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good morning, it's wednesday, september 20th. we are following a number of stories. president trump was "america first" se u.n. and steps up his warnings to north korea meanwhile, republican as far as see daylight on health care reform. some gop governors aren't so sure about that. the russian investigation rolls on with new details on who's paying the president's legal bills but first, two natural disasters unfolding in real time. rescue efforts happening right now in mexico after a powerful earthquake ripped through that country yesterday and hurricane maria about to slam directly into puerto rico. we'll go straight to meteorologist bill karins with a check on the storm's latest track. bill. >> power knocked out. roof damage done, structural damages beginning as the strongest weekends are moving on shore in puerto rico. overnight, can you see the storm, 124-mile-per-hour winds in st. croix. now the storm is about to make
landfall. let's get into the zoomed in radar. you see san juan to the north here. then the storm, can you see the center of it. now beginning to come on shore here, it has winds of 150 miles per hour. because of what we call an eyewall siej the center weakened last night. it's a 154 cat 4. this is regarded as the strongest storm to move into puerto rico since 1928. this will leave extreme damage. we are concerned what will happen with the northerly path around san juan in the populated area. tammy. you had a wind gust of 92 miles per hour t. wind center was knocked out at the airport. i imagine you are feeling it? >> reporter: oh, bill, we are feeling it. no doubt about that. we had to move in out of the elements a little bit because trees have been falling, debris has been falling on cars behind
us. pieces of roof has been peeled off and so we had to take sheltary little bit out of the elements, but we're still getting it. i can tell you that there are about 500 shelters set up across the island, 50,000 people have taken refuge in them. some people we spoke to told us they are hunkering down in their homes. they've boarded up. hopefully, they are okay. we know there are tourists out here on the island that are trapped. that were not able to get 0u6789 out, that are at hotels, fema set up a command post. $300 people search and rescue from the occupation, they're here, fema will be passing them. as soon as the eye of the storm passes over, they will be making rescues. undoubtedly, there will be rescues to be made. >> to let you and your crew know, have you four hours until that eyewall is expected with
the worst damage. quickly, we are done with the damage in puerto rico by about 4:00 p.m. this afternoon. off the coast by noon. toward sunset hopefully we will get pictures in to see how bad it is. >> all right, bill karins, thank you. we will be checking in with you all morning as this hurricane hits the other natural disaster is happening in mexico. rescue efforts are under way as people race to save people under collapsed buildings following that massive.1 earthquake. it was centered 80 miles southeast of mexico city. official versus lowered the death toll there to 217 after raising it to nearly 250 overnight. dozens of buildings were reduced to rubble if densely populated parts of mexico city and another nearby states. president nieto says 40% of the
what, 13, 14% for its approval rate something. >> yeah. >> they just never learn. it's really incredible. >> how so. >> i talk about putting your hand on the hot stove. yeah, we have been mocking donald trump for doing what only 33% of the country wants, which by the way bumps his approval ratings gone up three weeks in a row for the first time. i wonder why, he's not trying to constantly agra- 200 million people. it's the republicans, they're not on steve bannon's 33% plan. they're on their own 17% plan. every one of these health care bills are horrible. everyone is worse than the last. they're going to do it again and once again, they're saying we are going to reorder one-sixth of the economy and we're going to rush it before we have the congressional budget office giving us a score and say we don't need a cvo score.
we will get to this. it will be a score. we will talk about it for one second. willie, it's unbelievable the so-called conservatives saying we're going to reorder one of sixth of the economy and have no impact what it will have on all of america, on their health care. it is the most radical thing anybody can do. >> remember, they have a real deadline of september 30th. so that's next saturday i believe, it's about a week and a half where they can use reconciliation and get a simple majority and get 50 votes and have mike pence break that tie. they the ticking clock, they will not look at it appropriately. they won't have the hearings if you reorder the economy. few look at the bill, it's not clear to me what they've changed to give someone like susan collins or lisa murkowski who rejected the last bill reason to vote for this again. >> how do you do something that has all of the worst qualities of the last health care bill.
imagine, we play this game, why had democrats had done what republicans had done, imagine what the press would say. mark, we have been doing thatten the years, imagine -- doing that for ten years, imagine if the democrats reorder one-sixth of the xi and rush through it without a congressional budget office, republicans, right wing radio, everybody on the far right would be going absolutely ballistic right now. >> few ask why would any of the republicans who opposed the previous bill support this one when by all indications it doesn't meet their objection, particularly in covering fewer people. it's bus of the dead lean that willie pointed out, a lot of republican donors, some republican activists say this is the last chance to repeal and replace the affordable act with a bill that has not been through regular order and which has a lot of the same problems as the original legislation and be i the way if the senate does this
it's not entirely clear the house would pass the same bill so they may be going through this political torture. >> how can john mccain suddenly decide, oh, mitch mcconnell and donald trump have a deadline? >> 50i78 worried about that. >> so i'm going to have people remember me for passing a healthcare bill that strips health care coverage from tens of millions of people, it's something we do radically without even looking at a congressional budget office, without doing regular order. john mccain was so right when he talked about regular order. that's what, you want to know one of the tension along with gerrymandering that made washington as sick as it's been over the past several years politically? it's no regular order. they get two or three people in a room. they draft up something. then they shove it do down the rest of the congress' and the american people's throat. i highly doubt john mccain is worried about these false dead
loins and is going to let his legacy be that he reordered one-sixth of the economy. >> without thinking. >> in such a reckless radical irresponsible way and i just don't know why my friends in the republican party come back and do the same stupid thing over around over again this year. it's as if they are just destanee vat to make nancy pelosi speaker of the house. >> well, then that would be helpful. now to president trump's -- >> nancy pelosi. certainly not to the republicans that are tweeting. >> which we could use leadership, real moral leadership in the republican party right now as we turn to president trump's remarks to the united nations general assembly, where he held nothing back regarding the ongoing crisis with north korea. >> now north korea's reckless pursuit of ballistic weapons and
missiles threatens the entire world with unthinkable loss of human life. no nation on earth has an interest in seeing this band of criminals arm itself with nuclear weapons and missiles. the united states has great strength and patience, but if it is forced to defend itself for its allies, we will have no choice but to totally destroy north korea. rocketman is on a suicide mission for himself and for his regime. >> the president went on to praise the u.n. security council for the harsh sanctions against pyongyang, specifically thanking germany and russia and also calling on the u.n. as a whole to step up its involvement. >> the scourge of our planet today is a small group of rogue regimes that violate every principle on which the united
feed. >> reaction. >> and it seemed that donald trump doused kerosene all over himself and setting himself on fire. then i started looking at the text of the speech and i saw, yes, very strong language towards north korea. language you and i wouldn't prefer and be used. but he also criticized iran. he also criticized venezuela. he criticized rogue regems. he spoke glowingly of the marshall plan. he talked about dig cheney and richard pearl on steroids talking about the righteous many ago ens the evil few. i would say, okay, so i'm missing something here. then i read you are op-ed later in the afternoon where you said actually you take away the bomb bath, this is actually a fairly conventional speech from a president at the united nations. >> well, joe, i had the same
reaction t. speech had zingers in it guaranteed to kind of send the the news media crazy, we're going to totally destroy north korea. this repetition of the president's new favorite catch phrase rocketman clearly replaced crooked hillary as his go-to phrase, but when you go down the speech, what was fascinating to me the president in his first speech at the u.n. was embracing a legacy of this institution. he mentioned president trueman, really the founding father of that world twice in his speech. he mentioned the marshall plap. >> speed limitary of the marshall plan. >> the building blocks of the world you and i live in. and we've talked together. i would often talk with mika's dad when he was alive about the
danger that this world that was created in 1945 would be taken apart by donald trump and interestingly the speech went in a different direction. it's not to excuse the undiplomatic language. i don't think that that helps. but the substance of the speech tells me that nine months in, he is less determined to overturn the system than we might have thought at the beginning. >> so davgsd i was struck listening to that. yes, it was different than previous president's speeches at the u.n., but it was precisely what donald trump campaigned on, he said,ly defend america first,ly look out first for america's interests, unconventional, yes, but not unexpected i don't think from donald trump. some of the analysis this morning is that the president quote reshaped the u.s. role in the world with that speech. did he really? was it such a big departure from what's happened in this country in the past? >> i didn't think it was, willie. i think what's important is when
a figure who is trying to speak for the masses of americas who think the u.n. is a big waste of time and money says we want to be invested in a united nations that's a community of strong sovereign nations, that's reshaping the balance on which this rest itself, but it's not overturning it. so i read it a little different from some of the other commentators. we'll see. i mean, if president trump is serious bringing the united states back in, for the reform of the u.n., making it more effective. more of a place where problems get solved. >> that will be a significant difference for a conservative and republicans to do that would be a big step. i can't help but think that nikki haley, his fate foreign policy official, ambassador at the u.n. is one of the reasons he's so excited about it, it's his friend nikki's project.
