Bay. But, no, one lap of race to go. Just one lap of racing to go. And he thinks hes won the world title. Oh, wow, that is one way to look at it. Might be tempting to celebrate. But President Trump and republicans still have one lap to go. Can they Muscle Health care reform through the senate, too, joe, what do you think . Well, i dont know. A lot of the senators certainly are skeptical, they certainly arent going to come close to a bill that has beaeeen framed ready as taking Health Care Away from 24 million americans, many of them the most important swing voters in the elections coming up in 2018 if morality doesnt matter to them, maybe just pure all politics should. 24 Million People losing their Health Care Insurance according to the message that has been sent out to americans and on top of that, mika, all of the money saved by taking away those Health Benefits all go to the richest americans in tax cuts. That is not it seems to me something to be celebrating in the rose garden, but i havent understood this president and this party in some time. Felt like a Ribbon Cutting to a golf course. Good morning, everybody. Its friday, may 5. Were joined by David Ignatius onset here in new york. Donny deutsch is with us. And senior Political Editor and White House Correspondent sam stein with us from washington. So republicans overhaul of obamacare passed the house. And though another major battle looms, yesterday the president and House Republicans were celebrating. They were jubilant. Republicans count held and with just 20 defections were able to send the bill on to the senate. Politico reports, quote, at their final proceed vote mepre meeting, they keyed up the theme from rocky to get them in a victorious mood. Cases of bud light were rolled in, tom delay was spotted smoking a cigar just off the floor. Washington post reports that the president was calling lawmakers right up to when the vote began. The paper reports a special phone booth was set up so members could receive calls from the president and his deputies. Ive never seen someone so hands on. When they say the president is calling again. I pick up the phone, i happen to be the majority leader, former whip. I know my members well. The president gives me a list of who he thinks i would be best to talk to on the list. And he was right. Robert cost take a of the p reports that it was mark meadows who brought the president around on how to deal with the congress, be telling him that he had to play ball on policy. And here is a photo in the rose goor depend garden of the president flanked by his party mika, just hold on temperature donny deutsch, sorry, i dont mean to interrupt the script here, i want you to look at this picture. A bunch of middle aged white guys. A billionaire surrounded by a lot of millionaires. They are all middle aged and orlan older white guys. And they are all going to be facing constituents next year who are going to tell them stories about how they voted to gut their health care to xwifr t give the richest 1 in their district tax breaks. I know some of my republican friends will say, gee, joe, youre being tough on your party. Im not being tough. This is simple. Nancy pelosi was right yesterday, this is going to glow on them for a long time to come. Joe, youre right. Willie turned to me and said this image yesterday, that is the end going forward, set against a backdrop, that visual, these guys get 346 billion in tax cuts. Only 5 of people with preexisting conditions will be covered going forward. Of 89 the 11 states hit hardest on this, they all voted for trump. There is no moral compass. 9 the on this, they all voted for trump. There is no moral compass. The n this, they all voted for trump. There is no moral compass. The 1 this, they all voted for trump. There is no moral compass. Disabled children will lose their benefits and were look at bunch of fat middle aged white guys. There is a woman in there, but she has her head down. Mika said it looked like a golf course Ribbon Cutting. They only have six holes of the course completed. They got it through the house which i understand why paul ryan and mark meadows is happy, but by the way, willie, its a country club with restwrrictive membership. Obviously you have to be white and a male to be there. But go ahead. And lucky enough to be healthy or to afford your health care. This is one step in the process. Donald trump needed a legislative victory, i guess he views this as a victory, but its just one step in the process. If you listen to senator after senator yesterday, they said not only are we not taking this bill up as is, were going to on start over. So i guess what i can say to people who are worried that they will lose their coverage or their kid has a preexisting condition or something along those lines, if a bill passes, if the president of the United States signs something on health care, its not going to look like what was passed through the house yesterday. And with a sea of political stupidity behind him, the president savored the moment. Yes, premiums will be coming down. Yes, deductibles will be coming down. But very importantly, its a great plan and ultimately that is what its all about. So what we have is something very, very incredibly well crafted. I said lets do this, lets go out just short little shots for each one of us, and lets say how good this plan is. We dont have to talk about this unbelievable victory, so we dont have to say it again, but it will be an unbelievable victory actually when we get it through the senate and there is so much spirit there. I want to thank the men and women behind me. I want to thank at least some of the men and women in front of me. And of course i even want to thank the media. I want to just really quickly, sam stein, lets talk about the promises that the president made and lets walk through this on the campaign trail. By the way, he made them these are trump voters that need this the most. And so he made these to his own people. He said that the Health Care Plan after obamacare is repealed will provide, quote, insurance for everyone. Not true. True or sfaulfalse . Not true. And he also said i was the first and only potential gop candidate to say there will be no cuts to medicare or medicaid. Is that true . Not true. 840 million in cuts. What about here, he said no one will Lose Health Coverage. The president said we dont want anyone who currently has insurance to not have insurance. Will anyone Lose Health Coverage under this plan . I think you know the answer to that, its not true as well. There are massive amount of people who will end up losing Health Insurance under this plan. Were only going by the old cbo score, too, right . That had 24 Million People potentially losing coverage. They didnt wait around for a new cbo score which will come. But that will likely show even more people losing coverage under this plan. The medicaid cuts i think are the biggest thing here. 840 billion in medicaid cuts. Were talking about a huge swathe of the population, about 14 million of those 24 Million People who will lose coverage. They are from the medicaid populous. So i would challenge anyone on the show, if we have a republican lawmaker or a conservative columnist, i would challenge them id ask gebd this l defend this law on the merits. Obamacare has its flaws, it is falling apart in certain marketing including iowa. Now virginia looks like it might be vulnerable. But put that aside and defend this law on the merits and i would bet you have a lot of trouble from that person defending this law on the merits. House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi issued a warning to republicans. Youre walking the plank for what . A bill that will not be accepted by the United States senate. Why are you doing this . Do you believe in what is in this bill . Some of you have said, well, they will fix it in the senate. But you have every provision of this bill tattooed on your forehead. You will glow in the dark on this one. You will glow in the dark. And on the house floor immediately after the vote, some democrats reacted to the gavel that signified the bills passage by waving goodbye to their republican colleagues. Clerk report the title of the bill. Bill to enhance sanctions with respect to transactions related to north korea and for other purposes. Wow. Okay. David ignatius, that is exactly what republicans did in 1993 to marjorie. You know her entire name. But to marjorie in 93, they all waved byebye and after they voted for bill clintons tax increase and sure enough be careful what you wish for. That is a lesson then and now. The republicans on obamacare is almost like the famous dog finally catching the car its been chasz iing. The effects especially on trumps own voters will be very severe. And this is going to be i think quite a poisonous political issue. It showed me yesterday watching just how radiant donald trump was, i saw him in new york afterward when he came up for an event here, he was just glowing. How desperately they needed a win. And they got one. But when he traded a win headline today for a losing headline 18 months from now. The win headline today which is really inside baseball, oh, we won halfway at least, the headline lose is he took your Health Care Away. He hurt your children. So he took a very inside baseball winning headline today, it will be traded for a devastating electorate losing headline in 18. And i want to talk about the senate in a second, on preexisting conditions, what obama care did is tell Insurance Companies you cannot refuse coverage to someone because they have a preexisting condition. The new bill says you cant kick people off, but you can opt out in certain states. So that gives them the cover of saying we didnt say that Insurance Companies could refuse coverage can, but we did give the states, state by state, now you will have 50 debates in 50 different states about whether or not states want to take care of people who have preexisting conditions and some states will decide they dont want to do that. Over and over again about whether they were going to strip americans of the guarantee of having preexisting coverage to take care of their little children, to take care of their parents, to take care of the weakest among us. Time and time again. And we can roll the tape where they guaranteed they were not going to strip away that federal guarantee, that federal guarantee in this house bill has been stripped away. And David Ignatius, its pretty shocking to me, we showed the clip at the top of the show of the cyclist celebrating a lap too early. I have never in 48 years of following american politics, almost half a century of following american politics, i have never seen anybody celebrate getting a bill that has no chance of passing the senate through the house. It reminds me of that famous story of Vince Lombardi when he was coaching preseason and the story of a guy returning a kickoff 100 yards celebrating in the end zone, runs over to the sidelines. Lombardi kicking the turf. He walks to the end of the bench and he says son, the next time you get to the end zone, act like youve been there before. Is well, that is what yesterday looked like. It was bushleague. And anybody that knows this town will tell you that it was bushleague. This is a team that is so hungry for victory, it will take the image of victory, it will take a moment to have the president in the rose garden with those fellows behind him all clapping to really look, when health care failed in the house, when this Republican Party which controls the entire u. S. Government could not pass legislation, i think people rightly said these guys are not going to be able to govern for four years. So they got it through the house. So were back into a situation where well have a healthy set of debate, it will end up looking very different from the way it does now. But i think they were really at the edge before and now they stepped back from the edge. Still ahead on morning joe, one of the 20 House Republicans who opposed the Health Care Plan, Leonard Lance. Plus Steve Scalise. And one of the democrats getting an early look for 2020, seth moulton of massachusetts. Up next, congressman tim ryan of ohio who challenged nancy pelosi as leader of the caucus. But first, bill karins with a check on the forecast. Good morning. Dreary friday forecast. This is after a week of just really nasty storms and all the flooding in arkansas, missouri. The flood waters still up, were still waiting for it to recede in some areas and the Mississippi River still has to crest this upcoming weekend. This is from valley park, missouri. And i think there was Something Like 70 to almost 80 highways closed in the state ever missoun of missouri alone. And the same system produced a tornado in garden city, georgia. Did significant damage there. And still a tornado threat with us this morning in eastern north carolina. Numerous tornado warnings have already happened. No confirmed tornadoes. But if youre in the wilmington area, washington, greenville, plymouth, elizabeth city, that area has a chance of an isolated very strong storm and weak tornado this morning. The rest of the northeast midatlantic, soaking rain from d. C. To State College to pittsburgh. Everywhere from cleveland to new york, now getting into the rain shield. It would be heavy at times. Here is the lunchtime. Heaviest right over the top of philadelphia and new york, d. C. Starting to clear out. Boston it looks like you have to wait until the evening rush hour for your heaviest rainfall. And as we go throughout the next two days and into the weekend, the trend is warmth in the middle of the country, bs unsettled and cool for areas ever the great lakes, ohio valley and the northeast and that includes the Kentucky Derby forecast. But it ntd would wont be a washout. Major travel delays expected as the heavy rain moves through. We, the entertainmentloving people, want all our rooms to be tv rooms. Because those are the best rooms. Because they have tvs in them. And, when were not in those rooms, we want our shows to go with us. Anywhere . You got that right, kid show thing. 