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char let's do a play date soon. i promise i won't bring my dad #nerd. >> good morning it's tuesday, september 30th. september is almost gone. >> we complain a lot around here about weather. september has been the best month of the year. >> beautiful. >> like, september -- okay. it didn't get over 40 degrees until july. >> you're not going to complain. >> we're getting paid back on this side of it. >> we are. >> people outside of new york why do they talk so much about the weather. it's so bad. but i just drove in this morning thinking, right, this september -- >> mild summer setting us up and september has been perfect. 70s. >> it begs the question. every time you have a good day in new york oh, man like san
diego he get three or four a year. if i'm not living in san diego, why. other than taxes being like 85% of everything. >> what are you going to do. very hard to get into the building today. easier to get into the white house. >> seriously. we were down stairs for 7 1/2 years. it would be easier for us to run into the east room than it was to get on our own set this morning. >> i don't know who runs the bulling. i'm supposed to know. they don't know how to run anything. >> just walk in. >> 7 1/2 years and we still can't get in the building. >> got stopped by security. oh, well. next time -- >> did you really? >> i couldn't get in here. that's okay. >> you guys are going down to the elevators, guys staring at you. let you push the button for ten minutes and you look at them. >> they love doing that.
>> what's going on? what are you doing? >> "30 rock" a little difficult if you're coming into work. washington is a little differently. let's not joke. it's dead serious. do you agree somebody should be fired. >> they have a culture problem and security problem because the culture problem reflects the sense of the organization. and now we have two major events in the past couple of years one in the past week that showed this agency is completely crippled. and i don't know what's going to happen. >> the obamas are a lot more patient than i would be. these people -- i know why the president was angry about it and i'm sure the first lady was very concerned about it. but holy cow. >> in just a few hours the director of the secret service is scheduled to testify in a
congressional hearing and it comes a day after "the washington post" reported the suspect in the white house security breach this month made it farther inside than previously reported. officials initially said omar gonzalez an iraq war veteran jumped the white house fence with a knife and went through the front doors. he got in the door and they got him. officials now say gonzalez also overpowered a female secret service officer. she did not know there was a breach because the white house ushers office had asked for the alarm box to be silenced. that box could be used to alert somebody that somebody is coming. gonzalez ran past that guard, headed into the east room of the white house. look at this map. look how far he went inside the building. >> while we're looking, okay, i want to go back to the map if we can. >> should have been caught by the dogs on the lawn. >> i don't know if you guys can take that down or not.
as you go past, you'll see the stairs authenticate ran past. if he had taken a quick right, see the stairs, he ran past into the east room. he could have run upstairs. >> apparently there were other measures to keep the stairs safe. i question everything. >> i don't believe that. he could have gone right stairs right there but kept running and would have been up into family's quarters. there's so many questions to ask. first of all, how does he get past seven, seven safe guards supposedly. secondly why do they silence an alarm box. third, why do you have a female officer inside that can be overpowered? got no problem with female officers as long as they are 6'4", weigh 280 pounds and can take down anybody that runs through the front door. listen, i don't know, maybe
somebody would be mad at me. i don't give a damn of political correctness when you talk about the of safety of the president, the first lady and his two young daughters. don't give a damn. put somebody big, big, that's going to be bigger than anybody else that runs through the doors that will tackle them and make them regret they ever thought going inside the first family's home. >> as you can see, he actually made it all the way to the other end of the 80-foot room before a camera saw the agent tackle him by the doorway to the green room. secret service director will likely face questions later today from democrats and republicans of the house oversight committee. >> i'm extremely concerned. most organizations have acceptable losses, in other words, they are right 97% of the time. in the case of the secret service, they have to succeed 100% of the time. >> without a doubt, this is a
moment, a transformational moment where it's clear that something needs to be done and something needs to be done drastically. it's also clear they need to have a come to jesus moment because clearly the secret service has not measured up to its reputation. >> no. i mean, you know, i think we covered the prostitution issues and problems abroad. >> if you're getting drunk in mexico or some other place the night before you're supposed to be taking care, or whatever, you punish them for that. that's one thing. but, man, mike, if you're letting people jump the fence, run into the white house, go past the stairs -- >> i don't think it's relate. >> do you think it's related. >> in terms of the culture. >> it's mess. >> the problem here is that it's
highly likely that they will overreach and shut down the rest of pennsylvania avenue to even -- >> no, no, no. >> which they ought not to do. >> they can't do that just because the secret service doesn't know how to do their job. >> right. the flaws, the mistakes occurred at every level along the way. the plain-clothes secret service on the outside of the fence. they didn't do their job. the dog was not released or dogs were not released once the intruder is rushing across the lawn. the alarm box was muted. the alarm box automatically locks the doors if it's working. it wasn't working. at every step along the way it was human error. so the idea that they would even think about closing down the rest of pennsylvania avenue in front of the white house is really ridiculous. >> that's insanity. >> it's almost impossible as you read through this many layers of security failed. plain-clothes officers outside of the fence. there's a guard in a booth on the north lawn. an attack dog is supposed to be
realized. a specialized s.w.a.t. team. a guard at the front door at the ready. this alarm inside was turned off because the usher near the front door complained it was too noisy when it goes off. >> we discovered later he has a car full of ammunition. he is a war veteran suffering from ptsd. he's a trained sniper. of course we don't know that in the act -- >> had a map as well. >> had a map he had circled when he had been arrested like with seven guns in his car. a map that circled the white house. >> then we learn about the incident where it took the secret service four days to even realize that there had been shots fired at the white house. >> we'll be breaking this down more with those who actually served in this position. >> they need to clean house.
they need to clean house. there's some great secret service at. they need leadership and they aren't getting it. >> it's an elite protective you knit. it didn't behave like an elite protective unit. some of the nation's top intelligence officials and lawmakers are pushing back against president obama's statement that the u.s. intelligence agencies under estimated the threat posed by islamic state militants. one top official tells the "new york times" there were numerous reports warning about the rise of isis but quote the white house just didn't pay attention to it or consider it a big priority. and the chairman of the house intelligence committee, republican congressman mike rogers says president obama knew about isis for more than a year. he says it was policymakers not intelligence officials who failed. president obama's comments were also the focus of a heated exchange at the white house. jonathan karl questioned press secretary josh earnest about warnings from several top
officials including the assistant secretary of state. >> this is one of your key people on iraq who was raising this alarm in november of last year. did this message get to the president? did he believe it? did he not hear it? what happened? >> john, the president discussed on a number of occasions what we're talking about here is the rapid advance isis was able to make across the iraqi desert and success they had after that advance to holding large swaths of territory. >> but if i can stop you for just a second. two months after this is said, the president calls isil the jv team. >> we've been through this. >> we clearly are talking -- he was clearly talking about isil. >> that's not true. >> the question specifically was about what happened after isil took over falluja. >> we can look at the
transcript. >> you don't want to be josh in that position. the president really messed up the other night on "60 minutes." he should have said i screwed up. everybody knows he screwed up. you have the intelligence community saying we're in danger of seeing isis take over large swaths of syria and iraq. that's written down. it's all written down chapter and verse. they warned him. he didn't heed the warnings and then he blamed the intelligence communities. i don't think there's anything for the white house to do to say we screwed up. >> you don't want infighting between agencies at this point while we're in a conflict. i'll ask you, joe. doesn't congress also have a responsibility here in terms of the intelligence committees who get briefed to raise these questions to the president about what the strategy is? >> mike rogers was saying they were warning him for over a year. had been warning him. if the president wants to say i
don't think the american people were ready and i wasn't ready weighs we're war weary that's one thing but you can't go on "60 minutes" and say it's clapper's fault. i'm going to do that. if i knock over tea in the restaurant, i'm sorry james clapper knocked over my tea. let's get bumper stickers it's clapper's fault. i'm joking. sometimes it just is better to say i screwed up. i was wrong. we all screw up, we're all wrong. this, though, you know, this sounds like george w. bush pre-9/11 where he was given many warnings, dismissed and then they were scrambling for the next ten years to explain why they western wrong. >> the august summary, august of 2001, intelligence report that he didn't read thoroughly. >> bush didn't go out and blame the intel. >> larger question here and the
president put himself in the middle of this question sunday night is jim clapper. he lied to congress a year and a half ago in testimony, he has clearly been unable to assemble the intelligence to the point with it gets the president's full attention. just in talking to people in the state department or defense intelligence agency, someone like me is told about the dangers of debaathampb fi krmpb amca tion. why haven't they paid more attention? >> the president was warned. he's been warned for sometime. first of all, why do you ignore that. secondly why do you go on "60 minutes," the second most important news program in america, after "morning joe," of
course. i don't think anybody would question that. you heard what i said. >> what? >> "60 minutes" second most important news show in america. >> oh, my gosh. >> i'm getting a 9 iron to my head. why do you go and blame the intel community. doesn't seem to be the smartest political thing. >> it violates the oldest rules in washington. if you throw the intel community under the bus you'll hear about it on the front page of the "new york times." there's a front page piece from baker in the "times," hold on mr. president. >> there are about 872 agencies, i would screw over before the cia. >> exactly. >> they did it to bush. they leaked, you know, for eight years and killed him. >> there's one passage in the "times." i want says a senior official in the administration, a lot of us
were saying this is a real massive problem talking about isis. the policy people were focused on taking down assad they were blind to this problem. the strategy was to take out assad or do something, get him to leave but they were on the wrong side now a year later they flipped. >> still ahead on "morning joe" for the 21st straight year bill gates tops "forbes" list of richest americans. he'll be here on set to tell us about the latest cause he's taking on with his money. >> do you think he might pass out a billion here or there. >> how much did you pay for that sweater on e-bay? >> $20. i couldn't find -- you just can't find crew sweaters. i gave up is going to stores. >> you have to go back to 1958. >> i went on e-bay and there's like 800 of them for 20 bucks. >> did you get a couple? >> yeah i got five or six in different colors so it's not the
same blue all winter. >> and texas governor rick perry will be here also this morning. wikileaks founder julian assange is under house arrest in london but managed to make an appearance at the nantucket project. we'll explain how. >> and why walmart is telling tracey morgan he shares the blame for getting hurt in that major limo accident in which another person was killed. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. [♪] great rates and safety working in harmony. open an optimizer +plus account from synchrony bank. visit myoptimizerplus.com
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so mika, you were at an event yesterday. on truman balcony with george w. bush. >> we'll get to that. thank you for that lovely
picture. >> what are you doing there? you look scared. >> i'm talking. so this is at the union league in philadelphia, in the lincoln room, and there were like 400 women, fabulous women. we were celebrating city year which comcast is behind. it's a fun event. the women were so nice. seemed like they watch the show and they think you two are adorable. we had so much fun talking about women and value and negotiating. >> i love it. >> empowerment and celebrating a great organization that makes such a big difference. >> willie and i think they have the best pot roast. >> we run the place now. >> okay. let's take a look at the morning papers. >> are you wishing you went? >> did you ever do that? >> the "daily mail," julian assange is still holed up at an embassy in london. he's turning to futuristic technology to stay in the
public's eye. >> tupak did that two years ago. >> the wikileaks founder beamed into a conference in massachusetts as a hologram. he stayed in ecuador's embassy to avoid sex abuse charges. and he slammed google's privacy policies. >> they thought tupak was up there. >> so many thing i could say. go ahead. do the next paper. >> "detroit free press," university michigan athletic director said a failure of communication that left shane morris with a concussion.
