Political writer for the New York Times, and the president , counsel on Foreign Relations and the author of the book world in disarray, and fan of the new york yankees who got swept this weekend by a awfully early to get this going. Wow. Richard high. And our National Political reporter is here as well. You started insulting people. It hurts me. It hurts you. Mike, there was a Little League game that broke out friday night in boston. Yeah. Yeah. Back and forth. Back and forth. 14 runs. 24 runs scored in total. I expected both teams would get popsicles because they played like Little Leaguers. Jack gave up the ghost, and its a wrong season. 162 games. Baseball like life. How was your weekend, mika . It was fantastic actually, but i have been more concerned about whats been going on with these families, and i stayed kind of clued in on it figuring out how to kind of approach this story. And i understand you cant overshoot the runway, but at the same time, we have to say exactly what it is. You cant overshoot the runway. You also also have to keep your head, and i would just suggest and i think David Axelrod even talked about it this weekend. Mike barnacle, when you start publicly shaming people with whom you disagree, and god knows i disagree with the federal governments position, trumps position right now on so many things, but when people cant go into restaurants without being shouted out of restaurants or movie theaters, you know, we have got a problem. When you have got members of congress who are saying, hey. We have to chase them down the streets and we have to scream and yell at them. No. Thats really not how you persuade people to move off the trump train and go more to a reasonable traditional position. And we have also in the process listened to the president of the United States suggesting that we do away with due process. Right. Which is, oh, okay. Its only, you know, the fifth amendment of the constitution, but, you know, joe, the striking thing is when you talk to people, average americans, there are no more political parties. There is only trump. Yep. Its amazing he has blocked so much out because of his its not daily. Its repeatedly during the course of the day. Multiple times during the course of almost any day that he says or does something that used to be outrageous, used to be shocking and now its become kind of a norm. Yeah. Very dangerous. It rises and it rises and it rises and you say, you know, were not going to obsess about him, and he talks about getting rid of due process when it comes to immigration cases and you find yourself in a position where you have got to actually talk about it. Thats the issue. Children seized from their parents. 2,500 infants, toddlers, children, spread out. Reports that a 3yearold actually 3monthold i mean, moved to michigan. 4yearold was put on a bus at the border in mexico texas. Driven up on a bus with a Government Contractor who couldnt touch them, couldnt hug them. Some who didnt even speak spanish, driven all the way up, 2,000 miles to new york city. People dont know what to do, and they are very i mean, i really meant more than ever, people who are visibly upset about what is going on, and i totally understand a very good, honest debate about whether or not somebody who works in the white house, you know, should be shouted out of the restaurant or not. The answer is not. No. But dwelling on it, and the White House Press secretary tweeting about it is completely inappropriate, off topic at this point and pales in comparison to what is ailing this nation. People dont know what to do, so they are doing what they can. They do at the same time, keep your head down and worry about parents. If you were a parent and i had somebody who usually defends trump saying, im not sure at this point, how anybody who has children could not look at this and be moved in a personal way and ask, whats happening to our country . And yet, were going to have Jeremy Peters on later today. Jeremy wrote a story that the more donald trump is attacked, whether its for lying and they admit that he is a liar. Whether its just overt racism where it has gone from a seasoning to the beginning of the campaign to literally the central driving principle of his presidency. You look at the press conferences he is holding and the statements he is making. The central the central defining nature of his presidency now has to do with attacking people who are not white. Look at his tweets. Look what happened over the past week. People understand that too, and yet they go, well, i know. That makes me unrvel ccomfortab they still support him. Its everywhere now. Discussions of infestation that precedes pogroms, and their investment in this man is so deep, and if you look at the politics of racism and nationalism in this country, it is a reaction i believe, from my reporting on this, to the reality that in 20 or 30 or 40 years, this country is not going to be a majority white country. There are people who are fer d terrified of that because it means a loss of their cultural prominence and predominance in the longterm. They are frightened or scared and respond to the racist attacks and they rally to him. By the way, i want to say really quickly, mike, and well get to the news in a second and really look at some of this, but Mike Huckabee sent out a tweet this week. So racist that you even had an awful lot of conservative, christian leaders coming out y saying vander blatt said, what happened to the Mike Huckabee that i know . David french calling right here. This is this is whatever you want to call it. You pick if you dont want to pick lets say parallels to the 1930s in germany, lets just say david duke if that makes you feel more comfortable. But despite this, do you know that the percentage of gang members coming across the border continues to plummet, has throughout the obama years and now it only accounts for 0. 