him, the mother of his children. when it comes to marriage, a man doesn't want to come home from a hard day of work and looking at a sexy wife lying on the couch saying -- yes, he does. you know who made up he's lines? >> no. >> ugly girls' mothers. >> wow. joan rivers passed away at the age of 81 yesterday. and it is still like you can't stop discovering new things about her, when you look at her body of work. >> oh, i know. you go back and a lot of people just look at joan rivers and what she has done, the snarky comments she has made on red carpets and as "the new york times" described so well, she has a career that should never be eclipsed by that. she was a trail blazer. you go back and read what "the new york times" wrote about her
in 1965. she's a pretty -- basically sounded like she's a pretty little lady and it's surprising because she's a young woman and she's pretty. she still gets laughs, but she doesn't get much of a future. "the times" morning was talking about maybe they read that wrong. >> there was a movie came out a couple of years ago, joan rivers, a piece of work. we will have the executive producer and director of that movie on next hour. that movie, everybody should see. it really does show you a side of her, usually you get a movie that kind of shows one angle of a person you've never seen before. woe. this was an amazing woman. sometimes i was very turned off by her, but she took risks like nobody else. put her heart out there and then you see in this documentary what drove her and there's a rawness to her and a realness to her and a sadness to her. >> a calendar that is unfilled?
yeah. >> i cried at times throughout that movie at very inappropriate times. >> frank bruni is here and frank is a huge fan of joan rivers. we are going to be talking about this in just one minute. sam stein is here. his appearance, he wasn't each born when joan rivers comedy career began but we will teach him. >> trail blazer. >> first, for me, at least, for a lot of people, sad news, saddening to a pathetic story in virginia. >> not just for you. it's a really sad store. if you have brain and a heart this is a sad story and if you're human, you might relate in some way. virginia governor bob mcdonnem mcdonnell and his wife maureen have been found guilty. the first state's governor ever
to be charged let alone convict. they rejected a plea deal early on that could have spared his wife and reduced his felony count to just one. but as the jury read each guilty verdict in court, 11 times for him, nine for her, the mcdonnell and their children wept openly in the court. "the new york times" reports his head dropped and wept at the table. they took 177,000 in loans from jonnie williams they say to help support a nutritional supplement. he depicted his wife in court as harsh and unstable. he even tried to demonstrate she had a crush on williams all to prove it was impossible. the first couple colluded but it simply did not work. >> this is a difficult and disappointing day for the commonwealth when public
officials turn to financial gain in exchange for official acts, we have little choice but to prosecute the case. >> anything to say for all of the virginians watching out there? >> all i can say is my trust remains in the lord. >> the couple plans to appeal but faces decades in federal prison when sentencing begins next year. i want to bring in political reporter for the richard times dispatch, olympia meal who has been in the court the entire trial. olympia, first of all, set the scene for us in terms of what the reaction was inside the courtroom when the verdict came down. >> well, thanks for having me. i think you kind of nailed it. it was a sad day yesterday, and certainly it was a difficult scene in the courtroom. as the verdicts were read, the governor, over time, just seemed to kind of dissolve at the able in tears and he kept his head and his hands for most of the time, just shoulders shaking. his children, who were in the
row behind him and the former first lady, he and the former first lady, just openly sobbed and they kind of just crouched down to console one another, and as more and more of the guilty verdicts were read, the cries seemed to get louder. so i think it was certainly a difficult scene in the courtroom and, you know, as you just heard, i think by most accounts, it was a sad day overall for the state with even the u.s. attorney and the district saying it was a difficult day for the commonwealth. >> olympia, thank you. i don't agree with anything they did. i mean, i completely understand the difference between right and wrong here, but, my god, this family, what they did to themselves to try and -- i don't know. >> i'm not going to be popular on this. i've said enough right-wingers
over the past couple of weeks and let me defend some left-wingers now. >> go. >> i think it's absolutely outrageous that the government brought these charges. i say as a politician people sit you doin' and say this is what you can do and this is what you can't do. here are the lines you cross, here are the lines you don't cross. now listen. there is right and wrong. and i see these exchange of gifts as morally indefensible. i look at them and i roll my eyes and say, how in the world could they do it? that is dead wrong. but you know what? i do a lot of things that are dead wrong every day. politicians in washington do a lot of things that are dead wrong every day. and, yet, i'm not going to federal prison and politicians aren't going to federal prison. you have an ethics code in virginia that allowed this to happen. when they took these gifts, they
were following the laws of the state where he was governor. and the federal government comes in, for the first time, for the first time and they decide they are going to make an example of bob mcdonnell and his wife? again, please. nobody say, hey, joe, but what they did is wrong. i know it's wrong. i talked to some of their closest political allies yesterday and they were very sad. they said, got, but how could they have done that? i say how could they have done that? but, at the same time, to go to jail this long to put your family through this. >> we don't know yet. >> when the federal government decides for the first time that they are going to prosecute a governor who lived within the confines of the ethical rules of his state, if you got a problem with this, as i said from the very beginning, go to virginia. let the virginia legislature clean their act up.
