welcome back, everybody. let's get a check on the day ahead before we toss it to morning joe. president obama will deliver remarks on the ebola crisis that u.n. before returning to the white house this afternoon. and the man arrested in connection with the abduction of university of virginia student hannah graham is set to appear in a virginia court this morning. that's going to do it for "way too early." "morning joe" starts right now. >> no reasoning, no negotiation with this brand of evil. the only language understood by killers like this is the language of force. so, the united states of america will work with a broad coalition to dismantle this network of death. those who have joined isol should leave the battlefield while they can. those who continue to fight for a hateful cause will find
they're increasingly alone. for we will not succumb to threats and we will demonstrate that the future belongs to those who build, not those who destroy. the president addressing the u.n. yesterday. good morning, it's thursday, september 25th, welcome to "morning joe." my voice is not. no. >> she pulls it out of the closet every couple of weeks. i like it. >> jump in for me. >> you xwknow. >> "morning joe" economic analyst -- >> all right, very good. it's going to be a long morning. let me read these. the president at the u.n. vows to counter the extremist threat i ask the world to join. it talks about a muscular threat. we're going to be talking about that.
a lot to talk about with the president's speech. also willie geist bill simmons proving, once again, espn will buck tool the nfl whenever it suits them. i mean, what do you think? simmons -- obviously -- >> he was suspended for a lot longer than ray rice was. >> he was suspended a week longer for criticizing the nfl on how they're handling the domestic abuse policy and saying what a lot of sports fans believe. he's suspended longer than the guy who beats up and knocks out his fiancee. >> thank you, espn. >> couple things. my sister and brother-in-law work at espn, including bill simmons. >> i love everybody at espn. i love their management. i don't like this decision. >> that was just my disclaimer, but i will say that i think, espn has been very hard on the nfl. so, you know, from keith
olbermann has been destroying them. so, i think the bigger part of the suspension for bill simmons was the challenge he issued to his management that said, come and get me. i dare you to suspend me. i dare you to criticize me over that. >> it might be different. >> i don't think him criticizing the nfl alone was the problem because espn has been killing the nfl. >> and his language was ugly. >> he used some language that didn't help either. but it was the direct challenge. >> espn opened themselves up to this direct comparison. >> three weeks. are you kidding me? >> it appears they sided with the hugely unpopular commissioner over their hugely popular employee. >> they were saying that goodell, i mean, they were tough on goodell but bill simmons came out and said what we've said. that he's lying. he called him a liar and, you know -- >> don't do it. >> don't do what?
>> i dare you to suspend me for -- i dare you to suspend me for three years, with pay, please. you get all these people like jesse ventura, he does one show and they pay him $2 million. please, please suspend me with pay for a long time. >> the u.s. presses for the world to act is our top story today. >> we're going to get to that. >> what joe is doing now is a deep tease and he is going way too deep. >> i am encouraging full and toetdal suspension. >> we will play the tape. >> one other thing, so, i'm thinking about, i'm excited about the prospect of getting suspended with pay. >> with pay, right? that's all i want. >> you've been there, done that. >> do it, again. the president talking about this muscular response. it took me back to when i was growing up.
my dad was in every sport he and my brother were in he coached. he was a great football coach. he won more championships than i could count and trophies all over the place. when i went back and coaching high school football i asked my dad, what's the secret? and what he said was he never worried about filling the specific positions. he said, find talented kids who want to learn. inspire them and the positions are going to fill themselves. you'll find your shortstop and find your third baseman if you're coaching football, you'll find the safety. you know, this week, remember, we had eric schmidt on, they do the same thing at google. his strategy at google is you find good people. you don't freak out about, we need an engineer to fill this -- he said find good people. the slots will fill themselves. the projects will get done. magic will happen. it got me thinking. what applies to football and what applies to corporate culture also iapplies to nation
building. after spending trillions of dollars after hundreds of thousands of deaths, including thousands of americans, we find ourselves on the other side of epic failures in iraq and afghanistan. why? nobody was there to fill the positions. we didn't have jefferson and madison. we found out that america's sons and daughters were fighting and dying for karzai and malaki. this is tragic. it's also a teachable moment. we're talking about a muscular response moving forward and today the u.s. finds itself in another middle eaeast war and t are no heroes on the ground. listen to me, this is what we said in 2009 when we warned against tripling the number of troops in afghanistan for a guy named karzai. we all said it around this table. as we move forward today in september 2014, we have an ugly choice and it's between assad and isis. and any politician or diplomat who assures you there is a clean
third way in syria is lying. it's assad or isis. now, does that mean we bury our heads in the sand and we ignore terrorists who want to destroy american cities? no. but it does mean we go into this tragedy with our eyes wide open and with the high level of caution that this conflict requires and that the president is giving. so, take a deep breath before you start saying, we need to send even more troops into iraq, into syria. we have to be more sort of, we have to show caution because, you know what, as my dad would say or as eric schmidt would say, there are no good people to start this movement. >> and you talk about team building. it will be interesting to see how this coalition comes together. these 50 nations and what they really bring to the table because that could be the true test of the president's leadership. there is now no doubt president obama is fully committing the
nation to a new battle front in the long war against terrorism. as u.s. bombs rain down on syria, america's commander in chief spoke of the global threat posed by militants of the islamic state. well aware of the potential backlash from the muslim world, president obama was quick to highlight the help of the arab allies taking part in the fight. >> in this effort, we do not act alone. nor do we intend to send u.s. troops to occupy foreign lands. we will train and equip forces fighting against these terrorists on the ground, we will work to cut out their financing and to stop the flow of fighters into and out of the region and already over 40 nations have offered to join this coalition. today i ask the world to join in this effort. >> so, a big part of the money that they get, obviously, comes from oil refineries selling it on the black market. how does that work, steve? >> essentially isis captured syria's oil field and they
pumped out the crude and they have some crude refineries that we've been bombing the last few days. >> that's how we really, if you're talking to the president and we want to cut off the money flow. because that's what concerns me the most. if they scatter into civilian areas, fine. i don't want them to sit there and make millions and millions of dollars to plant a bomb. >> they had two sources of revenue. and the other source of revenue they had, of course, was ransom money from the hostages they were taking. you saw france would not pay ransom in the case of the poor guy in algeria who got his head cut off. >> that's really what we have to do, mika. reports also this morning that missiles are striking, again. >> well, the reports are that they struck a lesser known group with ties to al qaeda that killed at least one of the group's leaders. the new military mission marks a
sharp turn from the administration's planned pivot away from a decade of war in the middle east. it is an exacting position for the president who's embracing a new conflict while trying to keep the country from being defined by it. >> it's time for a broader negotiation in the region in which major powers address their differences directly, honestly and peacefully across the table from one another rather than through gun wielding proxies. i can promise you, america will remain engaged in the region and we are prepared to engage in that effort. i have made it clear that america will not base our entire foreign policy on reacting to terrorism. instead, we waged a focus campaign against al qaeda and its associated forces taking out their leaders, denying them the safe havens they rely on. >> so the president is walking a
tight rope here. >> he is, but he's squeezing now the islamic state isis financially with the resolution that was passed to the united nations and all countries will stop their citizens trying to get there and this is a much more cuseeffort. this is a new departure for that region to sign up to backing american air strikes. it represents this is a monster they may have helped create but a monster nonetheless and it will come back and bite them. the question about this coalition, how long does it last? the president is talking about a struggle and the pentagon saying we're in this for the long haul. after these initial rounds of air strikes, against saudis, how long does this coalition hold up? >> interestingly enough we just got word i guess last night that the british parliament is now going to vote on whether or not to join this coalition, which would, obviously, be a big deal.