the quarterback visibly dazed, stumbled on the field but stayed in the game. >> come on, guys, take him out. >> after coming off the sideline he was put back in the play. there was serious communication between coaching staff and medical personnel for the sophomore being put back in. brandon said even though morris' diagnosis came sunday that information wasn't related until after his weekly press conference yesterday afternoon where he told reporters he assumed u of m medical staff checked out morris. >> that's why i got in coaching is helping kids. helping kids is their welfare and their health. i mean we would never ever, if we thought a guy had a concussion keep him in the game and never have. >> you know, he saw the guy out
there. he knew what happened. you got to suspend the coach for a week. that's ridiculous. >> may not have been diagnosed but believe your eyes. the guy is stumbling around. left him in for another play. >> again, we're learning more and more, the story out of kansas city about the guy, belcher who shot and killed his girlfriend, and then went out and killed himself, we find out a year later he had traumatic brain injury. >> i think the game is changing on a lot of levels now. this is going to be a pivotal year for so many reasons. >> there are safety measures they can take and some high schools i saw in connecticut are doing this where they put the protective helmet gear. >> they have to. let's go to the minneapolis star tribune, iceland's foreign affair minister is planning a u.n. conference on women and gender equality and only men are
invited. during a speech at the u.n. general assembly he said it would be the first exclusive gathering for men. >> because, you know, if you just have dudes there, then women won't interrupt you while you talk about gender inequality. look. jen is to pissed off. look she's so mad. she's angry at iceland right now. >> part of a global campaign launched to get 100,000 men and boys in the fight, involved in the fight for gender inequality. >> i read this story. what they are going to do, they are getting men and young boys together and they are going to talk about a lot of things like sexual assault and whatever and it's going to be the thing where they will sit there and really try to train these guys. >> can i just add that there are a lot of women's conferences out there and i think we're having
fun with the headline here. >> bring in guest speakers. >> i want to know what they are going to do. wow. >> let's go to new jersey. how about this. walmart is claiming tracy morgan and the other passengers inside the limousine rear ended by their trucks is partly to blame for their injuries including death because they weren't wearing seat belts. it's the retailer's response filed by morgan and others involved in the accident on the new jersey turnpike in june. they called it surprising and appalling and not what they said they would do initially and take full responsibility. the lawsuit claims walmart should have known their driver didn't sleep for 24 hours before killing morgan's friend. spokesman said walmart continues to stand willing to work with mr. morgan and the other plaintiffs to resolve this matter. >> you know, there is,
obviously, going to be a big question whether seat belt could have saved his life and whether it could have prevented severe injuries in a van like that. the truth is it would have. >> yes. >> would have likely made the injuries far less severe. >> it could have. >> i don't think walmart will ever go to court here but they are putting it up in the pleadings. >> the driver not sleeping and driving as long as they are is an issue itself. coming up we'll tell you the one issue that was big enough to bring congress back from recess. i'm sure it was isis, right. >> exactly. >> there's really no response. >> apparently it wasn't. romney at risk. former presidential candidate is enjoying time away from the national spotlight. but for how long? that and a look at today's must read opinion pages. don't go back, we'll have much more on "morning joe." ♪ as i was walking down the
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♪ time now for the must read opinion pages. we'll start with "the washington post." obama's mission accomplished speech. on "60 minutes" sunday obama said the intelligence community under estimated a threat poesd
by the islamic state. the truth is it was obama who under estimated the threat. not because of bad intelligence but because he was blinded bipartisan his own ideological insistence on withdrawal. he did not want to hear that a mortal danger was gathering in iraq because it conflicted with his plan to cement his legacy. >> a lot of people say mark thiessen is a conservative. we heard the president was warned a year ago. >> he had other priorities and applaud the other priorities. withdrawing american troops from the middle east, not engaging in a further escalation of combat in the middle east those are laudible goals. but when you take your eye off the fact that de-baathification loaded up hussein's army corps gave them logistical ability,
command and control ability to a bunch of murderers you can't ignore that. >> democrats and republicans on capitol hill said he was so obsessed on getting troops out and bringing them home that the agenda blinded him to the realities on the ground which sounds a lot like george w. bush on the other side of the equation. >> well, here's what the "wall street journal" says brett stevens, obama needs to call bush and he says, having a long conversation with mr. bush is what mr. obama needs to do if he means to start salvaging his failing presidency. it would be an act of contrition. for six years of vulgar ridicule and sophomoric conde sense. all also humility for finally understanding that the intel is often wrong and that the choices in war are never clear or simple. >> what do you think the likelihood of president obama picking up the phone and firing a call to crawford, texas. >> maybe he did.
presidents and ex-presidents have a unique relationship. we don't know how often he called former presidents. >> it speaks to presidents during campaign easy to criticize the previous president whether it's a democrat or republican and then you get in the white house. they all get in and then they are all humbled. and then they pick up the phone after they are all humbled and they do call the previous president. now, this president has not yet talked policy with 43, but he might now. because this is a stage where george w. bush finally said okay, okay, i've screwed up big time. i've got to change my foreign policy. and he did. >> all right. joining us now, chief national correspondent for the "new york times" magazine. mark wrote his he in piece on
mitt romney. after spending time with him, mark you note romney settled into his private life but still entertains questions about getting back in. let me quote from your piece. a confluence of political realities created a genuine opening for a romney third act. as obama struggles through a difficult final term there is a lack of clear republican heir apparent. presumptive early front runners like chris christie and jeb bush have shown to be flawed or reluctant. a splintering of possible movement candidates rand paul, ted cruz kobe get a need for a default consensus choice. >> will it happen? >> probably not. but less than a ground swell and more than a peek in the distance is out there. i think it's pretty natural when you have a president who is
unpopular, the guy who he beat is clearly having some i told you so moments on a lot of key issues, mainly russia. also the lack of a clear heir apparent. it's human nature to default to the one you know and the one who came last. >> in the time that you spent with former governor romney, what sense, if any, did you get about his family and his family's involvement in whether or not he should run? >> feelings about it. >> look, i think there's a sense of gratitude that, look, maybe dad is not going to experience the classic pariah run that recent presidential runners up have experienced in the last few years. mostly -- look, i was up there. just mitt and nan.
they were home alone. nan was baking chocolate chip cookies in the other room. they didn't seem to be in a hurry to jump back in the circus. they are proud of the guy. >> you can make chocolate chip cookies and run for president of the united states at the same time. >> i can't do either. i can eat chocolate chip cookies. >> stop you from doing the second thing. it's fascinating, he's staying in close contact with a lot of his supporters, and a lot of his supporters and i've talked to them, they really want him to run again. okay, that's crazy, it's a crazy idea. is rand paul going the republican nominee? i don't want to offend everybody. no. no, he's not. is ted cruz going to be republican nominee? no. no, he's not. >> he went to the values conference and made a speech. >> don't make fun of that conference. >> i'm not.