075 of everybody that comes across the border thats an illegal immigrant . Yeah. That, and the president clearly tries every day, multiple times a day, to sell ms13 around us. They are coming to long island and they are in long island. They are everywhere. They are in lawrence, massachusetts. Ms13, its origins in are los angeles. Its orientation is in los angeles, and in the United States of america that they were assembled years ago. But the wider issue here is to nicks point, unfortunately for us, part of our history that we have to address is its always been easy to sell fear in this country. I mean, the attorney general in the 1920s, the red scare through mccarthy, up until today. Its easy to sell fear, and donald trump is a master of resentment, and selling fear. Always has been. Quick question, richard. There were 303,916 total migrants coming last year. According to the federal government. I would assume it was a handful. 228. Out of 303,000. Let me just say for those of you tweeting all weekend, Mike Huckabee and other people, friends and family of mine, tweeting all weekend about how savage that gang members are coming in over the border, according to Donald Trumps government, 303,916 total immigrants came last year. 303,000. Total number of ms13 were 228. Its just, like, the biggest lie of all. But there is a real connection between gang members and immigration, is that the violent gangs in places like honduras, guatemala right. They are leaving Gang Violence to bring their children to america. Thats right. This was on the christian broadcasted network and they wanted to have these governments pay for the fact that so many he said they were sending people to the United States, and that was wrong in two ways. They are not sending people to the United States. People are fleeing for their lives and they are not understanding the risks and uncertainties because they dont want their daughters forced into sexual slavery, and they dont want their sons killed. If they dont want the government to quote unquote pay, they will be less legal for the systems that will contain the problem at home. There is a connection of gangs to immigration, but its the problem there. Heidi, again. Were going to get to this, but you look at the big lie, which is that illegal immigration is at such a there is such a crisis here that we have to build a wall. We have to separate 3montholds from their parents and ship them to michigan and separate 4yearolds from their parents and get them on buses and drive up with adults that arent allowed to touch them, that dont speak spanish, and its because donald trump has been lying for three years that there is this massive Immigration Crisis. There is not these numbers have been plummeting since 2000 which was the peak of illegal immigration in america. There was a high through george w. Bushs presidency, and it declined precipitously through Barack Obamas presidency, and its time to go down. The return to this issue, if its not the numbers, we have an election coming up. This was a very successful tactic for this president going into his election. When he descended those stairs on the escalator and called all mexicans rapistrapists. We saw numbers over the weekend that said tax cuts have plummeted in terms of republican approval. Their strategy is not working. He is going back to the well on something that he himself over the weekend said, hey. This is a good issue for us too. One thing i wanted to note about the lies, joe, and there is so much of this aspect that we can cover at this point, but i was briefed over the weekend on something that i think we need to raise the flag on here in terms of potential lies, and that is looking at the numbers lets stick to the numbers here, okay . I talked to someone who is familiar with the numbers of people who are children who are being classified as unaccompanied. When you look at the numbers, last year, Monthly Average was about 55. Now Monthly Average is about 220, and heres what this person who is very well positioned to know told me. These are families. These are not unaccompanied children coming across the border. This is a massive spike in terms of families who are being separated, and heres the problem. We dont these people on the hill, these aides feel we dont have an accurate figure of the actual number who have been separated from their parents. That 2,000 number only dates back to may. This zero tolerance policy was announced in april, but a lot of aides on the hill say they have good reason to believe that these separations predated the announcement of that policy, and therefore we dont have a full, accurate accounting of the number of children who have actually been separated from their families. Again, 55 average last year. 220 this year, and so they said to me, youre a member of the press. Please, please raise thelag on this and say to all media that we need to start asking this administration how many total children have been separated since you became president . Not since may. Right. And these are the facts that we have to search for every day and stick to and get right. Elise jordan, i say this because it is from our vantage point, all we can do even though this is a very, very emotional issue and its really hard not to get pulled into