we'll see where this goes. >> mark, i was just going to say, the speech, minus the bomb bast could have been written by secretary mattis, could have been written by general mcmaster, could have been written by ambassador nikki haley. there wasn't the ban none-esque isolation here. there wasn't the tip of the united states, a tip of the hat to the international community and i would just, i don't know, it seems like a lot of headlines at least online were written before they actually heard this speech or digested this speech the way david ignacious did a few hours after the piece. >> both david's piece and the "wall street journal" saw flaws in it but liked a lot of it. it reflected a lot of what the president thinks about these issues and a lot of what the american people would think. american people would like
america to be strong around the world and stand up when american interests are threatened, would like to work with international organizations and doesn't think america should bear all the burden. on forth korea, the long-term goals are to get rid of the weapons, in the short term, there are two other goals, one is to make this not u.s. versus north korea and make it more multilateral. he encouraged the community to join the united states and solve it and deter an initial attack. i think some of this rhetoric david and other have criticize. it's downsized. i think it is meant to deter and attack. i think it may have that effect when the past three presidents have failed in feeling comfort ability about where we stand. this president is shaking it up during a risky way but a different way. >> i will say also one of the headline grabers was he said he can destroy north korea. we can completely obliterate north korea. of course, we were all concerned about that. we should be, he shouldn't have
said that, i think somebody brought up an old barack obama quote, where we talked about we have the weapons to annihilate north korea as well. something you don't want to do. again, it's been done before and politically, again unlike all the other things that steve bannon had him doing where he was just keying into 33% and offending the other 200 million americans out there, this is a speech, whether a lot of people in the media like it or not that most americans would agree with. this is, if not an 80/20 speech, this is at least 60 $40 peach. >> and represents again since i've listened to the president talk about america's role in the world, it represents what he really believes in a way a lot of his speeches don't necessarily do. from the beginning to the end, it's what donald trump's world is, it's a complicated world.
the speech was contradictory, that's a part of the psyche of america's role in the world. >> he definitely made clear he believes kim jong-un will only respond to military force. he gave a nod to north korea, he personally said speaking man-to-man, i will destroy, that's dangerous, it's an escalation and takes it to a place that maybe we don't want to be or haven't been before. i believe he believes the only thing that will respond to north korea. >> i think one of the interesting things in this speech, david alluded to it, here you have a president that sound different nine months in or eight months in than he did during the campaign or his inauguration, suddenly he realizes, oh, wait a second, if i'm going to do anything with north korea, if there is any hopes at all of doing anything with north korea, i better stop insulting the chinese every day, i better stop insulting all of
our allies every day, i better stop insulting everybody every day, diplomacy may be setting in a little bit. again, david said it was a conventional speech, but there was still the trump bomb bast. that said, this was a president eight months in has seen that you have to patch together alliances if you want to get anything done across the globe, even if are you the united states of marc. >> we will talk about this more, still ahead on "morning joe" andrea mitchell joins the table. plus three former cabinet itself on set. former secretary of state john kerry joins us and former secretary madeleine albright and tim ryan and senator bill cassidy the republican breathing new life into their efforts to repeal obamacare and tonight joe's band has a gig at the
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rogue state whose chief exports are vial, blood shed and chaos. it is time for the entire world to join us in demanding that iran's government end etc. pursuit of death and destruction. we cannot let a murderous regime continue these destabilizing activities while building dangerous missiles and we cannot abide by an agreement if it provides cover for the eventual construction of a nuclear program. the iran deal was one of the most and one-sided transactions. the united states has ever entered into. frankly, that deal is an embarrassment to the united states and i don't think you've heard the last of it, believe me. >> believe me, of course, lifted
straight from lincoln's second inaugural. >> iran was the other country that president trump took to task in his general assembly speech. joining me now general columnist and contributor mike barnacle. chief foreign affairs correspondent and host of andrea mitchell reports, andrea mitchell. good to have you on board. >> good morning. >> what did you think of the speech overall? a gut reaction? >> a campaign rally, bombbastic overly ret toric am, aggressive and not multilateral. the wrong speech for the -- >> the location the venue, so to spook, i that, i totally agree with you, i think while many americans would agree with a lot of what he was saying, joe this speech i feel was for what our place is on the world stage, i don't think he articulated anything more than we've seen before. he tried to define america fi t
first. i mean this is about working together. >> he used the word sovereignty 21 times never name checked russia for grabbing ukraine. if he's not going to challenge russia, at the same time when the secretary of state is at the very day meeting with the russians on ukraine as a matter of fact, it just -- >> get, he's goeding somebo goa somebody in north korea. the speech makes me very, very nervous. >> the bulk of the speech you spoke to is pretty much boiler plate, what you expect from an american president t. problem with the speech according to many, many people i spoke with yesterday after the speech is that every element he raised that's an issue is a global issue. it's not an american issue.
and we need "america first" is one thing, alone is a dangerous thing. terrorism, climate, cyber attacks, these are global issues. he never addressed them. he stood in front of a fairly useless body. every american knows that, the united nations but didn't try anything collectively to gather that body together to confront these global issues. i'm sure it was enormously popular with donald trump's base, but he's the president -- >> no, i think that speech, mike, was enormously popular or somewhat popular with more than just donald trump's 33% or 35% or whatever it is now, i suspect that speech was popular with the majority of americans. you have the president going after north korea, going after iran, going after venezuela. i mean, there was a moment where a lot of conservatives were cheering yesterday, where he said venezuela is failing not because socialism has been implemented badly, it's because
socialism has been implemented well. nobody clapped in the chamber. he just sat and waited it out. i'm just saying there is donald trump's -- i think it would be a mistake to think this only played 31, 32, 33%. i think a lot of americans probably agreed with that speech yesterday. >> we'll find out. but i don't know, a lot of americans, i don't know whether they're going to agree, we're going to destroy you, then after we destroy you, venezuela, watch out, cube barks i don't like you either. we can only do so much, joe. i think most americans know that. >> do we get the sense he was talking about invading all these countries? >> you get the sense he had warrior language underneath he wasn't afraid to go after any nation. >> david ignacious, i could be wrong. i didn't pick that up. but -- and maybe i'm wrong, too,
i didn't sense the isolationism unilateralism that we saw nine months ago. like you said, i saw a tip of the hat to harry truman several times, which at least for those of us who you know look for such things, that's a tip of the hat to the history of the united nations to 1947 to the marshall plan. again, i'm not saying this was, you know, i'm not saying this was fdr, i'm just saying -- >> i know that. >> this may not be donald trump january 20ing, 2017. >> joe, i thought it was a speech from a president who is enjalgaged in the world sometim too loudly and too inflammatory a way but engaged. i thought there was an interventionist theme, frankly, saying, you know, cuba is an
undemocratic place and we're going to put more pressure on cuba adding venezuela to the list. that was taken very seriously in latin america. i just would note one place where the rubber now meets the road. it's a clip you just played talking about iran, trump said, basically, we need to stop iranian missile testing. we need to stop dangerous activities in the middle east in the region. we need to do something so we're not providing through the iran nuclear agreement a cover for their eventual breakout when the agreement expires. that's a list that should get broad agreement about from europeans, certainly if we had a french diplomat, president macchron sitting with us today. we get an agreement that's the right list. how do you go about making that happen? that's what trump's got to figure out better. how does he organize the coalition that can make progress
on that? how does he engage iran? you can't just threaten and bludgeon them. that's not going to work. >> andrea, perhaps a cold comfort i may be getting from this speech is that we're actually setting up normal lines once again of division, conservatives cheering him on about what he's saying about iran and cuba. >> true. >> internationalists not doing that, instead of him saying i'm wrecking the entire world order. i'm going off obama's iran deal, which i said from the beginning i thought was a horrific deem him going after cuba. again, in two instances at least conservatives a lot of americans thought we gave a lot more than we got from these two regimes and their behavior over the past year suggests -- >> i take your point. there is a meeting tonight. for the first time rex tillerson will sit down at the table with everyone that negotiated the iran deal, including the foreign minister of eastern. >> that will be the fairs face-to-face meet work he said
last night to bret baier on fox he thinks it needs to be renegotiated. we heard yesterday that's not going to happen. so that's where the rubber is going to pleat the road. what is the plan? that's what i want to see on north korea. >> i do think iran is just rhetoric. i don't think we're going to be able to unwind that deal, just like macron said yesterday there will be no renegotiation of paris. >> it's pinnacle of this speech. in his own speech he took several shots at it. macron is one of the closest european allies to president trump. so we need the see some diplomacy here. how do they want to make this work. then we get to the point of who is available beyond, behind rex tillerson to do these negotiations? >> all right. coming up, former campaign chairman paul manafort is hitting back that he was wired by the fbi, now calling on the justice department inspector general to get involved. we'll dig into that when we come
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>> joining us now, national reporter care lee. flood to have you on board, a spokesman for campaign chair paul manafort is call on the justice department to investigate reports that manafort had previously been wiretapped be i the fbi, on monday cnn report thad the fbi has been interested in manafort as far back as 2014. the report, with i is unconfirmed by nbc news claimed manafort had been wiretapped both before and after he ran donald trump's presidential campaign, cnn citing unnamed sources plans the reported eavesdropping has been authorized under the foreign under surveillance intelligencing a. if response to that reporting, jason maloney, manafort spokesperson says if true it is a felony to reveal the existence of a fisa warrant, regardless of the fact that no charges ever emerged.
we have all seen the investigation is heating up, particularly on paul manafort. >> it seems paul manafort, we know public lip there is more reporting from cnn they're back as far as january, 2006, what more than can you tell is they're finding around paul manafort? >> we know they're looking back at his financial dealings, his involvements with foreign governments, you get the sense of that they're trying to squeeze him. and a lot of people believe mueller is trying to flip people like paul manafort to talk about other things they might know about the trump campaign and you really see that kind of it all squeezing in on him. >> if it's a rob with the reporting, though, show me unnamed sources, some of these things, i don't know that they're singly sourced, but you've heard a lot of talk. you've heard it. i certainly hard it even this suggestion that manafort is, has
been warned that he's going to be under indictment. it may be thinly sourced, itself. but it gets thrown out, it's gospel, everybody runs with it. >> we're in an incredible media environment. >> i do wonder, we always talk about all the lies that donald trump tells and all the lies that his administration tells. i'm glad nbc news is slowing down on this one and -- >> waiting. >> and waiting and not confirm it. it seems witness they throw it out, i'm not knocking cnn, but they throw out these stories, it's churned on twitter, on facebook, it becomes the gospel before we really know what the fact is, on something like a fisa warrant which is almost impossible to confirm. >> joe, if you think back to iran contra and watergate which was before my time, this is before social media. so now we are in a very exciting
newspaper war and a lot of stories being broken every night by the "wall street journal" and the "new york times" the washington post, mcclatchey, and everything gets churned through social media and we have to be very careful. i just think slowing down and making sure we double confirm everything ourselves, rather than repeating and picking up every apparent break through from our competitors, just in fairness to everyone. i think mueller now has to worry about being exposed if there are reports that are not properly sourced, this as carol said, too es are the crown jules of a fisa warrant. if this is incorrect or it is a week, it would be the first week we know of directly from mueller, we have other sources, obviously, but if there is at least a leak them damaging, they also have to be worried about their own credible.