>> and every four years you have certain conservatives running and every four years they are not going to win. how can you say that? because there's some things you just know. they are not going to win. so it leaves an opening for -- listen there's not a mainstream candidate right now that's stepped up. >> right. i would say though there will be a candidate on the right, in fact i think there will be a few candidates on the right who make the argument look we keep nominating these establishment republicans and we keep losing. >> i understand. that's what republicans do. you know what? republicans always nominate main street candidates win or lose. i agree. i would like somebody -- it's not what we do. we're not going to start doing it in 2016. we're not going to pick a libertarian. we're just not. >> governor romney said he was surprised he was able to get the nomination last time because the
party right now is in a populace place, southern place, evangelical place and i'm a rich northern mormon. >> i read an article that all the kids still love reading, willie, of course, because willie goes downtown. >> i know which one it is. >> the kids are going around. they got it laminate. crazy never wins. >> it's a good one. >> i'm saying republicans are conservative with the small c in the primary. you get all of this attention early on in iowa and new hampshire. the spaeparty is going crazy. bob dole, john mccain all these guys like people like my dad used to always vote for. they don't get myself bachmann, newt gingrich, ted cruz, ron paul. you can be pissed off at me just like pissed off that young love
never matures into old love. every day is not the longest day of the year but it's just the reality. >> i totally agree with you. can you bloef that? >> this time there is no romney, there's no john mccain. who is that guy. >> makes an opening for mitt romney. >> mark, we could have done that in a lot less time but thank you very much. >> more fun doing it this way. >> you need to look at me. >> nice to see him calm today because he sent me the most angry e-mail yesterday about the red sox's tribute to derek jeter. >> derek jeter, i tip my cap to him. i'm humbled to be on here, guys. >> they went overboard at fenway and i don't know if i'll ever forgive them about that. >> it was classy. >> still ahead, bill gates super.
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new details show the man accused of jumping the white house fence earlier this month made it much further inside than previously reported so how did this happen? let's bring in former technical adviser of the white house and retired member of the secret service patrick lennon. thank you very much, sir, for being on this morning. >> it's shocking to all of us and most americans that this guy could have gotten into the east room. is it shocking to you >> well, it is shocking to me, based on what i've experienced over my20 plus years, and what surprised me the most is the front door. >> why did that surprise you the most? >> well, it's like -- it's like any normal practical security, whether you're in the private industry or you're at the white
house, you do want to -- the first thing you do is you lock your doors. now, i can't speak why they did not have the door unlocked at the particular time. they may have had a very good reason but that hasn't come out in the investigation yet. >> mr. lennon, it's willie geist. i want to ask you because i think before we even get to the front door a lot of americans are shocked that this guy even made it that far. we assume the minute you step on the white house lawn there will be an officer or dog or if you get close enough a sniper of some kind. what is the protocol. a guy gets over the fence then what happens? >> well the protocol in the past is to be able to first observe him coming over the fence if you can. there's electronic detectors that will do that. at that point they then will apprehend the person as soon as they can. now, again, of course it depends
on how fast he runs and such like that. but for the most part they do have a protocol set in place. how this happened is beyond me, and, again, it's like anything else you can have a great plan, a protocol, and you have to implement it. now maybe that was a bad day for the secret service. i don't know. >> mike barn caclebarnacle. >> were you surprised, it's a grisly thing to think about, were you surprised that at some point he was not shot? >> no. no. because, first of all, the first thing you want to do is you want to be able to aprehen him in a way you don't have to use force of a weapon of some sort. from what i've read and seen is that didn't appear. it didn't appear he had any type of weapons on him that they
could visibly see. so just to shoot somebody or that, that was really uncalled for. as a professional i would not advise somebody doing that. now there's other means you can do to apprehend that person but to use force like that i wouldn't recommend doing that at all. of course, if, in fact, if he did show a gun, that's the whole ball game changes at that point. >> right. mika? >> do you know if the secret service at their posts outside of the white house are allowed to use their iphones. what other reason could explain this guy being missed so many times? >> i tell you what. i'm dumbfounded on that part. i don't understand. from what i saw of the film, i don't -- what i can't picture in my mind is how when they came up to the door how the officer failed to apprehend. now i will say this. it was probably a surprise that person who was up on the north
portico of the secret service uniform division could have been distracted in some way or wasn't alerted. i don't know for sure. but that was kind of surprising to me. you know, you're up there doing a post. it's a boring post. no doubt about it. but, again, you know, i can't say whether somebody was using an iphone or cell phone. that would be unacceptable. >> thank you so much. we greatly appreciate you being here. mika, you're absolutely certain a lot of these guards were looking down at something, looking down at an iphone, texting, doing something and, you know what, i think you're right. we asked somebody way up at the white house whether the guards were allowed to have phones and iphones while on duty and they said they felt they were. >> how scary is that to think about one looking down at a text between that guy and the
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in january president obama refers to the islamic state as a jv team. days later armed services committee holds a hearing on new global threats. senator kay hagan absent. in fact hagan missed half of the armed services committee hearings this year. while isis grew obama kept waiting and kay hagan kept quiet. the price for their failure is danger. to change direction we have to change our senator. >> i'm tell telis i approve this message. >> that's an ad from tom telis. he focuses on the rise of islamic state militants. are isis themed ads fair game in that case or any others, or do they cross the line. joining us now the editor and publisher of talking points josh
marshal and susan farechi. >> josh, let me start with you. when we talk about these ads we go back to 2002. is this fair game, isis ads? are they fair game or over the line? >> you know, i think they are over the line. i don't think they make a lot of sense of what's happened in the u.s. and policy discussion in the last year. but that's life and i think any spending too much time kind of whining about it misses the point. anything is fair in an election. >> is it going to work? as i've been saying over the past several months republicans can complain about barack obama not moving fast enough on syria, 80% of americans didn't want us to move on syria. so will this work in 2015? >> it doesn't make a lot of sense with everything that's happened in the last year. republicans with the exception of mccain and lindsey graham
didn't want to go in. the question is and there was a post i did yesterday asking about this. did those, did those beheading videos kind of change the national psyche in the u.s. to the point where the logic of it doesn't matter so much as just are we back in that kind of like hunker down fear state where if you just kind of say soft on terror that kind of -- you know that moves the numbers. i think it might be. there's been a drift in the republican direction in the last ten days or so and maybe that's just the numbers bouncing around. but i do wonder whether we just had a shift and that's what that's from. >> susan, you think they are fair game but are they effective. you know some of these ads end up being looming completely dramatic and overly exaggerated sort of jabs at the other candidates. do they work? >> let's look back at 2006 and
2008. what worked for democrats? democrats took over the house in 2006 in part on campaigning on the war in iraq, associating republican candidates with the war in iraq and their votes concerning the war in iraq. it worked. they picked up -- they netted 31 seats. they took over house to. it worked 7008. all about foreign policy. >> susan, here do you think it will work ten years later with a war weary american public? and as we've discussed before there are a lot of conservatives that don't want us to go back over. >> that's exactly right. the party is conflicted clearly. if you look at the poll numbers you see the public is as well. they are worried about the threat of terrorism. they don't want boots on the ground. i want puts republicans in a tougher situation than democrats were in 2008. these campaign ads are fair game because part of what led up to the problem in the middle east is this real concerted effort to get all of our forces out of iraq really at the expense of keeping the area stable.
that's a fair argument to make. >> josh, from what you've seen, from what you've read, are americans more concerned about isis or more concerned about jobs still? >> it's hard to say. i think that what's really driving this election is there's mid-terms are not good for democrats. there's a general feeling of unhappiness just on the jobs front and even beyond the jobs front even as the economy is actually picking up. i.t. not picking up for the vast majority of the public. i think the bigger concern i have about these isis ads, you know, there's a question did we under estimate isis. my real concern is are those propaganda videos and as horrible as what happened in those videos they were skillfully put together propaganda videos. is that shifting t ining nation
psyche? >> mika, you got to look at those two videos, propaganda videos and understand they fundamentally changed the debate in america and shifted the polls towards going to war. >> a couple of other news events, whether you call them copy cats or not. >> thank you all so much. >> still ahead, congress is demanding answers from the secret service over how a manmade it all the way into the east room. the chairman of the subcommittee looking into the security breech joins us on "morning joe." sometimes, healthy's not on the menu. luckily, always keep my meta health bars handy. my favorite bar, hands down. from the makers of metamucil, new multi health meta health bars have natural psyllium fiber that helps promote heart health, with a taste that consumers prefer. would you like one of these instead? yummy! thanks! experience the meta effect, with our new multi health wellness line.