bring europe into it. >> only on the iraq question. >> also interesting to note just a year ago at the president's u.n. general assembly speech, he said the world has not been this safe in my five years as president. fast forward one year and look where we are now. let's go to nbc news chief correspondent richard engel. richard, can you hear us? good morning. what's going on there? i don't think we have richard. we'll come back. we'll come back to richard. he's there -- >> it was a very compelling. >> behind the scenes look. let's move on and talk about bill simmons. what do you say? >> you want to do that now? >> can we do that now? >> we can wait and get back to you. >> global reaction, they iliked it. >> we'll get to more on that and with richard in just a moment. but, first, of course, we heard all at the top of the show
about bill simmons of espn. he made some very controversial 4u1ujuj about roger goodell, called him a liar and also challenged his network to do something about what he was saying. take a look. >> goodell, if he didn't know what was on that tape, he's a liar. i'm just saying it, he's lying. i think that dude's lying. if you put him up on a lie detector test, that guy would fail. for all the people that pretend they don't know [ bleep ], it really is, it's such [ bleep ]. for him to go into that press conference and pretend otherwise, i was so insulted. >> i'm going to go home and put up his picture and put up two candles and going to build an alter and put a lot of beads down. bow to it every day. he said what everybody is thinking. goodell is a liar. >> he should not have used foul language. >> you should not use foul langbalan
language because you never use foul language, mika. >> he also said in a different way exactly what espn reporting said a couple days ago. they put this whole report together. did he use language that espn had to do? >> threatened. >> but we didn't play the part where he challenges his employer. >> i want to hear that. >> is he being suspended for the language that he used, specifically those two words that he used twice or -- >> i'm glad you asked. >> here's the answer. this is espn's statement out last night. "every employee must be accountable to espn and those engaged in the editorial operation must also operate within espn's journalistic standards. we have worked hard to ensure that our recent nfl coverage has met that criteria. bill simmons did not meet those obligations in a recent podcast
and as a result we have suspended him for three weeks. >> they are suspending him for three weeks because of what he said on the pod cast. >> by the way, they only made him more of a hero than he already -- >> i know. >> number one trending topic #freesimmons. not just here, in the world. >> we know, willie that when espn was going to do that series that showed the ugly side of the nfl, the nfl called them up and said, if you want to be a part of our organization, if you want highlights, if you want to do, you know, i guess it was monday night football. then you're going to kill that series. and espn said, okay. here, what happened? did you think the nfl called again and said, hey, they called him a liar, that's crossing the line. first of all, simmons is an opinion guy and this is a podcast. and they fine him for, they
suspend him for three weeks, a week longer than ray rice gets suspended for beating up his fiancee and knocking her out. >> i don't have any reporting on it, but i suspect the nfl called about this one because bill simmons is so popular and his words carry so much weight that him calling goodell a liar d didn't make them happy. if you go back and watch "outside the lines." they have been destroying roger goodell. espn has a strong partnership with the nfl. >> hard to imagine that if he just said i don't believe roger goodell has been forthcoming or truthful, if the language was different. >> bill is a real guy. he talks the way we talk and he said what everyone is thinking. >> he said goodell was a liar. did we say goodell was a liar? no, but we said it sure seems that he's lying. sure seems like he's not telling the truth, but you suspend the
guy for a week longer than the guy that beat up his fiancee. >> three weeks versus two weeks -- >> help me understand this podcast. is this a loosy goosy conversation? >> it's like a radio show. it's like a radio show. >> have they used that kind of language before? >> i'm sure he has. >> it's really not the language. >> it doesened sound from that statement the language, the words themselves there. >> i will say again the part we didn't play did not sit well with espn. where he said, bring it on, i dare you to do something about this. >> all i have to say to that is, phil, bring it on. suspend me for three years with pay. four years. >> stop. >> four, four and a half years. i dare you to suspend me for four and a half years with pay. how great would that be? so, what do you think bill
simmons is doing this morning? >> i ink the he's watching his popularity go through the roof. >> he's calling his agent, hey y want to do another book. i have a lot of people, thank you, espn. can i just say, i love these guys. i love espn. i always have. they love us. it's sort of a mutual love fest. they come in and we all pat each other on the back and we love them. >> they have some of the best -- >> they have the best broadcasters. they're amazing. this was just a bad mistake on their part. the management. >> i think we're going to play the other part before we judge, okay. >> no, judge first ask questions later. >> one other note. bill simmons has a very good relationship with the very, very top of espn. they probably got in a room -- >> if you want to hear the other part because then you'll find out how to get suspended. >> we'll play that, next. still ahead on "morning joe" one of the president's most
trusted foreign policy advisors, did you know she also juggled jumping up and down on one foot. that's right, u.s. ambassador to the united nations samantha power will be here on set. she doesn't do that, but i'll see if she does. we'll ask. also up next, reports behind the scenes of glitchy software updates from apple. bad news. just days away from the iphone 6 coming out. >> apparently it bends. and if you sit on it, it will bend more. >> that's just not good. plus, michael "the situation" sorentino pleads not guilty of tax fraud. could the "jersey shore" star be headed to prison. before we get to that, bill karins. >> all eyes on jeter tonight in yankee stadium. nor'easter coming up to the coast and the question is, will they play the game or not? we're talking about 7:00 until 10:00 window. we need to get some dry weather in. rain from jersey and back through maryland and
pennsylvania including philadelphia. the rain is arriving in new york city over the next hour and be with us low most of the day. the worst of it will be new york city area around noon today and probably a one to two-hour delay and philadelphia minor delays this morning. as far as yankee stadium goes, let's time this out. we're starting at 7:00 a.m. the heavier rain is in the yellow and the reds. that moves up to the north. right around 7:00 p.m. or so, it should lighten up. so, in other words, a little soggy. the outfield grass will be wet, but i think they will get the game in. maybe starting a little bit later. but i do think they will play him. hopefully they will. ticket price 800 bucks and as much as 10,000 to sit behind the dugout. rest of the country, you're looking fabulous and all the great weather heads to the east coast as we go throughout the next couple days. more "morning joe" when we come back.
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so, willie you say bill simmons, he has good relationships with the guy he suspended. >> i think so. >> probably just a challenge. they didn't like the challenge. >> i guess you can understand that. >> you don't do that. you don't threaten people. >> he's like a hero now. >> puts them in a corner and makes them feel like they have to do something rash like suspend you. >> i dare you. i dare you, phil. i should dare you to supend me. >> how long would you like, again? be specific. >> phil, if you're a man, you will suspend me for at least three and a half to four years with pay. >> full benefits. >> can you imagine that? can you imagine being like jesse
ventura. okay, here's $2 million go back to minnesota. can you imagine that? >> it only happens to them. >> people get fired, right? and then they get to take their millions of dollars. >> pretty sweet deal. >> now he just runs around -- does he work? does jesse ventura work? >> i don't know. i don't know the answers to those questions. start with "usa today" apple users were up in arms wednesday when a faulty update disabled cell service and use of the touch i.d. fingerprint scan. i knew that wouldn't work. quickly pulled the update promising a major fix in the next few days, but the problems did not stop there. >> some blew up -- >> several users say both models of the iphone 6 actually bend when kept in their pants pockets. experts suspect the issue stems from the aluminum frame.
>> apple actually said, willie, this is not a problem for people who don't wear pants while using their iphone 6. it bends when you put it in your pants. >> haven't accounted for people who wear pants. >> don't wear pants. let's go eto the next story. >> some people are calling it benghazi gate. >> go ahead. let's move on to "usa today" the former south carolina state trooper who shot an unarmed man three weeks ago at a traffic stop will face criminal charges. the events as they unfolded, the video is disturbing. we ought to warn you, but the victim is expected to make a full recovery. >> can i see your license, please. get on the ground! get on the ground!
>> i just hand you my license. i grabbed my license right here. >> are you hit? >> i think so. i can't feel my leg. i don't know what happened. i just grabbed my license. why did you shoot me? >> well you dove head first back into your car. i'm sorry. >> i'm sorry. >> what the hell. >> oh, my gosh. >> the guy that got shot was apologizing. >> he was told to get his license. >> he goes to get his license. >> the officer has been charged with assault and battery of a highly aggravated nature. the victim lavar jones suffered an injury to his hip and is recovering, thank goodness, after a brief stay in the hospital. >> oh, my gosh. >> poor guy. >> the cop knew he messed up. he totally broke down and his
mind left him and he thought he was being attacked? that's crazy. he was completely wrong. >> "new york daily news" suspended cop killer eric matthew frein was spotted in the woods wednesday but leaving soiled diapers and cigarettes in his wake. tensions are high in the pocono mountains near the home of the suspect's family as a manhunt enters day 13. frein remains on the fbi's most wanted list after killing a state trooper and critically injuring another. a former cast member of the mtv series "jersey shore" could potentially be facing prison time. mike sorentino. >> he's the situation, right, willie? >> pleaded not guilty to tax evasion and federal prosecutors say he failed to properly pay taxes on $9 million. >> that happens. >> that is a lot of cash. but his brother, also charged with conspiracy and filing false
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>> the violent extremists who promote conflict by distorting fate who isolated themselves
offered destruction. our efforts to promote peace, however, cannot be limited to eliminating violent extremists. the most powerful weapon in our arsenal is the hope of human beings. the hope that the future belongs to those who will build and not destroy. the confidence can end and a new day can begin. there can be no reasoning, no negotiation with this brand of evil. the only language understood by killers like this is the language of force. so the united states of america will work with a broad coalition to dismantle this network of death. with us on set nbc news foreign affair correspondent and personal friend of george clooney -- >> you're here now. >> i dropped the name. >> you guys take the must reads. >> titled the evolution of a president. he writes, this was a president more grimly aware of the
difficulties of combatting terrorism than had been the new president who spoke in 2009. gone was the talk of moving beyond war in its place was talk of degrading and destroying the islamic terrorists. if his remarks on russia could have been uttered by president harry truman, this declaration could have been said by president george w. bush. >> this was a different president than spoke in cairo five years ago. less apologetic about america's role. we address our differences in the open space of democracy with respect for the rule of law. with the place of the people of every race and every religion. after nearly six years as president, obama said, i believe that this promise could help light the world. hz american exceptionalism. >> he has come a long way since
2009? >> in the cairo threat he talks about extremism, but much more reach out to the middle east and withdrawing of america's role in the region. you look at what he was saying america was back leading this region and we will lead the coalition and much more to countries in the region to make sure they get extremism under control themselves. a direct address to the clerics, to the young people to turn away from jihad. >> clearly, ahmanf the world closes in, a lot more effective than the world leads on it. how much will other countries really, truly in the end give or will we end up leading? that is still a concern. >> it is. unfortunately, a bit of credibility gap when it comes to the u.s. and middle east because of so many years of its involvement and its support to some of the autocrattic regimes. this may be one of the opportunities where the u.s. is speaking truthfully and really try to rally the countries.
people will have a hard time accepting it or believing it at face value. >> talk about the attack the other night and talk about the fascinating pilot who actually dropped bombs on isis targets. >> well, i think we're going to be hearing from the uae ambassador in a little bit. but it is apparent that one of the women who flew on that mission was a female pilot and that's extremely significant on many levels. one, in the region, in some countries like saudi arabia where women don't even drive. now you have women fighter pilots. that's extremely significant and extremely important. it sends a message across the arab world. the uae has been leading the world on this in terms of gender equality and women's rights in terms of the role they occupied public space and also now in the military. i think that's unprecedented for any arab country to be honest with you. >> ayman covers as closely as you do and you look at this alliance that president obama has pulled together. is it a real alliance?