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The trickle down crowd is now having a beer party in the rose garden. Joining us now here in new york, democratic congressman of ohio tim ryan. Congressman, always good about to see you. So your response to this yesterday, ill read one of your tweets, house gone message about health care for hard working americans and their families get to the back of the line, you call it a dark day for the United States house of representatives. What inside this bill concerns you most for your constituents . Where to start . The 24 Million People that will get kicked off. In my district, we have about 270,000 people with a preexisting condition. So all of those people will see higher rates. If youre a senior, we had a cap through the Affordable Care act they could only charge a senior three times as much as you can charge a younger healthier person in the plan. The republicans moved that cap so now you can charge a senior in youngstown, ohio five times what you could charge somebody young and healthy. So this is a direct are assault on working class people. And it tells them if you have a preexisting condition, youre the back of the line. If youre older, get in the back the line. There will be a lot of healthier people ahead of you in the line. On the question of preexisting conditions, fred upton and others who were nos and moved over to yes said they changed their vote because adding money to the high risk pool would take care of people with preexisting conditions. The 8 billion. Weve seen high risk pools before, before obamacare, they were around in 35 states. Do you believe that money added to the high risk pools is enough to cover are people with preexisting conditions . Not even close. 8 billion over five years which i think is where it ended up being. In a country ever 313 Million People, it will be a high cost pool and basically its an Insurance Plan. Its amaze abouting to on me that republicans lack the basic understanding of what insurance is. And that means everybody has to be in the tent. You have to have Healthy People in order to take care of the sick people and the fact that you had these guys celebrating, i mean really what are we even talking about with here . Are we really talking about and celebrating in the white house the highest executive position in the world were celebrating kicking 24 Million People of on of their health care . I thought we were in the business of trying to get People Health care, make it more affordable, and here we have a cell bragts for kicking 24 Million People off. Joe. Congressman, what is even more remarkable about it is, again, the republicans could make several arguments were not really kicking 24 Million People of on, were doing this, doing that. But instead they have set themselves up and you can put it on a Bumper Sticker that they took 24 million of or 24 Million People off of Health Insurance, stripped them of their ben with fits to give a tax cut to the richest 0001 . The numbers are almost identical. You have 800 billion in savings by stripping people of their ben with fits and you have 800 billion in tax cuts for the rich. I cant understand the messaging. I cant can understand tunderst. And most importantly, i cant understand the morality of this. Its a basic betrayal. You kind of hit the nail on the head. It is a basic betrayal of what donald trump told people in ohio when he was campaigning. I listened very carefully to what he said. He was going to expand medicaid, med kair, everybody would have access to health care. So this blue collar billionaire has completelyflopped on the working class people that put him in office. Are obviously there is a lot behind the scenes. Are you close with any of your fellow republicans who you knew were dragged over the line and in their gut know this is not politically for their own agendas. Yeah several that didnt want to, they were nos, they may have switched or they got grugdruggee whole time. And the big sell is what joe just said. Not just the tax cut in this particular bill, but the tax cut that is to do that is also going to be very much tilted towards the top 1 . So paul ryan and these guys are saying hey, we got this big tax cut coming, but we cant do it until we do health care because we need the medicare savings in the Health Care Bill. So lets talk about the Democratic Party. And can you cut through the pat lines and things that kind of dance around the issue and give me a real answer . Hillary clinton had a lot of reasons why she lost. It feels like the party hasnt looked in the mirror yet as to why we are at this point where Something Like this could happen. What do you see as a member ever t member of the Democratic Party . When i see that, i get really upset that people are celebrating the complete opposite of why should you get in the public life, why you are there, what you stand for, what you want do with the power that the people give you. So i get mad, almost like stages of grief which keep going back to getting mad. But we need an affirmative agenda. Obviously there is a lot to krit a criticize here. We have to change our brand. I mean, our brand is tear shrri but i think that starts on an agenda of getting people back to work. And jobs that cant be outsourc outsourced. Smart grid, new high tech grid that talks back be and forth to each other, allows average people to save money. That would create thousands and thousands of jobs in the United States. Laying broadband so that every community had access to high tech, whether in a school, a library or advanced manufacturing facility. Im assuming Hillary Clinton wanted a lot of those things. We didnt talk about it quite frankly. We were talking a lot about donald trump, we had a lot of commercials running about him. And we didnt have enough commercials running about how youre going to help out work class people, that these working class people, the system is rigged against them. It is geared towards the top 1 . It is geared toward the Insurance Companies. They do get all the ben f benefits. Youre throwing people of on of health care and giving a tax cut to the wealthiest in the country and sick kids will not get health care. Those are issues that hit home and i think we spent too much time talking about Donald Trumps behavior as opposed to we care about you, well go to the mat for you and thats all we talk about. Sam stein. To that point, congressing man, two days ago you have a report that the last insurer in iowa in the private marketplace mayor be pu may be pulling out of 95 of the counties. Why not put your own proactive Health Care Reform bill that would address things like what is handing in ethan happening i it in front of donald trump and say there is an alternate path . I havent seen any democrat doing that which could have prevented what we saw yesterday. I do think we should have an affirmative Health Care Plan. I dont think there is any question that we need to have again an of affirmative agenda. But lets not fool ourselves, there is absolutely no republican interest in working with the democrats at all. They have no interest in doing it, they are doing what they call the half stret rule which can means they have to pass it in their own caucus or they dont bring it to the floor. But i think simple things that we could do is extend the money that we give out to help working class people. It ends at 90,000 a year for a family. That means if you make 100 grand, youre not getting the kind of help you need to be able to afford it. We should extend those credits to working class families. I think quite frankly myself we need to drop medicare to a 55 or 50 and allow people to buy into that program with means testing so that working class families can afford it. Places like youngstown and akron, people say when they are 50, 55 years old, how much longer do i have to work until i can refitire and every time it comes down to health care. Do i have a plan that i can afford. And if we drop them to allow them to buy in with means testing, you will see a lot of people out of the job market and retire and that will open up jobs for other people. So good for the economy in the long run. Those simple things i think are easy for us do and talk about. Congressman tim ryan, always good about to see you. Thank you very much for coming in. And you next on morning joe thank you for still accepting our refugees. President obama said he will accept 1200 refugees. No, no, america first, australia sucks. Prepare to go to war. Saturday night live had fun with that contentious phone call between President Trump and australias Prime Minister in january. But what is the relationship really like following yesterdays facetoface meeting . Well ask that countrys ambassador to the u. S. Joe hockey next on morning joe. David. Whats going on . Oh hey thats it . Yeah. Everybody two second dear sebastian, after careful consideration of your applicati, it is with great pleasure that we offer our congratulations on your acceptance. Through the Tuition Assistance program, every day mcdonalds helps more people go to college. Its part of our commitment to being americas best first job. Im raph. My name is anne. Im one of the real live attorneys you can talk to through legalzoom. Dont let unanswered legal questions hold you up, because were here, were here, and weve got your back. Legalzoom. Legal help is here. Legal help is here. Whaaaat . ortgage offer from the bank today. You never just get one offer. Go to lendingtree. 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Lets take a look at the Australian Health care system and lets move lifemaybe once i look at the Canadian Health system, thank you, mr. President , let us move to a medicare for all system that does what every other major country does, be guarantee health care to all people at a fraction of the cost per capita that we spend. Thank you mr. President. Well quote you on the floor ever tof the senate. Oh, wow. After the days Big Health Care vote, President Trump met with australian Prime MinisterMalcolm Turnbull and that was Bernie Sanders last night on chris hayes enjoying the irony of the president s comments. Joining us now here onset, australias ambassador to the United States, ambassador joe hockey. Very good to see you this morning. Great to be here. Joe has the first question. Joe, take it away. Yeah, mr. Ambassador, it has been a rocky 100 days or so for donald trump. And our most steadfast allies over the past 100 years as the australians have fought side by side with us in every single war. How are things going thousand, how was the meeting . Has donald trump you gotten the message that you all are one of our longest and most steadfast allies on the world stage . Well, i think hes got a greater appreciation over the last 100 days of the rolled australias played with the United States in preserving the values that you consider important like freedom and liberty and democracy. And, yes, we are the only country that has been side by side with you for 100 years in every sginingle major battle, b that is because we share values and well continue to share values. And as you know, ive spent 20 years in australian politics. Im pretty forgiving of people who, you know, go through transitions and the president , you know, he has strong values. He was absolutely terrific last night. He was really impressive to us. And said a great message about his values to the australian people. Its obviously been an adjustment for your Prime Minister and your country working with President Trump versus president obama or even president bush. What has been the biggest challenge . The different characters. And thats what america voted for. I totally get that. President trump represents a voice in america that arguably hasnt been heard. And i understand that. Its happening in every country. I mean what has happened in the United States isnt isolated to the United States. Its happened right around the world. There are a whole group out there that feel disenfranchised and what we have to do is put aside any person am pal opinion about individual policies and say how can can we continue to help america to be great. We want america to be great. We really do. Its in our interests. There are 150,000 dead american soldiers buried in the sand between australia and japan. And that is an intergenerational legacy that we wont let go of. And i was there last night watching the celebration of the u. S. australia relationship, the 75th anniversary of the battle of coral sea which turned around world war ii, incredible history that we have together. But today when we look at asia, we see a strong china that australia needs and you see a are United States increasingly going with china saying china is our partner, china is going to be the way well solve the north korea problem. Are you comfortable with just how much the United States is now embracing chinese policies, chinese approaches to dealing with these problems . Im not sure that they are embracing chinese policies. From an australian perspective, we have two friends, but we only have one ally and that is the United States. If youre running a business, you equate to a Business Partner is the United States and our biggest customer is china. You can manage that. The growth of asia is good for the United States. Every day china creates 40,000 new businesses. And those Business People have the same values as the Business People in the United States. They want to succeed. They want to innovate. And the challenge we have over the next few years is you see 500 Million People turn in to 3 billion in the middle class in asia, how do we insure that the United States and australia continue to expand exports into that region helping them to lift their living standards. Okay. We totally understand what you say about President Trump and what voices in this country can wrought h brought him to power. When you said that the president has very strong values, are we talking about who were you talking about. Your president. What are those values . I believe he does believe in freedom and liberty. He does believe in democracy. And how do i say it . Well, i went out to the midwest and saw those people who were voting for him during the election. I formed the view you and advised my Prime Minister in march last year, march last year, that i thought that donald trump could win the election. No organization no, were the were therewith you. We understand the voices in this country that propelled him to power. But what values does he represent, what values does he hold in his heart that show a sense of an understanding of what a democracy is as opposed to a dictatorship . Not the people in america speaking. Ill give you began annual spean example. North korea is on the threshold of having an Intercontinental Ballistic Missile with a Nuclear Warhead that can take out not only the United States, but australia as well. He is standing up to north korea. That is hugely important. The days of saying, look, enough is enough, you know, well continue to put gentle pressure on china, they are over. And from our perspective, it is hugely important that the United States be strong on in the asian region, but also we have the third biggest military presence in iraq. We have there right now. We trained 27,000 iraqi soldiers and policemen. Weve done that now. And so we are there and when the president says were going to take out those bad guys in syria that drop chemical weapons on children, we say amen. Because you know what, wire at risk, as well, of those people getting such influence in the world that they can diss pose chemical weapons on top of our soldiers in iraq. And those are the values that matter to us. Boaambassador joe hockey, th you very much. Coming up, does america need to talk to bad guys . David ignatius says President Trump is right about with reaching out, but it all depends of what he says and how he says it. That is next in the must read opinion pages. Hey, im the internet i know a bunch of people who would love that. The internet loves what youre doing. 