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here. associate editor of the washington post and msnbc eugene robinson. willie willie willie willie giest as well. >> yesterday it was a short hour, willie. everybody just for one hour everybody in washington forgot it as the favorite leader netanyahu came -- >> i don't have a problem with him. i think he made a mockery of us -- >> right willie? >> just for one hour. >> go ahead. >> i was just going to say, it was totally striking i thought. whatever you thought about the content of the speech that happened walking down through the aisle, go up to the podium and deliver what amounted to a state of the union address pounding the podium but going after our president of the united states. it was a remarkable moment in the congress. >> yes, it was. >> it really was remarkable. >> in the elevator bob woodward summed it up it was kind of strange to see netanyahu making a war speech in front of our congress. so thank you so much the republicans. thank you. >> he's not the first. and democrats showed up too. >> you know what if you don't think that was remarkable and weird, i don't think you're being honest. i mean that just that was really difficult. that was strange. >> well -- >> everybody loves israel i get it, but you know what come on now. it was tough. >> can i speak? >> sure go ahead. what's your take? greatest thing you've ever seen. you know it was problematic. >> can i talk? i'm serious. >> yes. >> i saw netanyahu speak in '96, it wasn't that different. except the stakes are much much higher for israel. the reason why there were a lot of people there clapping the reason why a lot of people in israel and america supported this speech is because a lot of us believe, a lot of us and i will say yes, us believe that this is of a pivotal point in the history of israel. that iran getting a nuclear weapon will be the greatest threat that this country has had since 1948. i'm not giving a political speech, but i am telling you why friends of israel who have seen israel as an oe way sis of stability and otherwise due mull chow white house region would not be shocked and stunned.asis of stability and otherwise due mull chow white house region would not be shocked and stunned.tunned. the intensity was actually greater than for any of the, probably been ten state of the union addresses, on the floor, and i'm sure in the galleries and everywhere else the intensity was actually greater in this speech than any of the ten state of the unions that i've been to. >> the stakes were so high as you point out. and i was on the hill all day yesterday, and got a moment in the photo opportunity with netanyahu, and you had all of these senators republicans, sort of loosely watching and democrats standing very sternly, waiting in mitch mcconnell's office for this moment with him. and the stakes high politically, it was an attack on the president's signature foreign policy goal which is a nuclear agreement with iran. so that was the politics here and it's two weeks from the israeli election and people watching at home on a five minute delay ordered by the israeli courts because under their election system they have to have a judge watching so that he can cut out any blatantly political moments. which of course there weren't. >> al. you've been around here a few years. >> i wasn't here for the macarthur speech. was yesterday unprecedented? >> i can't remember anything like it at all, joe. i wasn't there, but you could feel the attention from ten blocks away. i thought it was a forceful very effective speech. i thought he started off however saying, you know, i'm sorry some people think this was about politics, it's not. it was all about politics. >> blatantly. >> politics back there, and i think he helped himself, but may have hurt israel in the long run. >> do you think it was all about politics? none of it was a warning? >> i think it was both. >> representing iran bad for america? >> i think he clearly believes that, but it was given two weeks before he's up for reelection. i think it was clearly political, and political here. but i did think it was, i did think it was effective. the reason i say it may be bad for israel over the long run. for the past 65 years, one of the great strengths that israel's had in this country is a bipartisan support. and that frayed yesterday. didn't end, didn't erode really but it frayed. to hear nancy pelosi say those things about those speech was stunning. >> sad. and one other quick point by the end of the day, democrats were furious in the senate because mitch mcconnell had proposed without any amendment abilities, a congressional review of any iran deal prior to -- without prior agreements. and that was infuriating. they were goingle to floor and -- going to the floor and yelling bloody murder. >> everyone should get their take on this. we want to show president obama's reaction to the speech. as well as i believe, we have speaker pelosi. here first, the president. >> we're staying focussed on the central issue here. how do we prevent iran from getting a nuclear weapon? the path that we proposed if successful, by far is the best way to do that. that's demonsterable. and he has not offered any kind of alternative that would receive the same verifiable mechanism to prevent iran from getting a nuclear weapon. >> near tears because i love israel very much. i value the importance of the relationship between israel and the united states. this is something that means a great deal to us. not only as an issue, but as a value. and i thought that that part of that was undermined by the tone of this this prime minister's speech. >> i wanted to get to gene in a second but you just said something jeremy that that i want to get to first. out of the nancy pelosi sound byte there. the reaction from nancy pelosi the reaction from a lot of my liberal friends was just visceral yesterday. it's hard to remember them being as angry at a foreign leader as they were yesterday after that speech, but you said you were actually transfixed by nancy pelosi through the entire speech, tell us about it the. >> i was sitting there in the chamber, and i could not take my eyes off her. every time the crowd rose you could tell that she was only doing it out of a sense of obligation. she would sit and finally decide okay i guess i better get up. she would turn around and you couldn't tell what she was saying to colleagues, but she was expressing disgust. she was frowning in disapproval. short of you lied joe wilson at the state of the union, that much animation from someone in a crowded speech of that magnitude before. >> gene, your take. >> she does have a temper. i watched -- >> you sound like you know through experience. >> my experience tells us. i watched the speech. here at nbc mothership in washington, in a studio by myself. so, i listened to the speech and actually what i heard netanyahu say was don't make a deal it's a bad deal, it's an awful deal there's probably going to be a deal. so here's what ought to be in a deal that we could live with. remember at the end, he talked about a deal we could live with and actually made what sounded to me like a couple of concessions to reality. >> like what? >> number one, he talked about not such a short breakout time. which was an acknowledgment that there will be a breakup time. there will be an iranian nuclear infrastructure left. he would like it to be two rusty center funls. it'll be in the middle but it'll be there. number two, iran has to do three things, stop aggression against it's neighbors, stop supporting terrorism, and stop threatening to annihilate israel. if not before a deal was signed at least before a deal expires. what he's trying to do there is introduce his concept of okay if we're going to assume that iran in ten years is going to be a better citizen of the world -- >> right. >> if that's going to be a part of the deal. and fundamental part of the deal then write it down. and the israelis think that this is that this is an idea that they might be able to inject into the talks -- >> and by the way, it's an idea that he outlined very early in this speech where he said if iran wants to be treated like a respected player in the international community, they need to start acting like one. and i thought that was a very powerful point because he is talking, afterall about the country that's been at epicenter of terrorism since 1979 andrea. it's not like he's picking on lux mberg. >> hardly. he has a good case against iran the cheating north korea, how come we didn't know if north korea was cheating. if you're going to rely heavily on the u.n.'s inspectors, then -- >> go back to 1994. >> exactly. but the other argument coming from the state department today from switzerland where john kerry was meeting with the iranians is that he completely misstated something that kerry had said in testimony last week. and they were just sending e-mails like crazy all night. saying kerry never said iran could have 190,000 center fujs that's ridiculous. if there's a peaceful program, who cares how many you have if you're just enriching for nuclear power, it could be 190,000. it was a hypothetical number it's not what's on the table in switzerland. that was getting them stirred up. the other thing that several senators did say, gene with their argument is diane feinstein talking to us yesterday was he never said how many, what would it be what are the alternative? what is the viable alternative to iran -- >> willie in new york willie. >> andrea you first and put it out to the table, i wonder if the speech yesterday makes it more or less likely that down the road we get some kind of deal. it's a big if if the white house and john kerry can strike a deal to begin with bigger if that it would get through congress. >> i think there are two things there's a greater chance that there will be a deal obviously president and john kerry are now pushing as the president said full steam ahead, but less likely that it will survive congressional objections. it's not a treaty they don't have yay or nay, but they are moving as i said on legislation that would not that could not be filly bustered. >> gene. >> if there were other negotiating partners involved here, and there's certainly a recognition on the part of the israelis, it's not just the united states. the other five countries involved in the negotiations and so even if congress and even if the president were to take a harder line you're not going to bring the russians along, you're not going to bring the chinese along to that position. and so at least from my reporting efforts, what i got was much more of a sense of the realistic prospects of this negotiation and the realistic outcome from the israeli side than you heard from netanyahu. what you heard from him i think in the chamber was, as al said largely political. largely aimed at the election. he had to project strength in anticipation. >> i mean in essence, the argument ought to be what is better, what is harder for iran to get a nuclear weapon a deal that's not anywhere close to a perfect deal or no deal? there's not a better deal there won't be a better deal. and that's an arguable point on both sides because if the p 5 plus one strikes a deal then no matter what the congress does sanctions are dead multilateral sanctions are gone. i don't think people think force is a viable option. then what does the situation -- >> here we are trying to you know we'll start where, we'll end where you began, joe, and you said the democrats are seething, i was talking about an elevator and thought my words were too strong. i'm more horrified about what happened in terms of the political destructiveness of it. the way netanyahu used the republicans, or they used him to undermine the democrats and make the president look bad. and i thought it was a side show and a conversation that should be had in the white house. and between world leaders. and with the republicans. but the way they use ud this platform was really disturbing. and disappointing. >> and as i've been saying through entire pros what you don't seem at least to me what you don't seem to understand or what you don't seem to realize, and i'm trying not to sound condescending, but when you say it that way, it's almost as if you don't understand that there are at least 50% of americans who believe that this is the gravest threat and i believe that this -- can i please finish? okay. will you please let me finish? >> sure. >> let me say what i say, and then you can go back to bashing this whole exercise. but there are those of us who believe this is the gravest threat israel has faced since 1948. if you asked me to talk about what's the gravest risk to america, comparing