>> and carol to that point, there is a huge difference between finding judge x to get a search warrant and the fisa warrant. >> exactly. >> explain the difference, how difficult those steps are. >> you have to prove that beyond what you would formnormally thif whether you would get a search warrant, it's a rigorous process. and the universal people that know about a fisa warrant is typically very small. have you just those focused on this particular investigation and the judge and that's it. and usually somebody who has a fisa on them doesn't know, that's paul manafort's lawyer doesn't know there is a fisa. at some point all of this will come out. we will see what is actually true in the investigation and everybody who covered this is going to have to look at their coverage and see where it matches up. and that's going to be, you know, it seems like sooner rather than later given how fast this is moving. >> again, explain how secretive
this process is, even if you are in a legal community, you don't know the existence of who the fisa judges are for the most part. everything is so secretive about this process that, yeah, i would be really surprised if mueller's team was leaking that there was a fisa warrant against man jarring fomanafort. >> because of a no knock search, they are squeezing manafort. this is not your typical white collar crime investigation. those tactics of illegal break-ins into his apartment and then going up to his bedroom door. that does not happen in any previous investigation of any kind of possible official crime. >> andrea mitchell. thank you very much. >> you bet. >> and still ahead on "morning
joe." . >> there are purpose, very important people up to -- >> all right. house minority leader nancy pelosi gets shut down by immigration activists for that daca deal she working on with the president. we will talk with congressmen that challenge her portion democrat tim ryan. "morning joe" is back in a moment.
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bad deal for our people. >> congressman, what did you think of the president's speech at the general assembly yesterday here in new york city? micked reserves, conservatives, republicans liked it. he talked about america first, not an unfamiliar theme coming from him, all the way back to the campaign, but specifically the rhetoric on north korea, where do you think that put us in our back and forth with that country? >> barnicle actually -- i don't want to agree with barnicle, but he made a good point. these aren't american problems. these are global problems. i don't think he's being the kind of quarterback that the american president needs to be, pulling people together, handling these in a multilateral way. what he said about iran is true. i think we do have to have a firmer position on iran. they are funding terrorism throughout the middle east. i like that aspect of the speech. overall you have to do this together. nothing you'll be able to achieve on your own. >> was the iran deal a bad deal, as he said yesterday? >> i don't think so. it wasn't a great deal but it
was a solid deal, a deal that had to be done. the united states and basically president obama placed a bet. there's a lot of young people in iran, a generation of people that are listening to western music. they have western technology. and we're making a bet that if we can get these younger people to be slightly more understanding, slightly more moderate, and the iranian election proved that, that there are a lot of moderates in iran. we have to try to engage them the best we can, even though the deal's not perfect. >> republicans and tax cuts, they seem to be moving your way in talking about not cutting the estate tax, not lowering the top rate for the wealthiest americans. is that encouraging to you? do you think you see the world where you could work with republicans on tax cuts? >> if they stay away from the traditional supply side of economics i think a lot of democrats will sit down and say hey, is this going to benefit working class people in akron, ohio, youngstown, ohio? i think they'll be willing
partners. but, again, we've got to make sure that some of these things, like any corporate tax reform, for example, that is revenue positive. you have 100 of the top fortune 500 companies not paying any corporate tax at all. so that's not a progressive tax. if you want to lower the rate you have to make sure that you're closing the loopholes and getting some money. and the president is saying we're not going to hurt the middle class on this. so, we'll see. >> carol? >> congressman, you have health care, tax reform, daca. what do you think that you -- that congress can actually get done? and how do you feel about democrats cutting deals with this president? >> we got sent there to get something done. i don't think you need to violate your values in the process. but i think we should try to be willing partners. we have got to get the political process moving forward here and no one is going to get what they want 100% of the time. i think it's encouraging that
people are at least having conversations. the challenges that the country faces are enormal, economic inequality, diabetes. 3 billion more people will move into the middle class in the next couple of decades arnold t -- around the world. we can do it everybody going on their own. same with the speech on the u.n. we can't do this stuff alone. these problems are too big. we have to come together. i'm encouraged by it. >> congressman tim ryan, good to see you. thanks for coming on. >> thanks for having me. >> appreciate it. new reaction to president trump's address to the u.n. general assembly. we'll speak live with former secretary of state john kerry and madeleine albright and former homeland security secretary michael chertoff. and we continue to follow hurricane maria, making landfall on puerto rico as we speak. >> at winds of 155 miles an hour, that's the strongest hurricane to hit the island since 1932. >> officials there have warned residents to get out or die. we'll get a live report from an
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bill, how is it looking? >> worst of it is over portions of puerto rico. 155-mile-per-hour winds. that makes this the strongest hurricane to make landfall in puerto rico since 1928. so they're in the middle of something right now that no one alive has ever experienced on the island. or they don't remember it if they were a little kid. here is the eye of the storm. i can't show you any more radar imagery. two radars in puerto rico are now down. with the power outages it's to be expected. radar has run right through it. we can't show you the radar, unfortunately, to track the bands and eyes anymore. we have to use satellite imagery to do it. winds are 155. it didn't make landfall as a cat 5. this is the extreme top end of a cat 4 and windfield expanded. instead of one concentrated area of extreme catastrophic damage we'll have widespread destruction over a much larger area.
here is where it's currently located to the south of san juan. the worst and the strongest winds arriving in san juan. we're hoping to show you our reporters in san juan. we can't do that now either because the winds are so strong and so intense it's knocking our single down. it's also not the safest for them either. we're kind of in that blackout period when the center of the storm is doing its worst damage and worst destruction. many people in the building have family and friends. the power was even going out. a lot of them were still able to call and talk to their family and loved ones, saying how horrific it is, houses on the coast blown away. even in san juan, windows are being blown out all over the place. this is exactly what we feared with a cat 4. it's not until about 2:00 p.m. that the center goes off the coast of puerto rico. so, we still have another, let's say five, six, seven hours of destruction to take place across the island. and then as the sun is setting, hopefully we'll begin to see just how bad it was, guys. joe and mika, i mean, you know, we have friends.
your makeup artist has family and friends there. and he's just, you know -- >> we're praying. >> he can't believe how bad it is and, yeah, a lot of praying. >> walt ait and see, and hope a pray. bill karins, thank you. we'll check in with you all morning long as this hurricane passes through. david ignatius and mark halperin are still with us. from the author of the book "world in disarray," and elizabeth joins us. ongoing crisis with north korea, president trump held nothing back. >> now north korea's reckless pursuit of ballistic missiles threatens the entire world with unthinkable loss of human life. no nation on earth has an interest in seeing this band of
criminals arm itself with nuclear weapons and missiles. the united states has great strength and patience, but if it is forced to defend itself or its allies, we will have no choice but to totally destroy north korea. rocket man is on on a suicide mission for himself and his regime. the scourge of our planet today is a handful of small regimes. if the righteous many do not confront the wicked few, then evil will triumph. the united states is ready, willing and able, but hopefully this will not be necessary. that's what the united nations is all about. that's what the united nations
is for. let's see how they do. it is time for all nations to work together, to isolate the kim regime until it ceases its hostile behavior. >> richard haas, a lot of conservatives yesterday like, for instance, rich lowery saying this speech, minus some of the hyperbole that george w. bush could have delivered in 2004, 2005. you listen to him say if the righteous many doesn't confront the wicked few. he calls out north korea, he calls out iran. he calls out venezuela. is this axis of evil part two? >> you had, obviously, iran, north korea, a little bit of venezuela, little bit of terrorists, elements of that. there was an obsession with sovereignty, which wasn't something that george w. bush particularly focused on. i didn't notice that american sovereignty was somehow under dire threat.
we still have our veto at the united nations and can decide what climate ceilings are in the paris agreement. what was missing was any diplomatic position for the rest of the world to rally around. i don't know if that's an echo of george w. bush or not but this was not a speech in any way that was designed to garner international support. >> david ignatius, what was your takeaway from this speech? >> i thought it had bombastic rhetoric, as always with donald trump. he dropped the equivalent of twitter bombs. when i looked at it, as you and i have discussed, i found there was an awful lot of conventional language, especially about the united nations that, to be honest, i found welcomed. i thought that the president was attaching his america first view as a stress on sovereignty to the united nations and its institutions. he has become a champion of u.n. reform. that's good. he actually talked about doing more on human rights issues. that's a rare moment for the trump administration.