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welcome back to "morning joe." live look at capitol hill. it is the top of the hour. joining us now we have "morning joe" contributor and managing editor of bloomberg politics, mark halperin. >> how are you doing? >> in washington we have pulitzer prize winning columnist -- you look good -- msnbc political analyst eugene robinson. i won't say anything inappropriate. you look fantastic mark halperin. >> you look very nice. >> very healthy. >> can we get to the news. >> and clean. very clean. >> i majored in grooming in college. >> you look well groomed. >> in just a few hours the direct majority of the secret service is scheduled to testify at a congressional hearing.
that's going to be something. >> it comes one day after "the washington post" first reported that the suspect in the white house security breach this month made it farther inside the house than previously reported. officials now say omar gonzalez, an iraq war veteran armed with a knife overpowered a female secret service officer who was manning the north doors. she did not know there was a breach because the white house ushers office asked for the alarm box to be silenced. >> unbelievable. >> gonzalez allegedly ran past the guard and headed into the east room of the white house. officials say he was able to run all the way to the other end of the 80-foot room before a counter assault agent tackled him. >> past the stairs. >> by the doorway of the green room. >> the guy would have covered less space if he had gone up the stairs, gene robinson and gone into the family's quarters. and "the washington post" has done extraordinary work on this story and also the story of the
shooting at the white house, and none of us understand how could this happen. somebody has to be fired, right? >> absolutely. first of all, our hat off to our great reporter. she's done a fabulous job on this story as well as on many stories in the past. but this is crazy. i mean it was bad enough that you can jump the fence and run all the way to the white house and door is unlocked and you can run in. they told you that that was all that happened. why did they lie to us? why didn't they tell us he got all the way into the east room. joe, you know the lay out. he's running wild all over the white house. this is absolutely outrageous, and amazing, and -- >> again what's stunning, gene, is he ran all the way into the east room. the lay out of the white house it would have been much easier for him to run upstairs into the
family quarters, and probably would have been able to go up there and he certainly wouldn't have been in the open as much. and if the children were there. >> right. >> a great tragedy. >> the guy had a knife. this is -- this can never ever, ever happen. you just can't imagine this happening. yet it happened. i just think from top to bottom you have to look at the secret service, and there's just something wrong in that organization. >> unbelievable. >> something desperately wrong. >> new details means secret service director will likely face extremely tough questions later today from both democrats and republicans on the house oversight committee and here with us now from capitol hill, republican representative from utah and a member of the house oversight committee congressman
jas jason. >> why did the training numbers drive down? i think there's questions about leadership and i have real questions about protocol because there are multiple rings of security around the white house every single one of them seems to have failed. there's redundancy. why did the secret service issue a statement saying the officers showed and to use their words, tremendous restraint. really? tremendous restraint? i mean that's in their press release paragraph two touting how great the officers responded. >> congressman chaffetz, what are your larger concerns about the secret service. we've seen a snowball effect of stories you can go back to the officers in colombia with the prostitutes and drinking everything else and then this report in the "post" a couple of days shots were fired at the
white house and no one discovered it until four days later. >> we won't solve think it morning but we do need to go back and take a critical look what happened on 9/11 in 2001. the secret service had tremendous great wonderful response. when they moved over to homeland security and that director became a political appointee with senate confirmation i worry it became much more of a political office as opposed to the office under the department of treasury. we need to let them focus on the safety and security of the white house and other assets. but i worry about leadership. i worry about protocol. >> what needs to be done in the meantime because clearly we have several layers that fell apart here and i hope i'm not the only one -- i'm sure i'm not the only one at this table thinking that if you are someone who wants to do harm to this country in light of all the other conversations we're having, wouldn't your first stop be -- i mean --
>> the white house. first line of defense. it's unbelievable, congressman. >> well, that's the concern is this projection of weakness. unfortunately will invite more attacks. what if 12 people jumped over the fence? i don't understand how the secret service can go out there and t oumpb t the fact they offered tremendous restraint. if you can't get a dog or a person in between a would be assailant coming in to the white house then maybe you need to use more lethal force, more aggressive force. you can ever make this mistake. we have great men and women out there serving in the secret service but their management, the leadership, the director is sending all the wrong signals when they are patting them on the back for tremendous restraint. >> are we going to be able to find out what was happening when this guy was missed. what they were doing when this guy was running.
>> i have to interrupt and ask you to ask mic j's question. because mika is certain and i think she may have a point that some of these guards may have been looking down at their phones. maybe they were texting. those families that always put the phones in the basket, i think when you come on duty you don't have an iphone. >> well, you know, one of the things that i read about in the "the washington post" and we heard from whistle blowers is that the audible alarm just inside that door was muted because they -- it made too much noise. that begs the question of how in the world could that have happened. is that true, director? then you also see this video with an agent. his gun is drawn and the person just runs right past him. he doesn't get in his way, doesn't shoot him. how does that happen? again the one person but all these layers, nothing went right. >> congressman, thank you. jason chaffetz, thank you very much. some of the nation' top
intelligence officials and lawmakers are pushing back against president obama's statement that u.s. intelligence agencies under estimated the threat posed by islamic state militants. one top official tells the "new york times" there were numerous reports warning about the rise of isis. but quote the white house just didn't pay attention to it. or considerate big priority. and the chairman of the house tension committee republican congressman mike rogers says president obama knew about isis for more than a year. he says it was not policymakers, not intelligence, it was policymakers, not intelligence officials who failed. >> mark halperin, we talked about how extraordinary it was this president who was warned by people inside of his own administration, by democrats on capitol hill of the growing threat of isis and was even told hey this group, we're afraid this group will take up large swaths of land in syria and iraq and then goes on "60 minutes"
and blames the intelligence community. this is politics 101, don't cross the cia especially if you aren't holding the cards because they will leak you to death. >> they are fighting a three front war. now at war with the secret service, kind of at war with the pentagon over some of the decisions about how to fight this war. those are three bureaucracies that presidents particularly democratic presidents take on at their peril. the "new york times" story is unbelievable. there's a quote of intelligence people pushing back. he is responsible. the line from the "60 minutes" interview is resonating within the intelligence community without a doubt. >> gloets up to capitol hill. we have republican representative from illinois a member of the foreign affairs committee an iraq war veteran. he recently visited turkey and meeting with members of the free syrian army and civilians impacted by the war. senator, what can you add?
the president saying on "60 minutes" there was an intelligence failure. how much do you believe that the president knew and when did he know it? >> look, i'm not going to accuse the president of lying. what i'll tell you i'm sure it was in the presidential daily briefs. i didn't get a congressional daily brief. back in january i called for bombing isis when they moved into falluja. for somebody like me knew this was an issue, had been concerned for a very long time. the president gets the details. look, if he reads his presidential daily briefs as he should, i'm sure he was warned multiple times. we know a year ago the iraqi government requested help from the united states because they said this growing insurgency the old aqi is threatening our country and they were ignored. they were ignored at their own peril. i went into iraq after this trip to turkey and we stabilized the front with isis potentially, but there's a lot of work to do in
taking back that territory from isis is not going to be anything easy or short term. it's going to be a long term fight. >> congressman, this is gene robinson. as you said you don't get to read the presidential daily brief and i don't get to read it either. what we understand about it is that everything is in there. that there are threats that would set your hair on fire. that actually never do come true but there's lots of things that the president has to pay attention to in there. is it fair, you know, and again we haven't seen the documents, but is it fair to point the finger at the president for something that may have been in the brief along with a list of 15 things that day that seemed to deserve urgent attention? >> that's a fair point. and i'll tell you, i don't play partisan politics when it comes to international policy because i'm old school i believe politics goes away at water's edge. i'm sure isis was not in his briefing one day and it was
number 14 or 15. my guess is this surface ad lot. my guess it got big enough especially in this last spring where his intelligence folks were coming to him personally and saying mr. president this is a huge growing problem. i'm sure he was talked to about it in the spring. and yet nothing was done until basicalliy erbil was about to fall. remember president bush, there was that one presidential daily brief where it said bin laden determined to strike and he was called on that for a decade. >> i do think, i think the criticism is fair. i do think there's a difference between an imminent threat by a terrorist organization and a growing threat and i think we're still unclear, the president and members of congress said this is not, isil is not an imminent threat. we're unclear at best what is the nature of the threat facing
us and what acshown should we take. i'm not sure if the president would have support from the american people or congress if he wanted to do air strikes. >> he would not have. any more than fdr would have had support, you know, on december the 6th, 1941 to declare war against japan or germany. the president, you can say what you want about the president strategically but politically he was right where the american people were. >> he's hedged back. >> he's moved where they are. >> i think there's a fair amount of consensus. you heard the congressman talking about politics stopping at the water's edge. john boehner and pell don't sound that different in their attitude towards the threat what congress's role should be. we have a rare moment of consensus. the challenge for the president is to act. training the iraqis and training the syrians is a big problem. national consensus has to hold for years. >> gene robinson thank you for being with us.
over the next hour i would love to talk about the letter or the news article that you have been carrying around inside your purse for several days. >> i still have it. >> to talk to your girls about this tragedy at uva. >> where there are some updates to that as well. some links to another case as well. still ahead on "morning joe" bill gates and rick perry are here. plus we're bringing you back to the year 1987. >> a goodyear. >> gary hart's affair sunk his political aspiration but dragged all political media down with it. from scott walker to malloy many incumbent governors will have a year to remember. how many will survive the election. >> it's governors who are on the run this year >> you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back.
