivered. >> a couple of things that's going on at once. since his real estate day is a surge in reality. >> they are shooting it tighter and this is a smaller crowd. do we have number on this crowd? >> 14. >> looks like they had to squeeze the room smaller. he puts curtains around everybody and he squeezes them in when less people show up. >> we don't know how many. trump of the real estate days, he'll assert something was true even though it is fnot and go with that as his reality. he carried it over to politics. some of them, yes, it is a rock concert. he says a line and people around him cheer and they cheer, too. trump has the ability to so seed of doubt. >> if the media says, they're lying. they're biassed so i am going to go with him instead. >> they can look in history books. >> we used to mock the soviets for rewriting history. >> they would scrub out facts they did not like history. >> they really -- they can just really scrub facts, inconvenient facts out of history and keeps on shoving it down people's throats until they believe it. >> he tells the same lie over and over again and one of the most famous elections in the country winning four different states. to me the worst part of last night and we'll get into a moment is him going after john mccain who's dying after cancer again and going after george w. bush who just lost his wife and suffering from parkinson's disease and he's a great american. >> all right, last night president trump took aim at other republicans including his retune jabs at a john mccain for voting against obamacare repeal and criticizing former george h. bush of light rhetoric of service through volunteering. >> because we are finally putting america first. >> all the rhetoric you see, a thousand points of light, what the hell is that? what does that mean? make america great again, we understand. putting america first, we understand. >> thousand points of light, what the hell is that? have anyone figure that one out? >> it is about service and giving back to the country. >> john meacham wrote, "well, mr. president since you asked:it was an image of a nation illuminated." a thousand points of lights said by a man who dedicated his entire life fulfilling what he believes his responsibility was to help people. >> his responsibility, he served in the war and his country and never stopped serving after he was president. for president trump to go after him especially at 94 years old. it really turns my stomach. this is painful to watch. this is the president of the united states going after people for a punch line. that's disgraceful. we should expect more. he attacked the press one week after five people lost their lives in a shooting. >> were shot dead in the news. >> now, you know we can talk about donald trump, we have. at what point is there decency in the crowd when people stop cheering and he mocks a man who has brain cancer and fighting for his life or george h.w. bush, a man who fought in world war ii, shot down by the japanese,ja japanejan nie japanese. he served the united nation. he was a vice president, ronald reagan's vice president. was the man that helped win the cold war along with reagan. he was a man who got the message that berlin wall was falling and figured it out how to keep this world at peace. he was a man who was president when the soviet union collapsed on christmas day in 1991. he did nothing but served this country tirelessly. donald trump does not understand this because he's the most selfish man who ever sat in the white house in this life. . >> still ahead on "morning joe'." the me too movement and the millions of women that says "time's up." you are watching "morning joe," 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does. >> senator warren responded on twitter, hey, donald trump, while you are obsessed on my jean genes, your administration is conducting dna tests on little kids because you ripped them from their mamas. you are too incompetent to reunite them in time. >> a collection of women who gone through horrific things and had the courage to step forward. i know nothing matters to him and words don't matter. everything is like sky writing and it evaporates and he does not worry about the consequences. we saw in the background some eyes were rolling if you look at that clip. is there anything where you can say that's too far, does he care? >> between the campaign and the rallies he held since he's taken office. i have been through hundreds more of these. it almost surprises me that i can still be surprised. this is one of those moments, i mean yes, the attack on elizabeth warren, that's in the repertory, he breaks that out most night but to go to the me too movement as you said harassment so much to so many people. >> this is donald trump. >> what about his background? >> donald trump is someone that's accused of sexually assault and we heard on the "access hollywood" tape about grabbing women without their consent. >> he bragged and it is on tape about sexually assaulting woman. >> it comes at the same day. >> bill shine was ousted from fox news. he viewed it as a punch line and make a joke. as senator warren pointed out to have dna testing is so in the news right now because his administration has botched this scenario at the border separating children from their families and now having to use dna to try to reunite them. >> coming up on "morning joe," it is one of those videos where you should not look away. a family reunited but clearly traumatized after being separated by the trump administration at the border. the story is not going away for us on "morning joe," we'll talk about it next. you're headed down the highway when the guy in front slams on his brakes out of 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the united states of america. >> that's what you saw, you saw these people looking down and shaking their heads and they're like this is because of american policy and i think by the way it is so many conservatives. >> she's the lucky one. >> so many conservatives like myself believe the tough border policy. i am been conservative