i think the issue is how does he now get traction? he set an agenda for iran. as i hear it yet it doesn't talk about tearing up the deal. how is he going to engage iran to get the changes in iranian behavior he's talking about? we didn't hear any of that yesterday. >> elizabeth, you talk to the people out in the street and hear this rhett about north korea, it worries them. the elevated -- talking about destroying north korea, the threat of military action against north korea is something that has people alarmed and on notice in this country. if you're kim jong-un and you're sitting in pyongyang listening to that speech, does that serve as a deterrent if you're that man or is thdoes that stir up - >> i can't put myself in kim jong-un's place but to totally
destroy korea, the threat is not helpful. this will not be a deterrent and there's a real risk of escalating -- of escalation here. it was not seen as helpful. and i would agree with richard that the emphasizing american sovereignty so much, he mentioned the word 21 times, is a first for the united states. it was very much of an america first policy. you could see in the room that there was a lot of silence. it was not a well received speech at the u.n. >> mark halperin, what do you think? >> the president believes in multilateralism when possible and unilateralism when necessary. the problem is the implementation of these things. the speech is just going to be rhetoric. what -- he laid no groundwork to figure out how you actually
build multilateral support for these things. i'm wondering what you think china and russia thought of that speech. would they be threatened by it in any way? >> russia was essentially let off the hook for their interference with american sovereignty during the election. >> exactly. >> ukraine was mentioned once. no indication, for example, to provide lethal defense of the ukraine. from their point of view, the north koreans will double down. they look what happened to ukraine, libya, iraq. when the president used phrases like totally destroy, you can't do total destruction with conventional weapons. that suggested under certain circumstances the united states might actually resort to nuclear weapons. from china's point of view -- i had a long meeting with the foreign minister this week and they hear that. it moves us farther apart from china and north korea. >> obviously, i would have never wanted any president to say that. but 25 years later, what moves us closer to china? what is going to get china to
stop funding north korea? north korea is basically china's 54th state. the chinese are allowing this to happen. so, tell me, what in the world works, richard? we've had this conversation now for some time. what should donald trump have said yesterday that would have moved the ball? >> two things. one is china will never stop funding north korea in part. >> at what point do they realize if they let north korea continue on a pace where they can deliver nuclear weapon to los angeles, san francisco, portland and seattle they're actually acting to destabilize north korea? when does that -- >> not just destabilize north korea, but bring about -- i think the policy is short sighted here. what the president could have
said is what would the united states put forward in order to bring about a freeze? we don't want to put forward a stoppage of all of our military exercises. why didn't he say, joe, we'll agree to a peace treaty to formally end the korean war? i heard nothing diplomatically. for eight months there's been a diplomatic vacuum. i don't know what rex tillerson is doing, other than downsizing the state department. the president had a major opportunity to put something forward that the rest of the world could rally around. he was missing in action diplomatically. >> david ignatius, what is rex tillerson and secretary mattis, obviously get together regularly. they are shoulder to shoulder. obviously secretary mattis is going along with general mcmaster at the forefront of figuring out what to do with north korea. what have you heard? what is their plan? >> joe, i'm told that secretary
tillerson has two channels to pyongyang that he has been using to good effect, to try to convey the following message. the u.s. is prepared to begin negotiations with kim, basically without conditions. they fought a fthought a few we they may have gotten the response they wanted. they praised the north koreainform s. but there's no question that the u.s. hopes to be in that negotiation. trump didn't say it publicly yesterday but the u.s. position is well known, especially to china. there's been an extensive behind the scenes discussion with the chinese about what to do. in many ways, kim's actions need
to be seen as an attack on china as much as on the u.s. kim is driving the chinese crazy. he is creating instability on their border. he rebuffs their approaches. they ask him to stop testing, he goes ahead. richard knows well that back in 2003, i think was the date, the chinese very quietly, without ever taking -- did stop oil deliveries to kim as a way of pressuring him into the negotiations that became the six-party talks. guess what, it worked. it didn't take very long. i think that's the kind of thing the u.s. is thinking about here. >> why wouldn't they be doing it now? richard, elizabeth, david? why didn't china do this two, three months ago? >> north korea now has taken steps to reduce their ability to china, halted oil. it's recently doubled in north korea. why? they took some off the mark. plus north korea has the ability to make oil out of coal. they've reduced their
vulnerability. they know it's coming. there's no love lost between them. they fully expect sanctions from china. they'll never be total. china is actually worried that sangs get too great, north korea might actually start a war out of desperation. but north koreans know that sanctions will be ratcheted up. >> are we at a place where the united states and the world is -- are we at a stage where we're accepting a nuclear north korea? is that a feta com plea and we have to deal with it? >> there is a nuclear north korea. yes, we've within there some time. >> that is moving toward projecting that nuclear power toward the west coast of the united states. >> we're moving towards that. i think that, yes, they don't want to talk about that. they're talking about some limited military action in naval blockade, a talk of cyber actions.
intercepting a missile. that is what mattis is talking about quietly. we've been moving toward that for a decade now. >> but, elizabeth, the acceptance of that, is the united states -- >> not the -- there will never be an official acceptance of it. i don't see where it goes -- the aye would be interested to know what richard thinks, if that is the ultimate end game here. >> if not an official acceptance a de facto acceptance of north korea able to strike cities on west coast and sell this nuclear technology to our enemies like isis. >> only five countries are formally allowed to be nuclearized weapon states. north korea has taken notes and said we're going to become a de facto nuclear weapons state and have talked about that.
and this is regime and country survival. we'll never formally accept it. the question is whether we're prepared to attack it or manage it through some combination of deterrence, defense and economic pressure. >> elizabeth, it feels like we're painted into a corner at this point. they've ratcheted up sanctions at the u.n. what's left on the table is military action. is there another option we should be looking at besides sanctions or the military? >> besides intercepting a missile, no. i think it is managing a problem and i think ultimately there will be -- this is what we will live with. trump has a lot of rhetoric. i think it's counterproductive at this point. >> is it just rhetoric, mark
halperin? do you think that donald trump will leave the white house, whenever he leaves the white house with the legacy of being the man that allowed north korea to strike the west coast with nuclear weapons? >> some of the responsibility is the last three administrations that weren't able to stop their march to developing nuclear technology. most of the problems we face in the world now because we don't have any leverage or enough leverage over china and russia. in this case russia continues to say we don't want refugees. we don't want an american military presence in a unified korea. he is doing it differently than the previous three presidents who failed. >> i think he will be. elizabeth, thank you so much. we continue to follow hurricane maria, by the way, battering puerto rico right now as a category 4 storm. we'll go live to san juan as soon as our reporters are safe enough to do so. also ahead, we'll talk to republican congressman bill cassidy about the heat he's catching for his obamacare repeal plan.
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joining us now from san juan, puerto rico, gadi schwartz, following hurricane maria, which has made landfall there now. what's it look like? >> reporter: i want to show you what it looks like right now. take a look over here. this is how hard the wind is blowing. over there on the far side of the parking lot, it's impossible to make out right now, but the water levels are starting to come up. right now, we are at one of the shelters, one of the main shelters here in san juan. this whole structure is concrete. so it's basically bomb proof, but you've got these openings right here. that was the protected side. this is another corner here that you can see out. and we've seen debris flying all over the place. in fact, right over here, you've got some -- you've got some downed trees. i'm going to take you in over here real fast. i want to show you what the shelter looks like. watch these swinging doors. those doors blew open a little while ago this is what was the shelter earlier. this whole coliseum was filled with people.
they've now taken those people and have them in the wings on their cots because the roof started leaking. there are now concerns about things that might fall down. they are saying that this structure is still sound. guys, back to you. >> yikes. >> incredible picture. stay safe. check back in with you in a few minutes. joining us now on set, former secretary of state madeleine albright. so great to have you on set with us. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> your take on president trump's address before the u.n. general assembly? what's your gut? >> well, my gut is, i'm glad he went. >> okay. >> and that he actually spoke some positive things about the united nations. i think it was actually two speeches. one in which it was written in a way to be much more nationalistic. going up and talking about america first in that location and then having listened to many
speeches there. the tone of it was really bad, i think. and in so many ways, we all want to make sure that america is strong. but i think his speech weakened america. and i think it's something that will make us very hard to carry on a lot of diplomatic work that we have to. but i'm going to try to be positive. >> right. and see that he recognizes multilateral action and the history of the u.n. it's important. part of it now will be as to whether they fund the u.n. we, by not paying or funding, is very hard to get reform if, in fact, you don't support the funding of it. so those are the aspects of it. >> we talk around the table often about how maybe a slight move to the middle by donald trump is always met with a harsh tweet, where he throws red meat to his base. did you get a sense yesterday
that the two speeches he gave -- one may have been sort of a tip of the hat to the united nations and an understanding of the realities that have sat in on him over the past eight months, but another part of the speech might have been for domestic consumption, for his base, saying, yes, yes, i'm at the united nations but, my friends, don't worry. i'm going to say national sovereignty a thousand times so you can take that back to your republican club meetings and let them know donald's still with you. >> i think you're absolutely right. mostly you don't go to the u.n. to give a domestic speech. i think that he was doing that. in so many ways. but it will hurt, ultimately. i know people don't like the world multilateralism. it has too many syllables and ends in ism. but ultimately it's about partnerships and he has to do
that kind of work. i do think the language generally that he used was so harsh that i think, in some ways, it strengthened kim jong-un, made him the center of attention. >> yep. >> richard, you're laughing -- >> i totally agree with that. >> sort of laughing when i was talking about domestic consumption. i take it you agree? because people need to understand for donald trump's hard base, him stepping in to the united nations is a statement, is a betrayal. >> the u.n. is the great symbolism in that world. a lot of literature about ultimately they'll take away american sovereignty, the second amendment rights. so for him to go to the u.n. is totally inconsistent with his base. it wasn't a coincidence that he used the word sovereignty 21 times. that was his way of reassuring people that he's not going to be taken in by the fact that he's showing up in new york at this party. >> secretary albright, the north
korean problem is one you confronted as ambassador of the u.n. and then secretary of state. the president said if that nation continued its pursuit of nuclear weapon he would, quote, totally destroy north korea. at least that the u.s. had the capability to do that. that's a pretty specific threat. where are we? where are we left 25 years or so after you all first confronted the problem of north korea? what hasn't worked for a generation and what's left? >> let's say it is a difficult -- there's no question it's a difficult issue. during the clinton administration, there were no addition of material, no nuclear weapons and no icbms. we were in the middle of negotiations when i left there in october, presented it when the bush administration had won the election and secretary powell was willing to continue the negotiations, and they didn't. so, there are any number -- it's the most complicated history i've ever seen. but what is left are all the tools in the tool box and there has to be a better whole of
government approach to it and working within is the six-party talks. we just can't decide that diplomacy does not work because i do think that some of the -- they need to do more with the sanctions and they need to do more with diplomacy. and we have to have deterrence. i fully agree. to put it in kind of def-con highest now is something that's troubling. it makes it difficult for anybody to talk to them. talking to somebody you don't like is actually more important. >> critics would say we've ratcheted up sanctions over and over and over again for 20, 25 years now and there's no response from north korea, except to continue its pursuit. i'm not calling for a military strike. i'm just asking if you believe that sanctions will actually solve this problem? >> i don't think they'll solve the problem. but i do think looking at what is available, i think what ultimately -- the six-party talks, obviously, talk about what the chinese need to do. and then i find interesting the
fact that if he did, in fact, explode a thermal nuclear weapon, that there were news about the fact that some radioactive material had gone into the airspace of china and the russians, and i think that is something that they are afraid of. and, richard, you had talked about the fact of five nuclear powers. but i think the nonproliferation treaty works to the extent it does because people understand they don't want radioactive over their territory. >> david ignatius will jump in from washington. david? >> secretary albright, you and i have talked often over the last month about whether the liberal international order, as we often call it, can survive the trump presidency. and i'm curious. after this major speech by donald trump at the united nations, do you think that's more or less likely? >> you do need to work with the
other countries and he had not made clear enough -- sovereignty is one word. but i think in terms of what governments are like, how you, in fact, talk to your own people without riling them all up and then looking at the institutions that you can work with. the press, the judiciary and we have spent a lot of time thinking about this, you and i, and others. and i think i am worried. sovereignty is a very important part. but the question -- and richard is the expert on a lot of sovereignty. what are the obligations of sovereignty? how do you work with others? and what is our responsibility towards other countries? >> secretary albright, let me ask you briefly about the united nations generally, 25 years later. 25 years after you said the u.n. must reform or die, you saw it up close. 25 years later, we've seen syria unravel. and the united nations and the international order couldn't bring that chaos to an end.