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♪ yeah, i think so. >> i have a question about another one. time to take a look -- thomas is here. >> hey, gang. >> all right. let's start with the "new york times," afghanistan has a new president. one of his first acts in office has a direct impact on america's foreign policy, specifically our men and women in the armed servi services. ghani just signed a security agreement to allow u.s. troops to stay in the country. it's a major reversal from the policy of karzai who refused to agree to the pact and accused the united states of creating afghanistan's problems. it will allow american bases to stay in the country. >> there's a criminal trial for a dozen former educators linked to this cheating scandal in georgia. prosecutors are saying that the teachers engaged in this
widespread conspiracy to boost the test scores in an effort to keep their jobs. so students, they are expected to testify that teachers provided them with the right answers -- >> boy i wish i had those answers. >> me too. the nuns didn't give us the answers. they did not. the employees were reportedly admit to helping the defendants alter the exams. >> nuns gave me a ruler on the knuckles. >> richmond times dispatch virginia state police say the suspect charged in the disappearance of uva student hannah graham may be linked to the unsolved murder of virginia tech student morgan harrington who disappeared five years ago. fbi says dna evidence from that 2009 case has also been linked to a 2005 sexual assault but officials wouldn't comment on whether they believe the current suspect had any involvement in that case. jesse matthew jr. is set to appear in court for a bond
hearing on thursday. >> talk about that article. >> well "the washington post" has been covering it, made it into a full screen. i was reading the story about hannah graham. and how, you know, as a mother of a daughter in college now you look at everything differently. and i circled this one paragraph because i wanted to read it to both my daughters it's frightening. it said. just the reporting on it not opinion. in the article a couple days ago saying police issued a wanted poster for the man suspected in the missing uva student and i want said on the night of september 12th at some point after-month after she headed outside and walked in the wrong direction she had been drinking she texted friends she was disoriented but ultimately found her way to the downtown mall that she recognized. there matthew approached her and put his arm around her. witnesses saw the two walking towards the eastern end of the mall but the trail goes cold.
and, you know, it just -- i don't know how many times we can say to our daughters not to leave a party alone. not to leave. >> ever. >> ever. >> ever. >> i remember reading the article and trying to figure out what happened and who this guy is but that one paragraph just stopped me because i could envision -- i'm sure i mean there are times you tell me not to walk places when we have events and stuff alone and we do it. we think it's okay. >> it's not. >> then i.t. not. >> it's not. all right. from "the washington post" also the creator of the popular app called stealth genie is facing charges. >> stealth genie is something that can be used to catch cheating spouses. >> okay. >> there was a suspenseful delay there. the words in that box it didn't roll. stalker app. so it can track a person's
location and also allow users to monitor phone calls. the creator is charged with conspiracy and the sale and advertising of surreptitious interception. >> you just can't do that. the article says it's an app that you put on somebody's phone and you can hear their telephone conversations and see all their texts. all things that will get you in a federal penitentiary for a long time. so they are going after, you know, this guy. >> the creators of it. >> that's like i think like wiretapping. >> i guess so. the "new york daily news" chelsea clinton is back home with her new baby. the former first daughter left the new york city hospital yesterday with baby charlotte and her husband. the two very proud grandparents were also on hand. >> very cute. very, very cute. by the way, on that app, though, it doesn't mean we can't use it for children. >> exactly. that's perfect. >> because if it's your phone
you ought to be able to use it for your children. >> that's right. >> i'm going to get it. >> stopping your child. >> it is -- >> it's not called stalking your child it's called good parenting. >> there you go. if you pay for the phone. >> if it's your phone. >> let's go to politico. >> if your friends -- >> you know how some kids are. drinking and having sex with the green bay packers. >> southern plains it. terrible. >> let's get into this. with us how is the chief white house correspondent for politic jobs mike allen with the morning playbook. he has a lot out there. so, let's look at this this morning because one of the lead stories is looking at how both parties are resorting to the politics of fear to raise money and it works. so, explain how this is all going in the typical homestretch of the campaigns for the mid-terms? >> just about every single one
of your viewers have gotten these in their e-mail box and not just the politics of fear. it's the politics of doom. this time both parties realize that pessimism is selling. it reflects the mood of the country, reflects the tone of so many of these campaigns and so today is the last quarterly deadline before the elections. everybody is racing to raise money so you get an e-mail from democrats that say all hope is lost, you get an e-mail from mitt romney trying to raise money for senators saying the democrats are out raising us. even karl rove always cheerful, an optimist even in the second term of george w. bush is sending emails writing columns how they are being out raised. it's a bad time to be a politician. but that creates good times for raising money. >> so we'll look for those doom laden subject lines in e-mail
box. we also have this on what could be an election day wipe out for incumbent governors across the country. let's start with the cross-hairs in what's going for election cycle of the states where they are most at risk. so let's start with -- what state is the most vulnerable, governor? >> rick scott in florida is one of them. a republican. governor quinn in illinois a democrat. you have both parties. this is so unusual. incumbents of any stripe almost always big favorites to be elected. we have as many as ten who could actually lose and there's even polls showing incumbents tied. usually with all the advantages of office they don't have to really struggle. >> corbett in pennsylvania most people think he's gone. up in maine. malloy has fallen behind in some
recent falls. pat quinn consider him gone. scott walker. rick snider fighting for his political life. rick scott in trouble. scott walker, he's in a race for his life. hickenlooper okay and nathan deal in georgia. >> president cart ear's grandson could force him into a run off. >> mike allen, thank you so much. still ahead, president jimmy carter pulled off the near impossible at camp david more than 35 years ago. lawrence wright is here to explain how he and dr. brzezinski indict. he went from computers to charity and now trying to stop one of the world's most pressing crises. bill gates is our next guest straight ahead on "morning joe." you, my friend are a master of diversification.
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♪ with us now we got the founder of bill and linda gates foundation. bill and melinda gates foundation will give $50 million to fight ebola.
and he'll bet mika brzezinski to match that gift by the end of this segment. what i found fascinating about your view of the ebola crisis which scares most americans and obviously scares people across the world you actually have an optimistic view. you think we're doing pretty well against the disease. >> well, it's amazing that the u.s. ability to lead this is there. dod can take the logistic end so medical workers can go in and out, get the supplies where the transport links have broken down. science here, u.s. medical research is advanced enough now that we had some tools that work hard to get into the crisis and help out. so, you know, i.t. going to take some resources, but the continuing resolution has a generous amount of money to not only stop this but to rebuild those countries.
our foundation was nabl to help in nigeria because we had polio activity. we pulled people and helped the emergency operations center that took the number of cases down to zero where it would have been a complete disaster if that hadn't happened. >> some people are concerned that the troops on the ground got off to a slow start, that the response isn't fast enough. what would you say to those critics. >> you can never go fast enough in a crisis like this. disease had never been seen in that area. the local primary health care was very weak. most of africa has built up the health systems over the last ten years. but those countries because of civil war were still very weak so the data coming out early was protest confusing. i'm very impressed with what's gone on the last three weeks. the head of the cdc went out there. he got the president to say okay the whole government is going to make this a priority and the uk and others are jumping in.
>> let's ask about that. do you think the international community is doing enough? >> well some countries now -- seeing the scale of the u.s. generosity which will probably be the highest, they need to step up in terms of their volunteers. cuba has made an important offer in terms of doctors and their doctors are quite well trained. so that will be very helpful. you got the u.s. focusing more on liberia, uk on sierra leone, guinea. >> if you look at the estimate it says up to 1.4 million could be affected by january 20th if control efforts don't improve. do you think the u.s. especially with our response and now with the commitment that your organization is making $50 million do you think we've been reactive or proactive? >> i think we have this unbelievable capacity in terms of medical research and our cdc
is the best in the world, our army logistics are the best in the world so it's amazing we're willing to go in there. i think with this effort the death toll will be far less than that 1.4 million which the model said was possible if we don't get the treatment centers up and going. >> don't say it enough. thank you for your generosity and all your work on this. where will we be on ebola in six months or a year. >> in six months with any luck we'll have it under control in these three countries. the biggest question mark is will it spread to other countries? now centers are being set up in the surrounding countries, senegal had a few cases. they need to be vigilante. mali never had a good health system as well. so if we can contain to it the three countries, get the case
numbers to come down there, then we should be able to have this behind us and a lot of rebuilding will have to be done. and, you know, although i'm super impressed with what we've done there will be lessons out of this that willett us be faster next time. >> let's change subjects quickly to education. you obviously, you and your wife have been on the forefront of pushing for education reform. you've learned some things. this morning we have news of testing scandals in atlanta. what's the best way forward on reform of all the money that you've spent on education reform, what's the next step? it seems like everybody has been shaken and they are now focused. but what's the next step on education reform? >> well the big opportunity has always been to look at the teachers who are amazing, the top 10%. understand what they do. and invest more in helping the
other teachers teach almost at that level. >> by the way, that is the conclusion, is it not, that i read some stories about you guys after doing a lot of things and working hard for years, you found out at the end of the day, it comes down to the teachers on the front line. comes down to great teachers make great schools. >> not only that, the variance between the best teachers and the average teachers are gigantic. the bottom quartile is below that. you lose knowledge if you have a teacher in that group. you gain up to two years of knowledge if you got somebody that can make it interesting. teachers get so little feedback, you're on your own, you go into the personnel file all it's got is attendance. this is what you're good at, this is not what you're good at. when you put those personnel systems in place which unfortunately a lot of countries we compete with do that very
well, then the engagement of the students is far, far higher. >> who is the best, country? >> singapore, korea and china are the three that in terms of math skills, language skills, they are way, way ahead. they spend less than a quarter of what we do. >> hat about on teachers. you say some do more than just measure attendance. who measures performance of teachers best? who should we emulate. >> china, korea. they also have a slightly longer school year. somewhat longer school day. they have cultural factors that are in their favor as well. but, where that teacher improvement system is in place, you see the results pick up pretty quickly and that's what the pilots in the united states tell us as well. >> bill gates, thank you so
much. great to have you on the set. >> we love having you. >> still ahead, texas governor rick perry joins the table our next hour. but first the exact moment politics went tabloid. the lasting effect of gary hart's affair and why he thinks his scandal played a role in sending the country into war with iraq. >> when mark halperin became a political journalist. >> we'll explain that logic next on "morning joe."