isis to iran the epicenter of terrorism since 1979, and put that on the scale, i would say isis is. >> uh-huh. >> more like a jv team compared to the islamic republic of iran the epicenter of terrorism since 1979, having a nuclear weapon. a nuclear weapon that not just israel and the united states fears, but a nuclear weapon that egypt, saudi arabia jordan the entire -- >> understood. >> it will start a nuclear, it did start a nuclear race in the middle east, and then the geneny's out of the bottle. >> point made. >> there are those who believe that netanyahu has a right to come here. i wish john boehner as i said before would have talked to the president and said hey, you're not going to let this but let me tell you what i'm going to do. if not, i'm doing it anyway but i want to be respectful. >> that's where we agree. my point is that the case had nothing to do with what i'm talking about. he has a platform. not like he can't get a megaphone, it's not like he couldn't have gone on 60 minutes or spoken somewhere else. he went before congress. on the invitation of the republicans -- >> world leaders do that. >> destructive politics and undermining -- >> world leaders do that. >> world leaders do that great. that's fantastic. >> why is it so shocking to you? >> it's not shocking disappointing and horrifying. >> horrifying? it's called democracy. here is a great thing about israel, we'll just agree to disagree. >> we do. >> here's the great thing about israel, unlike all the other countries in the middle east they are a democracy. and if the people of israel and the people of the united states are so quote, horrified and offended and shocked and stunned by this speech then 9/11en ya hue will lose his election in two weeks -- >> no he won't. >> and john boehner will be out of speaker of the house because this is so horrifying. >> i think we all know that israel is clearly the most admirable, vibrant country in the region, not the best compliment but it is. i want to the come back to you, what happens if everything falls through? either there is no deal or if congress is able to sabotage a deal? i don't know. what steps would we take? >> what you've set up it's legitimate given what netanyahu stated is something the president set up yesterday which is an all or nothing. what i'm concerned about, and what i think serious supporters of israel are concerned about, we have a president and israel has to deal with this all the time. we have a president who is so desperate for a deal, as he goes out of office so desperate maybe for that second shot of a nobel peace prize, so desperate to strike a deal and make history on the backs of israel security, that he's a bit too eager. a deal might work but, like gene said netanyahu laid out a few items that that could be added in a deal but the deal needs to be tougher. that's my biggest concern. this president has been too eager to strike a deal with iran. going back to 2007 before he was president of the united states and the things he was saying about iran. you could look at 2009 he ignored the iranians shooting down people in their streets. they just sort of brushed it to the side. he seems, for supporters of israel, like myself he seems a bit too eager here. >> i think that that is the criticism that the israelis and actually israelis in both parties in this election are concerned about. because there isn't that much difference between netanyahu and his opponent on that issue. the concern that there is too much eagerness by the united states. and one other thing that is being pointed out by intelligence officials, interestingly, this week the saudi king the new king invited the pakistanis to riyadh. it was seen throughout the gulf as a warning sign. if you let iran get a nuclear weapon, we're going to call in our debt from pakistan. we funded the pakistan nuclear program and we're going to have it here. once it's in saudi arabia it'll billion all over the gulf that is the argument. >> egypt follows and jordan. >> what's the best way to stop it? >> the best way to stop it it's in the hands of the administration. and -- >> but even what policy should they take to stop iran for getting an agreement? >> first of all, we heard last week it was late that the president had cut the 20 year limit to ten years, the white house denied that. and then the president seemed to confirm that a few days ago that it was in fact going to be ten years. needs to go back to 20 years. and i think, obviously there has to be as much transparency as possible. obviously more transparency than what we had in north korea, the 1994 deal which led to nuclear weapon there. and finally, you've got to make sure that the leave time as gene was bringing up earlier is more than a year. if the iranians are cheating if the iranians are racing towards a nuclear weapon it takes them more than one year to get there. >> all right. >> and a very strong confirmation by the commander in chief of the united states. >> oh. >> that israel getting a nuclear weapon is not an option and -- iran. >> israel has nuclear weapons. >> that iran getting a nuclear weapon is not an option and that the united states will work with israel using any means possible to prevent iran from getting a nuclear weapon. including military force. >> well you already have that. okay. he's already said that a million times. he said that a million times. >> what? what that he will use military force. the president is drawing red lines before. do you think -- >> he has said that a million times. >> he needs to say it a million and one. >> it's kind of hard when you have such a -- >> do you believe that? >> very loud side show going on in the halls of congress? >> military force when he finds out that iran has a military weapon? >> against iran? >> yes. >> well i feel a little better this morning, robinson because of your confidence in the commander in chief. >> especially assad. >> up next latest details, another big story we're following this morning. and this is getting interesting. hillary clinton's private e-mails while serving as secretary of state, we'll have an update -- >> this was supposed to be our lead 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congressional benghazi investigation in 2012 her personal e-mails were not searched. the state department acknowledged they turned over about 300 e-mails last month. yesterday, the chair of the benghazi select committee suggested clinton had multiple personal accounts and as expected, the report reignited interest in the case. >> she did not use personal e-mail in addition to government e-mail, she used personal e-mail in lieu of government e-mail. it is frankly nothing short of incredible that any official in the current administration would engage in a practice such as that. you do not need a law degree to have an understanding of how troubling this is. >> the times reports other requests for clinton's e-mails like one from gawker and the associated press were never fulfilled. and there was interest in uma's communications as well. he was working at state for hillary while taking pay from a consulting company called tenao runned by a former bill clinton aid. the question remains whether clinton's e-mail practice followed precedent and the letter of the law. the washington post headline this morning says she did not follow white house policy. >> what i can tell you, guidance has been given to agencies all across the government which is specifically that employees of the obama administration should use their official e-mail accounts when they're conducting official government business. however, when there are situations where personal e-mail accounts are used it is important for those records to be preserved consistent with the federal records act. >> yesterday kond lee za rice's aid says she used an official account while secretary of state. whereas a spokesman said general powell used a personal e-mail account during his tenure of secretary of state. he was not aware of any restrictions nor being recalled over the four years he served. in exclusive to "morning joe," the reporter said the 2009 regulations that applied to hillary clinton were not in effect when powell was in office. which would make his statement make sense. and federal archivist say it is highly unusual that a cabinet officer would only use private accounts but the state department reiterated that clinton in using her personal address was following practices of previous secretaries of state. >> which is a nonsensical statement -- >> still means she broke rules. >> since 2009 the year hillary clinton became secretary of state, the regulations stated quote, agencies that allow employees to send and receive official electronic mail messages not operated by the agency must ensure that federal records sent or received on the system are preserved by the appropriate agency recordkeeping system. clinton's e-mailings were retained on her personal accounts. and it was only after the department of state asked for them in october that she handed over what she determined were e-mailed related to her work as secretary of state. the only reason we called the new york times reporter up yesterday, you knew it was coming. >> yeah. >> there was spin, there was an explosion of clinton spinning and oh colen powell this as the new york times reporter michael michael shh mitt said yesterday, they weren't in place since 2009. and she ignored the regulations that were put in place. >> and this machine that we all so activating yesterday on twitter and blog posts, putting clinton-type spokes people on television. it was all to obscure the larger fact here which is that -- >> what's the fact? >> conducting your business on a private e-mail account, you are avoiding scrutiny and transparency. the kind of transparency that is required of public officials. >> and so willie when you have a select committee asking for all e-mails related to a certain subject, and this case benghazi you don't actually have any official e-mails, and you just decide you're not going to respond. which is exactly what hillary clinton decided she was not going to do. >> and that's the example that comes out of all this. that is the lead of the new york times piece this morning is that the benghazi committee asked for all correspondence from the state department. state department gives everything it thinks it has. the benghazi says what about hillary clinton's e-mails, then they say we don't have those. >> i'm sorry, it's the clowns. i mean don't you love farce? i like it too. i mean it's it is farce. >> and joe, as for the reason that colen powell did not feel that he to put forth his e-mails, again it was because in 2009, i'll quote again this morning, from the archivist, national archives and records spokeswoman, agencies that allow employees to send and receive official electronic mail messages using a system not operated by the agency i.e. private e-mail must ensure that federal records sent or received on such systems are preserved in the appropriate agency recordkeeping system. that since 2009. >> andrea obviously you have been covering secretary clinton for some time and the clintons for some time what's your take on what happened yesterday? all too familiar or much to do about nothing? >> well i think that the problem for the clintons is that this fit into a narrative of it goes back to the '90s of the first response their first response being let's circle the wagons, let's not be responsive. and in fact the actual timeline, which i think is a problem for them going forward. is that when the new york times first posted the story around 9:30 10:00 the night before many reporters, ours included starting messaging their spokesman, please respond, please clarify, and the response came at 6:46 a.m. yesterday morning. so instead of all -- >> after we had been talking about it for 45 minutes. >> so all the morning shows, "today" show "good morning america," instead of leading on the broadcast side and cable was also in this world, instead of leading with netanyahu coming up, they were all leading with hillary clinton's e-mails. they were slow to respond, and then they overreacted with a barrage of responses. >> they were also very legalistic. and i think that's part of the problem that reminds people of all of those overly legalistic explanations that bill clinton gave depends on what the definition is -- >> and the explanations weren't actually even good. you can read them on their face and say -- >> e-mails, joe. >> did she break regulation? >> yes. >> i want to know. >> she clearly broke regulations. and it's uncon issuable that they should decide what comes out. everything ought to come out. like everything with the clintons, there may be something