Were always rethinking whats possible in skincare. Thats just how we roll. Neutrogena®. See whats possible. So i watch bernie, he wins, he wince, he keeps winning, winning winning. Then i see hes got no chance, they always say he has no chance. Why doesnt he have a chance . Because the system is corrupt. And its worse on the republican side because im up millions of votes on cruz, millions, i dont mean like im up by two votes, im up millions and millions of votes. Weve got a corrupt system. Its not right. Were supposed to be a
democracy. Were supposed to be you vote and the vote means something. We should have won it a long time ago but we keep losing where were winning, today winning votes doesnt mean anything. This is the only time. Good monday morning to you all. Its supposed to be spring. Im trying to will it so. Wow. You look great. Its monday. Thats great winter white. Welcome to morning joe. On set we have managing editor of Bloomberg Politics and the hosts of with all due respect although theyre not very respectful, joe. It airs at 6 00 p. M. On msnbc, Mark Halperin and John Heilemann. Former Communications Director for george w. Bush nicolle wallace. In winter white. We cant complain. We had such a great winter. But im ready for it to be it would be nice. It was snowing on saturday. Yes, in connecticut we had flurries. It was snowing so thats not
great. Never ideal. A couple interesting things happening as we start the week. First of all, nicolle, i know your parents had to be relieved as was my brother. The Trump Campaign in many ways starting to show that discipline that everybodys been suggesting they needed to show. Trump not running on 20 shows on sunday, not tweeting up, you know, storms against megyn kelly or other people, have a Campaign Manager that takes slings and arrows on sunday. Theyre doing it the way youre supposed to at least pretend to do it. I dont know that id call it discipline yet. But i think the big question and there is a lot of debate last tuesday night about whether or not he could make adjustment, and he has. So i think there were people that didnt think he was capable of evolving and he has. And the message about how hes losing when he wins is the one
he rides into the convention. Its a great message. He had gone im talking tactically. His failures were rooted in the fact that hed gone way off message, not behavior. But that the message had been totally lost and i think hes got himself back on message most importantly. You agree. Whether you agree with it or not and his crickets are going to call it whining but its a great message for an insurgent to write against a rigged system which is the animating purpose of this cycle. The entire cycle. The system is rigged, even when i win they steal it from us, the idiots running the Colorado Republican Party tweeting never trump afterthey award delegates to ted cruz without a single voter going to the polls to vote. Everything seems to be playing into this message. The nomination is within his grasp. He doesnt entirely control his own destiny but pretty close. When he remembers to make it about the voters and not himself, its a very effective message about him right now. And its effective that he happens to be doing where hes just blowing everybody aways in polls. Colorado can have their party games without having voters actually go to the polls to vote but he could say but in new york real people are going to vote and im up by 25 points in. Blow away. We said its a mistake if a parties go to war with its own voters or a band goes war with its fans trump can make it seem as though the Republican Party is at war with his voters, he wins the argument. We have a headline on papers all over the place. President obama defending Hillary Clinton on the emails, very interesting. Well listen to that. Its disturbing to fbi
agents. And people put a ball in a hole and make millions of dollars, something happened in golf. Mika, im so impressed that you yes. Its on the front page of the wall street journal and usa today so i guess i have to its a tradition like no other. It is. And a meltdown like as the New York Times found out in 2002 or 2003. Did anybody see this. Jordan spieth way ahead. He was ahead last year when he won. Ahead the whole time here. He goes to the back nine, he bogeys 10, bogeys 11, then he starts looking like me. Thats not good. No, thats not good. Did he start cursing and digging holes into the ground with his stick. And i believe he got a quadruple bogey. With his snitick . The golf club. So we were watching it and as hed making the turn were talking about what an extraordinary achievement this was going to be. I went out to the corner store, got a falafel, they have a lot of those in new canaan, im holding the spicy sauce and its dripping out of my hand and hes behind. He was like four behind. How long do these things go on . It takes a long time. Days. You can take a long drive and people sit and watch. Amazing. Most incredible part is he almost came back again. Nothing to say about the Golden State Warriors. You go ahead. The Golden State Warriors tied the record for most regular season wins with one game ahead i think were in the weeds. Thats a huge story. Pride of the bay area now. New polls show donald trump are they in the eastern time zone in. No, they would lead the show if they were. They might as well be playing in beijing. New polls show donald trump with a large lead over his opponents in two of the states up next to vote. In new york a fox news poll shows trump leading by 32 points, 54 to john kasichs 22 . Ted cruz is at 15 . Lets stop there. Lets go back for a zblekd okay, stay in new york. Massive lead. Nicolle, this is obviously going to grab the headlines for the next couple weeks. If youre donald trump and decide to bring in Paul Manafort, you decide to go establishment as much as possible, now is a great time to do it because you can do it and then tell all your critics look what ive done, i rebooted and guess what . I just won by 30 points in the second mostimportant state in america. That matters for the first time in a long time. I think hes in a very strong position. I got back to this notion that the climate both parties are running in is against a rigged