but to send this guy to the federal prison forever. >> just so you know, they could get years. >> up to 30 years. they will have -- it's not going to end up being 30 years. obviously, they are going to appeal this and a chance he gets a lot of these charges overturned on appeal. under virginia law, you get up to a certain limit, the problem do you do anything in exchange for those gifts? and, clearly, a jury decided that he had done favors for this guy in exchange for those gifts. you can argue all you want about whether the punishment fits the crime. but, you know, the federal prosecutors made a derms thatten that it did and they, obviously, wanted to use this as a example to compel the virginia legislature to do the ethics reform that you talked about. >> why is the united states attorney getting involved with governors?
does the united states attorney not have enough federal officials to go after? does the united states attorney -- >> sure. >> -- not have enough terrorists to try to convict? does the united states -- i mean, i want to know whether the united states government decided to get involved in a state's business. i don't understand. in this case, what was so -- i mean, a guy that was leaving office, what was so compelling that eric holder and the justice department said, hey, you know what? because we're kind of bored. we don't have a lot of to do here. we don't have a lot going. why don't we go into virginia and try to figure out if we can't convict this guy. >> i don't think there is a role to play -- >> why hasn't it gone before? >> didn't they go after rod blagojevich? >> under this? >> for a different role, i'd have to look. i think a role the federal government has to go to going after this type of virginia.
>> why didn't virginia do it? >> they can. >> they didn't. >> i think for the course of the next few days, tons of news programs will look at this and will look at all of the different charges and look at the horrific things they it and talk about that. i just think -- you would know -- i would know from our world view and the way we grew up, the impact of these jobs of being in a position of power, of being an elected official, and the pressure on families, and i'm not saying i don't judge. i do. i think what they did was -- in some ways, incredibly stupid, and they are paying a terrible price as a complete family. when you go to virginia wachlt or you have a job like this, you're running a state and a country, if your family doesn't have the strongest foundation and the tight relationships, you do get cracked up. >> i can say there is also
money. there is also money concern too. >> absolutely. >> frank, i had -- >> that's part of it. >> people would come see where i lived, you know, after i got divorced, i lived in -- it was literally a shack. my boys loved it, though. we lived -- they absolutely loved it. >> by the river. >> it was awful! down by the river! it was awful but i don't care. because i don't care. we had a great time and had a lot of time and i'd invite people over to my house and they expect to see this big southern mansion and it was a little shack and we called it cockroach hotel. but, frank, there were some other people, though, who had kids that were going into college. i remember bob livingston when he lived in new orleans. talk about modest. yet, people sending two, three, four kids to college. i will say one of the more maddening frustrating things is
when somebody would come to me and ask for some help moving a map this way or that way so they could do a development and make, like, $20 million off of it, and, i mean, it's a tough business when your family is struggling. >> i was going to say, you've been in the game. how hard is it for politicians who do not come from -- >> it's your entire life. it's your entire existence. >> how hard is it for politicians who do not have money and are raising funds from people and constantly, you know, in communication with and mingling people who have a lot of money how frustrating does that get and how much can that work a person? >> you know, i've seen it warping people. i wasn't in politic long enough. i was in there seven or eight years, but i have seen politicians through the years that went in without a lot of money, left without a lot of money. michael steele, i think over decades, they start thinking,
wait a second, i'm making all of these clowns millions of dollars by passing tax cuts and by doing favors for them, you know, and i have seen some people get bitter and i always wondered if that got them in trouble at the end of the day. it's like why is everybody else getting rich and, gee, what is the problem if they give me, you know, $5,000 trip to hawaii or something like that? >> well, i think mika hit it right. there is that economic financial and personal pressure, and some can't wait for the gratification at the end as we just saw recently with former congressman eric cantor who landed a big, fat paycheck on wall street. some can't wait for that payday after that, quote, public service is over. they do find the loopholes and they do find the ways within the system to feather the nest while
they are there. the problem in this case and both -- unfortunately, both you and sam are right, the laws of virginia allowed the governor to do what the governor did. but the federal prosecutors also wanted to make an example of this type of, quote, unethical behavior. the blagojevich case was different because that involved a federal office, so it does raise the spectrum why the federal government would find its way into this type of a case, but, you know, given the pressure that we have seen, joe, in recent years with politicians and big money and wall street, it makes sense. >> you hang out with billionaires. when hillary clinton said i'm rich but i'm not really rich. >> you understood? >> yeah. wait, no. >> yardstick changes. >> i understand how the clintons look at it yes, we make $250,000 when we go make a speech. these people we hang out with, they make $145 million when they