we've seen north korea continue its march over the past 25 years. now, again, nothing meaningful can be put together by an international community. what do you say to americans? what do you say to members of the united nations about its ineffectiveness over, let's just say, the past year? and how does it become more effective in international affairs again? >> one thing we do have to keep in mind, it is a combination, a collection of nation states. sovereignty is the important part. and we can blame the secretariat and international bureaucrats but ultimately it is a decision by the nation states. and the united states -- and this was my problem when i was there. we were behind in paying our peacekeeping bills. and then congress unilaterally decided to lower the amount we were going to pay. and it's very hard to call for reform if you're not paying, leading the british, our best
friends, actually, to deliver a message they had waited over 200 years to say, representation without taxation. and we do, in fact, have to make it work. the new secretary gutierrez is bound and determined to move on reform. then the cliche, if it didn't exist we would invent it. it is a necessary way to have countries operate together and find common goods. i do think also -- one thing i've been pushing for a lot, the private sector has to be at the table early. public/private partnership in working on some of these problems is important. you can't bring them in at the last minute. and there needs to be a way to reform the u.n. there's no question. but in order for us to push that agenda, we have to believe that it can be done. >> secretary madeleine albright, it is great to have you on this show. she has tried to be positive, joe. >> she is trying to be positive. >> trying. >> and, of course, we need the seat afar right there.
just critical, richard. >> always good to see you. >> thank you so much. from one former secretary of state to another, john kerry joins the table. and we continue to keep an eye on puerto rico as hurricane maria is battering the island right now with 155-mile-per-hour winds. we'll be right back. (vo) dogs have evolved,
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former secretary of state john kerry. so great to have you here. >> happy to be here. >> of course, we want to talk about what everyone is talking about. that is the boston red sox winning in extra innings last night. >> i know, extra innings. at least three people here who can't wait for the playoffs. >> that's right. that's right. >> yankee fans, richard and i. >> i said at least three people. >> exactly. so, you just got back from ukraine. we're going to get to the u.n. speech in a second. you just got back from ukraine. what can you tell us about the state of affairs there? >> they're in a critical place. they've got to make fundamental decisions about corruption, getting rid of it. they need to attract private investment. the government has to show that it's serious. >> how much of a shadow does
russia still cast over -- >> enormous, obviously. it's the ball game. but they really have their destiny in their own hands. it's up to them to decide that they are going to be a model nation for transformation. and they're still stuck -- they're trying to have it both ways. i think we made it very clear, richard, myself, others who were there, that this say critical moment for them. >> richard, any fear of -- any realistic fear in ukraine of the russians moving westward? >> no. i think people understand that crimea is not coming back any time soon. the most interesting, positive thing is the russians put out an offer about, what, two weeks ago now talking about peacekeeping forces in the eastern part of the ukraine. and the question is, does that mean that maybe putin understands some of the costs of what they're doing? are they beginning to look for something of an exit? i don't know. the recommendation everybody made to the ukrainian government, we all saw the president, was why don't you at
least explore that, see if the russians are up to something, if it's a ploy, expose it. if it's not a ploy, work with it. >> the president's speech at the united nations didn't dig into it much further. what did you think of the speech overall? >> joe, i think you all have talked about it a fair amount already. but, look, what is the purpose of the speech by the president of the yunited states to the united nations? it is to sell america's policy, to bring countries to the table in order to achieve your goals. and the president gave a speech about america first, which winds up, in effect, i think, making america last and diplomacy last. or making america alone fundamentally. it pushes people away. i mean, this childish kind of -- the rhetoric. if name calling was going to solve this problem, donald trump would have already solved the problem. so, that's not going to move
anybody to do what you have to do. you have to ask yourself, is america safer because of rocket man? did we bring anybody to the table as a consequence of that language? you don't give a speech at the united nations to talk to your base. you have plenty of opportunities to do that. you give a speech at the united nations to bring people to the table. what do you need more than anything? you need china to do things. china provides 100% of the fuel to north korea. every plane, every truck, every car that moves in north korea, china's doing that. every bit of north korea's financing goes through chinese banks. china would shut north korea down in one week, two days. >> why don't they? >> because they keep saying we're afraid of the stability issue. we're afraid there's going to be a massive -- implosion of the regime. in reality, joe, i think the reason is that they're fearful that -- you know they don't know what comes afterwards, for sure. but that could, in fact, be
guaranteed. there are ways -- i talked to a number of people. there are absolutely ways in which to guarantee a transition here, guarantee that something happens. so, look, i think that -- also, he invokes the marshall plan. i love the marshall plan. i've recommended that we have a modern day martial plan that uses the private sector to combat terrorism, grow countries and deal with young people who have no jobs. did he mention -- no. he has a 37% cut in the budget. that's his recommendation. >> willie? >> so it's -- i really think the speech lost an opportunity to be able to do what presidents should do there, not isolate america in the minds of lots of leaders, but bring people together. he really should have made it a case for china. that would have been a legitimate diplomatic gambit, why chien wra and how china could do more. that would have been valuable. >> when you were secretary of state, dealing with the north korean problem, what were the
most hopeful avenues for you? maybe we can get a deal done to stop the nuclear program this way. why didn't it happen if it was -- >> i keep hearing people say, hey, we tried this for 25 years. we've had diplomacy and it didn't work. no, that's not true. we have less sanctions against north korea today, which has a nuclear weapon, than we had against iran, which did not have a nuclear weapon. now how do you figure that out? we brought more pressure to bear on iran to come to the table and negotiate. when people say we've tried -- no, we haven't tried everything. we need to put greater pressure on sanctions because that's the way you exhaust diplomacy. and if donald trump is ever going to get to the point where he has to, quote, destroy north korea, which we all understand, this could come to blows. but you don't have to brandish that every moment so that it's always the big stick and no
talk, literally, softly or otherwise. you have got to have both. and there's no sense here of diplomatic initiative or effort by them to bring russia or china to the table to do this. now you look at what we did over a period of time with iran. it took us 35 years to actually get iran right. and we finally got iran right, as george mitchell once said. you have 1,000 bad days in negotiations and one good day. it takes patience. and what we need to do with north korea is actually work with china, russia, others, to ratchet those sanctions up to a point where they have an impact and exhaust the possibilities of diplomacy so that if it came to blows, everybody in the world would understand why. it's a last resort, not a first resort. >> didn't you just say china was not a willing partner right now in doing that? >> china has ratcheted up four times. we went to china.