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Back in february, china banned coal imports from the north, a major blow to pyongyangs economy. And David Ignatius, you wrote earlier this week in the Washington Post that trump is right, America Needs to talk to bad guys, but carefully. And in part you write this, here is a shocking statement, President Trump is basically right, that the world is too dangerous and that the United States should hold peace talks with, lets see, china, chinese president xi jinping, kim johki jongun and any other autocrats making troubling. But let me offer caveats. Trump is too vain and self centered in his approach, he is too inexperienced to on rely so much on his gut instincts. To put it bluntly, he is so full of bluster at the start of negotiations and so accommodating later that he risks looking like a man who can be had. Trumps disruptive personality has usefully opened the door for diplomacy, but what comes next . Never mind to yes, does the trump team even know what yes might look like. Joe, what is the answer to know questions . Well, David Ignatius is right, there is david, little harm in considering talking to the putins of the world and the xis of the world, especially when we have the problem we have in north korea. But does he understand the complexities of a threat one day and a compliment the next. And more importantly, what can you tell us about what were seeing between china and north korea right now. Joe, i think this is a world that has been truly disrupted by this very unusual president. Inexperienced, tweets out comments that just turn people on their heads. And it turns out that has a benefit in that people scramble to offer their own views, their own strategies. The chinese have come up with a way of trying to be a partner for the you state, in dealing with north korea. President trump celebrates that. Thats his key approach, really, to work with the chinese, to restrain the north koreans. Its interesting. This week, Russias Vladimir Putin did exactly the same thing, offering a peace proposal for syria. John kerry, our negotiator, when he was secretary of state, would have begged for the offer putin made two days ago in a phone call to trump. Why is he doing that . I think because theres a sense that trump has brought change to the world, a lot of things are up for grabs and people want to shape whats going forward. The question i have is whether trump has a team that can really capitalize on this, in the sense of pushing u. S. Policies, u. S. Plans for how we get an end game in a way that will leave us more secure when its over. But the disruption does seem to be producing some benefits. David, we had a south korean expert on the other day who said while he was alarmed by some of the language that President Trump has used about kim jongun, saying hes a smart cookie, flattering him in these ways, there may be something to flattering kim jongun in the way that putin has figured out flattering donald trump will work to his advantage. Do you buy that at all, that theres a strategy in the way that donald trump speaks about kim jongun in a way that no other u. S. President has . I think what they saw was the battle space ends up being the metropolis of seoul, largescale loss of life if you go to a military confrontation. Trump understands this kind of flattery, ill say nice things about you, you say nice things about me. And its worked with many world leaders. Will it work with kim jongun . Its a mystery. But i think he wants to open the door with chinese encouragement toward some kind of discussion that would be, perhaps, like the discussions about the unification of germany, the fall of the cold war. Its a very ambitious approach. Theres very little expertise in this white house to support it, so well see. So, Charles Krauthhammer rights that trump is normalized but still scary. He says weve all come up with our own coping technique. Heres mine. I simply view President Trump as the wizard of oz. Loud and bombastic, a charlatan. Nothing behind the screen other than the institutional chaos that defines his white house and the psychic chaos that governs his everchanging mind. What to do . Ignore whats behind the curtain. Deal with what comes out in front. The policy, the announcements, the actions. So far they hang together eno h enough neil gorsuch, keystone xl, nato reassurances, syria strike, cabinet appointments that one can begin to talk plausibly about the normalization of the presidency. What happens when the phone rings at 3 00 in the morning . Let it ring. Let the wizard sleep. Forward the call to mattis. Thats a good one. Joe . I think most of us would degree with that. There is i have i side with David Ignatius and have for some time. Disruption in Foreign Policy can be good sometimes. It put the chinese back on their heels. Donald trump blasted the chinese for the entire campaign. They were enemy number one when it came to americas failing economy. Theres just no doubt, he softened them up for the meeting at maralago and then he is what mika and i say he is in person when he chooses to be, one of the most charming people you will ever meet around a dinner table. That worked in that case. Now hes talking about meeting with some of americas most intractable enemies which, again, as david says, not a bad thing. What i fear is that this man, who has absolutely no sense of history is surrounded by many people, many aides inside the wait house not on his Foreign Policy team who also have no sense of history, who dont know politics, who dont understand that australia has been by our side in every war since world war i, for over 100 years. They dont understand that. And not understanding that and in believing that the world began anew on january 20th, 2017, they may be willing to throw aside allies in favor of a quick deal. What are they willing to do with south korea in favor of getting a deal with north korea that might make donald trump a good headline here or there. Thats what concerns me because donald trump, end of the day sb and this is an objective fact that you can prove has no sense of history, no understanding of what every american president from fd through barack obama built up. And that is a postwar alliance to protect this countrys vital interests in all four corners of the globe. Thats my great concern. Youre right. Coming up, as he was counting the votes for health care, congressman Lance Leonard told Steve Scalize to pass it up. Can i get some help. Watch his head. Im so happy. Whatever they went through, they went through together. Welcome guys. Life well planned. See what a Raymond JamesFinancial Advisor can do for you. Gives you a reason to slow down and pull up a seat to the table. Thats why she takes the time to season her turkey to perfection, and make stuffing from scratch. So that you can spend time on what really matters. Marie callenders. Its time to savor. With sleep number, theres an adjustment for that. 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I was wondering about that. Easy boy. Nice doggy. What do you think . Not bad. Democrats singing goodbye. Nananana hey hey goodbye na na na na goodbye hey hey goodbye na na na na hey hey hey goodbye i cant even do it. The house voted to pass the Republican Health care bill before taking an 11day recess. They say theyre going to use the break to kick back, relax and finally read the bill they just voted for. Actually, when republicans in congress were rushing to vote on the bill today, a reporter was there, asking if they read it. Check out some of their responses. Have you read the bill . Um. Have you read the Health Care Bill . Have you read the Health Care Bill . Have you read this bill, congressman . Congressman, have you read the bill . Were in a hurry. Well be back. I did a better job lying in my book reports. Welcome back to morning joe. Its friday. Anyone glad its friday . So glad its friday. May 5th. Donny deutsch is still with us, along with David Ignatius and White House Correspondent for the Huffington Post, sam stein. Joining the conversation, senior politics reporter at usa today, heidi prisbala. Glad to have you on board this morning. Joe, im trying to think, in what life would you try to mouth the words of that song on television . That is just weird. No, i wouldnt do that. I wouldnt do it. Thats the first thing i wouldnt do. Second thing i wouldnt do is vote for a bill that restructures onesixth of the economy. Thats what i was thinking. That i have never read. Third thing i would never do is vote for a bill that reorders and restructures onesixth of americas economy and could strip Health Care Insurance from 24 American People without getting the Congressional Budget Office to score. You can look at every one of those Republican Leaders that were in Donald Trumps background shot, serving as his standup that basically his stand ups for a prop. And every single one of those men i just say men because theres a woman there, but she has her head down, smartly. She actually has a brain. She knows this is bad. Ducking her head. Every one of those men standing by, if youre a conservative, you need to get a Congressional Budget Office score. You need to know how much a bill costs. You need to know the impact of the bill. You have to actually read the bill. This, for donald trump yesterday, make no mistake about it. Yeah. This was about a photo event. This was about a press conference. But for tens of millions of americans, many who voted for him, who are struggling to take care of their children, who are struggling to take care of their parents, who are struggling to take care of their grandparents, this really is an issue of life and death. And so many people that voted for this bill voted without reading the bill, voted without having a cbo score and voted without having any idea what impact it would have. Yeah. On their constituents. Good luck to all of them. Ashley parker in the Washington Post really sums it up. Its a little long but worth looking at the pictures and listening to her reporting on this. President trump clapped and pointed. He grinned and nodded. He mouthed praise and boomed sxhau he even at one point turned his back as if conducting a symphony of recalcitrant lawmakers who finally, hautingly, learned how to harmonize. Rose garden ceremony for the Health Care Plan was a victory. Except it wasnt, at least not yet. He invited the lawmakers and key staff into the oval office, where many of them had never been before and posed for dozens of individual shots and photos. Perhaps it came at the end of his remarks and punch line and declared magnanimously. And, of course, i even want to thank the media. Then he raised his right fist, shook it gently, in a silent victory salute. It all played out with the president flanked by the house leadership. Heidi, what do you make of this moment . How do you characterize it . I feel like im looking at a campaign ad, about 18 months from now. Because so many of those same republicans, who actually decided to go to the white house which, by the way, a number of them didnt. From california, particularly. They headed straight to the airport. But folks like darrell issa, mimi walters, theyre probably already cutting their campaign ads. Within minutes after the vote that my mailbox started to go off with digital ads that are going to be launched over the recess by the dccc. These California Republicans are going to be in a world of hurt, in particular. David wasser, the dean of house ratings told me straight up immediately he set to work on reorganizing the ratings of about two dozen republicans. Because were not just talking about the republicans who are in the hillary districts anymore. When you look at how this transfer is going to go down on this Health Care Bill, trump districts are going to hurt big time in terms of the subsidies that are going to be taken away, in terms of the tax breaks, which are not going to be as generous. When you look at obamacare through that lens, it is really a transfer of wealth from the hulry districts to the trump districts. Were talking about people with preexisting conditions being hurt by this. Wait, wait, wait. Can i interrupt for one second . Heidi, do you mean to say its a transfer you said its a transfer of income from hillary districts to trump districts. The bitter irony is, isnt this Health Care Bill a transfer of income from trump districts to hillary districts . No. Initially the bill is, yes. What im saying is that obamacare itself is a transfer from hillary districts to trump districts, if you look at tax revenue thats going into the system. Oh, right. Yes, yes. But if this bill were to become law theyre essentially taking away from those trump districts. We had tim ryan on the show, congressman tim ryan of ohio, democrat, who said he didnt name names on the air but he said he had friends, republicans on the hill who didnt want to vote for this, were persuaded in some way by the white house to vote for it. Why would you do that if you didnt believe in something and thought it was a bad bill for people who live in your district, the