>> guilty on 30 counts eligible for the death penalty. >> this trial, a pain for marathon victims. it's not over but near the finish line. >> officer michael slager has been fired. >> now, the city will buy body cameras for every officer on the street. >> i have watched the video and i was sickened by what i saw. >> the video was shot by a local barber. >> tonight, he is speaking out. >> on the floor. i started recording. the police had control of the situation. >> had that kid not taken that video, that officer would be at work today. >> exactly. >> the video makes all the difference. >> exactly. >> it changes the course. >> if that guy did not have the courage to take that video -- >> it's chilling. >> -- by the way take that video when his own safety may have been at risk. a guy that will shoot someone in the back eight times, will turn and shoot you. the most frightening thing, and we have been talking about it nonstop for the year now, if not for that camera that cop would be on the street today as a cop working. every cop needs to have a camera on him or her. >> he's done such damage to police officers across the country, so many good ones. wait until you hear from the victim's mother. she says it in so many perfect terms. >> he used my brother for target practice. >> the daily news. he did. it was heinous. the question that raises "the new york times" and others are legitimately raising, where else does that happen? >> yeah. >> where else does this happen? every cop needs to have a camera on him or her. if something bad happens when that camera is off, they have a lot of explaining to do. >> that police department is going to be getting cameras. they were allocated the money. they are on the way now. michael slager is no longer with the north carolina police department after being fired. you have to at least appreciate the very swift action on the part of the mayor and the police department. >> show the front page of the wall street journal and jonathan capehart. it seems the officials in charleston did exactly what the officials in ferguson did not do. there is no festering wound in north charleston. everybody seems to be on the same page against this cop. >> the problem with ferguson among many was that the -- there was a void of information. >> right. >> the police weren't talking, the mayor wasn't talking. no one was talking. when the cops did talk they put out selective pieces of information that only enraged the people. >> all the wrong things to do. >> in the absence of leadership from the mayor, the city council, any local leadership folks got angry. here in north charleston, the beautiful thing is the mayor was out there immediately, the police chief was out there immediately, not just talking, but taking action. >> mika remember how we gasped when the mayor of ferguson came out and spoke saying they didn't have a racial planet. >> what planet was he on? certainly not in ferguson. >> willie this is a tale of two cities, two city officials. there may be problems in north charleston that we don't know about. certainly, looking at the reaction to this heinous murder they seem to be getting out front very quickly. >> frankly, couldn't help but react immediatety. we heard from tim scott, lindsey graham came out strong. governor nikki haley, across the board condemnation against it. if you read the laws they talk about the use of force on a fleeing suspect. i'm not a lawyer but my reading of the law shows no defense for what happened. >> let me say, willie you are right, this is an absolutely tragic video. mike barnicle we had in realtime video of garner being choked to death on staten island. i'm not saying you did say this i don't want to associate anybody else with my remarks. the day after, we said that guy was murdered. he was killed, he was murdered. that seemed to be straight forward and there was foot dragging. there hasn't been here. and an acquittal. >> the garner thing and what happened in south carolina are different despite the videos in both. they are different. you cannot ignore the fact that this is a homicide caught on tape, a homicide. the depressing thing about this is not only the way this fellow was murdered by a police officer, i mean the shot grouping pistol range stance the cop was taking. the repercussions of it and what it does to police across the country. >> yeah. >> absolutely. >> hurt our country in so many ways and shows how comfortable cops feel doing this because they know they can get away with it. there's a sense of knowledge that it will be assumed something went wrong. >> you say cops. really, we have to say really really bad cops. a small number of cops. >> black suspects. that's the problem. when you hear from the mother she is done with this. to your point -- >> "the new york times," their lead story talks about how citizens videos raise questions on police climbs. shooting in north carolina reignite debates on force. >> to your point about eric garner, it was different because you can argue different points and study choke holds. what you may have seen now that we are evolving is a police chief, local politicians saying it looks wrong. we are going to look into it. it looks wrong. we are worried about what we are seeing. we understand what we are seeing in terms of response. >> it may be different. i don't know if eric garner's family thinks it's any different. >> they don't. like the scotts they have lost a child, a son, a brother, a cousin. the other thing about south carolina is that they have the state law enforcement division. when there's a police officer involved shooting they jump in and investigate. in ferguson if the feds had not jumped in we would have had to take the ferguson police department's word for it. last night on "the last word" i asked the lawyer for the family if the video had not