is it something that can hold together? are these nations willing to be in it for the long haul or initial show of force, we're in it with you and will they be there one year from now, three years from now? >> i think time will tell. i think the issue is militarily this alliance is not significant. the u.s. could have done this militarily oniliti its own. a message, also, that is not being sent, which i think is also missing. there has to be pressure by the u.s. to get these countries to push towards good governance and that's something, again, you could ask the ambassador about. how do you ultimately change the, how do you get people to believe in hope back in the region that they can be a part of the society and a state that's functioning, not like what we see in the arab world. >> ayman, thank you so much. stay with us, if you can. still ahead, the president's isis plan finally gets the clinton stamp of approval. bill and hillary gets behind the
congress. parliament is being called back. >> right. >> that's exactly what the president needs to call congress back. and get them in the session and have them vote. >> congress needs to call itself back. up next, will more middle east nations sign on to the war the united arab emirates ambassador to the u.s. joins us, next. we'll be right back. hi! can i help you? i'm looking for a phone plan. it has to be a great one, and i don't compromise. ok, how about 10 gigs of data to share, unlimited talk and text,
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it's very important. gloat about yesterday -- >> i was told that i'm coming here to discuss the manchester city win yesterday. >> you are so not. >> here with us now united arab emirates yousef al otaiba. >> a local egyptian team. >> oh, really. >> all right, very good. >> so, ayman was just talking about the changing face of the middle east. you actually, the uae has not only -- >> changing face of fighter pilots. >> you guys have been out front from the very beginning here saying, hey, u.s., you don't have to go it alone. but, now, you have a female pilot that actually was dropping bombs on isis. >> it's funny. i got a lot of e-mails yesterday about the story and i finally got the approval. so, here it goes on "morning joe" i can officially confirm that the uae strike mission on monday night was led by fighter
pilot. she is fully qualified, highly trained combat ready pilot and she led the mission. actually, funny story is the u.s. tanker pilots called in for air refueling and asked for the uae mission and when they heard a female voice on the other side they paused for 20 seconds. >> there she eis. >> she's 35 years old. she actually has an undergraduate degree in english literatu literature, was among the first women to join the uae air force academy when it finally allowed female members. she graduated in 2008 and there she is. >> ayman, you were talking about how crazy this is. >> crazy in a good way. >> in a good way. >> yeah. saying in some countries women can't drive. you guys are like putting them in charge of fighting mission. >> as they should be. >> the whole campaign and coalition on isis and extremists in general boils down to ultimately this. do you want a model or a society
that allows women to become ministers in government, female fighter pilots, business executives, artists or do you want a society where if a woman doesn't cover up in public she is lashed or raped. this is ultimately what this breaks down to. as i watched the debate over the last few weeks over, you know, what arab states are going to step in. >> right. >> i think it's important for us moderate arabs, moderate muslims to step up and say this is a threat against us. this is more of a threat against us than it is against you. this is not just a threat to our countries. this is a threat to our way of life. >> willie? >> yousef, why is it so significant. you look at the uae on women's rights and then you talk about isis, but not just isis but saudi arabia and they can't drive as ayman points out. why has it taken so long to get there for other countries longer than it has for the uae?
>> i think some countries have different views and different societies and some of our friends in the region tend to be more conservative. we take a slightly more open minded pragmatic review and i am not trying to be derogatory. and, again, if i go back to isis, i think moderate arab countries need to step up and say more and do more. i heard a lot of comments. one of them was, there is no su such thing as moderate islam and moderate modera moderate. i find that argument offensive. there is a lot of us. we need to do more and we need to say more, but, if anything, the u.s. just joined our coalition against extremists. this is not the u.s. coalition. this is moderate arab coalition. >> it's about time, right? it's about time. >> and the fight against isis,
how much support do you think the arab countries, especially, are going to be able to bring to the table? >> we will bring whatever is necessary to defeat isis. i want to say something that i think very few people know. this campaign against isis is our sixth coalition of the united states. in the last 24 years, starting with desert storm in 1990, somalia, kosovo, libya and now isis. this is the uae sixth coalition with the united states. we are the only arab country to be in that position. so, i don't think it is a question of which, or which arab countries will step up. we will. but you can do this without us and we can do it without you. >> love it. >> always great to see you. thank you so much. >> thank you for coming and being such a good guest, i'm going to leave you with ricearoni the san francisco treat and liverpool mug. >> i could get arrested if i
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joining us now senior editor for national review remesh and writer for "dallas morning news" todd robertson. todd, i'll start with you. you found the president's u.n. speech powerful and persuasive. >> pervasive. >> the language of this speech really, i felt, departed from lot of the kind of mundane normal speeches that you hear at the united nations and the speeches that the president gives all over the country and all over the world. this time he used a kind of imagery and a choice of words
that really spoke to people and i felt resonated. the heart of darkness calling isis evil or the extremists evil and the network of death and the cancer of extremism. that's tough talk. >> we were talking last segment about what a big departure this was from his 2009 cairo speech. this was a lot more muscular and some said more lecturing to the middle east saying, hey, you guys have to clean up your act. what was your take away? >> i was pretty positive about the speech. i thought that there was a moral clarity about some of the challenges we face that's very necessary and it's a break not only from what obama was saying in 2009, but, really, in some ways what he was saying as recently as a month ago. if you think back to that california fund-raiser in august, the world is doing better than it looks on the nightly news and on social media. i think yesterday he provided a much more real iic look at the
orders. >> he has been criticized from a lot of, you can say conservative circles, mainly neocon circles for not doing enough and going into syria a year or two ago. he certainly has followed public opinion, hasn't he? conservative with a small c? >> well, you know, i guess in this case, it's a matter of leading from behind public opinion. the danger there is that you end up with sort of a half hearted intervention. and where i would fault the president i'm not sure that moral clarity he had in the speech is matched by a strategy that will achieve its goals because i keep hearing from experts whether they want us to do more or want us to do more, they're skeptical this is going to work. >> tod, that is the challenge, is it not, for this white house? we heard criticism from the
white house for years that there is no overarching strategy. we heard that from a lot of democratic strategists, as well. it's all ad hawk and oc and nev proactive. are we seeing a change here where the president is finally realizing that leading from behind, so to speak, is not a strategy for the united states of america moving forward? >> this really feels different to me. i think he's finally recognized that the world is crying for leadership. these are such uncertain times. you've got ebola and you've got russian aggression in the ukraine and just a general sense that things are falling apart and the world needs someone to step up and say, okay, now, here's what we're going to do. and there's no other person who can do that but the american president. >> so, ramesh, really briefly you have written at length, you know, i ranted and raved about it on this tv show, but you have written at length about the future of the conservative
movement. who is filling that void right now because most conservatives don't want it filled by john mccain and lindsey graham, i'm not knocking those guys. i know them both, i like them both, but that is not the republican view moving forward. who lies at the center, at the heart of the conservative foreign policy? >> yeah. you know, i think you have to say the republican party sort of all over the map on this one right now. sometimes if you look at individual republicans, it's hard to say. i would say that senator rubio is kind of the next generation version of the mccain/graham wing of the party. you've got, of course, rand paul arguing for a much more limited american role in the world and then you've got the vast majority of republicans somewhere in the middle between those two. but not really having a defined foreign policy vision of their own. >> no doubt about it. >> all right ramesh and tod roberson, thank you so much. coming up at the top of the hour, he called roger goodell a liar and then challenged his
employer to do something about it. well, they did. we'll hear more from the podcast that got bill simmons suspended. also ambassador to the united nations samantha power joins us on set. we'll be right back. are we still on for tomorrow? of promis tomorrow. are we still on for tomorrow? of promise. we can come back tomorrrow. and we promise to keep it that way.