people who benefit from medicare expansion, why would you vote for something you dont believe in . I think we should bring joe in on this. He probably has the better sense of mentality of House Republicans than i do. From what ive heard, talking to these folks, its a couple of reasons. They think that this bill will change ultimately, that they will pass this bill, the bill will go to the senate, moderate it, get a cbo score so it will adjust and in the outcome it will be demonstrably different than what was passed yesterday. The main reason i hear when i talk to people about this is that they felt like inaction, the inability to get something out of the house was a far worse outcome for them politically than doing what they did yesterday, beers and white house summits and all. By that, they think, you know, they spent seven years promising repeal and replace. They got both ka chambers of congress, the presidency. Then to turn at that juncture and say it was just too hard. We couldnt figure it out. We couldnt get it through the house. That would have deflated their base. They need to take this first step. Im not sure why they needed to pop bud lights and then go to the rose garden but thats the mentality im getting. I dont know that thats a smart mentality. Maybe joe would know. He knows these people a little bit more than i do. I can tell you in my own personal experience, i started running against 16year incumbent because he voted for bill clintons tax increase in the house of representatives the first time it was coming through. He ended up voting against it on the final vote. But that really didnt matter. Didnt matter, yeah. It was his vote in the house of representatives that this is what i argued that allowed that bill to move forward. Yeah. And that tax increase would have never happened if he had not helped pass it in the house the first time. And after about six months of it, donny, he just decided, i dont need this anymore and he retired. But in large approximapart beca made that vote. These House Republicans will find themselves in the same position, 29yearold versions of me with signs that say congressman x voted to cut 24 Million People off Health Care Benefits for the richest 1 , et cetera, et cetera. Takes your childs preexisting conditions treatment away, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. We put numbers. 24 million. Lets talk about a child. I was at a benefit the other night. Spectacular place. I said give me a for instance. What happens . He told me a story about a little girl named amile who had horrible head trauma swinjury a if this plan goes through, they will only keep her there for 60 days. She has been there nine months and is talking, singing, and is back at school f this goes through, that would not have happened. Obviously, there are millions of stories like this. You contrast that with the laughing, fat, grotesque white guys out there celebrating and that is the foundation for 2018, versus that mother who would be crying, whose disabled child lost health care. Its not complicated. As joe manchin said they might not remember who gave you the health care but theyll certainly remember who took it away. 20 House Republicans who voted against the gop Health Care Bill. Congressman Leonard Lance of new jersey. Congressman, why didnt you step in line and vote for the bill . You could have gone to the white house, had your picture taken with the president and gone to the oval office. Mika, i always try to vote my conscience and vote what is in the best interest of the district im honored to serve. Certainly i wanted to see a cbo score before voting on this legislation. Did you have a chance to read it . I have read a summary of it. I didnt read all 1,800 pages or whatever the number is. Certainly important to me, mika, is a cbo score, because that informs us here in congress as to the particulars of any piece of legislation. Congressman, its willie geist, fellow new jersey guy. As you talk to the people in your district, what inside this bill would be most concerning to them . And to you, specifically . Is it medicaid expansion, preexisting conditions . What would most impact the people in your district . I dont think that this bill will lower premiums for average americans, number one. Im also concerned about the preexisting conditions issue. Its attempted to be addressed in this bill but not thoroughly enough from my perspective. Of course, willie, new jersey was one of those states that expanded medicaid. So what would happen . Give a real world example if that medicare is rolled back in 2020. Who would be affected by that . There are residents in the Congressional District i serve, roughly 20,000, i believe, who had expanded Health Care Coverage based on medicaid. New jersey was one of 31 states to expand medicaid. But i also hope, willie, that democrats will come to the table. I know congressman ryan earlier said that none of us wants to work with democrats. I want to work in a bipartisan capacity on this bill because i think the exchanges are not in good shape. We in new jersey originally had five insurers for the exchange. Were now down to two. So, certainly, we need to do a better job regarding health care in this country. Congressman, this is David Ignatius. You did not vote for this bill. But im wondering what youre hearing from other republicans who did, whether they feel that this may be a dangerous vote for them, that next year they may be tarred with having supported a bill thats unpopular for the reasons that you were suggesting. What are you hearing from other republicans . David, i think there is a virtually universal consensus that this bill is going to be modified significantly in the senate. And, of course, various senators, including senator corker, have said that. So i hope that as the matter proceeds across the capital that the senate will examine this onity own. We do need reform of the system. I dont think that this bill does that. Congressman, Hillary Clinton won your district. One of the few republicans in the house that had Hillary Clinton win his or her district. Youve already drawn two democratic challenges for your race in 2018. Did you think if i vote for this ill probably lose to a democrat . No, there was not a political calculation. It was based on what i thought was best for the district. Secretary clinton did win the district by one point. I was honored to win by 38,000 votes. Barack obama carried it in 2008 and mitt romney carried it in 2012. It is a classic east coast district. The overwhelming majority of the district i serve. Congressman Leonard Lance, thank you so much for being on the show this morning. Thank you, mika. Heidi, final thoughts . I actually wanted to ask the congressman because he voted against the final bill but im pretty sure he voted for the bill in committee. And i think that is the predicament of a number of these republicans. They were pushed to do this either in committee or on the floor. I think we still have him. Congressman, are you still there . Yes. Go ahead, congressman. You voted for it in committee . I voted for amendments in committee that included a provision, not changing in any way the preexisting conditions. I was not on the ways and Means Committee and did not believe that the refundable tax credits were Strong Enough. And the final bill came out of the budget committee. I certainly agree with what our committee did on the issue of preexisting conditions, that left that alone. As you know, the bill was modified later in the process. And i think that the cbo score was really dispositive in my analysis. Heidi . Okay. What about lowering premiums . Isnt the whole structure of the bill sn essentially the same . You expressed concerns about lowering premium and that this plan wouldnt essentially do that. Isnt that essentially the same as the original bill that you supported . I think that i was informed by the cbo score. I think its not necessarily inappropriate to begin a process in a committee structure. But before we vote on the bill on the floor, i think we have to have a cbo score. Let me say, however, that i do thk we have t address the fact that the exchanges are not doing well. And that in onethird of the counties in this country not onethird of the population but onethird of the counties, there is only one insurer. We have to work in a bipartisan capacity to address that serious issue. Congressman, thank you again. Now, heidi, final thoughts . My final thoughts are that this was a great display of just the clashing ideology in congress. The thing that i was really struck by, mika, is that there was no attempt to look at how obamacare could be fixed. We know that just by virtue of Congress Taking away its spooking insurers, causing the very problem that republicans say is the whole justification for having to change the entire system. The ideological fight here is that republicans didnt want to try to fix obamacare because it is a federal program. Part of the goal here is to claw back a lot of these entitlement programs. This should be seen as part of a broader effort that could extend to other entitlements, including Social Security and medicare as this administration goes on. Mika, for small market conservatives, the correct answer is not doing this sort of frankenstein bill where you do a little bit here and a little bit there. You dont bend the cost curve. Weve got a big problem. The big problem is we spend more money per patient than any country in the world on health care. And we have a system that has all of these perverted incentives. Its not geared toward wellness. Its geared toward procedures. Its geared toward testing. Until we turn the tables over in the temple and have a real marketdriven approach, where doctors are rewarded for their results and not for cutting into people and hospitals are rewarded for getting people out of their hospitals healthy and not just running a lot of mris, were going to continue to have a failed system. And this bill does nothing in the long run to really curb the cost of this Health Care System in any fundamental way. Theres going to have to be radical reform of the Health Care System and these republicans werent willing to do enough. So, instead, they presented a plan thats only going to hurt people, that needed the Health Care Coverage the most. And they didnt even look at the cbo score. They didnt even read the bill. Remember when they mocked nancy pelosi for seven years saying weve got to pass the Affordable Care act to understand whats in the Affordable Care act . Thats what they did yesterday. Good luck to them all. I want to pick up the word you used, incentivize doctors. The smartest and youngest and brightest in this country are not going into medicine anymore because of the Health Care System and now this is pushing it further in the wrong direction. That is going to be the 2030, 40 tis advantage. We are setting up a system to push it further down the road from tracting the best and the youngest and brightest. Make no mistake. Fur a republican and think that somehow bypassing this bill yesterday you are going to save money, understand this. I know donald trump doesnt know this, but every Health Care Professional does. Every american is guaranteed Health Care Coverage. No american is going to be left out in the bushes, suffering. Hospitals have to admit them. But the problem is, it is, without a doubt, the worst system possible because you have people going to Hospital Energy rooms at 11 00 at night, indigents, with their poor children, getting taken care of. Its as inefficient and as costly to us at the end of the day as anything else because there is no free lunch in america. That gets passed on to you. That gets passed on to your family. That gets passed on to your Insurance Company. That gets passed on to the bottom line. That is why or Health Care System is rotting away. Thats why medicare and medicaid is taking up half of the budget. There has to be a sane way to do this. Its going to have to be a lot more dramatic than what happened yesterday. And you cant just do something to have a press conference. If you really want to Fix Health Care in america. I know. And rushing to a Ribbon Cutting instead of reading the bill and looking at their political futures. I dont get it. Thats a lot of really dumb politicians. And, joe, to your point remember this from 2009 . I dont think we should pass bills that we havent read, that we dont know what they cost. We want to see Health Care Reform done but we want to do it right. If you rush this thing through before anybody even knows what it is, thats not good democracy. Gosh. Wish he would have listened to himself. Thats what republicans have been saying now for eight years. Willie geist, actually, before we went to that, i was going to say, always count on brzezinski for the soft touch. I was going to add white, older and not very in shape but i thought i would be nice. I covered that earlier. Got it. Thats just sad. So dumb is nice to meek wika brzezinski. I was trying to be nice. Whats the analytical word . Its really stupid. This is the stupidest thing ive ever seen. Whats tougher, dumb or stupid . Im embarrassed. Whats harsher . Dumb or stupid . You didnt attach it to a person. It was a sea of stupidity standing behind the president. Political this, political that. Its not really that hard. You sort of attach, you know, an action. So that was a stupid vote instead of that is a stupid politician. Its simple. These things are simple. She didnt single anyone out. It was more of a it was more everyone. It was kind of a kumbaya dumb. Lets just end this. That was paul ryan in 2009 on how not to pass major legislation. Eight years later, well ask house mantle whip Steve Scalise if republican are making the same mistakes. Do we really need to ask him this . But well try. Thats going to be a good interview. Well be back. Whats the story behind Green Mountain coffee and fair trade . Lets take a flight to colombia. This is boris calvo. Boris grows mindblowing coffee. And because we pay him a fair price, he improves his farm and invest in his community to make even better coffee. All for a smoother tasting cup. Green mountain coffee. The shlike a bald penguin. How do i look . [ laughing ] show me the Billboard Music awards. Show me top artist. Show me the top hot 100 artist. They give awards for being hot and 100 years old . Well take 2 [ laughing ] xfinity x1 gives you exclusive access to the best of the Billboard Music awards just by using your voice. The Billboard Music awards. Sunday, may 21st eight seven central only on abc. I want to thank paul ryan. He has worked so hard. And i was joking. I said, you know, paul, for the last week ive been hearing paul ryan doesnt have it. Its not working with paul ryan. Hes going to get rid of paul ryan. Then today a heard paul ryans a genius. He has come a long right . Welcome back to morning swroe. Democratic congressman seth molten of massachusetts. Good to see you. Good to see you. Y are obviously not happy with the passage of this Health Care Bill. What specifically do you think would hurt members of your district, constituents of yours . Its terrible across the board. 