appeared would you trust he would have done the right thing? he was 52-48, he would trust sled. >> i do think we are crossing a line here. we are in new territory. the man who recorded the shocking video is breaking his silence in a series of exclusive videos in nbc and msnbc. joining us from charleston north carolina craig melvin. you spoke with the witness. what did you learn? >> santana, he's 23 years old, a local barber. this is the way he walked to work every day. he says he was walking to work that morning. he heard, at first, the officer, mr. scott in an exchange. he immediately whipped out his camera and took the video we have all seen. it was also interesting to hear him talk about precisely why he considered strongly considered deleting that video. he said he feared for his safety. he went to the police station here in north charleston and said, officers, i was there, i have seen the local coverage and read the police report. what you are saying doesn't match. i have video to support that. the officers said to him, whoa whoa whoa really? officer leaves. officer comes back. he says wait right here. at that point, he told me he knew how it was going to end. he hopped up left the police station and got an attorney. this is more of what he told me yesterday. take a listen. >> i never thought the police would shoot him right on the scene. like i say, the man was running away from police. i believe that he maybe was scared of the taser. maybe like it hurt. he just was looking for a way to get away from the police it was very impacting to me. >> reporter: did you hear the officer say anything before he fired the shots? >> no. i feel that my life with this information might be in danger. i tried to -- i thought about erasing the video and getting out of the community, charleston and going someplace else. >> reporter: leaving down? >> yes. >> reporter: because you were that scared? >> i knew a cop didn't do the right thing. like i say, i feel kind of scared about that. >> reporter: the dominican born barber there is known around the country. he said if he had not come forward with the video, he doesn't think the officer would have been charged. >> craig melvin thank you so much. on so many levels he showed heroism. if he would have waited what would have happened? would he have had to turn in the video? who knows? >> we probably wouldn't have seen it yet. the part i thought was courageous, he shot over a fence. then, after the shot he walks closer and he's walking toward it with his camera phone. that is just courage. >> he knows he's been seen too. the officer looks that way and he still goes up there. you have an officer who just killed someone, who's hot, has gun, that was a brave thing to do. the other thing we should point out, mr. santana, who we heard from there will join us in our 7:00 hour. the other thing that struck me from santana's description, it looked like walter scott was trying to run away from the taser. you can see by the way he ran, that maybe he wasn't fleeing, he was trying to get those things out of his body. you know what i mean? >> oh! oh my god. >> it's awful. >> the more you see this video, i pump the brakes on showing the video. it's depressing. >> yesterday, the second time the video came up i had to overt my eyes. i couldn't watch it. it was so heinous. >> my editor said something in a meeting that i thought was very smart. he said in a situation like this, in the absence of a video, the tie goes to the cop. and the importance of this video is that it breaks the tie in favor of walter scott. >> breaks a lot of other things too. >> i don't know if mr. santana is going to be on set or via satellite, if he's on set, i can't wait to thank him. he's incredibly courageous. >> let's bring in mike mukasey. very nice to have you on here. your thoughts on what's happening in south carolina and what national implications do you see happening here? >> obviously, as you and everybody around the table thinks, it was ghastly. i also think the young man who took the photographs, took that video tape is definitely a hero and should be hailed as one. i like to think it ultimately would not have wound up as a tie with the close call going to the cops because the forensics, particularly after an autopsy show the man was shot five or six times in the back would have shown something happened that did not involve a threat with the police officer. that's all hypothetical. we have a tape and what shows as a homicide. >> mike barnicle? >> the larger issue here is again, this initial breach between the public and the police and this extends to everyone whose seen this video. as attorney general, you are the principal law enforcement officer in this country. what do you think can be done to increase the sense of community that ought to exist between police and the people that they are policing? >> well i think a couple things. certainly, the video cameras on police, is a terrific idea. the more of that we can have obviously, the fewer of these situations we are going to have. i think police outreach to communities all over the united states is absolutely essential. a lot of this goes on under the radar. a lot of it isn't discussed and disclosed because it doesn't make news. >> thank you for being with us we appreciate it. >> we are going speak to the attorney representing the family of walter scott. also congressman jim clyburn joins us live in south carolina. how the shooting in his state is having national implications. plus we'll talk to the young man who filmed the video. he'll give his firsthand account of what went through his mind. also guilty on all counts. will the bottomston bomber get life or death. we describe the mood in the city. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. discover card. hey, i heard you guys can help me with frog protection? 