that goes to their advantage. what this is going to do is spur more of the benghazi hearing, the benghazi hearing is phony, and what it distracts from is her real liability here which is libya. she was the, her signature issue was let's go into libya, they're not getting everything out of benghazi benghazi. >> wow. wow. wow. >> set up already? >> okay. >> that's an inside joke that about 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there's something predatory about the government's policy on this, in other words we're going to retain all your e-mails. and in a way it reminds me of the nixon taping system. you just can't go around and say to people we're going to capture everything you say and everything -- >> if -- >> wait a minute. >> if you're secretary of state. you have a right to do. why wouldn't the government want for recordkeeping to keep all of those? why wouldn't you as a journalist want the -- >> i'm confused. >> i'm delighted, but you know -- >> i'm delighted. >> president obama uses e-mail. >> right. >> we don't have immediate or, you know, maybe throughout history access to all of that. >> should we? >> and well i'm for transparency, but also people need some privacy and even on official business. >> bob. okay. that's not what i expected to hear from you at all. >> i never assumed that an e-mail i sent when i was in congress was not going to be read and i never assumed that an e-mail i send right now is not going to be read. >> i made the same assumption bob and i have worked at the post for, what 35 years or something like that. >> 35. >> well you know when we would all in the afternoon read the front page stories and stuff like that, and if i saw a big hole in somebody else's story, potentially libelous i would get up and walk over and talk to the editor. and i thought you told me to do this at one point actually rather than send it in an e-mail or message that could be discoverable later -- >> yeah. certainly. as secretary of state, i'm all for, you know, let's get as much information out. you can't say everything in terms of business as secretary of state is deposable. >> why? may i ask you a question? that's an interesting conversation, did she break the law, did she break regulation. yes or no that's the story today. everyone knows it's there. >> because in 2009 the regulations required that they did save everything and back it up in the state department. >> yeah. she should have done that. there's no question. but at the same time you can't say we're going to find out everything that the secretary of state says in even a state department e-mail. because there's security considerations, there are privacy considerations, go to one of the presidential libraries now, going way back and there are things you can't get because they're still under cover of security and privacy. >> this is sort of an all or nothing. i mean if she doesn't have any accounts at all and she's deciding what's released that is obviously a problem. let's move on. >> interesting. >> we have a lot to talk about. q poll out, 62% of americans support ground troops. 62% of americans support ground troops in the fight against isis. only 30% oppose. after 13 years of war, andrea staggering number. >> i'll tell you when this changed, this changed with the first beheading. if you track the numbers -- >> you got it. >> once isis started beheading americans on camera it went straight up. >> yeah. >> bob. >> yeah. i mean you know i mean step back for a moment and look for, you know, we were told syria is the big evil force. and then we were told isis is the big evil force. yesterday, netanyahu told us that iran is the big evil force. clearly is an area of great difficulty. i think the question to ask is how does obama look at all of this? particularly -- >> how does he? >> particularly netanyahu appearance. joe, you were thinking maybe you still are running for president, put yourself in the position -- >> thinking of running towards the exits right now. >> you better. okay. so that's what you're thinking. >> the president on these issues as commander in chief is the decider. and you've got all of these people out there saying gee, we want to negotiate with obama, the republicans, netanyahu, he has to make the decision and get into that dilemma he has of he's got to say, gee, are we going to bomb iran if necessary? and you want him to have the most authority, the most leeway. he has to consult with people on it, but that is that is a giant deal. and everyone's nibbling at his authority. >> you say everybody's nibbling at authority, let's forget about what republicans are thinking or possible presidential candidates are thinking we have talked for five years, al hunt about the fact that when we talk to foreign leaders, foreign diplomats, they say this president seems to be a bit too blazae about threats and a bit too removed from allies. and we're hearing that now on russia he continues as the economist says to treat vladimir putin like an irritant from a declining regional power. of course a lot of sunni states across the middle east are shocked that he is so desperate to make this deal with iran. >> i think the record's more mixed than that. with putin, the russian economy is 3% the gdp is down 3% sanctions clearly hurt maybe you need more sanctions. you clearly hear the complaints, joe, i'll give you a laugh this morning. there's only one presidential candidate that i know that is saying, let's send boots on the ground over there. 10,000 troops lindsey graham, and everyone laughs at lindsey graham -- >> i'm not laughing. >> he's going to new hampshire, and he's going to campaign on sending troops i'm not sure it a good idea. he's going to campaign on tax increases to pay for a defense budget, which is what we realistically have to have and a pathway to citizenship. it's death in the republican primaries, except new hampshire. keep your eye on lindsey graham in new hampshire. >> lots of luck on that one. >> i knew i'd give you a good laugh. bob woodward stay with us. >> he has undermine any shred of credibility he might have had in the near past. by what he said about nancy pelosi. retired four-star general, we're going to have the story about him this morning. he's also about to plead guilty to a misdemeanor to something that involves classified material and his mistress. we go live to the pentagon for the latest on 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don't pander and agree. >> yes, you do. you believe it was destructive, you believe it was a bad call you believe -- >> i don't believe it was destructive. you're putting words in my mouth. >> practicing the art of destruction and making a mockery of the president and our system and the democrats all at once while they tampered with the election in israel. >> hyperbole spewing from your mouth. >> fantastic. no, actually the truth. actually the truth. i'm the only one who will say it. >> this is intense about israel. >> don't do that. i get it here you go. >> what should we worry about in all of this? >> thank you. >> business of iran and netanyahu and obama. and i think it's a war we should worry about war fever. that you get this drum beat of oh my god, we have to do this we have to do that. and i know this with great interest that netanyahu used this as a prop. and you know all do respect, i mean, it truly great man -- >> yes. >> three weeks before george w. bush launched the iraq war, he had ellie wizel in and they talked about the necessity of doing something about saddam hussein in iraq and bush then went around before launching the war, even ellie wizel agrees with me, and it builds this sense of we've got to act. and i'm not sure we need to act at this point. and the action is with the president. and he's got to have a clear decision-making process. >> this didn't help. >> meca i guess i was alone in having chills go up my back at that moment during the -- >> no -- >> in the state of the union address. >> you smiled slyly. >> i thought it was a moving. >> did you call it a state of the union address? >> i am called it a state of the union address because it felt like that. it was a moving moment. i think i was alone. you did not think that was a moving moment? >> the whole thing was -- >> you can be moved bay show. edd by a show. there were moments -- >> it was a partisan show. the stakes are so high on so many levels for this presidency for our political system and obviously the international potential ramifications of something going awry that i was not moved. no. i was disturbed. >> jeffrey, let me ask you a question about the timing of all of this -- >> completely coincidental. >> coincidental, but people look at netanyahu's election and certainly if it were two weeks after his election that would be different. i'm just talking about, as meka eni have been debating this -- and i have been debating this. >> no. >> we've all been watching. >> but just talking about psychologically, the impact of jews getting gunned down in a deli in paris. jews getting gunned down in copenhagen netanyahu telling european jews come home. what that has done to the israeli sighpsyche and at the same time that's going on you have a country who is again, this isn't talking point, it's a country whose leaders have consistently talked about wiping israel from the face of the earth, within reach now of a nuclear weapon and doing a deal with their closest and most powerful ally the united states certainly some of us could understand why the israelis would feel trapped into a corner. >> it's completely understandable. it's absolutely understandable if you have the resurgence of anti-semitism across parts of the world. and you have a leader in iran who openly calls for the destruction of the only jewish state and to use violence and to sponsor violence actually it's not just talking, they actually sponsor the bombings in argentina, of course were traced back to iran. on the other hand you can't make policy based on emotions of fear and hysteria. and so you could walk into mistakes by letting that fear then it's kind of a fear because what happened in paris doesn't really have anything to do with what's going on. teheran and the nuclear program, except in the broadest sense. >> this is the danger. this is the danger. well it's fear. war fever is a bit unfair. i mean it's motivated by genuine fear. ellie, experienced the near annihilation of the jewish people. right to worry about the near annihilation of the jewish people. on the other hand, you know there has to be an openness i think to the idea that a negotiated settlement to this while not emotionally satisfying, these are bad people in iran is better than the alternative, and that's the problem with the speech yesterday. what was the alternative? i mean if you don't try to negotiate, if you think that no negotiation is good enough then you're heading on another path. and that path is dangerous. >> i think part of what drives a lot of this and listening to the both of you, really for me boils down to two questions, can we trust iran to honor the agreement, whatever it is that the president is the striking, and is there verifiable way to do that? >> you don't have to trust necessarily. >> i think you do. i think you do because, then the agreement has no legitimacy if you can't trust the person at the table. >> is it fair jeffrey to compare what's going on now to what went on in 1994 when bill clinton was so desperate to strike a deal with the north koreans that led to the north koreans getting nuclear weapons. >> sure there are analogies here. i hope we've learned how to deal with the kind of regimes since then. yes, there are obvious risks, which is why and this is where netanyahu could have been probably more helpful by saying specifically, this is how you get a better deal. no sunset clause. or or a level of inspection or intrusive inspection that really -- >> why is there a sunset clause andrea? makes no sense to me. you can never have a nuclear weapon, but this deal sunsets in ten years. >> that's what got them past the hurdle of the iranians refusing to negotiate. you could argue that right now with oil prices dropping iran is under more pressure from that than it was even from the sanctions. it's already gotten out of some of the sanctions by agreeing to freeze. and it has lived up to what it promised to do last january. then extended past july. in this interim agreement as the president says as kerry says they have not broken out. they've frozen what they were supposed to do. >> how do we know that? >> because they claim there has been intrusive inspections by the u.n. that said what would they do going forward if they get past this hurdle? why is there a sunset clause? why isn't it an