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instagram video because the president saluted two marines with cup of coffee in his hand. this is the video. he gets off the helicopter and you see there he does one of those. it's not the first time obama has done something like this. remember that time he said the pledge of allegiance while holding a hot pocket? when he visited that aircraft carrier with a $5 foot long. the man never learns. by the way, the worst part of the whole thing, can we zoom in on that. they got his name wrong on the cup. secret service has set up a three-foot fence in front of the white house. this, of course, comes a day after the white house announced they are going to start locking the door. here's some safety measures the white house is taking. one, approaching people as they enter the white house and say, you cool? that's a policy. they're also installing a gold
fish. finally having macaulay culkin create a cutout to make it look like someone is always at home. >> you like that. welcome back to "morning joe." we get "morning joe" contributor editor john. >> i'll give you one of these. >> willie, we have so much to talk about here. bill simmons threatening his bosses. >> we're going to play it, finally. >> samantha power coming -- >> she's amazing. just say it. >> doesn't mince words. >> and you have some news from "new york post." >> it's an amazing story. proving why it's america's most entertaining public. i wish i just had time to read the whole thing. they're calling it groundhog gate. >> what happens? >> there's a crime, first of all, and it's always the cover
up that gets you in trouble. >> always the cover up. >> remember on february 2nd, mayor bill deblasio dropped groundhog chuck on groundhog day. >> oh, well. >> just dropped him. >> we're just learning now in -- >> look, look. >> hazmat gloves. >> what are those gloves? >> what are the gloves? oh, my. >> the other guy has bare hands. >> the woman there with the bare hands and deblasio has hazmat gloves on. >> may i get to the story? it's explosive. i'll read this graph from the story. a week after his owner dropped staten isla staten island chuck in a front, died of internal injuries and then the cover up began. >> what? >> staten island zoo officials went to great lengths to hide the death from the public keep
secret that chuck was actually charlotte, a female. it died. this is a statement from the mayor's office. we were unaware that staten island chuck had passed, but we're sorry to hear of the loss. >> did they put the animal down? >> it wasn't chuck, it was charlotte, charlotte was found dead in her enclosure one week later and they determined she died from acute internal injuries. >> he killed charlotte. okay, this is not just a cover up, this is a conspiracy. there's a whole, there's a web of lies being exposed here. >> and the gloves. >> the gloves are the best part. >> that's the greatest tragedy in all. a grown man would feel like he has to wear hazmat gloves. >> so the president yesterday speaking before the united nations where, as we move beyond "the new york post" and
groundhog charlotte, who many thought was groundhog chuck. let's talk about the president. john, we've all been commenting, such a long distance from 2009 in cairo and the nobel prize peace winner. >> yes. i say with a smile on my face. >> i thought it was a great speech. >> i didn't say it wasn't a great speech. i am just saying we've come a long way, baby. >> you think about, first of all, the language. everyone comment on this, but network of death using the phrase evil. remember when george w. bush declared the axis of evil. that was a big thing. president obama using it unequivocal unequivocally. this is a speech. you closed your eyes, you could have heard george w. bush giving or even john mccain. that kind of language, not that familiar to the president and then part of the speech was so striking the way he went and made the argument to the muslim world. you mentioned the cairo speech. when he came into office to repair the damage that was done with america's relationship and
reputation in the muslim world. here he was giving this tough love speech saying to the islamic world, look, this is a problem in your backyard and you need to deal with it. the moderate elements must rise up and take care of the extremist elements. it's not just our job, it's your job, too. it's a kind of tone and a kind of substance that, as you say, would not have heard from him six years ago. >> at the united nations, again, soundi sounding, like you said, a lot more like george w. bush in 2008 than barack obama in 2009. >> in this effort we do not act alone nor do we intend to send u.s. troops to occupy foreign lands. we will train and equip forces fighting against these terrorists on the ground, we will work to cut off their financing and to stop the flow of fighters into and out of the region. and already over 40 nations have offered to join this coalition. today i ask the world to join in this effort. >> i don't think that sounds
like -- >> that one doesn't sound like george bush. there were other parts that don't sound like george bush. don't call our staff out, they do what they can do. >> i think the whole speech is not like george bush. if you listen to bush's second inaugural. america's role in promoting democracy around the world, particularly in the middle east. the line about people who live in terror. we will be there standing beside you. it's not exactly, you know, this is, the second inaugural at the top. but the doctrine of bush's years at that time is we will be ethe big democracy promoters around the world. we will stand there. >> '06, '07, '08. >> you have to do it. we have to rally coalitions. this is not america is going to impose these things by use of force on other areas of the world. other areas of the world will do and we will lead the coalition. >> second term bush, not first term bush. >> no reasoning, no negotiating with this brand of evil. the only language understood by
killers like this is the language of force. so the united states of america will work with a broad coalition to dismantle this network of death. those who have joined isol should leave the battlefield while they can. those who continue to fight for a hateful cause will find they're increasingly alone. for we will not succumb to threats and we will demonstrate that the future belongs to those who build, not those who destroy. >> network of death, evil, find themselves destroyed. i apologize to the president. willie, that wasn't george w. bush, that was more dick cheney. >> yeah. cheney or bush second term. i think, i said it last hour, it's remarkable to listen to him, even one year ago. forget george bush in 2006, 2007, 2002008. ev talking about the world is a
safer place than it was a year ago. >> that's george bush by the first five years in his presidency, the realities where he overreach. this is barack obama, dare i say it, chasant by the realities of the first five or six years learning that maybe he overreacted to bush's reaction to 9/11. >> and dealing with the harsh realities of the situation he's been dealt. he understands now that this is a serious threat and the rhetoric of the last few years doesn't apply any more and now it's about american force. he said that pretty explicitly. >> he faces a complicated situation today than george w. bush did in 2000 three. >> many of his critics would say, though, to be fair, he made the situation more complicated. >> no, i actually -- >> in 2014 because what he did or did not do in '09, '10 '11, '12. we had dexter filcons here.
and we need to look at '09, '10, '11, as well, to figure out how george w. bush and barack obama didn't play their hands perfectly. but this is a brave new world and a frightening world and presidents are going to overreact one way or the other sometimes. >> i'll say the other thing, it's natural to focus on the parts of the speech about isol because of what's going on in syria. but the part of the speech about russia. >> not fooling around. >> the stance, the tone of it and the substance of it tougher on putin than he has been in any circumstance i can remember since the ukrainian crisis broke out. it was a very, it was a pugnacious speech. notably. >> it has the credibility of all the very, very strong discipline he has put in place that some might have been kind of criticizing him over the past couple weeks or months, we have
to get in there. he has been very methodical and has worked to get other countries involved and he can come there and probably say, we're going to nail these guys. i think. i don't think it looks like any former president we've seen. >> doesn't look like george bush. >> no, it didn't. i think it looked like president bush dealing with reality in a way that is very effective. >> you can put your rhetorical arms down and admit that because i've certainly at the top of the show and for the past several weeks has been praising president obama for what he is doing right. you certainly can admit that george w. bush overreacted in some ways to the horrors of 9/11 and that barack obama in some ways overreacted to george w. bush's overreactions. >> i guess. but i think what i saw yesterday was a president doing exactly what he needs to do. >> facing reality. as george w. bush had to face in '07 and '08. >> but it is amazing, though, if you think about the way barack obama has been interpreted by the right and left.
either side wanted to acknowledge what he actually is. this continuation largely of bush policies whether it's been on drone strikes, dealing with the war on terror broadly defined has been a true line of the obama administration. the left doesn't want to admit that he's more bush-like than he is and the right doesn't want to admit he's more bush-like than he is. neither side wants to acknowledge. the right wants to call him a hippy pacifist and neither side sees the guy for what he really is. >> they're both wrong and it's absolute insane for the left to attack george w. bush for his policies and not look at how barack obama -- you're right. you're exactly right. for right wingers to say, oh, this guy is weak and he is this and he's a that. you look at the drone strikes and you look at he's made, willie, some tough decisions. some decisions where i think he's gone too far. no, you know what he's done. he's followed public opinion. you can criticize him for that
and praise him for that but he's followed public opinion. he has been on foreign policy where the american people have been. >> in this case, they have been way out in front of him if you look at the polls from a few weeks ago where 75% -- >> after the beheadings. that is the one time they darted way out in front of him. let's see what the next wave of polls look like. let's move on. we're going to talk to samantha power in just a few minutes about all of this. we were talking about bill simmons and bill simmons the wildly popular espn columnist, host of podcast, et cetera, suspended by espn after calling roger goodell a liar knowing what he knew about the ray rice elevator video. here's a bit of the podcast. >> if goodell didn't know what was on that tape, he's lying. i think he's lying. you put him up on a lie detector test, that guy would fail.
to pretend they didn't know is such [ bleep ], it really is. it's such [ bleep ], for him to go in that press conference and say otherwise, i was so insulted. >> i hope someone calls me and e-mails me and says i'm in trouble. if one person says that to me, i'm going public. you leave me alone. i can talk about that in my podcast. please, call me and say i'm in trouble. i dare you. >> and they did. he's suspended for three weeks, not allowed to go on twitter. espn wrote on a statement, every employee must be accountable to espn and those engaged in our editorial operateerations must meet our journalistic standards. bill simmons did not meet those obligations in a recent podcast, as a result, we have suspended him for three weeks. >> willie, you said, in fact, what a lot of people over there are saying. whether it's keith olbermann who
said at one point the nfl is enabling assaults on women. >> what? are you not supposed to curse? is that it? >> the argument of bill simmons crossing the nfl is what led to the suspension doesn't really hold water because "outside the lines" on friday put the report of ray rice -- >> why did he get suspended? not because he called him a liar. is it the challenge? >> my suspension is it had more to do with the challenge to management. we can't have you calling us out and not do anything about it. >> are they going to call you after the show, joe, because you gave a challenge for management. >> for four and a half years if you're a man you would suspend me ewith pay for four and a half years. >> first is that bill simmons is the best i can tell. i really like bill simmons. >> we love bill simmons. >> best i can tell, he's a
pundit, opinioniator. if you're espn and hire somebody to do that. he's not a reporter, you know, you hire opinionators and the second thing -- >> and by the way, you go out there sometimes. sometimes we say things here where afterwards we go -- oh, i wish i hadn't said that. but that's what we get paid to do. what comes to mind, start a conversation, provoke a conversation. >> indeed. here's the second thing -- >> keep talking so your guests can't get a word in. because i'm really good at that and if they don't like that, you guys can suspend me for four and a half years. >> here's the second thing, okay, here's the second thing, the worst part for espn, given that statement about their journalistic standard, it was after simmons did the podcast that they wrote something praising simmons for doing what he did.
last night after espn suspended him, they pulled the column down off -- >> say that again. >> espn wrote something praising simmons for taking on goodell in this way and last night after they suspended him they pulled the column. >> you can't do that. >> i'll say one of the great rules of journalism, if you're in a position where you have to pull your column down, you are probably on the wrong side of the issue. and that, i got to say, that's pretty much signed, sealed delivered. >> the only thing they cannot say is the f-bomb. but they didn't say that. >> the problem is simmons does that all the time and the podcasts have gone on for years with him saying all kinds of things and no one had a problem with it. >> now it's the strike me down, you only make me stronger. bill simmons is a greater hero than he ever was. the h the #freesimmons. >> they're brilliant over there.
they knew that. i'm just wondering, willie, if they called him in and said, hey, buddy, we have to do this, you threatened us. they're brilliant at espn. they had to know they would turn him into a hero eand we would be talking about it and sell more books and more people would listen to his podcasts. >> the blog is back up now. >> they actually did him a favor. >> no question about it. >> they're smart enough to know that, too, right? >> most of them are pretty smart over there. he was already an incredibly popular guy and now i think he's popular beyond the scope of sports. i mean lena was tweeting about him last night. >> the blog was back up. they say it was tech issues. >> so, anyway, speaking my older boys like big "star wars" fans. jack 6 years old, we sat there, don't usually have time to do much, we sat there and watched "empire strikes back" this past
weekend which is extraordinary and yesterday afternoon i sat there and i watched "return of the jeddi" with him. it's so exciting for a 6-year-old to see this all again. >> like the ewalks. >> 5-year-old george loves it. 6 is good. 5 the emperor is a little scary for george. >> little early. but 6. a couple times he was covering his eyes. you say that strike me down. but my favorite line which i use around the office all the time. and we saw it yesterday at the end of "return of the jedi" so be it. >> so, the best line, harrison ford and he shoots up that controlled console where the guy is talking and says, boring conversation anyway. >> that's good. >> but the best conversation from the entire series is right before he's being frozen and he says -- the best line is when
harrison ford turns to princess leah and says, i love you and he says, i know. it's great stuff. we need to play this. you haven't seen any of them, have you? >> i tried and it's just, it's so horrifically -- >> in a bubble you are. >> mika is trying to force choke you right now to shut you up. >> is that what they do? >> dart can choke you without touching you. still ahead on "morning joe" -- >> you like "star wars." we'll speak to the new president of the nation's largest teacher union -- >> it's going to be good. >> going to be really good. are we prepared for another terror attack on u.s. soil? ray kelly is our guest. a blue print to fight extremists militants?