we ratcheted up sanctions. then we ratcheted them up a second time. i've supported the trump administration in their diplomacy to try to ratchet it up. we had oil embargo sanctions in the last round. the chinese walked that back. but we did ratchet it up. with the last firing we have the reason to put even more pressure on and go back to china. look, you've got to go through that process. by the way -- and this is really important -- talking about getting rid of the iran deal and going after iran, we all have -- we're all aware that iran is doing things we don't like and there's things we want iran to stop doing. if you go after the iran deal and iran the way he did yesterday, and talk about throwing it out you make your diplomatic efforts of solving north korea far more complicated whachlt does north korea think, looking at the way he's talking about shredding a deal that was made? if that's the way america
behaves in the world, throwing out something that works because you don't like it, but it works, you're actually inviting a much more active path. >> mike barnicle? >> another deal on the verge of being shredded, the paris accord. hasn't been spoken about much. the trump administration is on the path of destroying the paris accord. >> we had a two-day conference at yale that ended yesterday. secretary jim backer, former republican treasury and secretary of state came. he spoke about the need to price carbon. hank paulson, former republican secretary of treasury, jeff immelt, general electric. we had a group of former secretaries of energy and -- all of whom talked about how what we're seeing today should convince people that they need to move on climate change. irma, first hurricane to ever
have sustained winds over 185 miles an hour for 25 hours. harvey, largest record rainfall in the history of hurricanes. wildfires burning out of control in the western part of our country. the evidence is building all around the world. every leader in africa, every leader in europe, most leaders in asia all believe that climate change is happening and mankind is pushing it into faster acceleration. paris, almost 200 nations came together. and all of them agreed simultaneously not to accept the burden imposed by any other country. donald trump has not told the truth to the american people about this. the burden that we've accepted is one we defined. he doesn't have to pull out of paris. he just has to change the targets. >> when he's talking about terms that are more acceptable to the american people, they're terms we set ourselves. >> terms that america set
ourselves. he could change. they're voluntary. here is the good news, though, joe, 29 states in america have already passed renewable portfolio laws. eight states have voluntary laws. you have 38 states in america, the governors of which will convene today at 12:30 here in new york. many of those governors will announce they're going to continue to meet paris. so while the president may say i'm pulling out of paris, 80% of the american people, in these 38 states, they're going to continue on, mayors, governors and we're going to meet paris standards and i think we can exceed them if we do what technology allows us to do. >> david ignatius in washington and then richard haas. david ignatius? >> i want to go back to iran. do you think there's any way to make progress on the things president trump talked about yesterday, dealing with iranian
missile testing, with iranian regional behavior, in some way, trying to figure out a way to extend the duration of this agreement, without blowing that agreement up? >> absolutely. and i have reason to believe that because i met with foreign ministers in oslo some months ago and we raised every one of those issues. he has stated that with european community in the region they are prepared to deal with those countries directly involved. and they are prepared to discuss regional security issues that would have a profound impact. you don't push the possibilities of conversation. if all you do is rattle the sabre, you are shutting off the opportunity to do these things.
yesterday it was made more difficult because of the level of insult. you can raise the issues. there are ways to do it. but the way it was done yesterday will make it harder for them to engage with us. but they are, i know, absolutely prepared to engage with europe and regional countries and that should be put to the test. >> secretary, your successor has made focus to downsize the amount of resources available to diplomacy, to shrink the department. he hasn't filled a lot of positions. do you think you can succeed at secretary of state with the kind of trajectory secretary tillerson is taking? >> i think it's extremely difficult to do diplomacy without diplomats. the world needs more of the leadership that the united states has calculated to reach out and build alliances and do the things that we -- 2 billion people, 2 billion young people in the world under the age of 15.
1.8 billion between the ages of 15 and 24. many of them are in places where extremists are recruiting them, bringing them over because they don't have opportunity. they don't have a say in their country. they don't have the possibility of a future. we need to be deeply engaged in possibilities of legitimate opportunity and work and taking our values and marketing them. that's the best of american diplomacy. when you cut off the ability of your ambassadors -- we don't have ambassadors in many of the critical countries in the world. we don't have assistant secretaries of state to meet. countries have told me we don't know who to talk to so how does the world get safer if you're not doing the hard work of diplomacy. >> thank you so much. your tan, your rested and ready, you're younger than everybody else talking about running for president of the united states. is it kerry 2020. >> i don't have any plans right now honestly.
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meteorologist bill karins with the check on the storm's latest track, bill? >> just got the new 8:00 advisory in from the hurricane center. down to 150-miles-per-hour winds. now the center's only 15 miles from san juan, puerto rico. that's the population center of puerto rico. 2.5 million people just to the north and that northern eye wall is now over-the-top of them. we don't have radar to show you because the radar went down in san juan. we do have super-san juan, puerto rico, gabe gutierrez. >> the situation here in san juan is dire. the winds here have been intensifying and the worst is yet to come. we have taken shelter in a concrete structure. there's a wall blocking me, blocking the wind to our right. as you can see behind me, there's a scene of utter chaos. authorities here have been warning people for days that if they live in wooden structures or flood prone areas that they needed to evacuate or die. well the time for that has
passed. there's nowhere to turn at this point. we have seen parts of buildings being blown off, debris strewn throughout the streets, trees being toppled and communications are starting to go down. the power is out too. a large chunk of san juan already. this in a region that was raised by hurricane irma but it knocked out power to 75% of the island. maria could knock out power to some parts of this region for four to six months. authorities are warning that this is -- will be catastrophic. we expect to get hit by these howling winds and torrential rain for the next several hours. there's no telling how much damage this could cause but a big concern as well is the storm surge. back to you. >> wow, incredible pictures and his hotel room is to the back of the strongest winds purposely to show you the winds. they're not into his rooms. here's the update from the
hurricane center. we're still category 4, 150-miles-per-hour winds, moving to the northwest at 10-miles-per-hour. here's imagery. there's the eye. this the worst case scenario, cat 4, northern eye wall right over the most populated areas of puerto rico by about 2:00 p.m. today we take it off the northern coast of puerto rico so by late this afternoon, the winds will relax. we'll have a couple hours during the late afternoon to -- for the officials to assess just how bad it is out there and the concerns are with the winds and we already had the storm surge on the southeast coastline and we still have to deal with the flooding rains. there are mountains on puerto rico. we have flash flood emergencies for rivers that have risen 20 feet. the water kills more people than the wind. so there's the surge as far as the rainfall flooding goes, even though you're not getting the worst of the winds, western
portions are doing the worst of that. i want to finally finish up, so you the long range track here, turks and caicos and we watch is t going in between the southeastern united states and bermuda. it's going to parallel the u.s. coastline as we go into next week. some computers have it getting very close to the outer banks, others close to new england but it'll be a much weaker storm and that's seven days away. back to you. >> thank you. a very dangerous situation rapidly developing. we have "the washington post"'s david ignatius. so should we get to president trump's remarks. >> sure. we have health care. >> yeah. >> which the republicans are once again trying to pass an absolutely terrible bill -- this one i'm curious. the over/under maybe 13, 14% for its approval rating.
>> yeah. >> they just never learn. it's really incredible. >> it's the hot stove. >> putting their hand on the hot stove. we've been mocking donald trump for doing what only 33% of the country wants and which, by the way, phillip he's gone up three weeks in a row. i wonder why. he's not trying to aggravate 200 million people. >> what's wrong with them? >> they're not even on steve bannon's 33% plan, they're on their own 17% plan. every one of these health care bills are horrible. everyone is worst than the last and they're going to do it again and once again, we're going to reorder 1/6th of the economy and we're going to rush it before we have the congressional budget office actually giving us a score and we don't really need the cbo score. we'll get to this, it's going to
be the -- we just got to talk about this for one second. it's unbelievable the so-called conservatives saying we're going to reorder one sixth of the economy and have absolutely no idea what impacts it's going to have on all of america on their health care. it is the most radical thing anybody could do. >> and they have a real deadline of september 30th, so that's next saturday i believe. it's about a week and a half when they can get reconciliation and get 50 votes and have mike pence break that tie. they'll have a ticking clock. and if you look at the pill it's not clear to me what they've changed to give someone like susan collins or lisa murkowski who objected to the last bill reason to vote for this bill. >> it has all the worst qualities of the last health care bills and again, we always play this game. what if democrats had done what
republicans had done, imagine what the press would say? imagine if democrats tried to pass a bill in seven or eight days, reorder one sixth of the economy and rushed through it without a congressional budget office? republicans, right wing radio, everybody on the far right would be going absolutely ballistic right now. >> if you ask why would any of the republicans oppose the previous bill support this one by when it doesn't meet what they want, it's because of the deadline. >> with a 13% plan. >> with a bill that has not gone through regular order and has a lot of the same problems as the original legislation and, by the way, even if the senate does this it's not entirely clear that the house would pass the same bill so they may be going
through all this political torture for something that would never get to the president's desk. >> john mccain showed the courage he showed before, why would he say, oh, mitch mcconnell and donald trump have a deadline so i'm going to have people remember me for passing a health care bill that strips health care coverage from tens of millions of people and something we do radekly without even looking at a congressional budget office, without doing regular order. john mccain was so right when he talked about regular order. >> yeah. >> that's -- you want to know one of the things along with gerrymandering that has made washington as sick as it's been over the past several years politically, it's no regular order. they get two or three people in a room, they draft up something and then they shove down the rest of congress's and the american peoples' throat. i highly doubt that john mccain is worried about these false deadlines and is going to let his legacy be that he reordered
one sixth of the economy without -- in such a reckless, radical, irresponsible way and i just don't know why my friends in the republican party keep going back and doing the same stupid thing over and over again this year. it's as if they're desperate to make nancy pelosi speaker of the house. >> then that would be helpful. now to president trump's first -- >> to nancy pelosi. >> which we could use leadership, real moral leadership in the republican party right now as we turn to president trump's first remarks yesterday to the united nations general assembly where he held nothing back regarding the ongoing crisis with north korea. >> now, north korea's reckless pursuit of nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles threatens the entire world with unthinkable loss of human life.