endless agreement to keep them within certain bounds and their response is -- >> why isn't. condition-based? why can't the council say after ten years, they are good actors? >> because they are part of the nonproliferation treaty they say we have the right to have this nuclear equipment because we have signed this observed the agreements. and that's where they have to start the negotiations. >> more than 50 democrats did not attend prime minister netanyahu's speech while others did attend despite strong reservations, but the party offered strong criticism after the speech. including from the minority leader nancy pelosi. she said the address was quote, an insult to the intelligence of the united states. >> it was near tears because i love israel very much. i, i value the importance of the relationship between israel and the united states. this is something that means a great deal to us. not only as an issue, but as a value. and i thought that that part of that was undermined by the tone of this prime minister's speech. >> you know. what struck me yesterday when she said it was an insult to the intelligence of the people of the united states and leaders of the united states, the fact that israelis and certainly i have thought at time it's an insult to the people of israel for us to be condescending about what's in their best national security interest from the safety of our mansions in san francisco or sets in washington, d.c. or summer homes in, you know martha's vineyard. >> but there's a false parallel just like before. >> it's not a false parallel. >> it's not the same. >> what do you mean? who do you think understands about what is safe for moving forward for israel more? nancy pelosi and barack obama and john boehner or the israeli people? >> joe, it was an insult to the american people to think that they are so stupid that they don't get what's really going on with that speech. that's all i'm saying. has nothing to do -- >> pelosi said it was an insult to even come here -- >> under these circumstances. >> and lecture americans about security in israel. who better to talk about security in israel than the prime minister of israel? >> and he is more than welcome to talk about that, he has a huge platform. he has a big stage, and there are many he could have chosen to do that. he chose to use a politically destructive platform. >> it's not politically destructive. >> please. >> please yourself and your destructiveness and destructive that. >> if you interpret the speech, iran was not the target obama was. >> thank you. >> and the point, no which is fine, except that what netanyahu was trying to convey -- >> jeffrey would appreciate it if you do not make statements that seems to align him with you. i want this to flow free forward and i don't want her to go uh-huh. it's kind of like -- >> it's kind of like susan rice speaking and getting applaused, when she didn't get to get applause. i'll have to tweet something. >> i saw him flinch. >> the point is -- >> he flinched. >> shh. let him talk. >> the point is that if you're a democrat and you understand this speech properly i think as a prime minister of israel coming and basically telling congress that your president is a little too naive for our taste. that's probably where the insult comes. nancy pelosi is pro-israel that's not the issue. on the other hand, i don't see it as condescending with he didn't present an alternative. >> insulting. >> again, our eye on the ball. and that is on summary. war fever building up. and you look back back and the history of this country. >> far fever. >> all of the sudden we're in vietnam. all the sudden we invade iraq and i tell you, it builds up -- >> war fever for what? >> for going into iran? >> yes. that's exactly right. >> i don't feel that fever. >> that's not going to happen. >> i don't know what speech you were watching. >> i think the war fever, it seems if you look at the poll that came out today is building for going after isis. >> yeah. >> fantastic. >> that's right. look at i'm just saying the big thing to worry about, i've seen this when i served in the navy during vietnam. all the sudden we're there and each little step seems reasonable, and you need to be careful. and this kind of environment does not allow quite frankly a commander in chief to be careful. >> meanwhile, senator lindsey graham has offered an apology to house minority leader nancy pelosi, really a sense of just how ugly this is. he made comments about her appearance, but he also had reaction to her reaction to netanyahu's address. according to a bloomberg report the republican senator criticized pelosi's appearance and demeanor saying i don't want to read this quote. so there you get it. let's move on. then he apologized and still continued to talk about her reaction. take a listen. >> i just think that her reaction in the chamber was a bit disturbing. and i made a very poor attempt at humor to talk about her reaction and for that i apologize. >> you know what just actually say you're sorry. >> he apologized. >> sort of. >> apologize means i'm sorry. andrea, i want to ask you, talk about war fever, let's put up the q poll that shows that 60% of americans now support boots on the ground. only 30 35% down. i may have those numbers. 65% or 60%? it's 62 and 30. i think somebody raised a great question earlier off camera. okay you want boots on the ground. where do you want boots? damascus, are we going to take out assad? like a lot of allies over there want us to take out assad. clear isis out of iraq? there are so many questions we don't have a military strategy. we have the american people and a lot of people in congress that are ahead of where the white house is because right now. they have no strategy for putting boots on the ground and kicking isis out of iraq. >> and in fact recent engagement in tikrit the u.s. is not even aligned with what the iraqi military and the shia militia are doing. this president signalled two allies in the persian gulf and throughout the world where he is on military action when on labor day weekend, september, in september, 2012. he crossed the red line excuse me bashar al assad crossed with chemical weapons in syria, and the president changed his mind late in the afternoon without even telling his secretary of state that he was not going to proceed after a war speech had been given by john kerry. so everyone throughout the region saw that and knows that this president is not going to respond to the american people who i believe since the beheading, the first isis beheading now do believe by two to one they should. >> war on isis. >> he's declared war without, without boots on the ground. >> you know those people being bombed don't realize that, you know, are real bombs. maybe for a lot of people it's not enough of a war, but, wars define history, define presidents, and remember let's not forget the troops who have to go fight these wars. and it's it's not -- >> i'm not arguing with that. i'm saying that where the president's head is on this is very very clear. to use a military threat without backing it up has sent other signals throughout the region. that is what has prompted -- >> don't make the threats. that's my point. >> where obama is very careful now about this on the iranian part. he had quite a checklist. still ahead on morning joe, we have the chairman of the house oversight committee, he joins us. morning joe exclusive, we're going to sit down with david brock. the media matters founder who is calling for the new york times to issue a correction on it's hillary clinton 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[ music an fear mongering at it's ultimate. prime minister netanyahu basically said that the only acceptable deal was a perfect deal. or an ideal deal. just like the child who says i want to go to disneyland every day, eat ice cream, and drink coca-cola every day and not go to school. it would be a nice life for a child, but this is very serious business and it is in it is being conducted in a very very real world. >> that is one way to put it. that was democratic congressman john of kentucky on the netanyahu address. i kind of liked it actually. >> i bet you did. >> joining us democrat u.s. representative of california. editorial director for the washington examiner hugo and in new york former foreign policy advisor, oh boy. >> oh boy. >> what are you saying oh boy about? >> she has been unat the timered. all week. >> call my angry. >> i won't do that. >> why can't she be a uniter instead of a divider. >> you're making the speech partisan. this is above politics. >> all right. you're also former advisor to paul ryan on the romney-ryan campaign, dan sooe more. >> congressman, what'd you make of the speech yesterday? >> made good points. >> what were the good points? >> i like the line the enemy of your enemy is your enemy. >> sometimes it's your enemy. that was a great line. >> made a really strong point that we have to be very very careful. i was disappointed that i think he jumped the gun. how does he know what the deal is going to look like? i know he has the contract of the deal for him to say it without telling us what the contours of the good deal are is unfortunate because we need to strike a deal. >> is that a fair criticism? >> the president obviously, he has the trump card because no one knows what the deal is and obviously netanyahu could not know what the deal is. we have to remember that throughout this president, 2009 president obama said it was a good idea for the united states to put daylight between america and israel. and he's doing that for six years, it's hardly surprising that the prime minister of israel should be extremely anxious about what's happening now as the closest ally goes to negotiates with iran on nuclear weapons. >> dan, i'll give you the stage. what do you make of first of all the speech but also led up to it and the dynamics politically around it? >> i would have told them not to make such a big deal. into cancer j the speech they said that biden and kerry would not attend. then launched a campaign to pressure congressional democrats to boycott the speech. something like 80% of the democrats still showed up. and i think netanyahu, joe was in the gallery as well. i think he saw netanyahu definitely handle the democrats, praised obama, praised harry reid. then they had this overreaction a after the speech where obama responded to the speech from the oval office. they completely elevated the stakes. so the whole world was watching and what they say, meca was the prime minister of israel in a very calm way, surgically make the case that this is a bad deal. he took the president's formulation, which is no deal is better than a bad deal and he argued that this is a bad deal. >> ek dan, do you think this was the time and place for netanyahu to be making an address like this? do you think it wasn't driven by the republicans desire to undermine the president and make mockery of the political system and the democrats all at the same time. and do you think the republicans were actually smirking as they were trying to say otherwise? come on dan. you know -- >> two points. >> two questions. >> the supreme leader of iran the supreme leader of iran talks openly about the annihilation of israel. so the idea that this regime getting a nuclear weapons capability is a very serious issue. a nuclear arms race in the middle east, which we could have if iran moves forward with it's program is a very legitimate issue for the congress to be concerned with. the deadline for this deal according to the terms that john kerry established, is march 25th it's just a couple of weeks away. so if the prime minister is going to weigh in and make the case -- >> it's funny you mention timing. >> when is it time after the deal is announced? you propose he wait until after it's announced? it's in the public debate right now. the main detail, the contours of the deal. now is the time to have that discussion. >> i'm going to take you home with me for dinner with my family, dan. this is going to be fun. that was the biggest load of crap. yes. >> get a rabies shot first. it'll be ugly. >> do you understand the fear that the clock is ticking on something that they perceive to be an existential threat? >> they're as close an ally as we have. when their pulse is ticking fast, we can feel it. so understood, i think the point is absolutely direct. >> which leading question specifically? >> it was my point. and it was direct. please. continue. >> look, you had a speech that was first clouded by the fact that it was partisanly administrated, speech that did not have the bipartisan support, even the white house's support. secondly, you have it being done right before a very