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reported, photographers peeking in our windows, swarms of helicopters hovering over my roof and my wife close to tears because she can't get in her own house at night without being harassed. and then the pundits wonder why some of the best people in this country choose not to run for high office. >> that was gary hart dropping out of the presidential race in 1987. after the nation learned about his affair with donna rice. with us now national political columnist, he's out with a new book "all the truth is out the week politics went tabloid." it's stunning. four years later bill clinton was elected president of the united states. i won was bill clinton elected president of the united states four years later because of gary hart, and people sort of looked back with regret that this guy
was drummed out for as you said sort of tabloid journalism creeping into politics. >> that would be a heart warming interpretation but i don't think so. i think somebody had to walk into it. there were a lot of factors at play in society at that time that haven't been revisited. it was inevitable we were going in this direction, this collision of politics and celebrity. hart walked into it. if it wasn't hart it would have been clinton or somebody else. four years later clinton looking at -- figuring how to navigate it. >> hart may have survived it. there may have been a backlash if hart followed through. i remember the moment when "the washington post" reporter asked him have you committed adultery there was almost a gasp in the room from the other reporters. that's when we crossed the line. >> you talked to other people who said senator, do you think adultery is immoral and hart said i suppose it is. senator have you ever committed
adultery he's trying to get to the morality question. people in the room remember it like it was yesterday because everybody knew a bridge was crossed. >> is that when the rubicon was crossed? >> i think so. the surveillance, sending reporters to hide outside the house, to disguise themselves, to catch him in the act that had not been done. but i think that moment at that news conference is quite significant. >> mark halperin would that happen today? it seems there's been such a push back against this. what was shocking in 1987 would almost not be tolerated, i think, by the press in 2014? yes or no. >> matt put his finger on a brilliant thesis but kind of contradictory in the sense that hart did change things and the at that bo tabloidization. and now candidates aren't asked certain questions.
so the bar has been drawn at some questions that don't get asked. you can never learn any lessons from bill clinton because there's nobody like him. no one else can survive what bill clinton survived. but the tabloidingization pervades our political coverage. >> mike, you were a reporter, this happened in your backyard, pretty stunning, no, when it was going on? >> yeah. what kinds of questions were you talking about. >> adultery, drug use. >> i disagree. >> not everybody gets asked. >> not everybody gets asked but i think they are all asked. >> look at george w. bush, he refused to answer the drug questions. >> he was able to draw the line. >> i'm not answering those questions. >> matt? >> i guess the question is if politicians are not going to answer your question. >> the larger point is i think a lot of questions get asked and sometimes we do try to revise where those boundaries are.
but the real point after hart you see a shift in the ethos of political journalism. you're lying about something. how do we find out what is it. there's a scandal mindset, a scandal imperative that comes. >> you add on top of that the fact that outside groups spend tens of millions of dollars digging up whatever they can dig up on somebody. they will make everybody, everybody that runs look like a beast by the end which is why good people -- you combine journalism and all that. it's why good people don't run for office. >> matt writes gary hart implies without the scandal emerging george w. bush wouldn't have become president and he feels a sense of guilt or a sense of obligation about the scandal, preventing him from becoming president. fascinating. >> you can argue, you know, it's an interesting theory because he was beating george h.w. bush by quite a bit in the
polls. bush becomes the only president since the 22nd amendment passed a guy to gate third term for his party. something was going on there. his point is george w. bush doesn't become president. but when you understand what this man carries around and there are consequences to these scandals, and consequences to driving people out of politics -- >> the people that we keep out of politics because they don't want -- not only do they not want to put up with it, their children and their wives or their husbands to put up with it. >> the book is "all the truth is out." still ahead how the simple act of turning on a porch light means so much more for one 6-year-old boy. stay with us. when folks think about what they get from alaska, they think salmon and energy. but the energy bp produces up here creates something else as well: jobs all over america.
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>> his dad was his best buddy who always said he loved darren to the moon and back. so when staff sergeant thomas basar deployed to afghanistan, the moon was their connection. >> he said you look at the moon and talk to daddy. the moon will come back around and tell me while you're sleeping what you said. >> they did it most nights until a year ago on december 26th when sergeant baysore was killed in action. that night darren asked his mom if they could put on the front porch light so dad would see it shining when he looked down from the moon, and on the one-year anniversary darren wanted everyone to put on their porch light. >> he said i want it to be bright so daddy can see that i love him. >> they put together a facebook page and on friday darren kicked things off. >> all over the country. all over the world, people turned on their front porch lights and snapped a photo. >> from utah, washington, iraq
and a soldier's bunk in afghanistan, a trucker left his headlights on. kids saluted from alaska. rebecca weatherford sent an image of the northern lights saying we turned the lights on and the heavens answered back. >> thank you for turning your porch lights on. >> can you tell them how it made you feel? >> good. >> his mom says it brought darren's laugh back. >> i just miss that laugh. this past year he's lost it and i finally got it back. t i want to thank everybody for that. >> such a simple wish granted for a little boy who has been thruway too much. >> say we lo you daddy. >> love you daddy. >> say we miss you. >> miss you. >> beautiful story. up next. new questions surrounding the secret service's ability to do their basic job after we learned
the armed men didn't just enter the white house but made it all the way to the east room. we have the latest details next. and governor rick perry will join the table. we're back in just a moment.
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>> so we complain a lot around here about weather in new york, right? >> right. >> september has been the best month of the year. >> beautiful. >> i mean, well, okay, it didn't get over 40 degrees until july. >> you're not going to complain, are you? >> but we're getting paid back on this side of it. aren't we? >> people outside new york ask why we talk so much about the weather. it's sucked so bad. i'm just driving in this morning thinking, right? >> a mild summer setting us up. this september has been perfect. 70s, breeze. >> we've been paid back. >> dorian is here. >> it's amazing. >> which begs the question. every time you have a good day in new york, oh, man. it's just like san diego. you get three or four a year. and you start asking yourself, why am i living np san diego? >> i know. >> other than taxing being 85% of everything. >> what are you going to do? >> very hard to get in the building today? but easier to get in the white
house? >> no, seriously. we've been doing this for seven and a half years. >> we had a hard time this morning. >> it would be easier for us to run in the east room than it was to get on our own set this morning. >> i don't know who runs the building. they don't know how to run anything. just walk in. >> just seven and a half years and we still can't get in the building. >> i got stopped by security. oh well. next time i'll try. >> did you really? >> i could not get in here. that's okay. >> and you guys are going down to the elevators. guys just staring at you. they let you push the button for ten minutes. >> they love doing that do you. >> what's going on? what are you doing? >> okay. so 30 rock, a little bit difficult this morning if you're coming to work. but in washington, apparently things are wide open. >> just walk right into the white house. >> let's not joke too much.
it's dead serious. >> you agree that somebody should be fired? they should be fired. >> i think they have a culture problem and a security problem. it reflects the sense of the organization. and now we have two major events in the past couple of years. one in the past week that showed this agency is completely crippled. >> i got to say the obamas are more patient than i would be. these people -- i know why the president was angry about it. i'm sure the first lady was very concerned about it. but holy cow. >> in just a few hours the director of the secret service is scheduled to testify at a congressional hearing and it comes a day after the "washington post" reported that the suspect in the white house security breach this month made it further than previously reported. officials initially said he jumped the white house fence with a knife and entered through the north doors of the first
family's home before being taken into custody. you got the sense that he got in the door and they got him. >> they stopped him, right. >> officials now say gonzalez also overpowered a female secret service officer. she did not know there was a breach because the white house usher's office asked for the alarm box to be silenced. it could be used to alert someone that someone was coming. gonzalez ran past the guard, headed to the east room of the white house, look at this map. >> okay. >> look how far he went inside the building. >> and while we're looking. okay. i want to go back, if we can. >> should have been caught by the dogs on the lawn. >> i don't know if you can take that down or not. but as you go past, you will see the stairs that he ran past. if he had taken a quick right, see the stairs, go right upstairs. and he ran past into the east room. he could have run upstairs.
>> apparently there are other methods to keep the stairs safe. i question everything at this point. >> i don't believe that. >> he could have gone right up the stairs right there. there's so many questions to ask here. why do they silence an alarm box? why do you have a female officer inside that can be overpowered? got no problem with female officers as long as they're 6'4", weigh 280 pounds and can take down that runs through the front door. maybe somebody will be mad about me. i don't give a damn when you're talking about the safety of the president, the first lady and his two young daughters. don't give a damn. put somebody big, bigger than
anybody else that runs through the doors that will tackle them and make them regret it. >> we have a retired member of the secret service coming up. but as you can see, he made it to the other end of the 80-foot room before a counter assault agent tackled him by the doorway to the greenroom. the new details mean julia pearson will face tough questions from republicans and democrats of the house oversight committee. >> i'm extremely concerned. most organizations have acceptable losses. in other words they're right 97% of the time. in the case of the secret service, they have to succeed 100% of the time. >> without a doubt, this is a moment, a transformational moment, where it's clear that something needs to be done, and something needs to be done drastically. it's also clear they need to have a come to jesus moment. clearly the secret service has
not measured up to its reputation. >> no. i mean, you know, i think covered the prostitution issues and the problems abroad. we covered them, and then we moved on. >> if you're getting drunk in mexico or some other place the night before you're supposeded to be taking care -- okay, whatever. >> no, no, no. punish them for that. that's one thing. but man, mike. if you're letting people jump the the fence, run into the white house. >> but i think it's related. the problem here is it's highly likely that will overreach and shut down the rest of pennsylvania avenue. >> no, no, no. they can't do that. the mistakes at every level
along the way. the plain clothed secret service on the outside of the fence. they didn't do their job. the dog was not released. dogs were not released. the alarm box was muted. the alarm box automatically locks the doors. it wasn't working at every step it was human effort. >> that's insanity. >> it's almost impossible as you read through this many layers of security failed. you talk about the plain clothed officers outside the fence. there's a guard in the booth in the north lawn. there's an attack dog supposed to be released. there's a specialized s.w.a.t. team that's supposed to step in. the alarm inside was turned off because the usher complained it was too noisy when it goes off.