24 Million People losing coverage. 7 million veterans, some say 8 million veterans will lose Health Care Coverage under this deal. So, trump said he was going to expand coverage. Turns out thats a lie. Trump said he was going to Lower Health Care costs. Turns out thats a lie. Trump said he cares for the troops, veterans. Turns out thats not true either. Theres nothing good to be seen in this bill. I like bipartisanship in places we can come together. Congressman moulten served four tours of duty in the iraq war. Thats the estimate for the number of veterans that will lose coverage. One thing not known about obamacare or the Affordable Care act is that a lot of veterans who didnt have Health Care Coverage before were able to get it under that plan. This will push them off. Theyll be out in the street, trying to just take care of their basic needs. Some of them will go back to the va, where i get my own Health Care Coverage. I guess ill see them in line. Whats your best explanation, congressman, for the celebration that took place in the rose garden . As you know well, this is one step in the process. Why did so many of your republican colleagues go to that press conference yesterday . Theyre celebrating a political victory. Thats the only victory to be had here. Ultimately it will be a loss for the Republican Party because americans will hold these republicans accountable. This plan has a 17 approval rating. 17 of americans across the country actually think its a good idea. And im quite confident those 17 have no idea whats in this deal. Congressman sam stein has a question for you. Theres one element of this law thats getting little coverage, but should be added on to what the congressman said, the opioid epidemic, which every member of congress has spoken out about and which President Trump has spoken out about, would be worsened by this bill because people suffering from opioid addictions wouldnt get the treatment they need. Thats one addendum. Even with if you look at the Current System right now, its obviously not perfect. There are multiple flaws. The other day, report out of iowa, for instance, said that by 95 of all the counties will lose their last insurer because its not tenable or profitable for them to stay there. So youre a lawmaker. What do you do about this . What kind of reforms can you introduce . Can you work with republicans on the set of reforms to actually change the marketplaces in a positive direction that would be bipartisan in nature . Absolutely. Democrats have stood ready to make reforms to obamacare from the very beginning. Like what . There are some in our party who say its perfect. We dont want to touch it. Ive been a big advocate for reforms. Ill give you a good example. One of the problems with obamacare, it told people that you need to get more primary care but didnt do much to incentivize primary care physicians. We need more primary care physicians out there to actually provide the preventative medicine that we need. This was our experience in massachusetts. I come from a state that led the nation in Affordable Health care. It was one of the top reasons cited for young entrepreneurs for moving to massachusetts at the time to start businesses because they had health care. We did it in a bipartisan fashion, with republican governor, Democratic Legislature and we made improvements to it, updated it in a bipartisan way. Thats what we should be doing in congress, working to improve health care for 24 million americans, not take it away from them. Donny, i dont know a lot of democrats who dont agree there are improvements, a lot of improvements that can be made, that should be made. Yeah. Without question. Im curious a little bit about process. And willie mentioned this with congressman ryan before. Joe, i would like you to jump in after the congressman. What does the president do, and maybe youve been through this this, when we say theyre twisting arms. What do they actually do . As opposed to please juch on the band wagon. What are the tools . This is not a partisan thing. Basically, they work you guys over. They call you into the white house. They show the Vice President showed up several times at capitol hill. They make a lot of phone calls. One of the republicans we should be celebrating today is representative charlie dent of pennsylvania. I was on the train with him last night. He said he got multiple calls from the president , i think three calls, trying to change his mind. He said no. This isnt the right thing for my district or my country. He got multiple visits from the Vice President , and Speaker Paul Ryan breathing down his neck, saying he has to do this for his party. What i hear about the argument is that you need to do this for your party. No one is making an argument that this is good for the American People. By the way, the next election, not going to put any rnc funds in there. We know the calls come. There is a Suicide Mission here. What is the hatchet, what is the bat they technically use other than we want you to do it for the team. Ive never been in that position in a sense that i think people know im going to vote the way i believe. To a certain extent this threat of not getting reelection funds is a real threat in these competitive districts. There are moderate republicans, friends of mine, who knew this was a bad vote but took it anyway. And thats shameful. Its not the right thing to do. You know, you know who you are out there. But i have to imagine that arm twisting, in terms of your prospects of getting reelected, was part of the deal. Congressman seth moulten, thank you very much for being on the show this morning. Thank you, congressman. Still ahead on morning joe its amazing to me that republicans lack the basic understanding of what insurance is. Were celebrating kicking 24 Million People off of their health care. Is this where we are . 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Welcome back to morning joe. Joining us now, congressman Steve Scalise. Good morning. Thanks for being with us. Good morning. Glad to be with you. I want to ask you about the state of louisiana, some 30 of people under 65 in your state, sir, have a preexisting condition. What do you say to them this morning . They have a fear, not only in new orleans, but across this country that they may no longer be covered if this bill becomes law. We have multiple layers of protection in our bill for people with preexisting conditions. What im hearing from my constituents, especially with preexisting conditions, one, theyre paying more than before obamacare. But the law doesnt work for them. Theyre utilizing the Health Care System more than most people. The massively high deductibles in obamacare, in some cases over 10,000 a year, are really whats creaming them. Theyre going to the doctor and theyre paying everything out of pocket even though theyve got a very expensive Insurance Plan. Theyve got insurance that doesnt really work for them. They have to have it, according to the law. Yet theyre paying for everything out of pocket anyway. Theyre saying give me some relief from this. Thats what this bill does, provides relief with multiple layers of protection for people with preexisting conditions and a real focus on lowering premiums for all americans. As you know, congressman, under the Affordable Care act, Insurance Companies could not deny coverage to somebody with a preexisting condition. That remains true under your bill. Right. Thats in our bill. Right. But Insurance Company under your bill could charge more, making it for people with preexisting conditions, many of them, unattainable, unaffordable. Do you worry about the people who will no longer be able to afford the Coverage Even though it is available to them . First of all, thats not true for anybody who already has insurance and keeps insurance. And even if you lose your job and, lets say you go on cobra or medicaid. You are still continuously covered. The bill insures that anybody who is continuously covered gets priced like anybody, whether you have a preexisting condition or not. If a state wants to have some kind of waiver to have more flexibility in our bill we give states flexibility to do an even better job rather than some onesizefitsall. They cant waive your continuous coverage provision and you have that same protection. They have to put in place a highrisk pool to lower costs even more for people with preexisting conditions. Are you able to look into the camera this morning and say to everybody in your district and everybody in this country who currently enjoys coverage who has a preexisting condition that they will continue to enjoy that coverage under your bill . If you have continuing if you have a plan today and you have a preexisting condition, under our bill youll be protected forever, as long as you want. You can again you can move around from one plan to another. In obamacare, you dont really have choices. We saw in iowa, just two days ago, in 94 out of 99 counties, you wont have anybody that will sell you insurance in obamacare. Thats how bad this law is. We need to change it and give people real choices and lower premiums. And in our bill, we have multiple layers of protection for people with preexisting conditions. So everyone with a preexisting condition right now who is covered under obamacare will continue to have coverage . Absolutely. Everyone . Oh. Everyone. And their rate also remain affordable even though theres more flexibility for Insurance Companies state by state . Their rate also remain affordable. If somebody drops out of the Insurance Market all together and wants to come back and get in, we put extra money in place. The last amendment that was added a few days ago and maybe a lot of people didnt get a chance to look at t our members did. It was an eightpage amendment. It put an extra 8 billion in the bill to help specifically people with preexisting conditions, who just chose on their own to stop having Insurance Coverage so now they can even get back in the Insurance Market and actually get coverage thats affordable for them. Sam stein . I want to talk about medicaid. Medicaid, under your provision, theres 840 billion in cuts to the medicaid. The cbo estimated that 14 Million People will lose their coverage out of the 24 Million People that lose coverage, 14 million will be medicaid eligible. What is your message to someone who depends on medicaid . Lowincome people, often have bad medical conditions, no private insurance. They need medical help. Ive talked to a bunch of them and theyre petrified about their medical futures. Can you give them some relief . Sure. People on medicaid that are concerned today, i can say help is on the way. Anybody in america on medicaid knows its the most broken form of health care. In many cases, it might be a free insurance card but very few doctors take you. In fact, i dont know of many doctors that take new medicaid patients. You have an insurance card thats free but you cant go see anybody, so youre seeing emergency room visits are going up. For decades weve been wanting to reform medicaid so that states can run the program. Its run out of washington right now. If you have an innovative idea in a state you cant even change the program to help lowincome people. Youre taing taking 840 billion, flexibility is helpful but in sheer numbers of dollars youre going to end up with 14 million fewer people without Health Insurance. What do you do for those people . If you look at that cbo score that youre citing, look at the first year. 10 Million People will Lose Health Coverage in year one of our plan. Of course, in year one of our plan, we have a transition where nothing changes. I actually went and asked, how can you say people will lose coverage when the law stays in place . And they said because you will give people the option to get out of obamacare. So we think 10 Million People will actually go choose something different. Thats called freedom. Nobody lost anything. They just said obamacare doesnt work for my family. Finally under our republican plan you can actually get out of obamacare and go buy something better. You didnt lose anything. But, ultimately, what were focused on is making the program work better. Medicaid does not work well. We actually give governors and states the ability to run their program with flexibility. With the same dollars they have. Can i jump in a second . Sure. We talked about the bottom of the totem pole. Lets talk about the top. Explain to me the political moral or economic logic giving away a tax break to people making over 200,000 a year. Im not sure of any logic that get mees there. First of all, youve got to understand what obamacare did. Obamacare put about 900 billion of new taxes on the books. Thats just obamacare. What we do is cut all those obamacare taxes. Only for the rich, though. But thats just the rich. Lowincome people are not getting tax cut. Somebody making 25,000 a year, 30,000 a year is rich, maybe you need to reevaluate your definition. Everybody who pays taxes will actually get a tax break because we cut the obamacare taxes, all of them. The disproportionate goes to the benefits, do go to the wealthy people. Thats a fact. If somebody pays taxes and we eliminate that tax, everybody who pays that tax gets their money back. It was a bad tax. Obamacares tacks were focused on going out and punishing anybody in the marketplace. Its one of the reasons you saw insurance costs spike dramatically under obamacare. All these people defending obamacare, thats their prerogative. What are you saying to the millions of people paying 25 increases . In maryland next year theyre expected to pay 50 more for their health care. In iowa, virginia, the largest provider is pulling out of virginia. Theyre going to sit on the sidelines and let that happen. The law doesnt work. You can criticize it, but those families have been waiting for relief for seven years. We campaigned on this. We got elected on the promise of gutting obamacare and replacing it with reforms that actually put you back in charge of your Health Care Decisions and lower premiums. Congressman i know you need to run. It was effectively a collective eye roll, including for many republicans who said thats great what they did in the house. Were going to start with a clean slate and create an entirely new bill. Do you believe all these things you touted here today, all these provisions you passed will actually show up in a law . If any senator has a better idea i wish them well. Senators have a bill with their name on it and nobody else. What theyre going to find is that you have to build consensus. We put 217 votes on the board and it took weeks and weeks to do it because everybodys got good ideas. Some of them dont work for other people. If you have a good idea you need to find 50 other people that share your good idea. And the focus needs to be on lowering premiums and putting families back in charge of their health care. Thats what we did. Wu we put a good bill together that will achieve those goals. I wish them well. I hope they can do it. Their focus needs to be the same. Lowering premiums, rescuing families from the failures of obamacare and we gave them that opportunity. Good luck to them. House majority whip, Steve Scalise, thank you very much for being on the show this morning. Good being with you. Much more on the treacherous political road ahead for the president as he tries to push the law through a skeptical senate. Well talk about it with our political round table. 