hotly contested election for the prime minister. it was, it was unfortunate because i think the prime minister made some very valid points, but at the end of the day, it's america who's trying to cut the deal. we should be supporting the president trying to get the best deal possible not undermining that. >> hugo do you think john boehner, do you think the republicans made any mistakes in how this was set up? >> i think it probably was a mistake not to inform the white house before the invitation went out. the white house was informed before the invitation was accepted. i think it's perfectly legitimate for the, for congress to, which has oversight of foreign policy to has committees to do that. to bring the prime minister -- >> before an election? you think it's appropriate? >> i do think it's appropriate. >> meca you keep talking about -- >> march 19th. he could have argued against a deal. that was a campaign stop in the israeli election campaign. let's not kid ourselves about this. >> no i think it certainly the case there that it does affect the election but as the point was just made, when should he did talking about it? now is the time to talk about it. >> i might have been tough on you. >> there's timing issues here, bob, and that is the fact that you have an israeli election coming up, but you also have possibly the conclusion of talks between the iran and united states coming up. >> well i think dan makes a point though the white house did kind of jump on this and elevate it -- >> fell into the trap. >> yeah. but i think it's important that meca you stick to your guns on this. >> i am. >> because the issue here is what's the president going to do and decide? and presidents can get boxed in by a political system by speeches like this and so forth, and you want obama who can be cool and rational in his decision making to deal with it in that style, but if you put, i mean you cite that poll 60 something percent of the people want to put boots on the ground. you make a point, where? >> right. >> where exactly? and this is how all of the sudden people say, and it reminds me a lot of the george w. bush administration do something. fix it. send in the troops. send in the bombers. invade and -- >> we find out that -- >> bush sincerely said hey i don't want to do that but he did. >> dan, i want to the finish with you, since she asked you a really, really tough question. i'll ask you one a little less difficult. do you think at end of the day netanyahu's speech was really really great? or fantastic? >> i will actually concede one small point here that the prime minister's office should have notified the white house. they shouldn't have heard about this from boehner. let's be clear about one thing, there is no time obama would have wanted this speech to occur. that's because the president and the prime minister have a fundamental policy disagreement. netanyahu believes this poses as you've said joe, a existential threat to his country, period. congress has a fundamentally different policy view. there are major disagreements here. it's not like the president said the speech would be okay i don't want it right now. the president does not to want have this elevated voice getting the audience that he's getting to have this debate. i think netanyahu seriously slowed down the speech slowed down the progress in the talks yesterday. but most importantly, i'm looking forward to dinner with meca and the family. she inlvited me once for thanksgiving and i accepted and her dad killed it. >> meca's brother -- >> we'll have you. >> they don't fair well around thanksgiving dinner. ian is a black sheep. >> give him three tanks and he'll invade canada. you would get along well. but they would put you in another room with the dog. >> we'll try it again, dan. >> try. no veto from your dad. >> all right, dan, thank you so much. >> great to have you here. come back please. >> great to be here. >> congressman, thank you for being with us. >> okay. >> coming up what do we have? 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>> yeah well the state department said yesterday that the e-mails were regularly preserved and appropriately preserved. and as you know -- >> they said the state department said hillary clinton's e-mails were regularly preserved? >> that's the state department said yesterday that there was a pros in which these e-mails were preserved. we know they were because as you know, last fall after these regulations tightened up in 2013 and 2014 55,000 pages of e-mails were turned over to the state department -- >> but david, this regulation as you know it suggests that they have to be preserved inside the state department's system itself or inside the appropriate agency. that did not happen did it? >> is that your legal opinion? >> no. >> i don't see anything in the new york times article -- >> full screen up. i'm reading a national archives administration regulation and it says agencies that allow employees to send or receive official electronic mail messages using a system not operated by the agency must ensure that federal records sent or received on such systems are preserved in the appropriate agency recordkeeping system. >> david, this is pretty clear. >> that's the regulation. it's clear, it's inside the state department. >> and is it clear that that didn't happen? it's not clear that didn't happen, joe. the new york times doesn't establish that at all. in fact the 2009 law you're referring to isn't even cited in the new york times. it's such sloppy journalism you don't know what regulations the reporter's talking about. so why don't they be clear. come back and explain what 2009 required, what actually happened what the state department says happened and then, the fact that the law was changed in 2013 2014 that was long after hillary clinton left office. there was no violation of law here, joe, whatsoever and nobody that i can see is saying that except the new york times. >> violation of law. >> i can't answer for the new york times this 2009 regulation is clear. >> something to answer for. >> bob woodward has a question for you. >> i'm sorry, but this kind of sound like a non-denial denial. in other words, clearly, it was a good story, you may have some technical disagreements, but we get into this issue, you know, where the wall's green, is that really illegal, and so forth. it's an important story. and won't you concede that? >> i would concede that it's a legitimate issue to raise, but, no, i wouldn't say it was a good story. the whole premise of it has fallen apart. that hillary clinton violated the law here. and the source they have on it says she didn't. that doesn't sound like a good story to me. >> why twist it? >> i'm not twisting it. >> the piece says she had all of this done on her personal e-mail account. >> and nothing wrong with that the predecessors did the same thing. >> i don't think twisting the -- >> i'm not twisting anything. her predecessors followed the same practice, bob. >> and some of her predecessors had different rules. there are regulations that are in place, we just read one to you, david, and my question so you is who has control over the e-mails that hillary clinton had between other governments, people in the state department and during her time as secretary of state? hillary clinton. correct? or the state department? >> well i think both. i mean hillary clinton was the secretary of state. >> isn't that potentially, isn't that a violation of regulation, yes or no? >> no. is that your legal position? i don't understand. there's not -- >> oh my god. >> legal authority is backing up what you're saying. >> i'm not sure what planet i'm on right now. are you reading the same thing we are? >> sure i am yeah. and i'm saying that the state department said yesterday there was a regular process through which these were appropriately preserved, we know they were because 55,000 pages of e-mail were turned over to the state department last fall. they're in government hands, that's in compliance with the law. >> again, the law says it must be preserved in the appropriate agencies recordkeeping system but let's, let's move on. i want you to respond to what josh ernest said. he was asked about this yesterday, inside the white house, and this was his response to this e-mail controversy. let's roll that. >> what i can tell you that very specific specific guidance has been given to agencies across the government, which is specifically that employees of the obama administration should use their official e-mail accounts when they're conducting official government business. however, when there are situations where personal e-mail accounts are used it is important for those records to be preserved consistent with the federal records act. >> and the federal records act is again exactly what i'm talking about here. does josh ernest's statement from the white house additionally undercut hillary clinton's position? >> no. i don't think so joe, at all. i don't see how that would be. i believe he's talking about guidance that was given after hillary clinton left office. so it's correct now that the personal e-mail use is is frowned upon for sure but, those were not the regulations that she was operating under or that colin powell was operating under. all i'm saying here let's not have a situation where the normal journalistic rules apply to everybody, but hillary clinton. and let's not, let's not forget that the real story here is that you've got a dying benghazi investigation on capitol hill, there are people trying to breathe new life into it and you know as well as i do what's going on here. they want a fishing expedition into the e-mails, they've found nothing after ten investigations. and, you know, they'll find nothing in the e-mails on benghazi and then we'll be debating chelsea's wedding plans. that is what this is all about, joe, and the new york times got snuckered by the benghazi folks. you remember the 60 minutes controversy, other mainstream media reporters who've taken information from the republicans and doesn't quite add up to what they thought it was. and there were republican lawyers calling all over reporters all day yesterday pushing exactly the point you're pushing there, joe. and it just doesn't stand up. >> no no hold on a second. i'm not going to follow all the bloody flags that were waved there. i don't think personally know what benghazi has to do with again, not to belabor a point, but david we're talking about a 2009 law, the white house was referring to a 2009 law that was put in place when hillary clinton was secretary of state. it wasn't 2013 it wasn't 2014 and it certainly wasn't applicable when colin powell or even condoleezza rice was secretary of state. this was a 2009 national archives act that the white house responded to yesterday. >> if you see any evidence in the new york times article from yesterday that we're talking about that supports the idea that hillary clinton violated the law, you know let me know. but we don't see it. >> okay. david thank you so much for being with us. we greatly appreciate it. we know there would have been easier days for you to come on. >> thanks for having me. >> we appreciate you coming on. tough and difficult day. thanks so much. coming up next we have the chairman of the house oversight committee. and he's congressman jason chaffetz, he's our next guest when we return. oh yea, that's coming down let's get some rocks, man. health can change in a minute. so cvs health is changing healthcare. making it more accessible and affordable with walk-in medical care, no appointments needed and most insurance accepted. minuteclinic. another innovation from cvs health. because health is everything. the future of the market is never clear. but at t. rowe price we can help guide your retirement savings. our experience is one reason 100% of our retirement funds beat their 10-year lipper averages. so wherever your long-term goals take you we can help you feel confident. request a prospectus or summary prospectus with investment information, risks, fees and expenses to read and consider carefully before investing. call us or your advisor. t. rowe price. invest with confidence. just stay calm and move as quietly as possible. no sudden movements. google search: bodega beach house. the house oversight, congressman jason chaffetz. also american urban radio networks april ryan. april is out with the new book, "presidency in black and white:up close view of three presidents and race in america." >> fantastic. good timing. >> hey, mr. chairman let me begin with you, you voted no yesterday on the dhs funding bill why? >> so frustrating because we don't then we should have to fund something that the president 22 times said that he