Day and your week with us. Im Frances Rivera alongside louis burgdorf. Morning joe starts right now. Hillary Clintons America the system stays rigged against sys. Convicted of committing crimes get tastay and Social Security ben ftefits skipping the line. Donald trumps america is secure. Terrorists and dangerous criminals kept out. The border secure. Our families safe. Change that makes america safe, again. Donald trump for president. Im donald trump and i approve this message. In times of crisis, america depends on steady leadership. Knock the crap out of them, would you . Clear thinking. I know more about isis than the generals do, believe me. And calm judgment. And you can tell them to go [ bleep ] because all it takes is one
wrong move. I would bomb [ bleep ] out of them. Just one. Okay. That was Donald Trumps national ad and then Hillary Clintons national ad. Welcome to morning joe. With us we have veteran columnist. Legendary. Former communication director for president george w. Bush nicole wallace. Hes already complaining. He had a long journey. Like really long. Im so sorry. In washington, associate editor for Washington Post and msnbc political analyst. Eugene robinson. Former ted cruz communication director and now msnbc political director. Rick tyler. Good morning, everyone. Good tasee you all. What do you think of this . I think the latest clinton ad is really strong. It tweaks on every level. All of his weakness and its scary of the fighter jet sound at the end. When he says were going to bomb them. And and, nicole, i guess the trump ad, which seems to be focusing more on his base, more on the republican maybe thats trying to shore up some of those Republican Voters that have slipped away, i guess. I dont know. Its strange. They are there. Were in a general election and thats a primary ad. Yeah, i dont think hes ever in his own mind become someone whos running in a general election. So, i think its typical that the first ad reflects his mindset. And his shakeup, if you will, is the kind of adjustment you make as a primary is beginning to wrap up, not as you turn towards the final sprint to general election day. But, mike, it really reflects
the article you sent me that were going to talk about today. That win or lose, trump is changing the Republican Party. That was an ad that could have been paid for and approved by breitbright. That was an all right ad. Every day, this is just me personally speaking, increases the level awareness of the tragedy that is this Years National election. President ial election. The darkness of the election. And the fact that i think for a lot of people, a lot of republicans i view this election as, you know, as a referendum on the future of the Republican Party. We need a strong twoparty system in this country. We dont have one right now because of the head of the Republican Party is a pending, looming disaster. Well, a democrat who actually, you know, weve talked about this and talked about it this weekend. A democrat whose end game may
not be getting elected to the white house. The end game may be setting up a media umpire that could be, you know, trump tv. Yep. With 40 million followers who believe the election was stolen. Possibly with the help of roger els and breitbart. Certainly looks that way. It looks like a media. Does donald trump care . Does he care about whether kelly ayotte wins . No, he doesnt. Does he care if johnson wins . No, he doesnt. Something they might want to think about. Would he love to see paul ryan beaten . I think he proved, yes, he would. For republicans for republicans that are upset that i may not be carrying the donald trump flag and waving it, the joke is on you. The joke is on you. He doesnt care about you or me
or party. He certainly doesnt. He cares about, i believe, i personally believe and maybe he proves me wrong, he cares about the media umpire that he sets up after all this is over. Maybe if he continues doing what hes done the past three or four days and maybe he proves me wrong. Maybe he is in it to win it. I dont know about that. The larger question in terms of this candidate caring about things, does he care about the country . Because this continued talk about a rigged election and his surrogates continually going on television talking about how ill Hillary Clinton is. You could say that about people who have been on primetime cable news for 20 years now. Do they care about america . I wont say his name, but when certain people said that george bush was a fascist and a nazi and every single mind hammering every single might hate speech, no, it was a Business Model that he used. Its a Business Model to people
on the far right that go and say barack obama is this and that. Do they care about it . They dont care about america, they care about their niche. Heres donald trump and it seems that he is talk radio has found its way into president ial campaign right now. And will it help him win the general . No. Will it help him start possibly a media dollar media empire . It could. The joke is on the republicans, nicole, who think you have to stand behind this guy and throw yourself from the tracks and support him or else youre not a good republican. The joke is on them. He doesnt care about them. Heres the other thing. Are we so stupid as to think that either everything he said for the last year was a lie or everything he is about to say for the next eight weeks is a lie. Im all for candidates evolving. It happens. This president and hillary