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Each time i recognize it all came down to the people that decided to be great mentors and supporting actors to me. Ultimately when i stepped back a few years ago i came to the recognition were really at this crisis of leadership. When you look, its almost acceptable to have a world com, an enron. Its almost accept abl to have cultural issues, united, uber. It just seems we have focused leadership so much on competency and so little on character. And if you look at the Edelman Trust barometer, thats at a 17year low. I mean, trust across every institution, media, companies, ngos, were at a 17year low. Institutional trust is on the decline. It has to do with the character of leadership. Wrote a chapter in one of my people, good people, literally this. There are do i have copyrights. I drew a grid and said, theyre smart, dumb, mean, nice, stay in the smart nice quadrant. How do we confinkind of square with our leader in the white house right now, whether you agree or disagree with his politics, has demonstrated the opposite of good behavior, the opposite of being a decent human in many instances . How do we preach this when from up above were getting different signals . I think it goes beyond just any single leader right now. Overall we have generally had a complete biased towards competency and other intrinsic factors and not character. What we have to go back to is a valuebased leadership system. We have to recognize, in my business, its a privilege and duty to serve. We almost need to put back, as you said, the bedside manners into leadership. Leadership is about producing other leaders. Its not about trying to create followers. Leadership is fundamentally about helping others become the fullest version of who they are and recognizing were in a position to try to be people first and help those people be the fullest and truest version of who they are. The book is good people, the only leadership that really matters. I have to tell you, it sort of seems like you talk about the trust deficit, that people are seeing across the board. It does impact business, the quality of the leadership, absolutely. From the top down . Yes. What are examples of that going wrong or going well . Sure. We looked at 100 case studies of my business of investing in earlystage companies there are 100 case studies we looked at. The only longterm factor is culture. You would think its google, apple. The company i found really interesting, wd40 in san diego. Get out. 98 of people working at wd40 love working there, want their want their friends and families to be employed members there. Thats cool. Tony tjan, thank you. 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President trump and republicans still have one lap to go. Can they Muscle Health care reform through the senate too, joe . What do you think . I dont know. A lot of the senators are certainly skeptical. They certainly arent going to come close to a bill thats been framed already and the public is taking Health Care Away from 24 million americans. Many of them the most important swing voters in elections coming up in 2018. If morality doesnt matter to them, maybe just pure allpolitics should. 24 Million People losing their Health Care Insurance, according to the message thats been sent out to americans. And on top of that, mika, all of the money saved by taking away those Health Benefits all go to the richest americans in tax cuts. That is not, it seems to me, something to be celebrating in the rose garden, but i havent understood this president and, quite frankly, this party in some time. Felt like a ribboncutting to a golf course. Good morning, everyone. Its friday, may 5th. Were joined by columnist and associated editor for the Washington Post, David Ignatius on set here in new york. Donny deutsch is with us and senior Political Editor correspondent for the Huffington Post sam stein with us from washington. Republicans overhaul of obamacare passed the house. Though another major battle looms, yesterday the president and House Republicans were celebrating. They were jubilant. Republicans whip count held and with 20 defections were able to send the billion to the senate. Politico reports, at their final prevote meeting, gop leaders kud up the theme from the movie rocky to get lawmakers in victorious mood. Cases of bud light were rolled into the capitol. Tthe Washington Post reports the president was calling lawmakers right up to when the vote began. The paper reports a special phone booth was set up in the house cloakroom so members could receive calls from the president and his deputies. Ive never seen someone so handson. When they say the president s calling again. I pick up the phone, i happen to be the majority leader, the former whip. Know my members well. The president gives me a list of who he thinks i would be best to talk to on the list. And he was right. Robert costa of the post reports it was Freedom Caucus chairman mark meadows who brought the president around how to deal with congress, telling him charm and sales wont work, that he had to play ball and policy. Heres a photo in the rose garden with the president flanked by leadership. He surrounded himself mika, just hold on. Lets donny deutsch, i dont mean to interrupt the script here. I want you to look at this picture. A bunch of middleaged white guys. Of a billionaire surrounded by a lot of millionaires. Yeah. Theyre all middleaged and older white guys. And they are all going to be facing constituents next year who are going to tell them stories about how they voted to gut their health care, to give the richest 1 in their district tax breaks. Joe now, i know some of my republican friends will say, gee, joe, youre being tough on your party. Im not being tough. This is simple. Nancy pelosi was right yesterday. This is going to glow on them for a long time. To come. Joe, youre right. Willie turned to me and said, that image going forward, thats the ad going forward, set against that back drop. They get 346 billion in tax cuts. 5 of people with preexisting conditions will be covered going forward. The irony is of the 11 states that will be hit hardest by this with people with preexisting conditions under the age of 65, they all voted for trump. Theres no moral compass, disabled children will be losing benefits in school. What with we looking at . A bunch of fat, middleaged rich white guys. Theres a woman down there with her head down. Thats your ad going forward. Mika said this looked like a golf course Ribbon Cutting with six holes of the course completed. They got it through the house, which i understand why paul ryan is happy. I understand why mark meadows in that picture is happy. By the way, willie, its a country club with restrictive membership. Right. Obviously, you have to be white and a male to be there. But go ahead. And lucky enough to be healthy or afford your health care. This is one step in the process. Donald trump needed a legislative victory. I guess he views this as a victory but its just one step in the process. If you listen to senator after senator yesterday, they said, not only are we not taking this bill up as is, were starting with a clean slate. Were going to start over. I guess what i could say too people who are worried theyre going to lose their conch their kid has a preexisting condition or something along those lines, if the bill passes, if the president of the United States signs something on health care, its not going to look like what passed through the house yesterday. With a sea of political stupidity behind him, the president savored the moment. Yes, premiums will be coming down. Yes, deductibles will be coming down. But very importantly, its a great plan. And ultimately, thats what its all about. So, what we have is something very, very incredibly well crafted. I said, lets do this. Lets go out, short little shots for each one of us and say how good this plan is. We dont have to talk about this unbelievable victory. It was unbelievable so we dont have to say it again. But its going to be an unbelievable victory, tlil, when we get it you through the senate and theres so much spirit there. I want to thank the men and women behind me. I want to thank at least some of the men and women in front of me. And, of course, i even want to thank the media. I want to i want to just really quickly, sam stein, lets talk about the promises that the president made and lets walk through this on the campaign trail. By the way, he made them these are trump voters that need this the most. Yep. So, he made these to his own people. He said that the Health Care Plan after obamacare is repealed will provide, quote, insurance for everyone. Not true. True or false . Thats not true. Okay. He also said when he ran for president , he said, i was the first and only potential gop candidate to say there will be no cuts to medicare or medicaid. Is that true . Not true. 840 million billion what about he said no one will Lose Health Coverage. The president said, we dont want anyone who currently has insurance to not have insurance. Will anyone Lose Health Coverage under this plan . I think you know the answer to that. That is not true as well. Theres a massive amount of people who will end up losing Health Insurance under this plan. Were only going by the old cbo score, too, that had 24 Million People potentially losing coverage. They didnt wait around for a new cbo score, which will come in a couple days. That will likely show even more people losing coverage under this plan. The medicaid cuts i think are the biggest thing here. 840 billion in medicaid cuts. Were talking about a huge swath of the population, about 14 million of those 24 million who will lose coverage, theyre from the medicaid populous. I would challenge anyone on the show, if we have a republican lawmaker or conservative columnist, i would ask them i would ask them, defend this law on the merits. Dont you know, obamacare has its flaws. It is falling apart in certain markets, including iowa, now virginia looks like it might be vuler . Able. Put that aside and defend this law on its merits. I put you would have a lot of trouble from that person defending this law on the merits. House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi issued a warning to republicans. Youre walking the plank for what . A bill that will not be accepted by the United States senate. Why are you doing this . Do you believe in what is in this bill . Some of you have said, well, theyll fix it in the senate. But you have every provision of this bill tattooed on your forehead. You will glow in the dark on this one. You will glow in the dark. And on the house floor immediately after the vote, some democrats reacted to the gavel that signified the bills passage by waving goodbye to their republican colleagues. The title of the bill. Hr16 a bill to goodbye wow. David ignatius, david, that is is exactly what republicans did in 1993 to marjorie i you know her entire name, but to marjorie in 93, they all waved byebye after they voted for bill clintons tax increase. Sure enough, republicans be careful what you wish for. That is a lesson then and now. The republicans on obamacare its almost like the famous dog finally catching the car hes been chasing. Okay, now what . As each of commentators have been saying, the effects, especially on trumps own voters, will be very severe. This is going to be, i think, quite a poisonous political issue. It showed me yesterday watching just how radiant donald trump was, i saw him in new york afterward when he came up for an event here, he was just glowing, how desperately they needed a win. Still ahead on morning joe, he calls it a dark day for the house of representatives. Democratic congressman tim ryan reacts to the republican vote on health care and how his party plans to fight back. But first, bill karins with a check on the forecast. Bill . Mika, bad weather heading up the east coast with dangerous storms. Yesterday they were Still Producing heavy rain over the flood zone of arkansas and missouri. A lot of rivers have crested. Now were waiting for the Mississippi River to crest over the weekend. Theres water everywhere. Over 100 roads are closed in the state of missouri. The pictures of the cleanup will be devastating, especially to homeowners. Lets talk about georgia last night. We did have a tornado roll through. It wasnt a strong one but it was Strong Enough to do significant damage to this business in garden city. We still have a tornado threat this morning. Watch is now issued for norfolk, Virginia Beach area, all the outer banks, and up to the north from washington, d. C. South wards, some strong thunderstorms, severe thunderstorm warnings along i95. If youre in the d. C. Area around fredericksburg over the next half hour is when the worst of the weather will be over the top of you. To the north a big shield of rain. New york airport delays averaging 2 1 2 hours. Were waiting for reports from phillynd d. C. Im sure when the storms go through d. C. Theyll put a ground stop in. D. 