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the last hour i promised that samantha power would juggle on one foot and then last segment i promised she would give her favorite "star wars" line. >> i like some of the comments she made recently about vladimir putin. >> mika is such a big fan of yours. >> great to have you here samantha power. >> thank you for being with us. we were talking about the president's speech yesterday at the u.n. far different than cairo in 2009, but the world has changed pretty adramatically esince then, hasn't it?
>> the threats of today are totally meant for this institution in far as no one country can deal with them alone. but the countries that comprise this institution have to step up. >> there was a real challenge, wasn't there? >> yeah. come on. >> and talk about what's happened across the middle east and some of the countries that, obviously, frustrated americans and people in your position. turkey, qatar is there but there have been some concerns. do we think we're going to have a more unified front against isis as we move forward? >> well, the horrors of isol, i think, should unite all of those countries and should cause them to put some of the practices that have troubled us or concerned us behind them. the test of this moment is whether that threat is a uniter. >> is turkey moving closer? >> i think so. certainly. the message to us this week is now we have our hostages. talked to us, what are the
requirements, how can we contribute and, of course, they have more than a million people inside their border already. hundreds of thousands more who could follow because of isol's role in north syria. >> as you speak to the world and the president really tries to reach out and get collective action, but, also, try to get the country behind an engagement that i'm sure weighs heavy on their mind, as much as it does his. what do you make of hamid karzai's bitter comments and how can we not look at that and say, why would we even ever bother to get engaged, again? why would we? >> i've become a diplomat, i would say not ideal. >> very good. >> not ideal. >> but i think the larger point is we have interests. we have our national security that we need to look out for here. we rely on partners. it's horrible when somebody is as ungrateful as he revealed himself to be and has
successively now in the twilight of his presidency. we're moving on there. new leadership and we ehave the hope for a new beginning. but when it comes to the effort against isol, we have these national security imperatives for ourselves that are at stake here and i think you see from the overwhelming support, bipartisan support for the effort so far that that message is getting through. and because isol grows out of al qaeda, possesses the expansionist agenda, beheads americans and others including a french tourist, of course, yesterday just heartbreaking. i think the american people understand and also understand it is not just a military effort. that is what yesterday was about when the president convened all these countries. we had 104 co-sponsors for this resolution and that is people committing and they have to follow through to counterviolent extremism and stop -- >> in so many different ways you can look at the president's speech and just sense it's different from what's gone before. the french had the reaction to the kidnapping and such a
tragic, tragic story. but the french even breaking a tradition of paying the ransom and funding isis. they just refuse to do it. >> that's exactly what i was going to ask you, ambassador power. wh what is the response from europe? i know parliament is coming back tomorrow to hold a vote on whether to support the coalition in iraq, not necessarily syria. what are you hearing from france? what are you hearing from jurpany? will they be on board with this? >> well, when the president chaired this meeting yesterday on foreign terrorist fighters, more than 50 countries contributed and you heard an overwhelming support from the international community from all quarters for the effort against isol. it was a very dramatic moment because we had just learned of the killing of the french hostage and president obama was able right there before the world to pay his respects to president elan and what you heard was far from in the face of what isol had said.
remember, the tourist was killed because france didn't stop its air strikes in iraq allegedly. that was their claim. the president said we will not be deterred. we will not be deterred. we will step up. >> you feel like europe is with us on this? >> i feel france and the united kingdom are very eager to get there. contribution from denmark, germany and people are contributing in all kind of ways and yesterday's resolution, again, a reminder and the effort is a reminder that the financing is key, again, the dealing with the clerics and bringing the communities into this conversation so you spot people. you prevent them from becoming a terrorist before you actually have to take them out on the battlefield. prevented foreign terrorist fighter is more effective than allowing them to get to the battlefield and try to deal with them later. >> ayman. >> we heard from the leadership of this country that isis can't be defeated militarily, that you have to fight the ideeology.
>> what effort is the u.s. doing to try to defeat that ideology. there is a concern that you might be returning to supporting autocrattic regimes. but is that fair criticism? >> you heard president obama talk yesterday about how societies, where civil society can flourish. societies where people are able to express themselves are much harder for terrorist groups to get traction and to win adherence. so, president has made clear that expanded freedom is the better way to get the terrorist issue than repression. but you see governments, of course, invoking terrorism as a reason to do what they would have done otherwise. we have be very careful about that. that's certainly going to be a topic. >> ambassador samantha power, thank you so much. >> thank you. >> good luck. still ahead, long-time senator pat roberts is in the fight for his political life as he faces an unlikely independent challenger. his path to victory in our latest installment of state supply.
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city commissioner and president of risk management services ssy kelly. great to have you here. >> great to be here. >> bill bratton said this is the most dangerous time since 9/11, would you agree? >> i would agree. isis is a game changer and they have resources and apparently with the beheading of the french touri tourist, it looks like it's metastasizing it other places. we thought they were basically consolidating in syria and iraq, but this might be a demonstration of their reach. >> what about concerns in the united states? is there a fear that may be home-grown terrorists that may do this in america? >> absolutely. we have to be concerned about someone acting as a sympathizer to isis. we had several of them plotting here in new york city, thank god it hasn't happened. but, it certainly is a possibility. now, new york is doing more than any other city probably in the
world to protect itself. but we're an open society. there's only so much that you can do. so, the risk is significant. >> i know you're not the commissioner any more, i understand that, but, surely, you talked to some of your old friends in the department. are there specific threats that they're aware of to new york city because the white house has stopped just short of describing anything specific, other than to say there may be american citizens traveling back with passports into the country? >> to the best of my knowledge, there are no specific threats. but there seldom are. you know, intelligence is confusing, it's contradictory. so, you don't get that nice, wrapped package of a threat. but it's just logical to assume that new york is a target. a lot of people see it as the capital of the world and 16 plots against new york city since 9/11. two successful major attacks against the city. so, anything here, of course, could be seen as a feather in their cap. so, it's just logical to assume
that new york is high on the target list. >> when you talk about the plots that have been caught, what perspective can you give us about how serious they were? >> there were 16 plots that were very serious. the fellow that was going to blow himself up on the subway. we have times square bomber who basically got under the radar screen. nobody knew him. he dumbed down his formula and that's the reason why the bomb didn't go off. so, these are serious threats. some of them were stings by the fbi that were very well done. but i think what's significant here is the number. 16, i think want to come here. we were lucky, no question about it. we were lucky on some of them. >> right now when you look at the threat assessment towards the united states. i had friends ask me if they should be afraid of isis here in the u.s. how do you reassure americans that life can go on at the same time protecting civil liberties
and making sure this threat is addressed adequately? >> this is a time of concern and i hope americans and new yorkers are reassured of everything that is being done here. as i said, there's no guarantees. we live in a dangerous world. and you can see someone acting in some sort of sympathetic fashion to support isis. i think the announcement of a caliphate has been the tremendous boom to recruitment. so, the people, the number is now estimated, i've seen it estimated almost 50,000. you know, went from 10,000 all of a sudden to 31,500. now 50,000. something is happening there. people are being marshalled and it's cause for concern. >> ray kelly, thank you so much. good to have you on the show today. >> great to have you here. up next, a ballot brawl in high-stakes politics. >> he comes on even though we're competition with his son. >> that's true, we are. >> that's pretty good.
>> that's the kind of guy i am. >> do you watch "morning joe"? >> yes. but i do dvr. let the record show. >> he is only a block away. nice of you to come over. we're going to check in with casey hunt for the latest on pat roberts bid for re-election getting complicated. then, has the obama administration failed our nation's school systems? we'll speak to the national l d leader education system. we'll be right back. she inspires you.
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the people of kansas elected me to go to the u.s. senate. do you understand it is in washington? my home is dodge city and i'm proud of it. mr. orman. >> well, i suspect, senator, i've been dodge city more this year than you have. >> how many times? >> and i've been there four times. >> five? >> four. >> i've been about seven, so, you're wrong on that. that was one to watch. little salty between those two gentlemen going back and forth. joining us now from independence, kansas, political correspondent casey hunt. so, casey, fill us in because this is going back and forth between roberts and orman. >> hey, we didn't expect to be in kansas during this mid-term election but suddenly control of the senate could hinge on senator pat roberts.
