Pushing . Its hard. On capitol hill, the New York Times reporter Jeremy Peters and in nashville, tennessee, Pulitzer Prize winning historian, john mee j meachem. Except for michigan losing, it was great. What a game that was. Fantastic game. Brutal. Great game. My dad and mom came to visit. My dad actually stayed more than an hour. Did he really . Yes, he did. He was threatening to leave immediately. Obsessed with the michigan ohio state game too . We were talking a lot about transition and we taught him about instagram. He thought it was fascinating and selfinvolved. Hes right on both counts. And stupid. Western culture on the skids basically is what he said. Something like that. Lets get right to the news. Theres so much to report from here. Trump is back in new york and begins his week with another full day of transition meetings. Over the Holiday Weekend there was more public jockeying for that secretary of state position especially by rudy. Rudy out front. Hes out there again. The former mayor of new york touting his credentials to the wall street journal saying i probably have traveled as much as hillary in the last 13 years. Stop. Did he really do this . China three times. Once with bill clinton by the way. I dont know what that means. Is that good or bad . You cant say i dont know the world. He started singing the third verse of never been to spain. Other breaking news that we have to report, after rudy went way out front i got to ask this question. I know we have some breaking news coming up here. Well get to that in a second. Jon meachem, this is breathtaking. Its unbecoming to say the very least. Youre a president ial historian. Has this ever happened in the history of at least in our lifetime where somebody for a position as serious as secretary of state worked so aggressively to box in the president elect . Not publicly. You know, as we all know, privately people do everything they possibly can. No. Mayor giuliani trying to present himself as John Quincy Adams is not a Winning Strategy here. To do this so publicly, i cant think of an analogy. Everything Rudy Giuliani has said in seeking this job, everything he said publicly is actually a disqualifier. Its a disqualifier. He keeps embarrassing the president elect. Mark, we all know trump. You dont box trump in. You dont push him against the wall. He keeps doing this. Hes also so erratic he did this and said im not going to do it and then he did it again which shows he does not have what it takes to be secretary of state. Forget all of the other stuff. I had a conversation with him this weekend. We had a good conversation. But this is just not how you do this. I suspect in the end neither Rudy Giuliani nor mitt romney will get this. I think they both for various reasons have now removed out of the lead position in the end. I think youll be seeing more people. Petraeus, kelly, corker, i would say. General kelly. I dont know about those. Thats interesting. Rudy went way out front again. Heres Kellyanne Conway going out on her own. Campaigning publicly privately against mitt romney publicly and on television. Why are you campaigning against mitt romney as secretary of state . Im not campaigning against anyone. Im a concerned citizen. Im not campaigning against mitt romney. I felt compelled to mention it because its just breathtaking in scope and intensity the type of messages i received from all over the country. The number of people who feel betrayed to think that a governor romney would get the most prominent cabinet post after he went so far out of his way to hurt donald trump. There was the Never Trump Movement and then there was governor romney. Governor romney, in the last four years, has he been around the globe doing something on behalf of the United States in which were unaware . Did he go and intervene in syria where theyre having a massive humanitarian crisis. I mean offering to help . Has hehe been helpful to netanyahu . What donald trump decides, Kellyanne Conway and everyone else will respect. Except jon meachem, i have to ask you for more historical context. You have the conway rebellion. You have the communication director for a president elect saying that he has betrayed his supporters by even considering a candidate for secretary of state. This would be i think jake sherman said this would be like david ing David Axelrod going on meet the press saying barack obama has betrayed his supporters by considering Hillary Clinton for secretary of state. This would be like karl rove saying george w. Bush has betrayed his supporters for considering colin powell as secretary of state. Is there any parallel . This is this is an act of sabotage. Can you think of any parallel where someone accused their own president elect of betrayal . No. The only thing i can think of and you remember this, too, is there were the true reagan believers in 80, 81, 82, 83 who believed that Jim Baker George Bush were not letting reagan be reagan. They were blaming the moderates for somehow constraining the riggri reagan revolution so you had a war of leaks. It wasnt people going on brinkley back then or whatever it was trying to box reagan in. It showed an interesting dynamic there. Somehow or another this was against the president that the president was allowing to happen. It was not oppositional in this sense. Heres the new information that we have to share this morning. Two sources at the top of the Trump Transition Team confirm for msnbc that they spoke to the president elect today and that donald trump was furious at Kellyanne Conways comments on sunday suggesting trump betrayed his supporters by even considering mitt romney for a position in