clinton and people evolve. They change their positions. But the news yesterday from kellyanne that the immigration policy that trump is for is tbd. Should he evolve on that issue, you have to either accept that everything he said for the last 13 months was a lie or everything hes about to say is a lie. Should he evolve on some of these sort of cornerstones of his candidacy. You do hope he evolves, though. Im sort of past hope. I hope that the republican nominee going into the fall election would not support mass deportation by gunpoint. Would not support a muslim ban. My point is, which is the truth . Which does he believe . I could ask the same thing about Hillary Clinton . Is she for tp can i answer . Hillary clinton was for tpp and now shes against it and shes
going to get elected and be for tpp. I can name, i can name 100 issues. Im just saying where he is is that hes trying to now make some adjustments. They have to, you have to suspend belief in everything hes uttered if were to accept now hes going to be thats advice to Hillary Clinton, as well. Not unpopular nominees in history. If i had to vote, i would vote for the republican nominee in the general election not being for the ban of muslims or mass deportation by gunpoint. So, if he evolves on these policy issues, i see that as a good thing. I think republicans should encourage that. Thats the only point im making. I agree. But its an interesting adjustment to make eight weeks out. After you defeated 16 People Holding those other views. I totally agree. Struggling in the polls with minority voters, donald trump crisscrossed making an appeal to africanamerican voters over the course of several speeches. Hes polling in Single Digits in key swing states, he tried to grab the party of lincoln. I would like to address an issue of great and very deep personal importance to me. No group in america has been more harmed by Hillary Clintons policies than africanamericans. If Hillary Clintons goal was to inflict pain on the Africanamerican Community, she could not have done a better job. We reject the bigotry of Hillary Clinton, who sees people of color only as votes. Not as human beings worthy of a better future. Hillary clinton would rather provide a job to a refugee from overseas than to give that job to unemployed africanamerican youth in cities like detroit who have become refugees in their own country. What do you have to lose . Youre living in poverty, your schools are no good, you have no jobs. 58 of your youth is unemployed. What the hell do you have to lose . I thought he was doing better. Never mind. Well no. The last, that last clip that i saw, obviously, was condescending. Reminded me of what ross perot did in 1992 when he spoke to naacp and he said you people, you people. The mass, you know, the generalization is offensive. I think the attempt to instead of just speaking to white,
angry, primary voters, i think the attempt is a positive. I think its a positive attempt. No, i think it is important that republicans across the country Start Talking to all voters. And, again, im not sitting here defending what he said. Ive been the harshest critic of what he said before. I am just saying better late than never. Gene robinson, obviously, would you rather him continue speaking directly to the community and talk about how foreigners and black people commit crimes . Well, it seems obviously to me, joe. He wasnt speaking to africanamericans. You know, your lives are miserable. You live in hell. What do you have to lose . That is not the way to appeal to
anybody. Gene y said that. I said that. I said the generalization is offensive. I said that. Lets be really clear about that. You also pointed out that he wasnt speaking to any africanamericans. He had been invited to speak to the naacp and urban league and the National Association of black journalists and he declined them all. He wont talk to black audiences. So, it clearly, what hes talking to white voters, hes talking to white voters in the suburbs of philadelphia and washington, d. C. , and hes trying to say, look, i care about africanamericans, too, in my own totally, inappropriate and condescending way. Im not a racist and therefore you can vote for me. Thats what hes trying to do. Listen, i just cant construe this as a genuine effort to speak to concerns of africanamericans, especially since you used totally bogus figures. 58 of youth unemployed. If you calculated white youth
unemployment in the same way, youd come up with 49 . Its just totally bogus. We played a series of clips and it may be totally bogus. I said the last one where he talked in mass genrasties was offensive. The one you are referencing. Anything he said in those prior clips that were not offensive to you . Is there an attempt . Can donald trump despite saying all the things we have found offensive for the past year and two months, can donald trump go to audiences, primarily black audiences and deliver a message that you would find acceptable or heartfelt . I guess the question is, the question is, what does he do moving forward or does he just go talk to white people about the campaign about how the others destroyed america. Im serious. If youre talking to kellyanne
conway and shes listening, what would you tell her to do . Hes polling at 1 or 2 among africanamericans. I understand. Hes not going to get africanamerican votes. I understand. During, for the during the last 13 months, he has, he has frankly been offensive to all sorts of minority groups. Youre telling us all things that we know. The question is, moving forward, what does he do . Look, the list is too long. Theres nothing he can do. Give me the top, name the one thing you would tell Kellyanne Conway. For republicans like myself and nicole who are, are beyond disappointed at what our Republican Party has become, we would like our nominee as imperfect as he is to end on a higher note. Get out of the gutter. What can he do on racial issues over the next three months . Clearly, renounce the support of the likes of david duke, the likes of the racist altright and say i dont want those people support. That would be a good start. That would be a good start. Do you have saekd thing he could do . The second thing he could do, he could actually talk to black people. He could try it. I got one. He could hire some wait, she has a third. He could hire some people of diversity. I mean, he has, if he has anyone, im not aware of it. Hes not being advised by a particularly diverse staff. We found our three. Were going tahave four. Number one, denounce david duke support and the support of white supremacist and the crowd, number two was go actually speak