>> dodge city is my home and i'm proud of it and i'm a fourth generation cakansan. >> welcome to kansas. >> this week he's bringing in reinforcements, hosting john mccain and campaigning with bob dole, a home state legend. >> we need a steady hand because the world's on fire. >> roberts is trying to convince his neighbors that he hasn't gone washington as he fights an unexpected challenge from independent businessman greg orman. >> we have to change course because our country is headed for national socialism and that's not right. it's changing our culture. it's changing what we eare all about. >> reporter: roberts was first elected more than three decades ago. he has a home outside washington and it's been years since he faced a tough election back
home. this is the house where pat roberts says he lives when he's in kansas, but questions about how often he is actually here. roberts finds himself neck and neck with orman after chad taylor dropped out of the race. chris kobach tried to force taylor to stay on the ballot, but the kansas supreme court disagreed. >> the secretary of state is like the referee at the football game. it's a hotly contested election. if voters think i'm not making the calls fairly, they can vote against me. >> reporter: orman is a danger to roberts because he's striking a cord with independence and with voters who are simply fed up. >> washington's broken. we eare sending the worst to both parties there. bitter partisans who care about than they do about their own problems. >> reporter: how do you feel about seeing senator roberts? are you a supporter? >> i was a supporter all along and at the present time i'm looking at his opposition. >> reporter: roberts is trying to turn the race into a
traditional partisan fight painting orman as a democrat in disguise. >> you go down the issues. he's for obama care, all right. he's for amnesty, okay. and then you go down the second amendment. all of those issues indicate that he's democrat and not republican. >> reporter: national democrats are chairing orman on, but there are no guarantees. he refuses to say which party he'll support in the senate and says he might even switch sides if he's not happy. >> so, if they are running the senate for partisan gain, if they are running it like a dictatorship and i would agree with some of the criticism that's what we've seen out of the senate today, we could change our allegiances and ultimately caucus with the other party. >> so, because the fight for control of the senate is so close, the ultimate outcome could come down to the political whims of greg orman who at this point is a political unknown. >> it's unbelievable. >> kasie, i'm just curious. this is kind of a big surprise to the republican party. obviously, the national senate
committee has someone out there now trying to save pat roberts and traditional democrat. do they have enough time to do that or kind of actually fighting an uphill battle with this little time left on the calendar? >> you know, they really do have a serious time crunch. you're already seeing them try to roll out the sort of traditional steps that a campaign like this would take. that they probably would have preferred to start months ago. sort of digging into the opposition research files. orman is now having to deal with attacks on his business record. he is a very wealthy man and has ties to a former goldman sachs person who is now serving time for insider trading. all of that is just starting to come out now. whether it is enough for them to make a significant dent in this idea of voters and view orman as this sort of independent. i'm not sure there is enough time for them to be able to make that definition before election day. >> all right, kasie hunt, thank you so much. still ahead, legendary musician quincy jones is here with the remarkable story of his
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here with us now, president of the national education association, lilly escleson garcia. thomas roberts, steve rattner. i got the phonics correct this time. >> you did. >> she's a school secretary and she's in salt lake and she's really excited she's on "morning joe." she was hyperventilating. you had some harsh words for arne duncan, can i say it that way. >> harsh and also calling for his job. you said, quote, arne duncan is a very nice man. that does not excuse the fact he's wrong, wrong, wrong, on everything he believes on reform. i love when he talks about affordable college. it's not that he's in the pocket of the coke brothers and wants to destroy public school, but he has drunk the kool-aid and i
believe i will go down to my last breath telling people the most corrupting influence today is the high-stakes consequence for not cutting the cut score on a standardized test. >> i'll stop you when i disagree. because it is -- you're not going to meet a nicer person. he really wants to do the right thing. i don't know if he's ever been in front of 39 fifth graders the way i have. 20 years. and what we're seeing now is the corruption, what it means to teach them, what it means to learn. in school after school, they're being pressured. here's a standardized test of some size or another. if you don't get that cut score, you're fired, you get a bonus. >> obviously, the reason why we started to figure out how to have a better way to measure student's success and teacher's success and school's success is
because of the failure of public education -- >> wrong, wrong, wrong. >> you know, you can sit there and say that, let me just say, you look like a very nice person, i'm sure. >> i'm a very nice person -- >> when you talk about your sister, it makes me so happy and blah blah blah. but, that said, public schools have fallen behind the rest of the world. we can go one category after another. >> so do we agree -- >> it's the kool-aid that we're drinking. >> there's no kool-aid. go to harlem. go across the country. don't talk -- you can't just come on here and ignore the plight of working class americans and those in poverty that have horrific circumstances at their schools. you can't just wish that away magically with a smile. >> and nobody did that, nice drama. nobody did that. >> you're doing that right now. >> wait, okay. >> namasta. here's what we know works. what we know works is when you
eppower the people in that school. where i taught in my school -- i started in the '80s. who would have thought the reagan years were the golden years of education. they underfunded us but at least they let us do our jobs. say to my kids during current events, what are we going to do, should we write a letter to the editor, organize a blood drive. i was able to do project-based learning -- >> is arne not doing that now? >> what we're seeing is -- where's the test, where's the cut score, who gets punished. all in supposed service to better data and we're getting corrupted data. >> the point i was trying to get to, and don't say i'm drinking the kool-aid because i think we all have an investment in making sure our public schools work. >> absolutely. >> if we don't measure by the scores, how do we measure? how do we move beyond the failures of the past 50 years. >> good question. is what do we measure. how do we measure what matters
and how do we use good data. the only thing folks haven't really taught, they say look at standardized tests. that's all they could come up with. we're going out there and seeing schools that have said, you know what, enough already with this standardized stuff. what we're going to do is measure how many of our minority kids are in an ap class. how many of them are taking gifted and talented classes. where's the gap there. are they in a pipeline to something better that will put them into higher education. because that cut score doesn't do it. people think it means something, but it doesn't. that's what we want to measure. how many kids got scholarships? how many kids are in that pipeline that will lead them to something better. >> on the other side of the debate, there are a lot of people that are school reformers that look at what happens in places like atlanta, where you actually have corruption. you have people so obsessed about the scores that you have people fixing the scores in their own school districts.
>> right, you're not -- i don't think you're going to ignore the fact that the u.s., as joe said earlier, has fallen further and further behind other developed countries. if you look at the psa test, you get an answer. i don't think you're blaming all that on the institution of common core. >> the standards are -- >> you're not blaming all that and arne duncan. i think what joe is trying to say is there are other problems in the school system. >> but i'm glad you brought up psa because if you were to look at the stop -- if you were to look at the top countries, singapore, finland, they're not doing anything with privatization, standardization, deprofessionalization. there is no teach for finland. what they're doing makes sense. that's what i want to do. i want to do what they're doing. >> we used to be here on psa and now we're here on psa. >> actually, we're about the same. would moved? finland moved. now they're at the top. i want to do what they're doing.
>> steve, what -- >> right, finland moving is the same as saying we moved. the fact is, there is a gap between us and these other countries that didn't always exist. >> because of what they're doing. >> okay, so you're blaming arne duncan for the fact that we are falling further and further behind these other countries. >> i'm saying people think something called reform is one more standardized test, hit your number or get punished. that's what's corrupting. finland doesn't do it. >> we need only about three hours with you. where you based? >> i'm in d.c. now. >> so you can just -- when we're in d.c. -- i'm serious, we need to have a conversation with this. and thank your sister for watching. coming up in our next hour, social media come, to the defense of bill simmons. after espn suspended the commentator for calling roger
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along with me. >> i ask the world to join, and a muscular threat. a lot to talk about with the president's speech. also, willie geist. bill simmons proving once again espn will buckle to the nfl whenever it suits them. i mean, what do you think. obviously -- >> he was suspended for a lot longer than ray rice was. a week longer for criticizing the nfl and how they're handling the domestic abuse policy. saying what a lot of sports fans believe. he's suspended longer than the guy who beats up and knocks out his fiance. thank you, espn. >> my sister and brother-in-law work at espn. i have a lot of friends at espn including bill simmens. >> we love -- i love everybody
at espn. their management, i love their management. i don't like this decision. >> that was just my disclaimer. i will say espn has been very hard on the nfl. >> right. >> keith olbermann has been destroying them. espn's been very hard on the nfl on this. so i think the bigger part of the suspension for bill simmons was the challenge he issued to his management that said come and get me. i dare you to suspend me. so we'll play some of that. >> it might be different. >> i don't think him criticizing the nfl alone was the problem because -- >> his language was ugly. >> he used some language that didn't help either. >> espn opened themselves up to this direct comparison. >> absolutely. it appears now to the outside -- >> are you kidding me? >> it appears they've sided with the hugely unpopular commissioner over their hugely popular employee. >> they were saying that
goodell -- but you know what, bill simmons came out and said what -- well what we've said. that he's lying. he called him a liar. and, you know -- >> what? >> don't do it. >> don't do what? >> i dare you to suspend me for three -- >> joe. >> no, i dare you to suspend me for three years. with pay, please. see, that's the thing. you get all these people like jesse ventura. you're not going to like my -- he does one show, they pay him $2 million. please, please, suspend me. with pay. for a long time. >> the u.s. presses for the world to act is our top story today. what joe is doing now is a deep tease. he's going way too deep. >> but i am encouraging full and total suspension for years. i'm excited about the prospect of getting suspended with pay.
with pay, right? that's all i want. >> you've been there, done that, stop. >> it was awesome, do it again. >> so anyway, the president. talking about this muscular respon response. it took me back to when i was growing up. my dad, he was -- every sport, my brother and i were in, he coached. and he was a great football coach. he won more championships than i can count. we had trophies all over the place. so when i went back and i was coaching high school football, i asked my dad, like, what's the secret. and what he said was he never worried about filling the specific positions. he said find talented kids who want to learn. inspire them. and the positions are going to fill themselves. you'll find your shortstop. if you're coaching football, you'll find the safety. and you know, this week, remember, we had eric schmidt on. he said they do the same thing at google. you find good people. you don't freak out about -- he said find good people. the slots will fill themselves.
the projects will get done. magic will happen. it got me thinking. football. what applies to corporate culture also applies to nation building. after spending trillion, of dollars, after hundreds of thousands of deaths, we find ourselves on the other side of epic failures in iraq and afghanistan. why? >> nobody was there to fill the positions. we didn't have jefferson and madison. we found out that america's sons and daughters were fighting and dying for karzai and maliki. it's also a teachable moment. we're talking about a muscular response moving forward. today, the u.s. finds itself in another mideast war. there are no heroes on the ground. listen to me because this is what we were saying in 2009 when we warned against tripling the
number of troops in afghanistan for a guy name karzai. we all said it around this table. as we move forward today in september 2014, we have an ugly choice. it's between assad and isis. and any politician or diplomat who assures you there's a clean third way in syria is lying. it's assad or isis. does that mean we bury our heads in the sand and we ignore terrorists who want to destroy american cities? no. but it does mean we go into that trj did i with our eyes wide open. with the high level that this conflict requires and that the president is giving. so take a deep breath. before you start saying we need to send more troops in, we need to be more assertive, no, we have to show caution. as my dad would say, or as eric schmidt would say. there are no good people. >> you talk about team building.