the magnitude of the problem, but this president constantly tests the limits on the facts and thats a really nice way of putting it, and i have never seen in almost 11 years of doing this show, people come up to me. Not to watch you on tv, but please do something. What can we do . I am so upset. I have never seen such a visceral reaction everywhere i go. Just talking to people who want to do something, who want to say something, which i think is why its almost infuriating to hear the white house manipulate these issues, and even the problem that Sarah Sanders had over the weekend, which is a absolutely legitimate problem, but who cares at this point . It goes back to the anger over plenty of americans know that they are being lied to constantly, and they want the truth. Should someone who lies constantly and enables the president s lies be openly welcomed in society wherever they please . Should they face any kind of social or societal pressure. Im increasingly weighing towards yes, even they im about civility, but there are choices. Sarah sanders has made her choices and she chose to give false information from that podium to the american taxpayers who are paying her salary. Facts matter. The context that we present the facts matter, and this is not going away because we have thousands of children who have been separated from their parents and we dont even know the full mag new attitunitude o. Where are they . She was politely asked to leave a restaurant and her meal was comped. Im not super worried about that in a breach of civility. Its worrisome to me in the longterm that the country loses its ability to talk to itself. If trump drives the conversation to a trumpian level, well regret it down the line. I dont think thats a fivealarm fire. The owner did it pretolitely an said, i dont agree with what you are doing. I disagree. I actually respectfully disagree in civility here. I disagree, and i disagreed when joe biden was, you know, told not to, you know, come into the bakery. One of the first landmark pieces of civil rights legislation was the public accommodatio accommodations, 1964. We fought for the right of americans to be served, whether it was restaurants or hotels and not to be denied on a list of things. Politics ironically enough was not one of them. But what happened the other day violates the spirit of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, and it doesnt mean we shouldnt be focusing on other things. I hear you, but it just seems to me, one. Its counterproductive. I think your point is the big point. This is the descent of america into tribalism, and this is dangerous. One of the things we should have learned the last year and a half is we cant take things for granted in this current country, and things have never gotten bigger than what we can handle in a peaceful way. This makes me uneasy about the trajectory of this country, so i think its serious. I think it comes down to though, the question of how reviewir were viewing the Trump Administration. Is it authoritarianism or is it just a normal presidency . I think that changes how we deal with it and how we look at it and reflect on it. Its increasing author tarnitar authoritarianism, but the focus is its not the Trump Administration. The focus are the 40 probably 42 now. 42 to 45 of americans who support donald trump, and the question is how do they move away from a candidate, from a politician who is using race constantly . Who is lying every day, who is subverting the rule of law every day, who works every day to undermine the power of the federal judiciary . Dont think we do that by kicking them out of our restaurants or in buying something in a fun little engagement i had this weekend. We dont do it by saying if you are supporting donald trump, you are a racist. At the end of the day, my concern is with that 45 , why are they supporting this man . I dont understand it, but i know this. For the rule of law to be protected, for constitutional norms to be protected, for americas role in the world or the protected, for our allies to be protected, and for americans standing across the global to be protected, for free markets to be protected and for our free way of life to be protected, they need to be moved away in my opinion, from supporting a man who is who is so has been so abhorrent. I dont think this will move them. Politics is about making friends. Its about converting people to your cause. How do you do that . Its not running around screaming on College Campuses and in movie theaters and in restaurants, that you are a racist. Get out of here. The Trump Presidency has induced a lot of collateral damage. Principally in the United States congress. The house and senate have been badly damaged to ineffectiveness because of their excessive focus on the democrats part of donald trump and by going overboard comparing the Trump Presidency to elements of nazi germany. It was so overboard i think it turned a lot of people off. The way to do it, joe, in my view, and anecdotally talking to people about it is to simply concentrate, focus on convincing more and more americans that donald j. Trump, president of the United States, is simply not up to the job. Thats it. He cant do the job. Yeah. And eventually, hopefully, for people who want him out, you know, hell prove it even further over the next 18, 20 months. We wish that there could be somebody in there that he would listen to, that his policies could be transformed and he could move. Unfortunately, it keeps getting worse by the day. Its proven. 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