economy, against a rigged political establishment and i think cruz loses by winning because i think that feels rigged. It feels against the democratic process. I know theyre doing incredible things in these state conventions, that wheres the game has moved but i dont think that that is advantage on the larger field that this race should be played on. When theres a headline, mark, that cruz has managed to go in and steal delegates in South Carolina from donald trump and of course the press jumps up and down that says look how stupids trump operation no, i dont know about their operation but i know this people remember that donald trump beat the hell out of everybody in south korea among the voters. The voters voted for donald trump and when theyre reading stories weeks later saying trumps such a fool, all he knew how to do is get the votesers to vote for him but hes such a moron that the Party Insiders are turning against
him. I dont know, im sure a lot of people on twitter delight in that. I can tell you it makes cruz look bad. It makes the party look bad. It makes the system looked rig and as weve been say iing, in type of coverage makes donald trump stronger. But makes you keep him from being the nominee. This is analogous to 2000, we learned about how florida votes how the country votes in 2000 and how much error there is. These are the rules and the Republican Party, its not a government election, its a private party and i agree with you that voters will be exercised and are whats happened by donald trump but these are the rules and the cruz people arepl playing by the rul. I totally understand the rules. Im the one that said if he gets 1236 they can send him home. Those are the rules. Im just talking the pr of it. It just looks bad. Most importantly, it feeds into his narrative. And the lesson in florida, i worked on that campaign, i worked on those recounts and the principle legal and otherwise is if youre ahead in the first count, its hard to lose. Donald trump will go into the convention ahead with the most delegates so but im talking about the mechanics. Im talking about the pr because i dont think theres been much mechanical about Donald Trumps rise. I watched a one hour special on another network where he was really the first foreign speak to these mass layoff, to make trade about human beings. And i think if he stays on his message which on the economy is about trade about things no other republicans are talking about and if he gets to the convention talking about winning in the vote and rails against a rigged system i dont know how he loses. I dont know how the party
recovers from being perceived as taking it. Especially when you look at the numbers from these big states. Look at pennsylvania, trump has a 26point advantage ahead of kasich. Cruz is in a close third 2509 . So there you have, john hielman, also in pennsylvania which was least in the last poll we saw a week or ago much closer after donald trump had his horrific two week run. Looks like that bleeding stopped. Notice ted cruz the only guy that can beat donald trump is in third place in all of these polls. Third place behind john kasich, the man he said should drop out of the race. I think these views are, in fact, compatible. One of the questions is if trump has to perform exceptionally well between now and the end of the primaries in order to get to 1237. The argument against a rigged system makes it powerful between now and the end of june and it gives him the best argument to get to 1237 or 1238. I think im with you, if he gets
to the end of june and hes not at 1237 you head to a convention as mark is talking about. Then the question is i think the party doesnt care whether it looks good or doesnt. If the party wants to keep him from being the nominee he can make the argument ins the world about how he has the most votes. The argument in response will be you are a historically weak frontrunner if you didnt get to a majority and we have these rules in place in which we have a contested convention, we have multiple ballots, et cetera, et cetera. That may be suicidal for the party but the people against trump think its suicidal for trump to be the nominee. You can argue it either way. Again just so were clear here the argument and nicolle, youre making the same argument that to get to 1237 the best way to do that is talk about how rigged the system is and even after you think you got 1237, you keep blasted that the system is rigged and keep pounding away and then you get there and if he comes up 100 short, it will be hard for the
party to not give it to him. If he comes up 200, 300 short, thats a different thing. But also if you have ted cruz finishing in third place in a lot of these northeast primaries, makes it harder for ted cruz to say in a shakespearean is rhetoric me, me, me, me, me, me. Thats what he does before he speaks. He cant even beat john kasich in the northeast schlts that what he does . Absolutely. Its complete disconnect from the person ted cruz. Lets move to the democratic side. The new fox news poll what . Im just speaking the truth. Im picking up a disturbance in the force here. I say what you all its not me and its between him and like everybody, you all think it. I say it. Wherever he speaks you all go like this. She said it. And you cringe. You do the freeze phase. What do you call the stand organize resting i dont know, but its like wherever he speaks all right, lets go to democrats now. New york has Hillary Clinton up 16 points 53 to Bernie Sanders 37 . That will be a clean sweep for her . Well, we dont know. Clinton has a doubledigit lead in pennsylvania in the fox news poll, 49 to sanders 38 . Lets talk about these two polls. Surprised by the margin . I think he needs to go to rome. I think thats the way to close the gap. Twoday trip to rome. That is pretty incredible, that trip. That looks like its one poll. I think the race is closer than that but it is a diverse state and he had basically last week did not take full advantage of