on illegal immigration than most of the people in my party, leaders of my party. this is not america. it is not close who what we are as people. there are ways to do this. >> if we can just maybe share a little bit more of that video. there is also this sad i think incredibly damaging trick that the trump administration has played on the american people because for some reason, some people who work for president trump including h is daughter are twisting this. and thanking president trump frfor moments like this. how sick for someone in the white house to tweet thank you to donald trump for these reunions. these reunions, they should never happened. these children should not have been taken away from near parents or traumatized or taken away in different states and put on buses or planes. laura ihngram, this is not summer camp. the conditions for these children are all wrong. united states of america should not be separating their parents away from their children and making them pay bond just to maybe get the luck that sbun will pay their bond or maybe an attorney who feels they need to do their civic duty and help one of these parents reunite and get a reunion like that. thank you president trump? how sick and how twisted? >> we are doing this with our policy and we are twisting the truth to make it look like the president created a happy day for these people? how utterly sick? at some point, i pray all americans get it. >> the people clapping when they are hearing lies. i get that all of you are part of creating a big lie for this presidency and protecting something that's utterly un-american. we'll be right back. my name is cynthia haynes and i am a senior public safety specialist for pg&e. my job is to help educate our first responders on how to deal with natural gas and electric emergencies. everyday when we go to work we want everyone to work safely and come home safely. i live right here in auburn, i absolutely love this community. once i moved here i didn't want to live anywhere else. i love that people in this community are willing to come together to make a difference for other people's lives. together, we're building a better california. we are back with breaking news, let's bring in dominic chu, huh does it loow does it l? >> the big jobs coming in 213,000 jobs, unemployment rate did tick higher to 4% overall. it was 3.8% the month before that. people are making .2% more between may to june. that represents a 2.7% increase on a year over year basis. i will point out, the rate which some people call it the under employment rate. that's at 7.8%. more people looking for job and 62.9%. >> a couple of industries to focus on as well. >> professional business services added 50,000 jobs and manufacturing added 36,000 jobs and healthcare 25,000 jobs and construction of 13,000 jobs. the notable decline regarding to job losses was in retail where we saw 22,000 jobs lost. you put all of that together over the past two months between april and may, the labor department did raise their estimates or the number of people by around 37,000 jobs. wall street is looking at this as a possible goldielock's era. >> okay, 213,000 jobs added in the month of june. that's higher than the economy expected. this comes against the backdrop of the trade war when those tariffs went into play and china responded. president trump says he got more coming down the pipes. what are the indication of the back and forth between the two giant economies. that's the reason why a lot of folks are paying a lot of attention. the $34 billion worth of tariffs that went into effect for the u.s. against china and then that same exact dollar amount is being viewed as something that's priced in the market which is why the market are not selling off the wholesale on this. what it comes down is the next step for president trump and president xi and china. president trump has threaten that he can go up to $500 billion worth of chinese goods. just to put that in context, the entire amount that china exports to the united states is around 500 some billion dollars nor goods. that was what it was in 2017. the reason why this could be an interesting development is we don't -- we import a lot of stuff from china but china does not import nearly the amount of stuff from us. when we talk about the escalation of a trade war, we have the ability and theoretically the united states in taxing a whole heck a lot more chinese goods than they do for ours. the question becomes what's the next real step here, guys. >> jonathan, we got a statement from china's ministry of commerce. while china refused to fire the first shot. it was being forced to respond for the u.s. quote, "has launched the largest trade war." >> it is pledged to retaliating and we'll have tremendous impact and particularly among a lot of donald trump's supporters. some of the folks in the midwest that he has spoken about and said they are great patriots and they'll understand. at some point, these are people that face a breaking point. at what moment will they say mr. president, you abandoned us. >> president xi is chief for life. he can wait this out. you have the house and the senate. this is a big problem if these wars continue. china will play the waiting game. >> dom, how do we step back on the brink on this? you have two leaders that's not going to link. how do we stop the trade war? >> it becomes to whether or not on how this thing gets resolved on intellectual property. in many ways, a lot of the experts out there, it was china that fired the first -- and they engage in a lot of unfair trade activities. the u.s. was responding to that particular. the issue now is whether or not there can be some kind of a framework for some laws being put into place or other kind of ideas of whether or not we can solve some of those goods and issues. i will say this, guys, if you look at the stock market as a measure, we know how president trump likes to do that. the chinese stock market have fallen a lot by the u.s. market has. their remains to be seen whether or not this is going to be an issue with regards to how much