his cabinet. Kellyanne went rogue at Donald Trumps expense at the worst possible time. A source familiar with trumps thinking said. Trumps top aide said they were baffled by conways comments and suggests that it feeds into a growing concern inside the campaign that instead of driving Donald Trumps message shes pushing her own agenda. One top transition aide said its dangerous. Steve bannon and Reince Priebus have reportedly been growing frustrated by Kellyanne Conways failure to become a team player in a transition process where the top players are forming a tight knit group around the president elect. Jeremy peters, this is extraordinarily undisciplined and im sure youve heard the same thing that our reports have here that those closest to donald trump running his transition are baffled by what she did yesterday. I think in all the extraordinary conwayisms that weve heard over the course of this campaign, concerned citizen might be one for the books there. Her concern aside, i think what kellyanne is reflecting there is a real sense inside the Trump Campaign although hers is more indiscrete that some of the other people ive spoken with. Kellyanne senses that in mitt romney you can have a secretary of state presiding over something of a rogue agency is very real. What theyre worried about is that mitt romney and his allies, if installed in the state department, would operate completely independently from the white house and any time there was any kind of distance between the white house and the state department that there would be efforts to make the state Department Look better visavis the white house. I understand that given the hostility that mitt romney showed to donald trump over the course of the campaign, but to do this in such an unprecedented way attacking him on thanksgiving morning on twitter as kellyanne did is really kind of unbelievable. Attacking him and also, mark halperin, attacking the candidate saying that he betrayed his followers. This goes back to who is the last person in the room. As mika always says, donald trump is the last person in the room. Donald trump will make the decision. Nobody else will make the decision. Kellyanne is not going to box him in by calling him a betrayer. Rudy giuliani is not going to box him in. Its going to make him look weak if he goes with giuliani now. Who is not even qualified. This, though, suggesting that donald trump is going to let any agency go rogue is such an insult to donald trump, its staggering. That donald trump is going to be weak and mitt romney said something, i cant that would be bad. No. He would fire him that day. I think that kellyanne thing is getting a lot of attention justifiably so. Its unprecedented. Mike huckabee spoke out. Newt gingrich spoke out against romney. None of them have jobs in the Trump Administration. And the reason i dont think kellyanne doesnt have a job yet. Shes angry about that. She hasnt been offered the job she wants. She is. I can report that. And so shes striking out. Shes not in meetings where these decisions are being made and shes angry about that. At the same time, you dont go out and attack the Vice President elect because youre mad at Reince Priebus. Its unprecedented. Romney is not dead for this job because there are very senior people in the transition very senior people in the transition who are strategizing about how to make this happen still. But this issue of an apology is front and center. I dont think romney is going to want to apologize the way some Trump Supporters are saying are the price for being considered. Not only is romney going to apologize, Mike Barnicle, trump doesnt want him to apologize. What trump told me and ive reported this before. What donald trump told me is when the first came up, he was tough on you. Donald trump said i beat him up for five years. I was rough on him too. I like the fact that the guy bushes back and romney for his part say look at nikki haley and selections that hes making. Its showing that hes much bigger than his critics have said and romney said the fact that hes even talking to me shows that hes ripping a page from team of rivals with lincoln and Ronald Reagan with james baker. This happens in politics all the time. Hillary clinton and barack obama. We were calling each other racists and all of the stuff flying back and forth. These people who are children who dont think that this is how you build coalitions and win elections are just that. Politically they are children. They dont know how to play the game. They should just probably be quiet. I can report from sources close to governor romney that he will not be apologizing. I can also report that the problem wouldnt be a rogue secretary of state. The bureaucracy within the state department is of its own weight something thats very difficult to move. Theres one way to clear this up for donald trump to appoint secretary of state today. Its not going to happen. Hes not going to do that. Hes not going to do that because theyre in the middle of a process right now which is a deliberate process which is making it even more offensive that hes got his staffers that are trying to box him in on sundays shows. Hes got this week hes going to talk to petraeus again. Hes going to be talking to general kelly. Hes going to be talking to mitt romney. And he is not going to be pushed into the corner by a staff member. Do you believe and think that kellyan Kellyanne Conway believes what she said . On her own. Not only has there been reporting from the top of the organization, three or four sources at the top of the organization but everybody around that incident said she went completely rogue and donald trump