it will be interesting to see how this coalition comes together. these 50 nations. and what they really bring to the table. because that could be the true test of the president's leadership. there is now no doubt president obama's fully committing the nation to a new battle front in the long war against terrorism. as u.s. bombs rain down on syria. the global threat posed by militants of the islamic state. president obama was quick to highlight the help of the arab allies taking part in the fight. >> in this effort, we do not act alone. nor do we intend to send u.s. troops to occupy foreign lands. we will train and equip forces fighting against these terrorists on the ground. to stop the flow of fighters into and out of the region. already, over 40 nations have offered to join this coalition.
today, i ask the world to join in this effort. >> so a big part of the money that they get obviously comes from oil refinery, selling it on the black market. >> so essentially they captured syria's oil fields. they have some fairly crude, no pun intended, refineries. which we've been bombing the last few days. >> if we want to cut off the money flow -- because that's what concerned me the most. if they scatter into civilian areas, fine. i don't want them to sit there and make millions and millions of dollars to go out and buy a nuclear bomb. >> one was the oil fields, and we're bombing them. trying to cut it off. the other source of revenue of course was ransom money from the hostages they were taking. you saw france would not pay ransom in the case of the poor guy who got his head cut off. so hopefully now europe will stop paying ransom and cut off
the receist of their money. >> there are reports that missiles are striking again. >> the reports are they struck a lesser known group that killed at least one of the group's leaders. marks a sharp turn from the administration's planned pivot away from a decade of war in the middle east. it is an exacting position for the president who's embracing a new conflict while trying to keep the country from being defined by it. >> a broader coalition in the region in which major powers address their differences honestly and peacefully across the table from one another. rather than through gun wielding proxies. i can promise you, america will remain engaged in the region.
i've heard it that america's foreign policy will not be based on reacting to terrorism. instead, a campaign against al qaeda. taking out their leaders. >> so the president's walking a tight rope here. >> he is, but he's squeezing now the islamic state, isis, financially, with the flow of foreign fighters. the resolution that was passed at the united nations. all countries will now stop their citizens trying to get to that area. this is a much more concerted effort. the coalition he's built in the middle east could not have happened months ago. sign up to backing american air strikes. it represents the shift they've gone through. the realization that it's a monster that they have helped create, but it's a monster nonetheless, and it will come back to bite them. the president is talking about a generational struggle. after these initial rounds of air strikes, if there are
retaliatory measures, how long does this coalition hold up. >> we just got word the british parliament is now going to vote on whether or not to join this coalition. which obviously would be a big deal to them. bring europe into it. >> but only on the iraq question. also interesting to note, at the u.n. speech, he said the world has not been this safe in my five years as president. fast forward and look where we are now. >> bill simmons of espn made some very controversial comments about roger goodell. called him a liar. he also challenged his network to do something about what he was saying. take a look. >> goodell, if he didn't know what was on that tape, he's a liar. if you put him up on a lie detector test, that guy would fail. and for all these people to
pretend they didn't know is such [ bleep ] it really is. for him to go into that press conference and pretend otherwise. i was so insulted. >> i love bill simmons. i'm going to go home. i'm going to put up his picture. i'm going to put up two candles. going to build an altar and put a lot of little beads down. i'm just going to bow to him every day. come on, he said what everybody's thinking. goodell's a liar. that's what everybody's thinking. >> he should not have used foul language. >> people are too polite. >> of course, you never use foul language, mika. >> he also said in a different way exactly what espn's reporting said a couple days ago. so did he use language that espn had to do something about? >> it was a podcast for good sake. >> but we didn't play the part where he challenged his employer, which i think is the problem. >> is he being suspended for the language that he used,
specifically those two words he used twice, or being -- >> i'm glad you asked. see what you think. this is the statement. every employee must be accountable to espn and those engaged in our editorial operations must also operate with espn's journalistic standards. we've worked hard to ensure our recent nfl coverage has met that criteria. bill simmons did not meet those obligations. as a result, we have suspended him for three weeks. >> a podcast. >> wrong reason. >> why don't they suspend him for a tweet. this is ridiculous. they're suspending their most popular guy for three weeks? >> what, really? >> by the way, they've only made him more of a hero than he already -- he was the number one trending topic worldwide was #freesimmons. it's true. in the world. not just here, in the world. >> so we know, willie, that when
espn did that series that showed the ugly side of the nfl, the nfl called him up and said, if you want to be a part of our organization, if you want highlights, if you want to do -- i guess it was monday night football. then you're going to kill that series. and espn said okay. here what happened. do you think the nfl called again and said, hey, they called him a liar, that's crossing the line. simmons is an opinions guy and this is a podcast and they fine him for -- they suspend him for three weeks. a week longer than ray rice gets suspended for beating up his fiance and knocking her out? >> i don't have any reporting on it but i suspend the nfl called about this one because bill simmons is so popular and his words carry so much weight within the sports world that him explicitly calling goodell a liar probably didn't make them happy. if you go back and watch "pti,"
"outside the lines," "keith olbermann," all these espn shows, they have been destroying goodell. espn has a strong relationship with the nfl and they've been doing that -- >> hard to imagine if he had just said i don't believe goodell had just been morth c e forthcoming and truthful. >> he said what everyone's thinking. >> he said goodell was a liar. did we say goodell was a liar? no. but we said -- >> you said you had doubts about -- >> no, we said it sure seems like he's lying. it seems like he's not telling the truth. but you suspend the guy for a week longer than the guy who beat up his fiance? >> seriously have said, look, three weeks versus two week, are you crazy? because that's the numbers that people are going to pick up. >> is this a lucy goosy conversation? >> yes, it's like a radio -- >> it's not like a -- >> it's like a radio show. >> so have they used that kind of language before? >> i'm sure. >> yeah, man. >> so it's really not the
language -- >> the language, the words themselves. >> still ahead on "morning joe," police close in on survivalist cop killer eric frein still hiding out in the pennsylvania woods. he's leaving behind strange clues for authorities. we're going to have the details on that next. plus, a traffic stop gone very wrong. a trooper is facing charges for opening fire on an unarmed man. all that ahead. first, bill karins with the forecast. >> it's been since april 25th, five months since they've had measurabable rain at the san francisco airport. we're getting to the end of our dry season. we got drenched in the northwest yesterday. across the country, we have a mini nor'easter off the jersey shore. providing good rain from
philadelphia to atlantic city. the rain just arriving in new york city. the airports themselves, i think only minor problems are going to occur. right now, it doesn't look too bad. on the west coast, we are seeing that rainfall right now. san francisco up to the medford area, scattered showers around portland and seattle. some pictures out of lubbock. this region yesterday picked up very fast rain in just a tiny bit of time. they're very prone to flooding. these pictures, pretty dramatic. they had about two inches of rain in just under an hour of time. a lot of vehicles and a lot of cars ended up getting soaked and drenched out in that area. there are some minor concerns today. a lot of people wondering are we going to get that yankee game in tonight. i think we will. i think the rain in new york city will taper off. some people paid up to $10,000 to sit near the dugout and now they're wondering if the game is going to be rained out or not. i do think they will get that rain in. remember, no umbrellas allowed. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back.
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so willie, you say that bill simmons -- he's got good relationships with the guys, right? >> most of them, i think so. >> it's probably just a challenge. >> i think they didn't like the challenge. >> you don't do that. you don't threaten people. it puts them in a corner and makes them feel like they have to do something rash like suspend you. >> i freakin' dare you, phil.
>> how long would you like again? >> phil, if you're a man, if you're a man, you will suspend me for at least 3 1/2 to 4 years with pay. >> full benefits. >> could you imagine that? being like jesse ventura? i want a show. i suck on tv. okay, here's $2 million. go back to minnesota. can you imagine that? >> it only happens to him. >> like, people get fired, right. >> it's a pretty sweet deal. >> yeah, now he just runs around and he sues the widows of ten american heroes. >> okay, stop. >> does jesse ventura work? >> time now to take a look at the morning papers. y "usa today." apriple users. a faulty update disabled touch service and use of the touch id
fingerprint scan. it pulled the update, promising a major fix. the problems did not stop there. some blew up and torched cities, what happened? >> several users say the models actually bend when kept in their pants pockets. experts suspect the issue stems from the aluminum frame. >> yeah, you know, apple actually said, willie, this is not a problem for people that actually don't wear pants while they're using their iphone 6, so all these people -- it bends when you put it in your pants. >> that's hilarious. >> don't wear pants. okay, let's go to the next story. >> some people are calling it ben-ghazi-gate. >> you have to be a real journalist to talk about bend-ghazi. >> recently released dash cam footage shows the events as they unfolded. the video is disturbing.
we ought to warn you the victim is expected to make a full recovery. >> your license please. get out of your car. get out of your car. get on the ground. get on the ground. >> i'm just getting my license. you said get my license. i have my license. that's my license, right there. what did i do, sir? >> are you hit? >> i think so. i can't feel my legs. i don't know what happened. why did you -- why did you shoot me? >> well, you dove head first back into your car. >> i'm sorry, i didn't hear two words, sir. >> what the hell? >> oh, my gosh. >> the guy that got shot was apologizing. >> he was told to get his license. >> yeah, he goes to get his answer. >> the officer has been charged with assault and battery of a
highly aggravated nature. the victim suffered an injury to his hip and is recovering, thank goodness, after a brief stay in the hospital. >> oh, my gosh. >> cameras on all cars. >> the cop knew he messed up. he totally broke down. completely, his mind left him and he thought he was being attacked. it's crazy. he was completely wrong. >> the "new york daily news." authorities in pennsylvania say suspected cop killer eric matthew frein was spotted in the woods but managed to elude them again, leaving soiled diapers and cigarettes in his wake. tensions are high near the home of the suspect's family as the man hunt enters day 13. after allegedly ambushing two state troopers, killing one and critically injuring another. >> let's go to the star ledger. a former member of the mtv series jersey shore could
potentially face prison time. mike soren tino. >> he's the situation, right? >> he's pleaded not guilty to charges of tax evasion. they say he failed to pay taxes on nearly 9 million -- >> that's a lot of cash. >> his brother also charged with conspiracy in filing false tax returns. when the situation was asked about the case, he responded, quote, the situation will sort itself out. he's always on. >> it's the sit. >> maybe he can take -- >> the cover from "time" magazine. it's an in depth interview of gmc ceo mary berra. >> imagine a world where girls are sometimes so devalued that parents raise their girls as boys. the author of this new book joins us.