no nation on earth has an interest in seeing this band of criminals arm itself with nuclear weapons and missiles. the united states has great strength and patience, but if it is forced to defend itself or its allies, we will have no choice but to totally destroy north korea. rocket man is on a suicide mission from himself and for his regime. >> the president went on to praise the u.n. security council for the harsh sanctions against pyongyang specifically thanking china and russia for joining the unanimous vote while also calling on the u.n. as a whole to step up its involvement. >> the scourge of our planet today is a small group of rogue regimes that violate every principal in which the u.n. is
based. if the righteous many do not confront the wicked few then evil will triumph. the united states is ready, willing and able but hopefully this will not be necessary. that's what the wrunited nation is all about. that's what the united nations is for, let's see how they do. it is time for all nations to work together to isolate the kim regime until it ceases its hostile behavior. >> north korea's prime minister walked out in protest before president trump began his speech. >> i thought it was just me yesterday, i was -- we were traveling and doing a lot of different things so i didn't get to see the speech when it was going down but i was reading my twitter feed and breaking news and it seemed that donald trump
had doused kerosene all over himself and set himself on fire and was like setting off fireworks in there and then i started looking at the text of the speech and i saw, yes, very strong language towards north korea and language that you and i wouldn't prefer him to use but he also criticized iran, he also criticized venezuela, he criticized rogue regimes. he spoke glowing of the martial plan. talking about the righteous many against the evil few and i was -- okay, so i'm missing something here and then i read your op ed later in the afternoon where you said this was actually -- you take away the bomb bast this is a fairly conventional speech from a president at the united nations. >> joe, i had the same reaction,
the speech had zingers in it guaranteed to send the news media crazy, we'll going to totally destroy north korea, this repetition of the president's new favorite catch phrase, rocket man has clearly replaced crooked hillary as his go-to phrase. what was fascinating to me in the speech was the president in his first speech at the u.n. was embracing the legacy of this institution. he mentioned president truman, the founding father of that world twice in his speech. he mentioned the marshal plan. >> complimentary of the marshal plan. >> the building blocks of the world that you and i live in and we've talked together i would often talk with mika's dad when he was alive about the danger that this world that was created
in 1945 would be taken apart by donald trump and interestingly the speech went in a different direction, that's not to excuse the undiplomatic language, i don't think that that helps, but the substance of the speech tells me that nine months in he is less determined to overturn the system than we might've thought at the beginning. >> so david, i was struck listening to that, yes, it was different than previous president's speeches at the u.n. but it was precisely what donald trump campaigned on. i will defend america first, and always look at first for america's interest so unconventional, yes, but not unexpected i don't think from donald trump. some of the analysis this morning is that the president reshaped the u.s. role in the world with that speech. did he really? was it some big departure to what's happened in the country in the past? >> i didn't it was, willie. i think what's important when a
figure is trying to speak for the masses of americans who think the u.n. is a big waste of time and money, we wanted to be invested in the u.n. that's a community of sovereign nations, reshaping the balance on which this rests but it's not overturning it. i read it a little different from some of the other commentators. we'll see. if president trump is serious about bringing the united states back in as a participant in reform of the u.n., making it more effective, making it more place where problems get solved, that will be a significant difference for a conservative, a republican to do that, would be a big step. i can't help but think that nikki haley is favorite foreign policy official or ambassador to the u.n. is one of the reasons he's so sited about it. it's his friend nikki's project.
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building dangerous missiles and we can not abide by an agreement if it provides cover for the eventual construction of a nuclear program. the iran deal was one of the worst and most one-sided transactions the united states has ever entered in to. frankly, that deal is an embarrassment to the united states and i don't think you've heard the last of it, believe me. >> believe me of course lifted straight from lincoln's second inaugural. >> iran was the other country that president trump took to task in his general assembly speech. joining us now veteran columnist mike barnicle and host of mitchell reports, andrea mitchell. andrea, what did you think of the speech overall?
>> campaign rally, bomb bass tick, overly rhetorical, you know, aggressive and not multilateral. not -- the wrong speech for the venue. >> exactly. i totally agree with you. while many americans would agree with a lot of what he was saying, joe, this speech i feel like was for what our place is in the world stage and i don't think he articulated anything more than we've seen before. he tried to define america first. i mean, this is about working together. >> he used the word sovereignty 21 times yet never name checked russia for grabbing part of ukraine. if he's not going to challenge russia at the same time when his secretary of state is that very day meeting again with the russians on ukraine, as a matter
of fact, and -- >> and yet he's goading somebody who incredible unstable in north korea. >> where's the plan? >> the speech makes me very, very nervous. >> the bulk of the speech as you spoke to in the earlier segment is pretty much boiler plate, it's what you'd expect from an american president. the problem with the speech, according to many, many people i spoke with yesterday after the speech, is that every element that he raised as an issue is a global issue, it's not an american issue and we need -- america first is one thing. america alone is a very dangerous thing. terrorism, climate, cyberattacks. these are global issues and he never addressed them. he stood in front of a fairly useless body, every american knows that but didn't try to do anything collectively to gather that body together to confront these global issues. i'm sure it was enormously
popular with donald trump's base but he's the president of the united states. >> i think that speech was enormously popular or somewhat popular with more than just donald trump's 33% or 35% or whatever it is now. i suspect that speech was popular with the majority of americans. you have a president who was going after north korea, going after iran, going after venezuela. i mean there was a moment we had a lot of conservatives that were cheering yesterday where he said venezuela is failing not because socialism's been implemented badly, it's because socialism's -- and nobody -- nobody clapped in the chamber. he just sat and waited it out. i'm just saying there is donald trump's base, i do think it would be a mistake to think that this only played for 31%. a lot of americans probably agreed with that speech yesterday. >> we'll find out. i don't know. a lot of americans -- i don't
know whether they're going to agree with we're going to destroy you and then after we destroy you, havens wailla watch out and cuba i don't like you either. we can only do so much, joe. i think most americans know that. >> did we get the sense that he was talking about invading all these countries? >> you got the sense that he had warrior language underneath, that he wasn't afraid to go after any nation. >> coming up on "morning joe," new york city is always on high alert especially when nearly all the world leaders are in town. we're going to talk to former homeland security secretary michael chur tauf about what's involved next on "morning joe." a pilot like you shouldn't be flying buses. welcome to miami.
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ceiling and they're not sure how much it can withbe stand. they've moved people back in here, this is a family right here and there are a lot more families underneath the bleachers. walk with me this way. let me show you what it looks like. the winds are weakening just a little bit. we don't know where the storm is right now because we lost radar but we do know the eye was about 15 miles away from us 20 minutes ago. that is how strong the wind is. we're inside of a coliseum and it was able to rip that door off its hinges and it's been blowing things around but as we take a look outside, you can see this is where a lot of the trees have come down, and again these winds are considerable calmer than what we've seen. we don't know if we're starting to see what may be the eye because we've lost radar contact but we are seeing things calm down just a little bit. some doors down here were blasted. you've got crews down there. they were trying to secure those
doors with zip ties and fire hoses but they were unable to do so-so right now as these winds die down people are coming back out to assess some of the damage. we've got another round if this is, in fact, the eye. the winds will continue to hammer us for six to eight hours. >> we're glad you're inside of that shelter. everybody's lucky to be in a concrete structure like that. we'll check back with you in just a second. joining us now former secretary of homeland security, michael chertoff. very good to have you. in fact, just looking at the hurricane coverage, fema's under homeland security, it's more often and they are stronger. >> yeah. >> how is the department do you think in interprets of preparing for these and how are they responding so far? >> i think the government's done quite well bearing in mind that it's always going to be an ugly situation and people are under a lot of stress, but i think this
shows the result of over ten years of working to reformulate what our doctrine is to prepare to train, to exercise and of course this has been an exceptional hurricane season. we haven't had one like this since 2008. so it really is going to test metal of the folks both at the federal and the local level. >> so and reformulating the doctrine in terms of preparing, but what about -- what about climate change and does that play into this or is that a separate entity of the government that should be addressing that? >> i'm not an expert -- >> i know but we all have brains. >> i would say that we've certainly seen intense periods of weather. whatever the cause s we have to start thinking about how do you become more resilient and one thing i would say, if we look at what the dutch have done, dutch have lived below sea level for centuries and they've developed technologies and building requirements that make it easier
for them to resist a catastrophic result. we've got to start thinking about long-term. how do we build an infrastructure and protects us and mitt gates the damage of what may be a period of rising sea levels and more storms. >> okay. let's move to president trump's speech before the u.n. did you think it was a productive speech? >> i think it's a speech where bearing in mind his personal style as a speaker which is a little different than what we're used to, i think it's a speech that you could almost read in to what you wanted to. there were elements that sounded like america first, it's all about america but there were also elements that showed engagement with the rest of the world and focusing on countries where people are actually being oppressed. so i think it was a balanced speech but it's not certainly a typical speech. to me the real question is what does he do, not what does he say? >> given your background, secretary, were you at all surprised that given the nature of the global threat of
terrorism, the global threat of climate, the global threat of cyber attacks that there wasn't more in the speech about the need to address it globally rather than just america first, america alone which seemed to be the direction of the speech? >> i always view these speeches not as a road map to what actually policy is going to be but an overarching theme setter and i think the theme here was we are nation states, we do have obligations to our own people, but as nation states we can work together in our mutual interest. so i don't view this as closing the door on globalization. it certainly was not an apology speech as some we've heard in the past. it was not the most bell koes thing we've heard either so to me the question is what does he do rather than what does he say? >> what's more bellicose than we're going to destroy north korea. >> the axis of evil was bellicose. i've watched people interpret this in different ways over the
last 24 hours. i don't think he said if you don't reannounce your weapons we're going to destroy you. i think what he said was, if we have to defend ourselves, we will destroy you and i think that's a rather crude, perhaps, but accurate statement of what deterrence is and that was really in the cold war what we told the soviets. if you attack us we will fight back. >> so the axis of evil speech was not delivered to the u.n. and i'm just curious because you're one of many who have said we've got to watch what he does, not what he says. that doesn't seem okay. this is the president of the united states. what he says is supposed to be extremely important and it's supposed to represent what he's going to do. and what his intentions are and what his hopes and dreams are for this country and the world community and our place in the world. are we supposed to discount everything he says because he might do something differently? >> i agree with you. ideally you want a president who
can use the bully pulpit as a way -- >> to be honesty. >> to community messages to our allies and adversaries. you just have to face the fact this president's rhetoric is not what we expect and i do think in the end a lot of it will be discounted precisely because it is not necessarily connected to what happens. >> wow. >> to me the policy issues and the way he actually execute become the really important things. if i look at what he's done in dealing with our allies and actually what he does it's been a lot more mainstream than what some of the rhetoric is. >> wow. >> i'm interested in your reaction there secretary to another element of president trump's foreign policy and that is refugee admissions and cutting that number in half as a response to what he views as the global threat of terrorism from certain countries. i was reminded after 9/11 that president george w. bush made a point going out and saying we're
going to keep the number where it is. why do you think that was important for george w. bush to do that and do you think it's a mistake for donald trump to do what he's doing? >> as i've written, putting aside humanitarian issues which of course are important, i think from a national security standpoint it's important not to be cutting the number of refugees that we have as a cap because that sends a bad signal to our allies many of whom are hosting refugees at great burden. i want to be clear about a couple things. i absolutely agree when we have refugees who apply to come in, we need to vet them carefully and make sure they're not a risk. >> which we do. >> i have to say in fairness, we've had a record number of asylum seekers coming into the u.s. i think we're on track to have over 200,000 this year and so that's outside the cap. so we are certainly in a position to be taking people who are fleeing from persecution when they arrive at our shores.