to predominantly black audiences. Number three was hire more diverse staff. Because he has a real level of comfort with staying home every night. He flies back to new york every single night. He could walk 65 blocks north of where he lives on fifth avenue into the heart of harlem, take off the jacket that he always wears, the hat that he always wears and spend a day Walking Around with actual human beings, africanamerican human beings talking to them about their lives. How about that. We found our four. We have an action list. I love having thats not even seven. Four action items. Joe, i think were beyond action items. I think were beyond trying to make this mask stay on his face. Im serious about that. Bigger picture. This is about your, your, rick, Republican Party. The question is, wouldnt it be better for the party to call it a day and start all over again
in this real world in a real way than to stick by this wizard who is not even a republican and further go down the road of being a completely out of touch party. If i have a choice between a general election being run using racial animosity and hate speech and coded speech versus a republican candidate who has been extraordinarily flawed on racial issues, who is actually putting that behind him and spending the last three months thats the problem with the party. Going into they dont mean it is the problem. So, you would rather him just continue what hes been doing the last year . No. I think the question is, ill ask rick and nicole. Isnt the question for Republican Leaders and the question about the party itself and its future. Isnt it better to start over and not stand by someone who clearly cannot, cannot, cannot
do it. Im not talking about standing by. This is not even about support, mika. This is about what does he say over the next three months on the campaign trail . Even if he says it, rick, is this somebody that Republican Party leaders like paul ryan and everybody else should really be putting their money on at a time when the party itself seems to be collapsing . Well, in a sense, its a real shame. You could list more things. Black Entertainment Television and go on to reach the Africanamerican Community. None of it from a crass political point of view, its all pointless. There is no percentage of the africanamerican vote that donald trump can win that is going to bring him victory over Hillary Clinton. There is no percentage in the Hispanic Community that he can win that will bring him victory. Those are just cold, hard, numbered facts. He drives the party down further. Probably. But the thing is, if he, all of this talk lately, you know, i
regret sort of an apologyafrica. Those are really directed at republicans who dont like the fact that they may be nominating someone who talks, that people dont like in term s that he might be racist. They dont want to vote for somebody like that. He has kind of given them a pass to say, no, its okay. Im really not like that. This is an appeal to aphroken americ and its also highlights the problem in the Africanamerican Community because, look, in the africanamerican communities that are poor and dont have failing schools, part of the nut of his argument is correct. Its just poorly exkiecuted and africanamericans dont have someone to vote for. The Republican Party ignores them. So, its Pretty Amazing how bad it is for them. This really goes to gene
robinson. George w. Bush would always campaign aggressively in the black community and he also, obviously, did extraordinarily well with hispanics by republican standards. But a lot of that strategy people said when he went in the black community, which i think he cared generally for, but that did send a message to the suburbs of philadelphia and columbus that he wasnt a hard right wing republican. It was a compassionate conservatism and i do wonder if that is the page that Kellyanne Conway and others are trying to tear out of the bush playbook. I think it has to be. If theyre going to do this with any sort of tread of credibility, which i think is frankly beyond them. At least learn something about the black community. Learn something about the economic and cultural and social diversity of the black community. Its 40 million people. Its not a monolith. Jee, were not all poor and we dont all live in hellish inner cities. But, again, as if im speaking to a reasonable person with a Reasonable Campaign and im not. And if i could just say it, for bush, it wasnt about a page in a political playbook. How he had governed and lived his life and every policy. I mean, i listen to trump and it reminded me of bushs education policy which is to campaign against the soft bigotry of low expectations. Everything from education policy to education and rehabilitation in prisons to keeping Families Together to health care. I mean, everything was with all communities in mind. So, bush didnt wake up one day and decide to be more appealing and acceptable to suburban women. He campaigned for president and governed as governor of texas with these communities in mind. I think the comparison. I understand where youre going, but i think theyre two
fundamentally different people. Bush was repealed. We didnt call it, but he was repulsed and repelled by what we now term. Still ahead on morning joe donald trump surrogates go there que