he had a carful of ammunition. he's a war veteran suffering from ptsd. he's a trained sniper. we don't know that in the act. >> then he had a map as well? >> he had a map? >> he had circled when he was arrested with seven guns in his car. a map that circled the white house. >> and then we learned about the incident where it took the secret service four days to realize shots were fired. >> they need to clean house. there's great secret service agents. >> it's an elite protective unit. it did fwhooift like an elite protective unit. >> some of the top intelligence officials and lawmakers are pushing back against president obama's statement that the u.s. intelligence agencies underestimated the posts. one top official tells "the new york times" there were numerous
reports. warning about the rise of isis, but, quote, the white house just didn't pay attention to it or consider it a big priority. and the compare man of the house intelligence committee, republican congressman mike rogers says president obama knew about isis for more than a year. he says hfs pollty makers not intelligence officials who failed. president obama's comments were the focus of a heated exchange at the white house. jonathan karl questioneded josh earnest about warnings from several top officials, including the assistant secretary of state. >> this is one of your key people on iraq who was raising this alarm in november of last year. did this message get to the isn't the did he believe it? did he not hear it? what happened? >> the president has discussd this on a number of occasions. principally what we're talkinged about the is rapid advance isis was able to make across the iraqi desert and the success that they have had after that
advance to holding large swaths of territory. >> if i can stop for you a second. two months after this, the president calls isil the jv team. >> we've been through this. the question was specifically about what happened after isil took over fallujah. >> we can look at the transcript after the briefing. >> you don't want to be josh in that position. >> impossible. >> the president really messed up on "60 minutes." he should have said he screwed up. everybody knows he screwed up. he's saying we're really in danger of seeing isis take over large swaths of syria and iraq. that's written down. it's all written down. and then he blamed the intelligence community. i don't think there's anything
for the white house to do but just say we screwed up. but joe, i would ask you the expert at this, doesn't congress also have a responsibility in terms of the intelligence committees who get briefed as well to raise these questions to the president about what the strategy is. >> and mike rogers was just saying they were warning him for over a year. if the president wants to say i don't think the american people were ready. i wasn't ready. we're war weary, that's one thing. you can't go on 60 minutes and say it's someone else's fault. i'm going to do that. if i knock over a tea at a restaurant. ch i'm sorry james knocked over my tea. let's give morning joe bumper stickers.
sometimes it's just as good to say we screwed up. we're all wrong. this, though. this sounds like george w. bush pre9/11 when he was given many warnings, dismissed, and they were scrambling to explain why they weren't wrong for ten years. >> he clearly didn't read thoroughly. >> the difference is he did go out and blame the intel. >> the larger question here, and the president put himself in the middle of the question sunday night is jim clapper. he lied to lock a year and a half ago in testimony. >> yeah. >> he has clearly been unable to assemble the intelligence point where the president -- it gets the president's full attention. i mean, just anecdotely in talking to people in the state department. and that hussein's officer core
is now in syria. >> why, willie? the president was warned. he's been warned for some time. why do you ignore that? and secondly, what you then go on "60 minutes", the second most news program in america -- >> after? >> after "morning joe" of course. i don't think anybody questions that. >> i'm talking to you. >> that's the most important news show in america. >> you'll like that. >> oh my gosh. it seemed like it's not the smartest political thing. >> doesn't it also violate one of the oldest rules in washington. you're going to hear about it in the front page of "the new york
times." with various leaks. now they've all come out. there are 872 agencies. that i would screw over before the cia. i'm serious. they did it to bush. and killed him. zblcht there's one passage in this piece in the times. it says a senior official in the administration. they were so focused on taking down assad they were blind to the problem. the strategy was to take out assad or get him to leave. they were sort of on the wrong side. now a year later they flipped. >> texas governor rick perry, still to come. >> he's nice. >> i don't agree with lihim. >> he's good looking. >> he is a flirt. and in a charming way.
not a bad way. >> really good way. >> he's a sweet guy. but hooe wrong on everything. >> he is so right on everything. and then a remarkable snap sh shot. >> this is where he's going to talk about your father. and the chess match. >> i don't know if my dad's story matches lawrence's. >> by the way -- >> he's not here to tell us. >> there's this amazing photo, right? playing chess. we find out now like 30 years later that he didn't win. you know, i won that. he did this mind game. >> he said he was really happy about it because he hated the doctor so much. >> oh my god. but first. it's true. he did hate him. >> those two polls. i didn't know vagan was polish? >> right.
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bush. there's the guy with the mustache. >> thank you for that lovely picture. >> what are you doing there? you look scared. >> i'm talking. so this is at the union league in philadelphia in the lincoln room. and there were 400 women, fabulous women. we were celebrating city year. it seems like they all watch the show and think they you are adorable. we have so much fun talking about women and value and negotiating and empowerment and celebrating such a great organization that makes such a big difference. >> so thank you for having me. >> willie and i think they have the best pot roast. >> we run the place now. check twitter. >> let's take a look at the morning papers. did you ever do that? >> the daily mail. julian assange is still holed up
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you're talking about gender inequality. right? look how mad she is. turn around. jen is so --. you don't like this idea, do you, jen? no, no, i'm talking about iceland. she's so mad. she's angry at iceland right now. >> it's part of a global campaign launched to get 100,000 men and boys involved in the fight for gender equality. they are getting men and young boys together and they're going to talk about things like sexual assault and whatever. it's going to be a thing where they're going to sit there and really try to train these guys. >> there are a lot of women's conferences out there. we're having fun with the headline here. i'm curious to know what they're going to do.
>> how about this? walmart is claiming that tracy morgan and the other passengers rear ended are partly to blame for their injury, including death in one case, by the way, because they were not wearing seat belts. it's retail ear response. any others involved on the accident in the new jersey turnpike. they called the company's claim surprising, appalling and not what they said they would do initially, which was to take full responsibility. the lawsuit claims wal-mart should have known its driver hadn't slept in the 24 hours before the crash that killed morgan's friend. that driver pleaded not guilty to charges of assault and death by automobile. ch a spokesman says they continue top stand willing to work with mr. morgan and the other plaintiffs to solve this matter. he was the guy who died in that. >> and there is obviously going to be a big question if they go to court whether seat belt could have saved his life and could have prevented severe injuries.
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world's greatest mug shot. he is a good -- jonathan capehart, he's a good looking man. i'm sorry. is this not the greatest thing politically to ever happen to rick perry? i have to show you the other side, though. we got to show the other side. >> don't show the other side. i mean.
come on. they're seriously going to wish in austin they had never gone off rick perry and they played into his hands. >> mike barnacle, you said it was the best guerrilla markets ever. >> absolutely. absolutely. you don't have to pay ad time or anything like that. >> i run through the streets of west chester in that thing. >> well, i had to pay for it. for the record. rick pack paid for that. >> rick pack. oh my god. i can't tell if i like you. >> it is really good. life is good. >> so what's going on with this thing? is it going to get dismissed? >> we have a great legal team. it's in their hands. the process is going to go forward. i don't know what else to say about it. from my perspective it's over with. >> if i said here and said it's the dammedest thing i ever saw,
i would say he's a republican talking about a republican. i've always been so nice to you. oh, wait a second. no, i haven't. >> here lately you have been. >> here lately i've been okay. democrats are saying it's the damnedest thing they've seen too. do you have a d.a.'s office out of control? >> that decision will get made when this is finalized. >> look at that. >> cool cat. >> you going to run for president? >> i'll make a decision next year. >> look at that. he's talking just with like one. i love it. >> do you want to this? >> i think america needs a confident leader. we'll sort out who is that going to be. are you a confident leader? >> can people in texas, right? >> yeah, ask people in texas. so a lot of people. that i talk to, because they
say, who are you thinking about? i say the field is empty. it's just empty. jeb is talking about it. i don't know if he could do it or not. i said. you know, i have to look at rick perry. >> what is the difference between rick perry 2012 and the rick perry we've all seen two years later? >> well, healthy for one thing. major back surgery six weeks before running for president, i don't recommend that and then the preparation side. i talked about this when we did your book. preparation to run for the highest office in the country in the most influential position in the world requires an extensive amount of preparation. whether it's domestic policy, whether it's monetary policy. whether it's foreign policy. i didn't not prepare. i was a bit arrogant. i was elected governor three
times. what could be harder than that? >> nothing prepares you for that. >> substantially. preparation is the key to it. and that's the thing i've been working on if r the last 22 months. spent time with henry kissinger yesterday. with the brookings institute folks. listening to both sides. coming up with concepts and ideas of how to deal with this myriad of issues that you face as the leader of the free world. and before that as a candidate. and you're going to be tested. and you're going to this be tested greatly. as you should be. >> and getting knocked down and beaten up. we've always talked about it. every time we give speeches to young people. we say what's the best thing that could happen to you? we always say, get the left hook that you never see coming. the next time you getted down,
you'll see it coming. >> speaking of getting knocked down, let me tell you, do not try to run through the governor's mansion. shannon o'neil, the lady with us -- >> she will knock you down. >> dead down. >> dead down, baby! dead down! >> all right. >> okay. that's why i was saying ux you know, it is a difficult process being a candidate. so one of the issues is finding somebody on the republican side. there seem to be several on the democratic side. kwo would want to? that's what i said. after what you've been through. would you want to do that? >> i spent my life in public service. it wasn't something i set out as a kid to do. being a pilot of the united states air force and shifting over to the state house and agriculture commissioner. now governor for almost 14 years, public service is something i am passionate about.