was furious yesterday that she would take that upon herself to keep attacking mitt romney. Let me read about giuliani. I have to clarify. This is important. This is not saying that mitt romney is going to be secretary of state. This is just saying Kellyanne Conway hurt herself yesterday by going rogue at the worst possible time when donald trump youre confirming she went rogue. Donald trump is spending this week being deliberate and reviewing people and making a decision. I would fire a staffer in a second in a second. Heres this. Rudy giulianis support for trump does not qualify him to run the state department. Trump, who wants to be judged fairly by the cabinet appointments hes making, simply cant say the things he said about Hillary Clinton going around with her hand out and then turn around and appoint a secretary of state whose been traveling around the world with his hand out as if hes the worlds reigning expert on security. The job of secretary of state isnt owed to giuliani anymore than the white house was owed to Hillary Clinton. Go back and look at some of the speeches he gave for trump. Go back and read some of the things giuliani said. He didnt act like someone in training to run the state department. More like an ageing bouncer. Maybe the president elect can create a cabinet position for that. Theres also a lot of questions about choices that he made pre and post 9 11 involving security. Everyone called him americas mayor. He was great in that moment but logistical operations pre 9 11 were unthinkable given the fact that we were attacked at the World Trade Center before and where the command center was. Im just saying. That was under his watch. Thats important to point out. I think hes americas mayor. I respect him for what hes done. But as tthe wall street journa said on wednesday, i think it was, the secretary of state position is not a patronage and there arent a lot of people that have been around Rudy Giuliani who think hes up to this job. Hes pushing hard for it. Hes boxed more than Kellyanne Conway. He boxed trump in by saying this is the only job i want. Who does that . In the last 90 days of the campaign, theres no doubt that he earned trumps loyalty. I think theyre going to find some other way to pay him back. He should be ambassador to italy. He should be ambassador to court of st. James. He should get a high end ambassador position. Im of the view that the Senate Republicans are not going to run super rigorous confirmation hearings about most people. I do believe that Rudy Giuliani would have a hard time getting confirmed. And David Petraeus might have a hard time getting confirmed as well. I think they have the numbers on that. They think they have the numbers. You never know until this thing takes off. And once it takes off, it could get very ugly. Ill say one more thing about romney. I think there are other names in the mix and romney will not apologize and may be a factor. Trump likes the notion of romney going around the world to foreign capitals representing the United States. He likes that a lot. I can say right now anybody that says they know what trump is or isnt going to do is purely speculating. This is up in the air. Guess what . Its not going to be decided by Mike Huckabee. Its not going to be decided by newt gingrich. Its not going to be decided by Kellyanne Conway. Its going to be decided by donald trump after he sits down its donald trump. After he sits down this week and methodically meets with these people again for the second and third time and goes through the process that we as americans would want our president elect to go through. Hes got some pretty good choices. In addition to governor romney, general petraeus and general kelly is a terrific candidate. Those are great names. There are concerns about all of the generals at the top. And even the president elect has a concern about appointing that many generals for those top positions. But those are extraordinarily qualified people for secretary of state america would be pleased with those leading the country. True to the value of the Trump Administration on the continuing war on terror because secretary of state is much more than just going around the world shaking hands with diplomats. Theres a security component that is vital and john kelly would be a terrific asset. Im told they have a strong professional and personal relationship. Still ahead on morning joe, Hillary Clintons legal team signs on to take part in the wisconsin recount. That story is ahead. Plus, well ask republican senator jeff flake how he plans to work with a president he sharply opposed during the campaign and former White House Press secretary Ari Fleischer, filmmaker and journalist Soledad Obrien and steve kornacki. Bill . Well watch a tornado threat during the day today. Let me show you pictures from yesterday. This is something you would see in the springtime. Did damage some farms. That was about the extent of it. No injuries. No fatalities. As we go through the day today, well watch similar scenes like this in areas of louisiana, mississippi, and possibly areas of southern arkansas. Already this morning severe thunderstorm watch north of the dallas area. These storms will roll into areas of east texas and also arkansas during the day. 11 Million People are at risk of Severe Weather. The area of orange is the enhanced risk so from shreveport to jackson and tupelo, thats the area of greatest concern or greatest concentration of storms will be. We also have a snowstorm under way in areas of north dakota and everyone on the east coast, dry day today but that rain comes you are rain tomorrow. Delays at the airport on i95 fr