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What inside this bill concerns you most for your constituents . Where to start . The 24 Million People that are going to get kicked off. In my Congressional District alone we have 270,000 people with a preexisting condition. 2. 7 Million People in ohio. All of those people now are going to see higher rates. If youre a senior, we had a cap through the Affordable Care act, you could only charge a senior three times as much as you can charge a younger, healthier person in the plan. The republicans move that cap so now you can charge a senior in youngstown, ohio, five times what you could charge someone young and healthy. This is a direct assault on working class people and it tells them, if you have a preexisting condition, youre the back of the line. If youre older, get in the back of the line. There will be healthier people and Insurance Companies ahead of you in the line. On the question of preexisting conditions, fred upton and others who were no and moved to yes said changing money to the fund, the 8 billion. Weve seen highrisk pools before obamacare. They were around in 35 states. Do you believe that money added to the highrisk pools is enough to cover people with preexisting conditions . Not even close. 8 billion over five years is what i think it ended up being, which is a little over 1 billion a year in a country of 313 Million People. Its not going to go very far at all. Its going to be a highcost pool. Its basically an Insurance Plan its amazing to me that republicans lack the basic understanding of what insurance is. That means everybodys got to be in the tent. Youve got to have Healthy People in order to take care of the sick people. The fact that you had these guys celebrating i mean, what are we even talking about here . Are we really talking about and celebrating in the white house the highest executive position in the world, were celebrating kicking 24 Million People off of their health care . Is this is where weare . Why get into politics . I thought we were in the business of trying to get People Health care, make it more affordable. Here we have a celebration for kicking 24 Million People off. Joe . Congressman, whats even more remarkable about it is, again, the republicans could make several arguments, were not really kicking 24 Million People off, were doing this, were doing that. But they havent answered that charge. Instead, they have set themselves up, and you can put it on a Bumper Sticker that they took 24 million or 24 Million People off Health Insurance, stripped them of their benefits to give a tax cut to the richest 00. 1 . The numbers are almost identical. You have 800 billion in savings by stripping people of their Health Care Benefits and you have 800 billion in tax cuts for the rich. I cant understand the messaging. I cant understand the logic. Most importantly, i cant understand the morality of this. Well, its a basic betrayal, joe. You kind of hit the nail on the head. It is a basic betrayal of what donald trump told people in ohio when he was campaigning. He came a lot. I listened very carefully to what he said. He was going to expand medicare. He was going to expand medicaid. Everybody was going to have access to health care. So, this bluecollar billionaire has completely flipflopped on the working class people that put him in office. Congressman, obviously theres a lot of behind the scenes. Without naming names, are you closer with any republican of your fellow congressmen who you know were really dragged over the line and in their gut know this is not the moral thing but not even politically for their own agendas . Yeah, several that i talked to that didnt want to. They were nos. They may have switched or they got drug the whole time, i mean, starting months ago. And the big sell is what joe just said. Not just the tax cut in this particular bill, but the tax cut thats to come, that is also going to be very much tilted towards the top 1 . Paul ryan and these guys are saying, look, we have this big tax cut coming but we cant do it until bedo health care because we need the savings in health care. Coming up on morning joe, President Trump praises australias Health Care System, one that looks a lot different than the plan just passed by the house. Australias ambassador to the u. S. Joins us here on set. Morning joe is coming right back. Once upon a time hansel and gretel came upon a house made out of gingerbread. Being quite hungry, they started eating the roof. The homeowner was outraged. Luckily the Geico Insurance agency had helped her with homeowners insurance. 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I shouldnt say this to our great gentleman and my friend from australia, because you have Better Health care than we do. They do have they have universal they do. I thought oh, okay. Wait a minute, wait a minute. The president has just said it. Thats great. Lets take a look at the Australian Health care system and lets move. Lets look at the canadian Health Care System or systems throughout europe. Thank you, mr. President. Lets move to a medicaid for all system that does what every other country on earth does, guarantee health care to every person at a fraction of the cost per capita. Thank you, mr. President , well quote you on the floor of the senate. President trump met with Malcolm Turnbull. That was Bernie Sanders on chris hayes, enjoying the irony of the president s testimony. Joining us is the ambassador to the United States, joe hockey. Great to be here. Joe has the first question. Joe, take it away. Mr. Ambassador, its been a rocky 100 days or so for donald trump and our most steadfast allies over the past 100 years, as australians have fought side by side with us in every single war over the past 100 years. How are things going now . How was the meeting . Has donald trump gotten the message that you all are one of our longest and most steadfast allies on the worlds stage . Well, i think he hes got a greater appreciate over the last 100 days of the role australias played with the United States in preserving values you guys consider important like freedom, liberty, democracy. Yes, we are the only country that has been side by side with you for 100 years in every single major battle but thats because we share values and were going to continue to share values. As you know, joe, ive spent 20 years in australian politics. Im pretty forgiving of people who, you know, go through transitions and the president , you know, he has strong values. He was absolutely terrific last night. He was really impressive to us and sent a great message about his values to the australian people. Mr. Ambassador, its obviously been an adjustment for your Prime Minister and your country working with donald trump or president obama or president bush before him. Whats been the biggest challenge working with President Trump as opposed to, say, president obama . Well, theyre different characters. Thats what america voted for. I mean, i totally get that. President trump represents a voice in america that arguably hasnt been heard. I and understand that. Its happening in every country. I mean, whats happened in the United States isnt isolated to the United States. Its happened right around the world. There are a whole group out there that feel disenfranchised. What weve got to do is put aside any personal opinions about individual policies and say, how can we help america to be great . We want america to be great. We really do. Its in our interest. There are 150 thousand dead american soldiers buried in the sand between australia and japan. And thats an intergenerational legacy we wont let go of. Mr. Ambassador, i was there last night watching the celebration of the u. S. australia relationship, the 75th anniversary of the battle of coral sea which turned around world war ii. Thats incredible history we have together. But today when we look at asia, we see a strong china that australia needs. You see the United States increasingly going with china, saying chinas our partner, chinas the way we will solve the north korea problem. Are you comfortable with how much the United States is now embracing chinese policies, chinese approaches to dealing with these problems . Im not sure, david, theyre embracing chinese policies. From an australian perspective, we have two friends but only one ally, thats the United States. You can manage that. I mean, the growth of asia is good for the United States. Every day, china creates 40,000 new businesses. Those Business People have the same values as the Business People in the United States. They want to succeed. They want to innovate. And the challenge we have over the next few years, 500 Million People turn into 3 billion in the middle class in asia, how do we ensure the United States and australia continue to expand exports into that region, helping them to lift their living standards, how do we do is that . Thank you. Coming up on morning joe, we know how the democrats feel, but what do the markets make of the Health Care Plan heading to the senate . We have a live report from cnbc straight ahead on morning joe. Why do people have eyebrows . Why do people put milk on cereal . Oh, are you reading why people put milk on cereal . Why does your tummy go grumbily, grumbily, grumbily . Why is it all . No more questions for you ouph, that milk in your cereal was messing with you, wasnt it . Yeah, happens to more people than you think. 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Better than the 4. 5 registered. In terms of where the jobs were, we were looking at breaking it down by industry to see who added the most. It looks like retail did add more than 6,000 jobs. That was a big question mark because the last few months retail has lost thousands of jobs as Department Stores and retail all over this country changes and closes. Manufacturing and construction jobs rose. Thats an important one. We know President Trump has been focused on reigniting that sector. At a weaker pace. To put the trends in perspective. A strong month of hiring in january and february. It weakened and that was weaker than expected in march. Only 78,000 jobs or so added in march. It looks like this is good news that things are picking up in april and maybe the economy should rebound from a very weak start of the year from economic growth. Wanted to mention wages. They grew 2. 5 from last year. So, its good to see wages climbing but we need to see better wage growth. Were seeing such tight innocence the labor market, so much demand for jobs, we should see wages go up a little faster than that. Just in terms of the Employment Labor force participation rate, holding steady, 62. 9. We were at 63 last time. Wanted to mention reaction to the Health Care Vote, which i know you have been talking about all morning long. Overall the market sort of shrugged it off, a mild reaction but the health care industry, the sector, was the second best performing yesterday. This is seen as mostly positive. Especially for the insurers because it gets rid of some of the obamacare taxes on them. For the hospitals, its sort of a mixed picture. We need to see more details, especially at how much money is allotted to medicaid down the road. But overall, the markets are shrugging it off. One, because it still faces a very uncertain future in the senate, as you have been talking about. Two, theyre looking forward to other progrowth policies like tax reform. If that makes this more likely, thats seen as a positive. Wall streets in a show me mode. The s p is still up a little more than 10 since election day. Great analysis. Thank you very much. Have a great weekend. Before we go on a little bit, its been out in the news. I dont know if Everybody Knows mika and joe got engaged. Wait, what . Its been out there. Please, dont. Willie and steve rattner, myself, a lot of the kids chipped in and a lot of people dont know you and joe are fondue lovers. We got you a fondue maker. This is just something from all of us. Give it to me. Ratner did not kick in. Sit down and stop it. Its fondue. We know you make a lot of fondue. Thats our way of saying we love you. Thank you. Your first gift. Youve been so helpful. It wasnt on the registry. We spoke to dr. Brzezinski and he said you like fondue. Willie was pushing more for the candlesticks and we went with fondue. As usual, youre an idiot. Thank you very much. Lets bring into the consideration bill press and on capitol hill former Communications Director for ted cruzs 2016 president ial campaign, and now you know i just turned 50. Political contributor rick tyler. Rick . Congratulations. Thanks. Love you both. Way to go, donny. Derailed you. Derail the entire show. Job numbers. Can we thank President Trump for that or is that, like, sour grapes . And i should thank President Trump for those great numbers . A little bit of both. Those are good numbers, especially the wage growth, 2. 5 , thats good. 211 is better than break even but in the right direction. And as was just reported, i do think the markets in a wait and see and well see if policies and regulation, especially legislation, is going to turn this economy around into a progrowth economy. Meek kashyou go back to janu when president obama took over, we were losing 800,000 jobs a month. He turned that around. I think its over 40 straight months of positive job growth. This is a great trend that started under president obama. Continuing under President Trump. Most people say under 5 is full employment. 4. 