pain each side actually feels. >> meanwhile china says this morning, the report of the united states of the world trade organization today. dominique chu. >> thank you. good to see you. coming up next, does the republican party needs to be destroyed in order to be rebuilt. >> that's the idea posted by matt booth and hoping for democrats to win this fall. keep it with "morning joe." with my bladder leakage, the products i've tried just didn't fit right. they were very saggy. it's getting in the way of our 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how polarizing immigration and the crisis of the border and retirement of the supreme court justice and the fights erupted by that. >> 43% is the average approval rating. he certainly dips for a little bit there and 2017. tl range that he the range that is been so tight and narrow. at this point, i like the president and this month i don't like the president. there is so much sustainability with this president diets all the turmoil. >> it as been 36% and 46%. >> gallthat's his high points. >> with marcus for democrats saying well, that's great, he's only at 43 parse and that's his speech. i think remember bill clinton gotten elected by 4%, right? >> there is a guy named ross perot who was in the -- >> the point is democrats need to worry about a bunch of things preventing president trump from reelecting in 2020. they can take joy frs trump's low numbers. they need to worry first of all about not doing damage to themselves pie getting too far out and alienating that very small cap governor pat mccotego may swing in both directions. we have seen this in the gore race against george w. bush about the risk of third party candidate draining off in a close election of a few p percenption. >> mike bloomberg is talking. i would say more seriously from what i have heard then the past of mounting a challenge against donald trump. there is talk about howard schultz did the same. he wanted to sometime. mark cuban, you name it. any democrats think it is going to be republicans verses democrats and they're not going to be the bye bye girls. >> somebody is going to fill the space in the center and most li like lie with the billion dollars. >> the name you mentioned could pose a serious challenge. look at bluoomberg, he has not pulled a trigger but he might. he made the $80 million commit for the democrat's races. we'll see. >> yeah, checking it out. he and the food steps and steve smith, describes why he left the raindrop party n republican party while it is controlled by donald trump. >> firstly, i throw up my hands in despair. i respect principles to conservatives who are willing to stay and fight to reclaim a once great party that freed this slave and helped to win the cold war. our conservatives continue to support the g.o.p. by pretending that nothing has changed. they asked these political ostrostr ostriches. and therefore, they claim to the illusion that's supporting republicans. wrong. >> the current gop still has a few resemblance to the party of old. it still cuts taxes and supports conservative judges but a vote for t for g.o.p. in november, is also a vote of con flinflicts of int and the debasement of political discourse, the alienation of america's allies, the end of free trade and the appeasement of dictators. that is why i join will and other principled conservatives both current and former republicans, in rooting for a democratic takeover of both houses in november. like postwar germany and japan, the republican party must be destroyed before it can be rebuilt. >> of course, we read the entire column so you don't have to. i think the thing though, again, yesterday i said i laughed at trump's tweets. not because i think it's funny that we have a liar in the white house. a guy that lies so often. it's because what he wants is for us to be shocked and stunned and deeply saddened. the thing i've learned though with my former republican party is i don't know that their beliefs have changed. they're just blindly following the leader. if nikki haley decides to be a reagan conservative and say immigration is the greatest thing for us ever in 2020 and she wins the nomination, then suddenly they'll all be going around with the statue of liberty tie tack. >> okay, so here's the story. the story is we have negative partisanship in the united states. the republican party under trump has become both a party of personality and it is the anti-liberal party. newt gingrich said trump is not a conservative, he's an anti-liberal. the republican party is an anti-liberal party. the democratic party is now an anti-conservative, antitrust party. this is why steve kornacki's numbers that he cited are so hard. these lines are hardened. conservatives are getting enough from trump that they are not going to go over, even if they dislike, you know, his lies and his emolmentes. >> are we lacking -- >> and the liberal hope -- >> go ahead, john, i'm sorry. >> the liberal hope or the hope of the sort of anti-trump movement in the united states that people on the right were going to break away from trump and do what max boot, my old friend max boot, is arguing for. not going to happen. and things like the retirement of anthony kennedy are why. anthony kennedy, you know, sort of the rise of, you know, the cortezes of the party. these are hardening the republican battle lines just as trump has hardened the democratic battle lines. i just think that number, that 43% number is around, you know, in the margin of error what he got when he got elected. and he -- that's where he is. the people who voted for him are staying with him and they're not running in the other direction. >> i wonder, steve, if gingrich's insight was -- i thought it was a clarifying insight that trump is not conservative. trump is anti-liberal. i wonder if that -- does that shut out any hope for these independent candidates that we're talking about? are people going to say i'm voting for my guy because if i don't then i might as well be voting for nancy pelosi? >> i think the other piece of evidence for what john's describing there is