The freshman orientation going on. Thats going to do it for way too early. Morning joe starts right now. Now. President obama find himself in beijing for apec. The asia pacific comiskey corporation, summit conference dedicated to promoting what are you, nice, spell out apec . Are you kidding meeconomimeecony good fireworks. Okay. Gentleman, close the newspaper. Its wednesday, november 12th, 2014. Kim kardashian apparently naked again. How surprising. With us on set, we have we have a staff writer with the hill, good to have you all on board. In a sort of cleanup time on capitol hill, as democrats and republicans are trying to stem the bleeding from their own gaffes and its a turn that michael kinsly defined as when someone in washington gets caught telling the truth them obamacare story which i saw yesterday and im surprised it didnt emerge. Today the most serious of gaffes
came from Jonathan Gruber, a man described by many as the architect of obamacare. He was speaking at the university of p. Last year when he said the lack of transparency in the law was instrumental in getting it in the past because of the quote stupidity of the American Voter. Jesus. A lack of transparency a a huge political advantage. Calm at this time stupidity of the American Voter, whatever, basically, that was critical to the past. Its the second best argument. Id rather have this law than not. Its kind of like the reporter story the things i can change but rather have this law than not. I dont think you say that, that mate be a problem. The problem is that he thinks it. The core problem under law was put together by a bunch of elitists two dont fundamentally understand the american people. Thats what the problem is. Yesterday, so now we are
covering it. The professor apologized. Take a look. The comments in the video were made at an economic conference. I basically spoke inappropriately. Public poilts that involves spending is politically less palatable than policies for the tax code. It would have made more sense to do obamacare the way we do in wis swiss to give people money, that was politically feasible. Instead, it was done through the tax code. That was the only point i was making. An interesting dynamic. We are trying to get to it. Nobody covered it. Except for some right wing, but had this been a republican economic what down would have happened . Well, he is, this century is defined, David Stockman, who is Ronald Reagans original budget director, in 1981 in an extensive magazine piece in the
old atlantic magazine by bill ryder, a former walk post editor, David Stockman sat down with him. He was reagans budget director, sat down for many, many times, explained the budget. He said, bakeally, none of us really understands what any of these numbers are about, the federal budget. Let me guess, nobody felt this right . President reagan had no idea what those numbers were about. A few left wing bloggers brought it up. It wasnt covered economic i believe there was a huge firestorm, exactly, thats my point. David stockman was the director of the office of management and budget. This guy is a consultant. So its a slightly different well, hes one of the architects, is he not economic you cant define him as an arc next obamacare . He did play a significant role as a consultant. But hes the consultant not the architect. If hes saying that out loud, thats a reflection of the group. I agree. I agree. If you are Ronald Reagans office of management and budget director, you have direct access to the president. This guy probably had stomach says to the president. But my guess is for the most part he didnt so im not excuseing the language. Its terrible. It does. Its how we got this bill, which is very complicated. Its bad. We have to look at how we cover things on each side of the aisle. Elise, whats your take what did you find . I think we have to remember the fancy pelosi comment that makes this comment more on the republican side. She said we have to pass this bill to see whats in it. I think that that has continued to echo through campaign astd, through the debate over the law four, five years out. Again, this makes republicans extra sex e sensitive to the idea that he can heck reform was
concob by democrats in a room in a kind of a conspiratorial way. Im not saying that is what happened. Im saying that is what republicans say happened him i think that is an impression that is very difficult for democrats due to these comments. They need to be much more careful. Clearly, there was a much more open process than a lot of republicans believe. Anybody who was covering the formulation of the bill over months and months can tell you that the pieces were reported on. They were worked out. Republicans might not think they had enough input, but these comments are very damaging. They continue to contribute to this idea that obamacare was hatched in a dark room and that it was a conspiracy. How, howard . First of all, for reasons that the republicans didnt have input is they didnt want any input. They attacked this bill from day one. For them not to complain, the health care bill, all tamp trying to do is sab tanl sit a bit much. Sec of all, i think we have
about as much mile annual out of obamacare as we can. It is the law. There were plenty of things i didnt like in the bill. We can go through them if you want, because i always like to do that. But it is the law and its worked and i dont think if were trying this in anyway into the debacle last week that it had much to do with it. I think this is basically boating a dead horse. Okay. So while were on gas on the republican side, former governor hayley barber says hes sorry for calling president obamas policies tar babies. Oh, come on. On a postelection conference calm. How do you do that . Barber, who once chaired the rnc, tells politico, quote, if someone takes offense, i will regret it. Again, neither the context nor the connotation was intended to offend. If you are less than moved by its apology, you may be even less impressed by harlem
congressman carley rangel. He is trying to explain why he called Tea Party Republicans white crackers. Oh my god, its like, were not the onion. We swear. This is true. In an interview, the longtime congressman now says he thought white crackers was a term of endearment. No. Who are these people . This must be the air pollution or something thats coming over from by a jenning affecting peoples brains. Unbelievable. Before comparing Tea Party Republicans to jim crowe segregation what, what, im going to go. Its an initial comment. Its also an explanation. I thought that was i thought that was a gape in the story. Wow. Matt, lewis, lets get you in on
this conversation, if you want to be in on this conversation. Those last two were ugly comments, the first one talking about obamacare has more impatience for whats happening in the country bus of the law thats passed. What is your reaction from gruber . Obviously, its a horrible thing that he said him i think its a gaffe precisely because hes telling the truth. Whether it was president obamas promise if you leak your doctor, can you keep it. If you like your insurance plan, you can keep it. Whether it was the sort of behind the scenes, corn husker kickback t. Way this bill was sort of pushed through, you know, one party pushed it through. Its been really ugly him thats the end. Now we certainly have an skags that the American Public was misled. If they knew what was in this bill, they probably wouldnt have supported it. I have to say, as damaging as the scandal is. I think more importantly its Something Else that gruber said,