and i believe with all my heart if you put the right policies into place, tax policies, regulatory policies, legal policies, you have public schools that are accountable. the people in the country will respond in a powerful and positive way. you open up the energy industry. excel pipeline, canada, mexico, this country will explode economically. you put tax policies in place to really incentivize people to risk the capital, then you'll see energy prices continue to go down. the cost of power will continue to go down. and manufacturing will move back into this country at an unprecedented rate. >> energy prices are one of the main drivers for people. let's get specific. >> if rick perry were commander in chief, what would you do differently than barack obama to confront isis? >> i would have dealt with this substantially quicker from the spoint point of getting the
weaponry they need. keeping up an incessant air strike. >> more airstrikes than there have been? >> absolutely. >> and i would have them on the ground. i don't know how many. >> we more american forces? >> you would have our assets in place to be able to -- i mean, you cannot do the damage that needs to be done to isis just with a few air strikes and particularly you have to have assets on the ground. so heavy weaponry. consistent and incessant air strikes on them. and at that particular point in time you would be able to get them in the position. >> you were talking about united states military personnel on the ground. >> i'm talking about u.s. assets. >> assets are military personnel. ch. >> i understand that. i don't know about into syria. but certainly into that northern region where we had -- >> to fight isis's direct confrontation on the ground? >> listen, if you have them on
the ground, you have to realize there's probably going to be conflict. the idea to stand back here and make both sides happy. the left and the right. >> so are we talking like special ops? >> i'm talking about special ops. you're not going to put tens of thousands of troops in there? >> why not if they're a threat to the united states? >> because you don't have to. i think we have the special ops, whether it's delta force or the navy s.e.a.l.s, they're all quite capable of taking care of them. you have to be there working with the aviation assets. and peshmerga is a great force that has been overlooked. and we refuse to give them the heavy weaponry that we need. >> so that's really the divide. it's like americans don't want the the 82nd airborne in there, but special ops to guide -- >> yeah, because we think it's a movie. >> people keep talking ability
boots on the ground. what they should be talking about instead are eyes on the ground. people that understand it. figure out where the tarkts on. human intelligence spotters. it's what the government is talking about here. assets can tell us how to fight smarter, fight safer, avoid civilian deaths. americans support that. >> assets aren't necessarily forces either. it's on the human intelligence side. and we would have spent some of the billions of dollars in afghanistan on human intelligence or for that matter, buying what we needed rather than spending the billions of dollars on the ground in afghanistan, would we be in a better position today or a worse position? i'll suggest better. >> you also said in august, that it's a very real possibility that members of isis have crossed the texas border into this country, and yet the the real fear with isis, according to people who deal with isis in washington and the middle east
is that so many members have legitimate passports to get into this country undetected. why would they cross the the texas border? >> well, i think most americans understand that border is insecure. that individuals who not necessarily just isis, but countries that harbor terrorists, we know that pakistan, syria, individuals from those countries have been apprehended crossing the texas border coming into the united states, those are the ones we know about. how many have come in that we know about that don't have a passport, don't want a passport but have harm on their minds? those tr the individuals to worry about. that is exactly the reason that i deployed the national guard to our border. this administration refuses to do their constitutional duty and put the resources. for instance, the faa still does not allow for the use of drones
to fly up and down the united states border. >> why not? >> i can't answer that question. >> we'll let amazon type drones drop packages but we won't do it to protect the border? why not? the technology is so advanced today, we can tell exactly what activities these individuals are involved with. we send fast response teams the to make these apprehensions at that particular point in time, rather than the strategic fencing in the metropolitan areas. it works. t but we have hundred of miles of nothing but raw brutal country out on that mexican/u.s. aborter. >> and it could also save a lot of lives of people. it's a humanitarian thing to do as well zbrchlt governor perry. next stop, eastern europe. us, you. what do you think? >> we're saving you a seat. >> uk to give an energy speesh.
then the prime minister will get a good briefing on texas energy and the best way to send a message to putin that europe is not going to be pushed around, be bullied is for the united states to deliver liquefied natural gas to the multiple places. >> and all the people said amen. >> >> one of the best stories is texas. >> the texas are the european unions. >> i was going to say in texas, unemployment at 5.3% -- the biggest problem texas has right now is the possibility of labor shortage in areas like energy. >> the number one high-tech exports state in the nation. >> jake. >> governor, thank you so much. we appreciate it. as always. >> next, he's now taking aim at hollywood.
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this. ebay shareholder carl icahn was advocating it for months. ebay was resisting. now they're making the move after carl had calmed down ha little bit. the reason perhaps is they have new competition. apple pay. apple is getting into the mobile payment system. paypal is really the crowned jewel of this company. it's been growing exponentially. the shares are more than $7 billion. that means it's catching up to the legacy ebay auction business that has sales of $10 billion. they're saying we're going to go at it alone. and interestingly enough the current ceo of ebay is not going to be the ceo of either company. ebay shares are surging in the premarket. investors liked this move to split up. netflix, interestingly enough is
getting into the film business. it is going to be producing the crouching tiger hidden dragon sequel. coming out next august in select imax theaters and streams it's interesting to see them really evolve. remember when it was only mail-in dvds. now it's making its own programs. and this one put it in line for an oscar nomination. they have a pretty good track record with the awards. >> they do. sarah, thank you so much. >> >> so the weekend. i told you, this weekend, i got into the whole -- like all passwords and everything. i finally figured out to use the new paypal. i bought the sweater with my paypal. so the second i finally figure it out, now they're splitting up. but don't you forget your
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with us now, the pulitzer prize winning author, extraordinarily gifted. he's out with a new book, 13 days in september. remarkable story. mika, you were there. >> i was. >> and you have pictures of the chess match in your house. >> well, this was my dad and sadat begin playing chess. he hadn't played chess in 40 years, which might have been a mind game for a man who hadn't touched a chessboard in four decades, begin played surprisingly well. in the first game, brezinski
lost his team. he adjusted his strategy and won the second game. he fell behind in the third. by now word spread all over the camp about the match. at one point he appeared and seemed pleased. he just loves to play chess. just one thing. hamilton jordan, do me a favor and make sure begin wins, he remarks. otherwise he will be unbearable. >> an israeli lawyer said that he let begin win thinking it would put him in a better mood, but the opposite happened. >> yeah. he became more so than ever. he played at a higher level. >> oh my lord. >> talk about the fiery characters that were there. ft how did jimmy carter do it? >> it's unbelievable to think about these three men. to start with jimmy carter, and
a weak and unpopular president at the time. and sadit had been an assassin, a nazi collaborator. and begin a terrorist leaders. these were the three men who came to camp david and made peace. it's a remarkable story. >> tell us about the role of roselyn carter. it's very misunderstood. it's virtually unheard of. >> when i went down to the plains to meet them. roselyn was very, you know, modest about it. but it was her idea. camp david. carter had been planning an international summit in geneva. it wasn't going to work. it was a bad idea. nobody wanted to do it. he and roselyn went to camp david and he said why dent you bring them here? get them apart and talk to them
alen. so he sent out the invitations. and that's how camp david came about. she's the unacknowledged author of it. >> what else happened? what else did they do to use the setting to break down the tensions? >> you know, the idea was that they were going to break down tensions. it worked out differently. cabin fever set in. >> right. >> they only thought they were going to -- begin thought he would be there two or three days. even carter thought three or four. and by the end of the time, sadat and begin spent a fair amount of time in prison. both were feeling it. i think it worked in favor of getting the treaty to get home. >> what was the most surprising thing? what's the most shocking thing from the leaders? >> to me the most shocking
moment in the talks, begin spent his whole career trying to expand israel. and nobody in his delegation thought he would wind up surrendering sinai and withdrawing all the elements. on the last day when they supposedly had the agreement at hand, carter had written a side letter about jerusalem, which was too hot an issue in some ways to handle in the accords. and it had no legal standing. when he got the letter, he blew up. and he said you must withdraw this. and carter said he couldn't do that. and so he said the signing is off. the networks were alerted. the president was going to break in and -- >> so we're coming up on the end of the show. tell us how did carter bring him back? >> he had some photographs of the three men talking.
and he had inscribed them to begin's nine grandchildren. he took them over as a parting gesture. and he saw the name of his grandchild, and then his grandson and began to cry. and then carter began to weep. he said i hoped to say this is where we made peace in the middle east. and begin called him. >> please come back. >> wow. >> always enjoy being here. >> the daily rundown with luke russert is up next. when folks think about what they get from alaska, they think salmon and energy. but the energy bp produces up here creates something else as well: jobs all over america. engineering and innovation jobs. advanced safety systems & technology. shipping and manufacturing.
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