winning wisconsin. He got in the a bunch of fights. Do you agree with Mark Halperin that for Bernie Sanders to do better he needs to go to rome, new york, they have a big military facility, up there. Hes been invited, right . Rome, new york, yeah. I find the entire thing totally baffling. If the pope were there and the pope were going to meet with Bernie Sanders in rome, new york, more to vatican city, italy, id be all id totally understand it. In this context with a mustwin New York Primary to go to to leave the country to go anywhere other than the meet the pope himself makes no sense to me at all and Bernie Sanders is going to close to gap. Every place he goes in campaign he is closes the gap or overtakes Hillary Clinton. Hes sending a lot of time in this state. Hes going to close the gap. You go away for two days, take away your biggest advantage which is sanders being on the ground. You go away and fall three points short in new york, are you going to look up and say
that was a good move to go to italy . I think he needs to do a teleconference in rome, new york. Bernie sanders won there the wyoming caucuses saturday. Sanders beat Hillary Clinton by 12 points 56 to 44 , notching his eighth win in the last nine nominating contests. It sounds like hes winning. Hes won eight out of nine. He wins by 12 points. I would not do well as a democratic politician. He wins by 12 points, he may not pick up a single delegate. Its 76 with the remaining delegate to be decided later . Sorry, thats a crushing victory. And i think with the super delegates that they have, i think she only has to win 30 she only has to get 30 of the vote in the remaining contest. Talk about voters feeling like a system might be rigged. Why are you even voting in wyoming . If youre driving in a car,
weve been talked about rigged systems. Were putting up a graphic. Bernie sanders wins 56 to 44 in wyoming. The delegates rewarded Hillary Clinton 11, Bernie Sanders 7, why does the Democratic Party even have voting booths . This system is so rigged. They fall into line better than our voters do but i can see some of the same emotions boiling over at their convention. But we talk about voter turnout and how important it is to do your duty as a citizen. Theres no reason any of those people voted in any of those states, right . Whats the justification . These are the rules. Thats not a good answer. I understand. But its rigged. Tell me why these people needed to go votes. Its not rigged. These are the rules. Do the votes matter, Mark Halperin . Do they count in some way . How . Only in some parts of the country . I dont think its a good system but its not like he won by 12 Percentage Points i dont think its a good system. Im just saying do you think the democrats and republicans change their delegate allotment processes after this cycle. Only if the winner of the white house decides he or she wants to change it which is unlikely. These are the rules and i dont really thats not what were asking. Its not like the cruz people and clinton people have fixed it or rigged it. Thats fair. Lets talk about the democrats for now. We didnt say that, though. Here is a party who sends their activists out and have people chattering on tv, chattering on talk radio about voter disenfranchisement. If you make somebody show a picture of themselves. This same party tells voters to go straight to hell when they select somebody by 12 Percentage Points and end up letting the other candidate who lost by 12Percentage Points win the most delegates. That by definition is voter disenfranchisement. So its a rigged system on the democratic side, even worse than the republican side and i dont know why democratic voters put up with it. If you say those are the rules, im going to lunge at your neck. I agree with everything you said except i wouldnt say its rigged. Its disenfranchisement, its not one person one vote, but its not rigged. What do you call it when voters going to the voting booth doesnt matter at all . A messed up system. Thats a rigged its not rigged. Its a system rigged against voters its a system rigged against people in go to voting booths. Its a system rigged against people in go out to caucuses it is a system that is rigged in favor of the rich and the powerful and the politically connected. Bernie sanders wins by 12 Percentage Points. He wins 56 to 44 . Now lets look at the delegate counts. He didnt get any super delegates. Or one, right . After winning by 12 Percentage Points hes losing. He loses wyoming where it counts by four delegates 117. John heilemann, if that is a system that is not rigged against voters and rigged in favor of the rich and powerful, please tell me one that. Well, i dont understand this graphic so thats part of the thats the super delegates. Theres a powerful argument that people in the Democratic Party have made some and should make, i think, that super delegates are a bad idea and this the idea that the party should not have people who are allowed to, that you should only have pledged delegates and they should be aligned with the will of the people. Thats a powerful argument. As mark says, it isnt the system current in place right now. Right now the Democratic Partydecided long ago. Why are they disenfranchising the voters . Dont they care, one person, one vote in isnt that what we hear, one person, one vote. The system was designed a long time ago to prevent things like