which is that, you know, he knew in advance that states who didnt sort of, you know, create their own exchange wouldnt be eligible for these tax subsidies and that, in fact, is a big question thats not only scandalous but relevant as we enter into a Supreme Court decision, which could potentially damage obamacare. So i think grouber, you know, there is the gaffe, the more politically toxic gaffe and the slightly substantive gaffe that i think will be with us for a lot longer. All right. Let move on. Let move on, Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker is pushing ahead with a controversial plan to drug test recipients of public assistance. The proposal would apply to people receiving Unemployment Benefits and food stamps. A spokes woman for the governor says he would spend the next several e several weeks working with a cabinet to create a proposal. This year alabama and Missouri Pass bills that allow drug tests
if an applicant was suspected of using drugs. In 2010, 12 states failed to pass those calling for suspicionless drug testing just across the board. Wisconsin is one of five states that currently perform drug tests on public assistance applicant that have felony drul convictions. Howard, actually, you are perfect for this. What down of the concept economic i guess there is possibly proof its unconstitutional and yet. There is anderson, this is the gop not content with waging a war on women. Theyre now waging a war on poor people. Are they . Absolutely. Why . Because theyre singleing people. Are you getting unemployment, that means you were working, if you lost youroyou are a suspect for using drugs. Why are you using drugs, why cant you be told to go get treatment . We just get a drug test economic some of the police are
entitled to grab us off the street and take us into the for the sake of argument, let me ask you, if you are going to be receiving money from the government, isnt it okay to say we will give you money or support you. Okay. So lets tax everybody on wall street. If you are breaking the law. Lets do drug tests down here 15 blocks away on wall street. Thats government money, too, what the hell is going on here economic you cant take citizens who pay taxes, then they become unfortunate, they lose theironow you will test them for drugs. Its on poor people. Scott walker is too immature to be a governor. Matt lewis. I do understand what governor doan is saying. It does sort of the libertarian in me is a little concerned, once government as we say increasingly are in all of our live, all of a sudden there are expectations you would have to
comply. Having said that, if the citizens of wisconsin decide that this is appropriate, i think we should, you know, im not financial to throw it out. Look, its their money. Its not the governments money, its coming from the taxpayers. So im a little bit conflicted on this. But i dont think its like an old wellian thing we are making it out to be either. There is a fundamental misunderstanding of what it means to be poor in this country. I think the fundamental misunderstanding of this concept is how too many people in various state legislatures, nobody elections to be poor. Nobody has a child and says i hope this child grows up to be poor. I totally agree with you. Why dont we drug test the members of each and every legislature. Thats a great idea. Before they vote on these dock a maim my bills. If you are an Insurance Company, you are looking for a break from the legislature. Maybe we can vote for walker so all the legislature and the government gets scheduled. Arent they on welfare economic theyre getting taxpayers money and theyre doing nothing, right . Hmm. Scott walker, meanwhile, one of two president ial contenders drawing attention to Hillary Clintons age. While speaking about the former secretary of state, i know, senator rand paul said, quote, its a very tax, undertaking to go through. Its a rigorous physical ordeal, i think, to be able to campaign for the presidency. Well, you know, i think she would know, right. Governor walker said over the weekend that clinton, who is 67, quote, embodies that old, tired top down approach from the government. Not everyone is kounding the years. A recent puig survey 15 to 13yearolds think hillary; 59 or younger. 25 correctly identified her
age. Demographics show voters in 2016 will be just as young and diverse as they were in 2012. Elise, what do you think . I think those Younger Voters will go for hillary by some margin because they will be excited about eelecting the first woman president. I dont think her age is going to be a major issue except when republicans try to make it an issue. We already seen the Campaign Committees go after this, even prior to the Midterm Election, they laying the groundwork for the attacks. There are no doubt people older tan Hillary Clinton that will hold that job. Lit so backfire, if they do that. Nobody likes it when people do that. Let me just say i think a couple things. If you look at those two statements, theyre inadvertently calling a roll. I seen people like mike mccurie and tina brown have made similar folks, does she really want this
at this point in her life, shes got grandkids. I think the age thing is relevant. I think she can overcome it. It was relevant when walter mon dale brought that up and reagan hit that out of the park. She can show she is up to it. She runs a vigorous campaign. She doesnt sort of run the sort of inevitable rose garden campaign. By the way, its the fact that shes been in the public eye for more than two decades. That would be called experience. I think that makes her more ready. Come on. The interesting thing about this is we rarely go back a generation. The only time in my lifetime weve gone back is from carter to reagan. Otherwise, you turn the page on a generation, you dont go back. This time i think we will. I think the republicans are likely to nominate somebody like scott walker and rand paul. The public will be scared these
wet behind the people did their job. They already did that, this past time. So Hillary Clinton is in the perfect pocket. Anybody that wants to make fun of her age will laugh her out of the room. You attack people personally. A woman. By the way, you guys, women live longer, right, we all know this, sorry, guys. I cant believe we are talking about this. Yeah, we will go. We will bring it up again. Its great to have you on. Thank you so much. A great job on your reporting him still ahead on morning joe, senator elect tom tillis will join us in our next hour. Actress Angelica Huston and stephen king will be with us on set. This time a streaming musk company is striking back against the pop star. Did you hear about this accounts a brazen Armed Robbery in brazen
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