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welcome back to "morning joe" at 32 past the hour. here with us now, award-winning journalist jenny norburg who's the author of the underground girls of kabul, in search of the hidden resistance in afghanistan. incredible insight into the plight of young women and girls. and also some of the challenges they face, of which there are so many. but girls being raised as boys. i understand dressing as boys,
but let's go now to the concept of raising them as boys and why. >> this is a hidden practice in one of the most repressive societies on earth for women. it's a creaative way for parent to allow their daughters more freedom of movement. sometimes this actually allows them to get an education, to get to school. it also raises the family's status. because in afghanistan, sons are the only thing that counts. if you don't have a son, you only have daughters in a family, it's actually seen as better to make one up. >> how prevalent is this? >> it's not uncommon. every afghan will know of someone. they'll have someone in their extended family. a great-grandmother who did this. doctors will know about it because, you know, young boys are sometimes brought in and, you know, proved to be actually girls. so it's -- they're right under the surface. that's why i think of them as the underground girls. they're all over afghanistan. >> so this is a term jenny called basha pash?
>> it literally means dressed up as a boy. you say you have a son, a daughter or a basha pash which is almost like a third gender in afghanistan. >> when is there a tipping point for the age of a person being raised this way to take over their gender identity as a female? >> this comes to an abrupt end usually when girls reach pube y puberty. at that point, they're expected to take the trajectory of afghanistan afghan women, to be pure, to be proper, to go on and usually forcibly married to a husband of their family's choice and bear children, sons of course. from the pants and the shirt into the dress and the head scarf and the more demure behavior and all that. >> how is this so jarring? i mean, for these young women to then go into this -- where they've been raised in a way to have a more progressive confidence in this society, to be put into more traditional
trajectories? >> it's jarring, disappointing, confusing more than anything. you have to consider this is a country at war with insecurity for decades. so many things are jarring in that sense. but certainly, it might be also an empowering experience, as you've been able to live on the other side, so to speak, of afghan society, which is extremely segregated. >> you follow this story who is a girl or a boy? >> well, she's very much a girl and she's very aware she's actually a girl but she has grown up mostly as a boy and she behaves as a boy. she has a completely different body language than her older sister. she's the youngest in the family. she's the one who gets to go out and play, ride a bicycle, have a whole different behavior and hang around with other boys. i've follows her now for five year since i first arrived in afghanistan in 2009. she's developed a very different personality. she's more outspoken. she's more -- she's very boyish
in her demeanor. and her mother before her actually grew up as a boy as well. >> the subtitle of your book, in search of a hidden resistance in afghanistan. what does that mean? >> i think in my research for the past five years, there's both, you know, tragedy and there's also an element of subversion to this. when you're in an impossible society, these mothers -- you could say they do something to their children but also maybe they do something for their daughters in a sense. they do allow them more freedom of movement. these girl, get out in a different way. even if it's for a short time. some do push it longer than that. for most of them, it's a limited time of living on the other side and seeing what life could be like in having rights that all humans should have. so it's something that is just under the surface that afghans have been doing for a long time in a very creative way. >> in the end when they go back to being what they actually, which is women this is obviously
a story of kind of patriarch al oppression. what happens over the course of their lives? >> most women do turn back to young girls before puberty. in those cases, in the women i've interviewed, it can leave some empowering experience. some have gone on to sit in parliament, to become ministers, professional prominent women. for those who push it further, who go through puberty as another gender than their birth sex, it leaves a more permanent mark. they will describe it to me as though the male stuck with them. the male is what feels natural to them. and they will always keep this with them. it's an extremely frustrating experience and some of them describe it as though they've been stuck in between two genders. >> the book is the underground girls of kabul. absolutely fascinating. thank you so much.
still ahead, the story of one of jazz's most influential musicians as told by two of his students, quincy jones and alex hicks join us next on "morning joe." there was no question she was the one.
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you know, there's masters and then there's amateurs. >> yeah, that's true. >> there's a lot more amateurs than there are masters. i'm trying to think, what really makes the difference, you know. >> one thing is desire. desire. to excel. you gotta want to play better than everybody. you got to try hard. i want to play better. i'm gonna do the best i can. >> that was a clip from the new documentary "keep on keeping on." the story of the jazz legend clark terry. the film's direct, executive producer and write, allen hicks. also, legendary music producer kwib quincy jones. >> you watch the show a lot? >> this is when i go to bed, man. >> exactly. >> i watch your show. i'm one of the biggest fans. rachel. i love rachel.
>> well, thank you so much. >> is she here? >> not right now, she's sleeping. >> she's beautiful. you guys are something else, man. i'm addicted. >> you're addicted. >> thank you so much. i appreciate it. so this is a remarkable story. you see the opening scenes of the trailer and you see how -- a legend in failing health is still mentoring a great young student. talk about it. >> 67 years he taught me, 67 years ago. >> that's amazing. >> still doing it. even in failing health. >> greatest trumpet player that ever lived. >> really? >> oh, yeah. i saw him when i was 14. >> so talk about the film. >> i was a student of clark's. when i'd been studying with him for a few years, i just got this sense that there needed to be a film made about clark terry. that's where we got the idea to
start filming. we just finished it up. >> a very compelling story about a great musician losing his sight while this process was taking place. >> and his legs. >> his relationship with one of his latest prodigies, a blind piano player. yeah, we got to follow them for years and years just to see how their relationship and friendship developed and how they helped each other through some of the hardest times of their life. but with positivity running through. >> it's amazing, watching him lying there in bed, singing notes. and watching his pupil sit there. >> he taught me when i was 12 or 13 in '47 in seattle. in 1959, he joined my band. my greatest honor i've ever had in my life.
a great honor. incredible human being. >> he also taught a few other greats too, didn't he? taught miles. probably a hard student to teach. >> he was skinny like me though. >> what an amazing history, right? >> it's unbelievable. it's a miracle really. i cry every time i see it. >> you said clark terry is the greatest trumpeter. you also said he was a great human being. >> that's where it starts. >> talk about what made him a great teacher. >> passion. just passion. he had -- he had passion for the young people. my own reaction to it, somebody like clark and ray charles, mentally, when you're young, you can't help but do that with other young people. that's what happens.
it's funny because my mother left me at 7, his mother left him at 7 too. >> did he bring you technical skills? >> i would play high notes and put the trumpet here and it would bleed. he said, no, put it here. and that breathing. there's a lot of techniques you have to have. left and right brain, you know. >> and what an unlikely relationship he has with justin. right? >> unbelievable. >> you look at justin, like, from the very beginning, you go, wait a second. you know. it's sort of -- >> he traveled with us now. we have a group. and he travels with us now. it's in the movie. they talk about it. >> how did this unlikely friendship begin? >> well, clark had been losing his sight for some time. and that's when justin first met clark. justin lost his sight when he was 11. and so he was able to come into clark's life just at the right
moment to help him adjust to losing his sight due to diabetes. that's where their relationship started. it started to develop from there. one thing i noticed whilst filming, you think a student's going to get so much from studying with the great clark terry. but what i started to realize is that clark terry's actually getting a lot from having his students around. and it actually keeps him going. you know, it doesn't matter where it is, if it's at home or there in the hospital. he's singing and teaching and staying positive the whole way. >> how important is it? because he's a musician. everybody else around this project was a musician. how important do you think it was to really get this film running? >> well, i think it's so powerful. because i have -- i've scored 40 movies in my career. i have never seen that much truth. nothing is fake. everything there is
absolutely -- you couldn't put it in the script you know. it's all real. the drama from australia. you know. australia. trying to get that. australia. >> brilliant. 415 hours of film they shot. >> we have another clip. on clark terry's jazz legacy. take a look. >> this man taught thousands of students who taught thousands of students who are going to teach thousands of students. >> it's almost like being pulled by a magnet. you feel this desire to excel from someone else. >> aside from the fact there are people all over the world who can teach anybody the square root of a b-flat chord, not too many instances where people encourage the people to give vent to their own feelings and
produce that which is within them. >> you got to inspire them, encourage them. most of the time, they don't even know what they can do until you get it out of them. >> keep on keeping on. >> i've got to see the whole thing. this looks phenomenal. >> mind blowing. >> quincy jones and allen hick, thank you so much for coming on the show. >> thank you for playing this movie. >> it's life changing. >> we're going to enjoy it so much. i can't wait to see the whole thing. thank you very much, both of you. >> please give rachel my love. big fan of you three guys. >> well that is a good one. up next, late night has fun with president obama's latte salute. more "morning joe" when we come back. ♪ ♪
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what did you learn? >> i learned that i think i have no voice. it's gone. thomas. >> i learned about the fascinating book about the underground girls of kabul where parents choose to raise their young daughters as young boys. fascinating approach. >> what you learn? >> i learned that bill simmens is getting the shaft. it's derek jeter's last home game. >> if doesn't get rained out. >> a big moment. >> yankee fan. >> the tears of the -- >> did you learn anything? >> i learned there's a door over here. i'm going to go on upstairs to the concourse level. >> take a picture. >> we'll see you guys tomorrow. >> it's time for "morning joe." but now it's time for "the daily rundown." we'll just close him up. >> physical comedy at its best. >> good stuff. >> good pratfall. >> can we tape this?
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