couldn't do. a federal judge put in place to say that you can't actually execute on that. why should we have to include that in the funding bill? >> do you feel betrayed by john boehner for putting that on the floor? >> no i feel frustrated by the senate democrats who won't even discuss this when you have a house and senate have different bills and different opinions. you've go to conference. when they didn't agree to go to conference, there's something fundamentally wrong in that process. you can at least talk it out. i think we were very reasonable but ultimately i voted no it was the wrong bill at the wrong time. >> so what is the, for the conservatives, for the so-called tea party caucus what is the attitude right now towards john boehner? >> look we're very supportive of the speaker who's in a very difficult spot. again, my frustration is with the democrats, not with speaker boehner. >> casey hunt yesterday was on the floor and talked to a lot of republicans, some of the leadership said afterall the 25 standing ovations for benjamin netanyahu. they said okay now call the previous question. we're good. >> go right ahead. >> and they were good. >> time to vote yeah. >> and one laughed and said go ahead, have that motion to vacant the chair. >> absolutely not. i have one question for you congressman chaffetz. do you think there are any consequences for the republican party if there are two more years of gridlock? and to follow on that do you think that speaker boehner is still going to be speaker of the house at the end of this congress? >> well, yeah yeah i do actually. look, i think america figured out where the roadblocks were that's why under speaker boehner's leadership we have grown the majority. it is now, you know, 235, and growing. and in the senate we had sweeping elections that put the senate back into republican control. and so i think america figures out who the obstructionists are and when democrats refuse to even talk about things america figures it out. >> so if this is the pattern for the next two years, what we just saw with the dhs funding, you don't think there are any consequences to the republican party for that? >> i think there's consequences for congress as a whole, but we did come in a united way, and we passed a bill to the president's desk on this keystone pipeline. i think you'll see other types of bill get to the president's desk he may veto them but we are coming together and moving forward. my committee on oversight and government reform is moving forward in a more bipartisan approach than we've ever done before. so i think it can show that republicans approach than we've ever done before. it can show the republicans are the adults in the room and governing and doing well. >> thank you for being with us. we greatly appreciate you being time on "morning joe" this morning. >> thank you. another, big story in the news this is coming obviously our ferguson. the justice department does find -- down here the one in the middle. what are you doing? right here. there. that one right there. feds find racially biased policing in ferguson. april, absolutely devastating findings out of here. the population 67% african-american. african-americans were 95% of the people charged with walking in the street. 90% of people issued tickets, and 93% of people being arrested there. >> you're saying you're devastated by this or -- who's devastated? >> i said it's devastating news? >> really? >> but for the population of ferguson, for -- in the justice department having to come out yesterday. is this not -- is this not disturbing news to you? >> this is something we saw. a lot of us saw this. we've seen this. you have -- you have a system that's inverted. the majority is being pounced upon, wrongfully in some case by the minority. >> is this an extreme case where you have i think what was it, two black officers out of like 57 or -- you sit there and wonder, how does that happen in 2015? >> let me say this and i want to you understand where i'm coming from on this. i have called ferguson an inverted south apartheid when it comes to the look of the population, and the mentality almost to a certain extent, and it's really a sad situation where we watched all of this play out, after we saw the body of michael brown lay on the street for four hours. people were upset. it was a powder keg waiting to happen in a town like that and then you have all of the other issues that are happening around the country. so ferguson is just a small piece of what's happening in other cities around the nation and we have been hearing about this for a while. >> right. >> these numbers bear out what you're saying in terms of that powder keg. >> yes. >> because this was bound to happen at some point in some way. >> especially in ferguson. >> we had been hearing there could be possibly some kind of reorganization with the ferguson police department because of how they responded to the crowd, and how they may have mishandled the military equipment. they are police. went in in a militaristic effort to go after the crowd to calm down down. >> michael, let me ask you about contrast. you saw what happened in ferguson. s it was a powder keg that blew up. >> uh-huh. >> regardless of everything thaels else that happened before or after, you had eric gardner murdered on staten i'd been. he was murdered. we said that from day one. >> yep. >> and yet new york was a bit more peaceful in their protests. is that because new york got policing right and ferguson got it wrong? >> a little bit of that. i think there's also sort of the lessons learned from ferguson and how it was applied in new york. so there was a different temperament in dealing with that situation. i think, you know the reality of ferguson is that that has been there and that's been a part of the pattern of exist innocence that community for a long, long time. >> but april, look at los angeles. the news that came out two days ago. >> let me say this -- we understand as a nation historically that the most successful movement was the civil rights movement. non-violence. and the way that you push an issue forward, particularly something so violent, is if you come tat in mass and non-violent resistance and i believe new york got it right. i believe new york got it right, because they made -- they made the statement saying look this is wrong, and they're still doing it. people are still marching in -- >> and the difference too, was that the mayor, the leadership of new york. the political leadership of new york, took a differ approach than we saw in ferguson as well. >> where you had the mayor that said we don't have racism here. >> oh my gosh. so telling. >> unbelievable. ferguson mayor saying they didn't have racism. we don't have a problem. >> i'm with you, mika. >> april ryan thank you so much. april's book "the presidency in black and white: my up close view of three presidents raised in america." >> finally. >> and april's holding it up and can we have you back to talk about this? 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just for one hour. >> i was going to say, it was totally striking i thought. whatever you thought about the content. speech to have him walking down through the aisle, go up to the podium and dliver what amounted to a state of the union address. i mean he was standing there with both houses of congress pounding the podium but going after our president of the united states. it was a remarkable moment in the congress. >> yes it was. >> it really was remarkable. >> in the elevator bob woodward summed it up. kind of strange to see bebe netanyahu making a war speech in front of our congress. thank you so much. the republicans. thank you. >> he's not the first, and democrats showed up too. he's not the first -- >> if you don't think that was remarkable and weird at the same time i don't think you're being honest. i mean that just -- that was really difficult. that was strange. everybody loves israel, i get it, but you know what? come on now. it was tough. >> can i speak? >> sure. go ahead. what's your take? >> can i speak? can i talk? >> what's the greatest thing you've ever seen? you know it was problematic. >> mika can i talk? i'm serious. >> yes yes. >> i saw benjamin netanyahu speak in 1996. it wasn't that different from what i saw yesterday. except the stakes are much much higher for israel. the reason why there were a lot of people there, clapping the reason why a lot of people in israel and america supported this speech, is because a lot of us believe a lot of "us" and i will say, yes, us believe that this is a pivotal point in the history of israel. that iran getting a nuclear weapon will be the greatest existential threat that this country has had since 1948. i'm not giving a political speech. but i am telling you why friends of israel who have seen israel as an oasis of stability and otherwise tumultuous region would not be shocked and stunned, and this is not the first time that you've had foreign leaders coming and giving speeches to -- and i was. i will tell you what was interesting, was the fact that i was on the floor, and everybody around me remarked that the intensity was actually greater than for any of the probably been ten state of the union addresses. on the floor, and i'm sure in the galleries and everywhere else, andrea the intensity was actually greater in this speech than any of the ten state of the unions i've been there. >> the stake was so high as you point out. i was on the hill all day yesterday and got a moment in the photo opportunity with netanyahu, and you had all of the senators republicans, sort of loosely watching and democrats standing very sternly, waiting in mitch mcconnell's office for this moment with him, and the stakes were high politically. it was an attack on the president's signature foreign policy goal which is a nuclear agreement with iran. so that was the politics here and it's two weeks from the israeli election and people were watching at home on a five-minute delay ordered by israeli courts because under their election system they have to have a judge watching so he can cut out of any blatantly political moments, which, of course, there were. >> al, you've been around here a few years. >> i wasn't here for the mccarthy speech. >> well -- was yesterday unprecedented? >> i can't remember anything quite like it at all, joe. i thought it was extraordinary. i wasn't up there but you could feel the tension from ten blocks away. i thought it was a very forceful and effective speech. i thought he started off, however, saying i'm sorry some people think this was about politics. it's not. it was all about politics. politics there, back there, and helped himself but may have hurt israel in the long run. >> you think it was all about politics, you don't any any of it was a warning to representatives -- >> i think it was both. >> -- saying this iran deal is bad for israel bad for the middle east. >> no. i think he -- >> bad for america? >> he clearly believes that but the speech was given two weeks before he's up for re-election. clearly political, and political here. but i thought -- i did think it was effective. the reason i say it may be bad for israel over the long run, for the past 65 years one of great strengths that israel's had in this country is a bipartisan support, and that frayed yesterday. i mean it didn't end. it didn't erode, really, but it frayed. to hear nancy pelosi who's been a stalwart of israel say all sorts of things about that speech was stunning. >> sad. >> and one other quick point. by the end of the day, democrats were furious in the senate because mitch mcconnell proposed without any amendment abilities a congressional review of any iran deal prior to -- without prior agreements, and that was infuriating. they were going to the floor and yelling bloody murder. >> we'll get to you in a second. everybody should give their take on this. we want to show president obama's reaction to the speech as well as i believe we have speaker pelosi. here first, the president. >> we're staying focused on the central issue here. how do we prevent iran from getting a nuclear weapon. the path that we've proposed if successful, by far is the best way to do that. that's demonstrable. and prime minister netanyahu has not offered any kind of viable alternative that would achieve the same verifiable mechanism to prevent iran from getting a nuclear weapon. >> near tears, because i love israel very much. i value the importance of the relationship between israel and the united states. this is something that mean as great deal to us not only as an issue but as a value, and i thought that part of that was undermined by the tone of the prime minister's speech. >> i wanted to get to gene in a