nevertheless, the refugee program i think is a flagship program for solidarity with countries like jordan and turkey and other countries in the region and it's important from a security standpoint that we show that solidarity. >> it's interesting to hear you say it's a question of national security to keep that number, because the argument is it's a question of national security to limit the numbers so some of those refugees don't sneak in that have ill will toward the united states. >> in terms of the risk coming in to do harm, the refugee program where people have to wait usually 18 months to get in is very low risk compared to simple travellers and so i mean, we've obviously got to do whatever we need to to reasonable check but putting a cap on the refugee program doesn't really serve a purpose and is actually contrary to our interest. >> if you tied together several of the challenges the administration is facing, cybersecurity, terrorism,
hurricanes, this is a white house that has one individual essentially handling all of those things or overseeing that, tom bossert, is that effective? do they need to have more people focusing on these issues? is he enough? >> i know tom and i worked with him back in the days of the bush administration and he's very experienced and he's smart and i think he's really capable. we should be pleased he's in that position. i also think that the folks in the security staff and the white house that he's brought in are very capable in the area of cyber. actually i think the real issue is populating the departments and making sure you have staff in the departments. i thought secretary kelly was a good dhs secretary. he's now at the white house. the acting secretary's very good. they're starting to fill the positions out and the good news is actually homeland security as opposed to some other departments is actually relatively well populated at a senior level and with people who have real operational experience and i think you saw the result
of that in the hurricane response. i'm encouraged by that. i'd like to see the state department a little bit more filled out and i think the defense department has some vacancies. one thing you learn when you're dealing with a multitude of crisis you need to have all hands on deck. >> former homeland security michael chertoff, thank you so much for being on with us this morning and still ahead we'll talk to republican senator bill cassidy whose racing against a deadline to pass his obamacare repeal bill but does it fail the so-called jimmy kimmel test. that's next on "morning joe."
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health care. graham/cassidy bill is great. ends ocare. senator paul has been a vocal opponent of the plan. president trump continued on twitter, i hope republicans centers will vote for graham cass did i and fulfill their promise to repeal and replace t and replace obamacare. money direct to states. the comments come as republicans race to beat a september 30th deadline so they only need 51 votes. meanwhile jimmy kimmel had this to say. >> a few months ago after my son had open heart surgery which is something i spoke about on the air, a politician, a senator called bill cassidy from louisiana, was on my show and he wasn't very honest. it seemed like he was being honest. he got a lot of credit and attention for coming off like a rare, reasonable voice in the republican party when it came to health care for coming up with something that he called, he named it this, the jimmy kimmel
test, which was in a nutshell no family should be denied medical care, emergency or otherwise, because they can't afford it. he agreed to that. he said he would only support a health care bill that made sure a child like mine would get the health coverage he needs no matter how much money his parents make. and this guy, bill cassidy, just lied right to my face. >> do you believe that every american regardless of income should be able to get regular checkups, maternity care, et cetera, all of those things that people who have health care get and need? >> yep. >> so yep is washington for nope, i guess. and by the way, before you post a nasty facebook message saying i'm politicizing my son's health problems, i want you to know i am politicizing my son's health problems because i have to. >> wow. and with that, joining us now is republican senator bill cassidy of louisiana. sir, i guess i will ask you to respond. does yep mean no really?
and in your efforts to do this again, will it pass the jimmy kim mel test? >> absolutely. there will be more people covered under the graham/cassidy/heller/johnson amendment and we protect those with pre-existing conditions. there will be billions of dollars of coverage for, woulding families in states like maine, virginia, missouri, florida and elsewhere, states that have been bypassed by obamacare, but under those folks will have insurance and there's protection for those with pre-existing conditions. >> so any child born with a congenital heart disease would get everything he or she needs? >> absolutely. >> okay. >> but it's true, is it not, senator, that states who get the waivers, while they may offer coverage to people with pre-existing conditions are now free to offer them at such a price that it would become unaffordable to those families, which to a lot of people is not having coverage at all. if i can't afford it, i might as
well not have coverage. >> that is not true. under our bill, the coverage has to be adequate and affordable. >> what does that mean exactly? >> we run this through the chip program, we are running this through the chip program, which is wildly popular with both democrats and republicans. and there are safeguards both within the chip program that whatever coverage is offered is, if you will, adequate and affordable but we specifically say that it has to be adequate and affordable. by the way, let me also mention status quo. there's a fellow back in louisiana whose daughter has special needs, he has to buy coverage, doesn't get a subsidy. he's paying over $40,000 a year plus a $5,000 deductible for his family coverage. now that is not affordable and that is pricing somebody whose daughter has a pre-existing condition out of the market. under our plan they would be helped. >> senator, who decides what specifically adequate and affordable means. those are vague terms and can be different things to different
people. who decides what's affordable to a family because that's very different for family a versus family b. >> that would be the secretary of hhs as in the affordable care act, as in this bill. there's some discretion on things that are allowed. for example, we think that if you say adequate and affordable, a reasonable person would say it's got to be about the same price. now, it's possible that someone has a different definition of affordable, but typically those people who have different definitions are trying to protect obamacare, think it's the only way to be and, therefore, they attempt to discredit our plan. >> do you see that some see affordable as a suggestion to be manipulated by insurance companies as well. >> it has to be approved by the secretary of hhs. this is not left up to the insurance company. but let me say, no one likes change. no one likes change even from worse to better. on the other hand, there's a fundamental philosophical difference. democrats are more comfortable
with power being in washington, d.c., and individuals being directed how they live their life. republicans are more comfortable giving power back to the patient, power back to the state with the kind of solutions that americans come up with to solve our problems. we're not going to agree on some things because there's a philosophical difference in that regard. >> dr. cassidy, can you guarantee that your bill will not result in people, families in louisiana, massachusetts or anywhere else paying higher premiums for pre-existing conditions than they pay right now? >> our families will pay less under the graham/cassidy/hell r graham/cassidy/heller/johnson amendment in states like that once the governors implement those plans. but there are protection for those families. i go back to the fellow in louisiana paying $40,000 a year, his daughter with special needs, his premiums will be lower.
>> so your bill, dr. cassidy, as i understand it, cuts coverage for low income seniors, children and people with disabilities -- >> that's not true. >> well, explain why it's not true. >> so i'm not sure if you're -- let me talk about two things. first, we focus the -- there's two pots of money. there's the traditional medicaid and the flexible block grant. the flexible block grant dollars go through the chip program and that has to be focused on those who begin at 50% of federal poverty level going up. states can spend it higher on the chip program, but the focus has to be on those from 50% to 138% of federal poverty level. so those are kind of focused upon. in the traditional medicaid pot, you may be referring to what is called the per capita cap. a proposal first made by bill clinton and then endorsed by people like the senator from
washington, patty murray, as a way to kind of give stability to the medicaid program but still deliver good care. it's what states do with managed care companies. we give you a certain amount of money per patient. now, the federal taxpayer says to the state, you get a certain amount of money per patient and the state says to the medicaid managed care company we give you that money. so we think it's fair and frankly consistent with bipartisan support in the past. >> quickly now we're back to senator cassidy. what do you say to people who indicate and articulate the idea and the thought that this proposal, as with other proposals is more about rejecting anything attached with president obama, obamacare, than it is about improving our health care system. >> you know, i bring to this not a thought about president obama but about my ethics as a physician who worked for 25 years in a public hospital for the uninsured trying to bring health care to those who are poor and working families or
even middle class families who didn't have insurance. this will bring power to that patient, power to that state for them to have control of their health care future. that's what motivates me. >> senator, both the governor of your state and jimmy kimmel don't like your legislation. are you able to win their support or you're going to proceed without their support? >> no one likes change even from worse to better. i've spoken to my governor. we both care passionately about the people in my state. i feel more comfortable with power moving out of washington to our state and to the patient. again, there is a philosophical divide. democrats are more comfortable with the federal government putting an individual mandate penalty on us, coercing us to buy insurance. which boy the way, 58% of those penalties are paid by those earning $50,000 or less. republicans think we should help those families, not penalize them. it's just a philosophical divide. i think when they see the success of our program, they'll
be pleased. >> all right, senator bill cassidy, thank you very much. we have just moments left in the show. i'm wanting to get final thoughts. you can talk round and round in circles. i've gotten e-mails during this interview saying that the senate is saying is simply not true. it's available versus affordable versus what the governors do. it is a very -- why it was so hard for president obama is why this is going to probably be impossible for republicans in the climate in washington now. mark halperin. >> republicans are doing the same thing that the obama administration did. you cannot change the health care system without having consumers who are worse off than under the status quo. like barack obama, senator cassidy is claiming no one will be worse off. it's just not true. >> carol. >> i'm looking forward to what jimmy kimmel has to say because it sounds like they both are having different interpretations of the same legislation. >> some 430,000 people in the state of louisiana alone have signed up the last year under medicaid expansion. their future remains in doubt.

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