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>> 1947 or '48. >> so it doesn't happen that much. in this case you think there's a possibility? >> there's a possibility, but -- >> strong feelings. >> i don't know how it's going to go. nobody knows how it's going to go. you have to set the sta chut aside. you have a jury of 12 people ordinary people who work for a living they have the choice of life or death for another human being in their hands. we'll see how they decide. there is a school of thought. if they think about it judy clark, the defense attorney has been brilliant in the defense. she did not alienate the jury. very little cross-examination. she's there with one intent to save his life despite what he did. the idea if he were convicted to life in prison that means he goes to colorado to the supermax where he spends 23 hours a day for the rest of his life. he's 21 years old, 23 hours a day, one hour of freedom by himself, no other human contact in a cell that is 12 x 7 foot in width with one window where he can see the sky, that's all he can see. you tell me if that is not a legitimate punishment. >> i want to take a look at some of the morning papers other news going on. "the new york times," cbs' bob schieffer will retire. he made the address last night. >> i wanted this to be the place and you all to be the first to know that this summer i'm going to retire. >> tcu. mika, we went down and talked at bob's event down there. >> we did. it was wonderful. we love him. he's going to step down as host of "face the nation." over the course of his career he's won eight emmy awards interviewed eight presidents 2008 named a living legend by the library of congress. i have always been fascinated and in awe of the way he asks questions. unlike anybody else in the business, he puts context, strength humor and respect all in one question. like tom cotton. you plan to write any other world leaders. but the way bob says it makes the person feel comfortable and to the point. >> it makes them smile. >> the best. >> you are going to go a long way before you meet a better human being. the fact he is in this business that's changed so drastically, he is still the same decent honorable person in the business. >> and you want to watch him. sometimes you don't need to change. >> true. not only a great guy, but i look at him as link to the moments in history. we don't have many of them left. he was there covering the assassination of jfk. pictures of him as lee harvey oswald was there. >> he was there! >> a firsthand witness. >> he's the last mike of a generation, the last of the cronkites, the last of the rathers, the last of the brokaw's, the last of the, you know peter jennings. i mean the people that were around -- >> the pillars. >> and tim russert. there are not giants out there anymore. >> no. you always knew when you heard or saw bob schieffer, he had your interest as a consumer of news as a principal interest not himself. >> a joy. we'll watch. he's got a few more. i don't want him to leave. >> the new york post. the nfl hired the first full time female referee. >> oh things will be fair now. >> sarah thomas will be a line judge this season. the 41-year-old has experience officiating preseason games. i got a chance to sit down with her yesterday. she told me players she's dealt with at the division one level, college, seem not to mind having a woman on the field. >> when they hear my voice or see it they say that's a girl. they really don't care. what i have been in front of they just want you to do the job and be consistent and good at it. >> very impressive. total pro. she has the respect of all the guys that officiate at the nfl level. >> what took the nfl so long? what takes major league baseball so long. >> truth is there isn't a huge pool. >> i can't speak for football, but we watch a lot of baseball. men, i mean the umpires are just i mean they are better physical spescimensspecimens. they are all so cut and healthy. oh, wait a second they all weigh 300 pounds and about to have a heart attack. it's the truth. there's no reason why a woman should not be in major league baseball and basketball and football. >> gotcha. still ahead, president obama calls the lead sponsor of the bill to give congress the power to reject a nuclear deal with iran. keep it here on "morning joe." just like a city and that takes a lot of energy. we use natural gas throughout the airport - for heating the entire terminal generating electricity on-site and fueling hundreds of vehicles. we're very focused on reducing our environmental impact. and natural gas is a big part of that commitment. people ship all kinds of things. but what if that thing is a few hundred thousand doses of flu vaccine. that need to be kept at 41 degrees. while being shipped to a country where it's 90 degrees. in the shade. sound hard? yeah. does that mean people in laos shouldn't get their vaccine? we didn't think so. from figuring it out to getting it done, we're here to help. new york state is reinventing how we do business by leading the way on tax cuts. we cut the rates on personal income taxes. we enacted the lowest corporate tax rate since 1968. we eliminated the income tax on manufacturers altogether. with startup-ny, qualified businesses that start, expand or relocate to new york state pay no taxes for 10 years. all to grow our economy and create jobs. see how new york can give your business the opportunity to grow at ny.gov/business when i looked at that tape that was the most horrible thing i have ever seen. i am very very upset concerning it. i almost couldn't look at it to see my son running defenselessly, being shot. it just tore my heart to pieces. but, i thank god that i know jesus will pardon my sin. without god in my life i could not stand, right now, this morning. he is my stren