second but you just said something, jeremy that i want to get to first, out of the nancy pelosi sound bite there. the reaction from nancy pelosi the reaction from a lot of my liberal friends, was just visceral yesterday. i -- i -- it's hard to remember them being as angry at a foreign leader as they were yesterday after that speech but you said you were actually transfixed by nancy pelosi through the entire speech. tell us about it i. was sitting in the chamber and could not take my eyes off her. every time the crowd rose for a standing ovation you could tell she was only doing it out of a sense of obligation. she would sit for a lot while and decide i guess i better get up. she would turn around. you couldn't tell what she was saying to her colleagues but expressing disgust. frowning in disapproval. i have never seen short of "you lie" at the state of the union that before. >> she does have a temper. you know -- >> sound like you have some experience? >> i might have a bit of experience. but i watched the speech. here at the nbc mothership in washington in a little studio by myself. i was sitting there. right? so i listened to the speech and actually what i heard bebe netanyahu say was don't make a deal it's a bad deal an awful deal. there's probably going to be a deal. so here's what ought to be in a deal that we could live with. remember at the end he talked about a deal we could live with and he actually made what sounded to me like a couple of concessions to reality. >> like what? >> number one, he talked about not such a short breakout time. which was an acknowledgement there will be a breakout time. that there will be an iranian nuclear structure left. he would like it to be two rusty centrifuges and they would like it to be 180,000 or whatever but it will be something in the middle. two, stop aggression against its neighbor stott stop supporting terrorism and stop threatening to annihilate israel at least before a deal expires and what he's trying to do there is introduce this concept of okay. if we're going to assume that iran in ten years is going to about better citizen of the world. >> right. >> if that's going to be a part of the deal and a fundamental in the deal, then write it down. and the israelis think that this is -- that this is an idea that they might be able to inject into the talks. >> and by the way, it's -- it's an idea that he outlined very early in this speech where he said if iran wants to be treated like a respected player in the international community, they need to start acting like one, and i thought that was a very powerful point, because -- he is talking, after all, about the country that's been at the epicenter of terrorism since 1979, andrea. it's not like he's picking on luxemburg. >> hardly. i mean he has a very good case against iran and iran's past behavior. the cheating. he brought up north korea. how come we didn't know north korea was cheating if you're relying so heavily on the u.n.'s inspectors. >> you have go back to 1994. >> exactly. the other argument coming from the state department today from switzerland where john kerry was again meeting with iranians is that he completely misstated something that kerry had said in testimony last week and sending e-mails like crazy all night. saying kerry never said iran could have 190,000 centrifuges. that is ridiculous. he said if there's a peaceful program who cares how many centrifuges you have if you're just enriching for nuclear power it could be 190,000. it was a hypothetical number. it's not what's on the table in switzerland. that was getting them stirred up. the other thing, several senators did say, gene what their argument is dianne feinstein talks to us yesterday was, he never said how many what would it be what are the alternative? what is the viable alternative iran, to not -- >> let's go -- >> military action. >> no. the question willie? >> andrea ask you first and put it out to the table. i wonder if the speech yesterday makes it more or less likely that down the road we get some kind of deal? it's a big "if" if the white house and john kerry can strike a deal with iran to begin with but much bigger "if" if it would get through congress? >> two things. there's greater xhans therechance there will be a deal. obviouslied pret and john kerry are pushing, as the president said, full steam ahead, but less likely it will survive congressional objections. it's not a treaty. they don't have yea or nay but are moving on legislation that could not be filibustered. >> gene? >> if there are other negotiating partners there are, involved here and certainly a recognition on the part of the israelis it's not just the united states. the other five countries involved in the negotiations. and even if congress and even if the president were to take a harder line you're not going to bling the russians along. you're not going to bring the chinese along to that position. so at least from my reporting efforts what i got was much more of a sense of the realistic prospects of this negotiation than the realistic outcome from the israeli side than you heard from bebe netanyahu. what you heard from him, i think in the chamber, was as al said largely political. largely aimed at the election. he had to project strength in -- >> well -- >> in essence, the argument ought to be what is better? 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>> by conducting your business on a private e-mail account, you are avoiding scrutiny and transparency. the kind of transparency that is required of public officials. >> so willie when you have a select committee asking for all e-mails related to a certain subject, and in this case benghazi, you don't actually have the official e-mails and just decide you're not going to respond. which is exactly what hillary clinton decided she was not going to do. >> and that's the example that comes out of this. that's the lead of the "new york times" piece this morning which is that the benghazi committee asked for all the correspondence from the state department. state department gives everything it thinks it has the benghazi committee said what about hillary clinton e-mails? they said, we don't have those. by putting them on a private e-mail account, you're shielding. >> i'm sorry. it's "send in the clowns." don't you love farce? i like it too. i mean it's -- it is farce. >> and, joe, as for the reason that colin powell did not feel he had to put forth his e-mails because it was private, again, because in 2009 quote again this morning from the archivists, national archives and records spokeswoman. read a piece of it "agencies that allow employees to send and receive official electronic mail messages using a system not operated by the agency i.e. private e-mail must ensure federal records sent other received are preserved in the appropriate agency recordkeeping system system." that rule since 2009. >> andrea obviously -- >> okay. >> -- you have been covering secretary clinton for some time and the clintons for some time. >> yes. >> what's your take on what happened yesterday? all too familiar or much ado about nothing? >> i think that the problem for the clintons is that this fit into a narrative of, goes back to the '90s, of your first response, their first response being, let's circle the wagons and not be responsive. in fact the actual timeline which i think is is a problem for them going forward is that when the "new york times" first posted the story around 9:30 10:00 the night before many reporters, ours included started messaging their spokesman, please respond, please clarify, and the response came at 6:46 a.m. yesterday morning. so instead of all the morning shows leading with -- >> after we'd been talking about it for 45 minutes. >> so all the morning shows, "today" show "good morning america" instead of leaning on the broadcast side -- cable is also in this world -- instead of leading with netanyahu coming up they were all leading with hillary clinton's e-mails. they were slow to respond and then they overreacted with a barrage of responses. >> and were legalistic. that's part of the problem reminds me of overly legalistic explanations that bill clinton gave, what's the -- depends on what the definition of "is" is. >> and the explanations weren't actually even good. you can read them on your face and say -- >> e-mail joe -- >> did she break the law? break regulation? >> yes. >> i just want to know. yes or no? >> she clearly broke regulations. and it's unconscionable that they should decide what comes out. everything ought to come out, but like everything with the clintons, there may be something that goes to their advantage. what this is going to do spur more of a benghazi hearing. the benghazi hearing is phony and disfracts her real liability here, which is libya. she was -- her sig che, go into libya. it has ban disaster. they're not going to get anything out of benghazi, and trey galley will end up looking like dan burton. a big 8:30 half hour. still ahead, christine lagarde, head of the imf joining us and julianne moore. we'll be right back. thanks for the ride around norfolk! and i just wanted to say geico is proud to have served the military for over 75 years! roger that. captain's waiting to give you a tour of the wisconsin now. could've parked a little bit closer... it's gonna be dark by the time i get there. geico. proudly serving the military for over 75 years. just stay calm and move as quietly as possible. no sudden movements. google search: bodega beach house. doug. you've been staring at that for awhile, huh? 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>> it makes economicsmacropoint of view. if you look at microview, it's demonstrated over and over companies with significant number of women in the executive group or on their board actually generate much higher profits than companies that don't. so you know it's now demonstrated, and i don't know why it's not happening more often. it should. >> there are a lot of company, a lot of countries, that still hold women back. >> yes. >> and on many different levels. >> yes. >> access to capital. getting jobs getting loans. >> yes yes, all of it. and what's surprising in the study that we conducted is that 90% of the 150 countries that we surveyed actually had at least one discrimination against women. and 23 of them had more than 10 discriminations and it goes from, as you said not having access to jobs. requiring the signature of somebody else to get a loan. not in everything in the same way as their brothers do and so on and so forth. which of course, is -- is an obstacle to them doing what they want. i think that's the point. we're not saying in that study women should work. >> right. >> that's their choice but if they do they should have equal access and it should be a fair play. >> talk about greece. obviously 1.7 billion dollars they owe, this month. the negotiations you've said and others have going to take a long time but greece doesn't have much time. do they? >> they have four months within which to really put together an and agree with their partners particularly the members of the eurozone, what their framework for growth will be. what reforms they're going to undertake. what fiscal policy they will apply. how they're going to do up in progress making the rich pay, bringing more equality in their society, go after corruptions. all legitimate practice, but we need to see how it's going to be implemented. >> right now all they're talking about doing is possibly writing pensions, also borrowing from the eu. the subsidies for the eu, from the eu. that's a short-term fix, but, again no long term systemic changes. >> they have been receiving a lot of loans over the last four five years, and they have done massive efforts, fiscally. they started with a fiscal deficit of 15 percentage. 