4 , so thats great news. The Insurance Companies liking the bill that was passed, duh. They get to raise premiums, deductibles. Theyll make out like bandits under this new legislation so of course they like it. Nobody else does. As republicans and President Trump had that big celebration in the rose garden, there was this question, now what happens in the senate . The Health Care Bill transfers to Upper Chamber where reactions were muted compared to the rose garden celebration. The Washington Post reports President Trumps first phone call was to Mitch Mcconnell saying, bluntly, the ball is in your court. Republican senators seem skeptical to say the least. Lindsey graham tweeting, a bill finalized yesterday has not been scored, amendments not allowed and three hours final debate should be viewed with caution. Others in the caucus also have reservations. It will now begin writing a bill of their own. Generally the senate has waited now to see what actually the house thought was doable and found to be doable. But at the end of the day, i think theyll be there will be a senate bill and then those two bills at some point will have to come together and well get started on that senate bill immediately. I think that the house Freedom Caucus made is a lot less bad, is one of the nicest things i can think to say. The Insurance Company gets to socialize their losses and privatize their gains. So, those are things i still dont like about the product. But im hopeful we can make it better in the senate. The senate will write its own bill. Thats the way it works, right . So, theyll pass theirs. Well pass ours and then well go to conference. I dont think that the house bill necessarily predicts what is in the senate bill. And we have only 52 senators. There has to be consensus. We promised the American People, and i promised the people of arizona, we would repeal and replace obamacare. Would you like to whats that . Do you like the house bill . I, frankly, havent paid that much attention. Really theres no reason for me to because we will take it up here. So, rick tyler, not exactly ringing endorsements from Senate Republicans. Lisa murkowski and others saying, were starting with a clean slate and write our own bill. Whats the future of the house bill in the senate . Dead on arrival. The house celebration at the white house was a little strange yesterday. They were celebrating as if they had won a championship game and basically what they did was recover a fumble. And so it was a little bizarre. You saw mccain right there, he doesnt even know whats in the house bill. He says he doesnt have to Pay Attention because the senate will write a different one, then go back to the house and see if the Freedom Caucus can pass what the senate put up there. Its deception by omission. Both sides arent telling the full story, the other persons position. I think everybody wants to get to health care. Yes, the republicans passed this on a political basis but democrats are democrgoging it. So, bill, just are they participating in a rouse in the rose garden or do they really think senate is going to read this bill and think its good for america . Mccain doesnt know whats in the bill. Those in the rose garden dont know whats in the bill. They voted for something they havent read, they havent seen, the cbo hasnt scored. Steve on our show said no one will lose their health care. Not one person. Thats absolutely false. That is fake news. I mean, the cbo for the first bill scored the 4 million americans would lose their health care. Thats when preexisting conditions were thats what i mean by deception by omission. The cbo scored 24 million would lose their health care. When obamacare passed millions lost Health Insurance, including me. I got different Health Insurance, im paying three times as much. Theres a difference. You know theres a difference. There were 12, 13 Million People getting subsidies because they could never afford to buy Health Insurance before. Those subsidies are gone. Thats a tax shift from those people but youre not taking into account there, bill theyre gone. If you change the rules about coverage, you can drive down prices and you dont need as many subsidies. Look, i dont know if thats going to work. We dont know because the cbo hasnt scored it. I agree with you in a sense that the process is really bad. We have a bad bill and its going to be replaced by a bad bill. Its really pathetic. These guys ought to get together and just fix this thing because people are going to suffer for it. Well, on that point, i do agree with you on this. It seems to me strange. So, here the republicans control the house and the senate and the white house, right . They control everything and they basically do nothing. You would think they would take the time to work out a bill and a plan that the senate would go along with, work with Senate Republicans come up with a bill that congress would pass. Instead, what paul ryan did was do the same thing theyve done 65 times under president obama, which is just pass a bill that is dead on arrival in the senate. We know paul ryan. Is that worth celebrating . I know hes a smart person. I think he gits gets credit. They received a w, thats it. Theres no more foresight beyond that. The roosters are coming back two different United States congressmen coming here who didnt vote for it saying they have republican friends they know who didnt want to vote for the bill but felt compelled to help donald trump get a victory, perhaps at their own peril. Bill clinton, barack obama had control of the both houses, they squandered first two years of their presidency trying to get through complicated health care. Donald trump is doing the same thing. This is a dream come true, i believe, for democrats. Interesting. Rick, last word. I agree with bill. I think its a dream come true for democrats. Unfortunately, id like to seat democrats actually work with republicans. I would would, too. And solve this problem. I would, too. When do people come down to reality and do that . Tom brokaw joins us next. Thank you, both. Well be right back. Swings. Sure we could travel, take it easy. But weve never been the type to just sit back. Not when weve got so much more to give when you have the right Financial Advisor, life can be brilliant. Ameriprise whats going on . Oh hey thats it . Yeah. Everybody two seconds dear sebastian, after careful consideration of your application, it is with great pleasure that we offer our congratulations on your acceptance. Through the Tuition Assistance program, every day mcdonalds helps more people go to college. Its part of our commitment to being americas best first job. 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If the president of the United States signs something on health care its not going to look like what was passed through the house yesterday. Why didnt you step in line and vote for the bill . Always try to vote my conscience and i wanted to see a cbo score. We need reform of the system but i dont think this bill does that. This is a direct assault on workingclass people. It is a basic betrayal of what donald trump told people in ohio when he was campaigning. The democrats are probably already cutting their campaign ads. They felt like inaction was a far worse outcome for them politically than doing what they did yesterday. Trump said he was going to expand coverage, turns out thats a lie. Trump said he cares for the troops, cares for veterans. Turns out thats not true either. This is bad across the board. If you have a plan today and you have a preexisting condition, under our bill you will be protected forever. They voted to gut their health care to give the richests 1 and their district tax breaks. Rushing to a Ribbon Cutting instead of reading a bill and looking at their political futures. I dont get it. President trump represents a voice in america that arguably, hasnt been heard. Whats happened in the United States isnt isolated to the United States. Its happened right around the world. And now this, some president s have been defined as much by their work after they leave office as what they did in it. President obama at age 55 is plotting out the future of his legacy. Although there are all kinds of issues that i care about, and all kinds of issues that i intend to work on, the single most important thing i can do is to help in any way i can prepare the next generation of leadership to take up the baton and to take their own crack at changing the world. An Arizona State university is doing just that with their program to train the next generation of leaders. Joining the table the president of Arizona State university michael crow, he worked with tom brokaw to launch the Public Service academy two years ago and i remember when you guys talked about the launch on the show, two years later, it seems like time is of the essence for this. Hes done a phenomenal job down there. Its a big hit on campus. More than doubled the enrollment there. I think also from a historic point of view, john f. Kennedy was born 100 years ago this month and john f. Kennedy said ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country, weve been talking about this, that climate has really risen again during these times and young people are more interested in Public Service and theyre they have an academy there which ill leave it to michael to explain how it works and why its important. I would love to know. Because especially in this climate, it feels like Public Service across the board is needed more than ever. People stepping up is needed more than ever. I think of womens issues especially. How is it going and what is it taking to make this a Great Success . Everything is going really well. Weve got this idea up and running, well have 400 students in the fall growing to 600 eventually. Think of it as a very large rotc program, but producing in a sense officers for Public Service down the road. Weve got a broad crosssection of students from 35 states or so. Weve got wow. Fantastic engagement by the faculty. I think the really important thing tom was mentioning the notion of what we call in the academic world the millennial. Nets the people born after the emergence of the internet. These are people who want more and more of their lives to be purposeful and meaningful. Thats the main driver. Were getting huge attraction to this program. And it feels like it already is big, but could this be a blueprint for something . Would you like to see this as a blueprint for something across the board . I always felt i wanted president obama to announce a National Service project or something for young people. This is all related to that. The hope is we can get six, seven, ten schools going as first generation Public Service academy schools. Were the prototypes sort of proving out the model and we will be working with a range of other schools, the land grants, public universities, to move this forward so we think this can become a part of that overall rethinking how we produce the people that can be the Public Servant leaders of the future. You just to lift this out of the school for a second, you have had a front row seat to leaders the last 50 or 60 years. Do you see a thread today in todays leaders that is different from yesterdays leaders . A less sense of purpose, versus individual entitlement . Are there any grand generalizations you can make, leadership 2017, leadership 1967 . Well i think every administration brings a leader who has a vision about what he and the future will want to accomplish. I think the difference is now, that were much more separated. People are not inclined to Work Together. They dont try to find common ground. Ive been talking to jim baker, who was chief of staff for president reagan, Chris Mathews said when he was working for tip oneill, he would look in the back room and there would be jim baker up in the white house on a trip to share with the speaker what they planned for the in exweek so that they could Work Together on something. You dont find that anymore. You find this total isolation. I think the millennials enrolled in these programs get that as well. They want to be a connective tissue if you will. This came to me because i was down range in afghanistan, iraq, all the war zones, i would go out with these brilliant Young Warriors who are taking all the risk for america, they represent less than 1 of our population, and were not thinking about them. I came back and started making these speeches and michael heard me, talking about we need to get Public Service across the board. So weve got 30 seconds left, who applies . Who are the Young Leaders that youre looking for . What are the qualifications . Who gets to be a part of this . Were getting kids who have demonstrated unbelievable academic ability in high school but come from every family background. We have the total crosssection of family incomes. Mostly kids driven by a positive view of the future. They are unwilling to accept the negative macro level rhetoric driving so much thinking and these are people who believe that America Needs to be made unbelievably inclusive and strong and so forth and this is the driver. Politically mixed. Mixed. Very much so. Fascinating given the times and how interesting the parties seem to be in a confused state as well. Tom, can you give me ten seconds, characterize the Health Care Vote that went down yesterday . Well, this is just the beginning. Its not the end. The senate is a big part. One of the things ive been thinking about all the states have a choice of what they want to do and leave out, thats going to change the economic map in america. Corporations will be moving to those states where theyve got a very inclusive Health Care Plan, not one that leaves out a lot of people. So were going to be a checkerboard country at this stage and place. But when it gets to the senate its going to change. My old theory the unforeseen will occur and we dont know what that is yet. Were a long way from the final bill. We are. Tom brokaw and michael crow, thank you so much. Heilemann and hall person and house and meacham have not sent their money in. They say theyre in. Happy friday, everybody. That does it for us this morning. A lot happened this week. I got a fondue maker. Stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage right now. Thanks so much, mika. Good morning. Im stephanie ruhle. And you know this is the kind of day i love. Jobs, jobs, jobs. The numbers are out, and theyre strong. Unemployment now the lowest in ten years. That is a very good number for the president and the economy. We got to talk about the battle, right back into it. Republicans taking a Health Care Victory lap. Lets see how good this plan is. We dont have to talk about this unbelievable victory. Was it unbelievable. We dont have to say it again. Now, of course, it heads to the senate where it is off to a rocky start already. The senate will write its own bill. I mean thats the way it works,