when you look at the exit polls from 2016, we have never had a winning candidate for president elected with the votes of so many people who had such a low opinion of that candidate. when you asked people who voted for donald trump, questions about do you think he's qualified, do you think he has the temperament to serve. do you think he's honest. do you personally like him? these questions, some of these we thought were threshold questions. the theory throughout 2016, a lot of political analysts said if he can't be at 50% or above, is he qualified to be president. because hillary clinton was. then he can't win the election. but he still did because people who had that low of an opinion of him looked at the other side and said no, i don't want hillary clinton to be president. i don't want that party. i don't want the liberals. >> does that mean if you're mark cuban and you want to be donald trump, then you have to run inside the republican party to do that? so somebody voting for you will not be thinking they're helping to elect nancy pelosi's party to the presidency? >> if you want to win, you got to do it within the two-party framework. i think the question for cuban or somebody like that looking at the republican side, can you break through the hold that trump has on that party? but look at the other side. look, bloomberg, sent so many signals he's going to run and never has. now if he runs he would do it as a democrat. the middle of the road new york billionaire, the opposite of the kind of trump populism, that constituency now lives within the democratic party. >> so interesting. >> ruth, what do you think about, again, just the tribalism? does it mean that if somebody is going to run, they can't run as an independent? they have to either pick -- they've got to pick a side? >> well, if their -- i think that my understanding of what mayor bloomberg concluded when he was dalying with running in 2016 and before that, was the route to run as an independent was basically nonexistent. i thought he sent an $80 million signal if he ran, he would run as a democrat when he committed that money to the democratic congressional campaign committee to help elect house democrats. but i think the question is in this tribal world we're living in first of all could anybody running as a challenger to an incumbent president, that's an uphill battle. it's an uphill battle when you've got this fervent base, pro-trump. for a bloomberg to run in the current democratic party, which is, if not lurching, trending to the left. it's become more tribal in respond to donald trump. that becomes its own challenge. you end up with two very polarized parties and a bunch of unhappy voters in the middle who were not necessarily satisfied with their choices. that's what we saw in 2016. >> bloomberg may have made this commitment, but there are no rules at this point. look at the president whether really is a democrat. but he runs the republican party. >> one thing that's interesting, the three people you mentioned, mark cuban, howard shultz, michael bloomberg, all very -- come from the conventional business world. if you think what candidate would the business world mount, it would probably not ever have been donald trump. he's sort of in a different category. these are much more traditional businesspeople. and, you know, maybe there's something to be said for that. >> i get it. i've got to say though, we know that howard shultz had to answer to a board. we know that bob eyinger had to answer to a board. what board has michael bloomberg ever had to answer to? >> no, he's, a different kind of board. >> i don't see a lot of people shouting in bloomberg's face. >> i see some great improvements to the city of new york. >> oh, a great mayor. >> a guy who knows how to govern. he knows how to run a city. i would think he could probably figure this out a hell of a lot better than donald trump. >> yes, entrepreneurial. he created bloomberg, you know, out of nothing. yes. >> john. >> any third party -- first of all, the idea that a billionaire businessman is going to be the nominee of the democratic party in 2020, unless that person is, as you know, my candidate, oprah winfrey, unless that person's oprah winfrey, that person is not getting elected, is not getting the nomination of the democratic party. the bernie sanders party. secondly, in 1992, when ross perot got 19% of the vote, the nation -- the size of the center in the united states was much larger than it is now. the polarization -- people have sorted themselves. it's about 43/46, you know, in those camps. any third party candidate that runs, almost any, will hand 2020 to trump. that he will harden his support and the democratic party candidate will have a softer level of support and we saw this in 2016 when the combination of jill stein and gary johnson, i think what was it, 5% of the vote or something like that, went to third party candidates and that was sufficient to hand the presidency to donald trump. you have a third party candidate that is going to impact the democrats much more than it will impact the republicans. >> thanks to this great panel. check under your shachairs. everybody gets a car. >> still on the oprah train there. >> why not. she's not going to run so i will never be disproved. >> fantastic. that's one way to look at things. that does it for us this morning. chris jansing picks up the coverage. >> if you get a ka it's definitely a happy friday. this morning, shots fired. china retaliates against the u.s.' $34 billion in tariffs. saying the u.s. just launched the largest trade war in history. the economy keeps chugging, adding 213,000 jobs in june. although the unemployment rate ticked up. all of this happening as president trump holds a raucous rally in montana, taking aim at some familiar foes, even challenging elizabeth warren to take a dna test. >> we will take that little kit and say -- but we have to do it gently because we're in the me too generation so we have to be very gentle. >> 16th time's the charm. epa head scott pruitt

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