15 percentage points of fiscal deficit. currently deficit, massive, and a large debt. so they've made progress over the years but clearly number one should not lose the benefit of that progress, and, two, they really have to reform in-depth the economy so that it works. so that it's attractive again. so that people want to invest in greece. so that people are prepared to lend to greece. >> right. >> which is not yet happening. >> is the first challenge of making the rich actually pay taxes? >> that's what is affirmed. that the two goals that have been affirmed is by the authorities. it's a socialist government that has been elected and coalition in place saying you know let's make sure taxes are paid and that rich pay tax, and let's make sure that we eradicate corruption. >> all right. move to ukraine. is the imf going to have to bail out ukraine sand it on the frame of collapse? >> ukraine is in a very very difficult situation, and in the last say 22 or so years we have been dealing with ukraine. we've seen for the first time a team of people who are really determined to reform their economy. determined to deal with some of the taboos they've had for many many years, and at the same time, as they want to do that, and they want to you know, move to free market. they want to restore fair prices on the markets, at the same time there is that war on the border of the eastern part of the country, which is which has been a major drive which has been a huge destruction, and has cost a massive amount of life. so, you know, it's like trying to walk while carrying this big burden with you at the same time. so what we are trying to help ukraine with is a set of reforms. massive financial support, but all of that is really going to depend on how it stabilizes on the east of ukraine and how the war comes down and the conflict, you know stops. >> it's interesting. russia is not pushing for an early repayment of a $3 billion loan, and despite the controversy on the eastern part of the country, as far as natural gas shipments, they're still saying they're going to supply to the rest of the country. can you help explain what's in it for russia and specifically vladimir putin to actually not put his boot on the throat of ukraine economically? >> well i think when you are a supplier and a creditor you don't want to debt your compliant to collapse. want to get your money back, and there has ban deal between russia and ukraine on the payment of gas areas, on the advance payment of gas, and that is being respected by ukraine and by russia. so the gas supply situation, the gas payment situation, is pretty much under control. on the financing by russia thats 3dsthat s $3 billion loan granted, it falls at the end of 2015 but payment could be accelerated under certain terms. i think russia doesn't want ukraine to collapse because i don't think it would be in its interest. because it is a supplier because it is a creditor, baund because it wants to get paid and reimbursed at the end of the day. so it's an economy just at its border but one in trade and financial relationships with it and i don't think that it would want -- >> it's not in their best interests. >> so before you go msnbc has a special project with the 92nd street y called seven days of genius. e we want to ask you, christine lagarde, who would you consider to be a financial genius? >> i would think of warren buffett. because somebody who's been in the business for 50 years and who has managed to outperform massively pretty much everybody on a sustainable basis is bound to have some real inspiration. i don't know whether it's genius. i would reserve genius for people like mozart or -- >> exactly. >> beethoven, but pretty good. >> shakespeare. all right. >> let me ask you really quickly before we go to break, quick 30,000 a view from 30,000 feet. the united states. obviously, long-term debt obligations when it comes to our own retirement system. >> uh-huh. >> what's the state of the united states economically, long term? >> first of all, short term of all the advanced economy, it is the best performer. it has the benefit currently of a low oil price which is a big shot in the arm from you know consumers' point of view and consumption is a big driver the growth in the united states. it's hardly -- weakened by the very strong dollar we have at the hoemt reflecting the strength of the u.s. economy. now, you know, if this economy can actually be strategic about the medium to long-term licts that are liabilities on the horizon having a fiscal set of rules that will deal with those issue, i think it does a lot of great assets and should be should continue to be a leader. >> i think she's speaking your language. >> i don't know. we'll see. >> i think she might be. christine lagarde, thank you very much. >> thanks for being with us. >> appreciate it. still ahead, senator john thune joining us and academy award winner julianne moore will be here. we'll be right back with much more "morning joe." what the cloud enables is computing to empower cancer researchers. it used to take two weeks to sequence and analyze a genome; with the microsoft cloud we can analyze 100 per day. whatever i can do to help compute a cure for cancer, that's what i'd like to do. i'm a weight watchers coach, all of us have lost weight with weight watchers and are now helping other people do the same. log into your computer or your phone at anytime and you can chat with me. you're not alone and you can do it. i know you can do it because i did it. join for free today at weightwatchers.com there's nothing more romantic than a spontaneous moment. so why pause to take a pill? 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>> well i just thought was an effective speech, joe, and i understand about how it happened and i know you guys have been mixing it up about that this morning, but -- >> can you believe mika? it's offensive. isn't it, john? >> i don't know what you're speaking of. >> losing your power of persuasion. the scarborough touch isn't working. you're not going to win that one, joe. >> not with mika on. for sure. >> the substance of the speech effective and very per spaesive. >> >> -- >> persuasive. >> when you could have the president take away one part of the speech what would it be? >> i think that the danger -- understand where israel is geographically historically surrounded by people who want to kill him, and i think continuing to highlight that and i thought that emphasizing this thing having a sunset clause a finite instead of perpetuity. the highlight and activities they're involved with in terms of terrorism, biggest sponsor of state terrorism, are very concerning factors and i think he reminded the american people and hopefullily the administration and members of congress what's at stake here. >> do you think your colleagues who did not show up for the speech made a mistake? >> sure i do. it got kind of caught up in politics. i understand that. at the end of the day it's important we get this right. this is too critical not only to the region to israel but certainly to america's national security interests as well. >> when you say that you understand how this got all caught up in politics what do you mean by that? >> well you know mika i think you guys have been talking about this a lot, but i think that the timing of it, est cetera some things mentioned earlier, elections coming up in israel obviously. but at the end of the day it was the prime minister's opportunity to try and persuade american leaders and the american public about why getting a bad deal with iran is really harmful and dangerous to israel and to the region. >> so let's move on to funding for the department of homeland security. you voted yeah edd yea to the senate's clean bill. a lot of conservatives upset john boehner went ahead and ignored the hastert rule. do they have a point? >> i think joe, there weren't many options left on the table. we tried as hard as we could. the democrats blocked consideration of the house-passed bill in the senate even blocked going to conference with the house on the two versions of the big. it was pretty clear that his options were limited, and i think it was one of those issues eventually you tear the bandage off and get it over with and move on to the next issue. >> finally, quickly, senator, this thursday, a veto override vote is set on keystone. how will you vote? 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[ music an what does it actually feel like? >> hmm -- well -- it's not always the same. i have -- i have good days and bad days and on my good days, i can you know almost pass for a normal person, and on my bad days i feel like i can't find myself. um -- i've always been so -- defined by my intellect, my language, my articulation and now sometimes i can see the words hanging in front of me and i can't reach them and i don't know who i am and i don't know what i'm going to lose next. >> sounds horrible. >> thanks for asking. >> that was a scene from "still alice" and i just almost started crying. here with us now is julianne moore, who won the best actress. you see why now. she won the best actress academy award for her performance in that frill. she's also a woman of worth ambassador and here to talk about the tenth anniversary of the award program from l'oreal paris, which i've ban part of the last few, freakin' love this thing. i love the women they bring to the table. >> yeah. >> i don't know how they do it. also with us the 2014 women of worth national honoree phyllis sideman. we're going to hear phyllis' story in a moment. so nice to have you on thp thank you for coming. julianne congratulations. >> thank you very much. thank you. >> where do you keep your oscar? >> it's in my office. yeah. i just have -- i think vis, a little room in the house. >> you don't carry it around in your purse? >> i don't. but people do come over and pick it up. it was fun. somebody had a baby took a picture with the baby and the oscar. >> you're so happy in that picture. >> i was very happy. >> a big moment. the other role you have one you're very proud of. for the 3569 couple of years have gotten onboard with women of worth, i love it. i never walk away from one of those events without crying number one and number two -- >> yes everybody cries. >> staying until the end. i get up at 3:00 in the morning to go to work. this is the one event i will go and stay. hard, fast rules. amazing stories, and phyllis yours was -- i -- i'm having a hard time bringing to to words so i'm not sure how you're going to be able to do it but you're the founder of simon's fund. who is simon and how did the fund happen? >> sure. so simon was my 3-month-old son, and ten years ago i put him down for a nap and he never woke up. and so thanks to our pediatrician, my husband and i went and got our hearts checked and i was diagnosed with a heart condition called longcutese sin drom arrhythmia. 51% of all sids death is attributed to heart conditions. we start add fund because thousands of kids are dying every year from detectable and treatable heart conditions. >> what have you been able to do with that platform? in memory really of your son? because i -- i don't know how you recover from that moment. i really don't. >> i think there's ways of dealing with grief. you know i think -- and there's many people have different ways of dealing with grief, and for me, it was about, i don't want another parent to go through another tragedy, and that this is something that should be standard of care. every kid in this country should have their kid's heart checked. >> my honry this year is a fighter pilot, married a fighter pilot, married 25 years, have an adorable daughter and her daughter ended up giving her the award onstage. she helps veterans find homes. often come home and end up homeless and just came up with it because it was in her and used her skills a as military woman to make this happen. >> what's great about this -- this event, too, is that anybody can -- you can nominate anybody you want. go to the website and mention a woman that you think is making a difference in her life or your community's life and say, hey, how about her? so at the end of the year these ten women are selected and we're able to give them a platform and hear about their programs and -- >> and shed light on their incredible story. so what has women of worth, phyllis, been able to help you with in terms of spreading the word on this platform or how has it impacted your life? >> sure. i mean it's been an incredible experience. i'm here. that is incredible. because of l'oreal's women of worth i now our goal is that every parent should know that sudden cardiac arrest isn't just an adult thing and because of women of worth i'm getting the message out and be able to check nor kids' hearts and save lives. >> it's also a very glamorous night. >> we all get very dressed up. >> it's fun. we have a blast. i'm telling you, hoda does it every year. hoda got b. she's hysterical. got up onstage this year and said -- i'm divorces. oh well. that's how her speech started. this is going to be a good night. i forget. she had some story that actually matched the moment but -- you know everybody kind of brings their personality to the table and wet get-of-we get to meet women like you and be inspired for days months and years to come. so thank you so much phyllis and julianne moore, of course, thank you as well. >> thanks for having us. >> to learn more about l'oreal's woman of worth and the nominate nominating process, check it out online and nominate something. we back with much more. ...that sound good? 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