do a deal in an afternoon and have g-5s, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. so it's all around a lot of money. but, any way, we need to move on. i do want to say this because i want to be really clear and get back to that issue. at the end of the day, though, i do have to say this. even without laws, i'll go to the other side now. this is just behavior. their lines -- they should have never -- >> should have taken the deal. >> should have -- >> i can also tell you too when you're sitting there in that office you know what the laws are. and i think i was helped because i was an attorney first and you have a trust account and ed moore who was my mentor came to me said, you never do this and never touch this and you learn early on, there are red lines and you not only don't cross them, you don't even go up to them. >> we have a complete report on this coming up as well so we are going to certainly go back at different angles of the story. other news. heavy fighting overnight in
ukraine is creating new doubts about a potential cease-fire agreement between ukraine and russia. ukraine forces come under heavy fire from pro russian rebels. the rebels and other european officials plan to hold talks on ending the crisis. president obama is scheduled to hold a news conference later today before returning from the nato summit in wales. he met with ukraine's president and other top european leaders in a show of support for kiev in its conflict with moscow. let's go to nbc senior white house correspondent chris jansing who is traveling with the president this morning in wales. what is the plan, chris? >> reporter: there is a major shift in focus and gone what with we going to do with vladimir and that is still very much on the front burner, but the talk is about what happens next with isis? we are getting a sense that that plan is really very much in the
development phases. i talked to ben rhodes yesterday asking him whether boots on the ground would be necessary in syria to deal with isis and he said nothing has been ruled out. john kerry today said that key nato members are going to form coalition and not involve boots on the ground but they expect to have a plan in place before they head to the u.n. general assembly that starts on september 23rd. over the time we have been here, there is skaescalating concern. the president met with the french president so i think we will hear more coming out of this and certainly at the president's press conference what is next in terms of the fight against isis. >> chris jansing, thank you very much. still ahead here on "morning joe," we have a lot to talk about with senator claire
mccaskill. she will be joining us on set live at the top of the hour at 8:00. also, we will answer one of life's biggest mysteries. what happens to your socks when they go missing? okay. then dirty dancing. a principal cancels her school's dance and miley cyrus is the reason for that? we will play the best moments of the 50 years of joan rivers's life. you're watching "morning joe." we will be right back. >> you don't hate me, do you? >> i don't hate you. personally, i hate your type. >> what is it about my type you don't like? >> thin, pretty, blond, great eyes, screw you! i'm sorry! i like -- do you know what i mean? you're good looking and you're smart. you got the package. >> really? >> are you christian? you got it all. she's got it all! my mother made the best toffee in the world.
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joe." it's time to take a look at the papers. i'm going to do it this morning with two hot shots that get invited to the u.s. open. >> what? you were invited. ed forrest wanted you to go. >> who doesn't fit at this table? >> who else came along? >> gale king. >> you know what i'm doing? i'm sitting in the office shining mika's shoes. >> you were invited but you couldn't. >> that federer match last night was just stunning. you're looking at the morning papers. here is the "usa today" talking about joan rivers. "the dailiy news" also talking how tough she was. >> let's get on to more of the morning papers. we will be following up on joan's life throughout the show today. bp faces up to $18 billion in civil penels after a federal judge decided the company.
that is in addition to last year's $4 billion settlement over criminal charges in its 2012 trial with victims. it claimed the lives of 11 workers. we get this from the rut land herald. the administrators at a vermont high school are blaming miley cyrus for their decision to cancel a homecoming dance. the officials say their controversial dance move twerking left some students feeling uncomfortable and unsafe prompting them to cancel the event. >> do we need to call kevin bacon to go up there and teach them that dancing is okay? >> in a letter to the local paper said since miley cyrus took the stage twerking at the
vmas in between our student's dancing behavior has crossed the line of what we can condone as appropriate behavior at a school. >> they were asking what twerking was and nobody could explain it to him. >> you and thomas showed it? >> no! i tried to get him to but he wouldn't. yeah, no. they were -- they didn't understand what it was. >> something like -- >> thomas, please. >> the administrators letter says twerking is dancing to popular music in a sexually provocative manner. i wish we had had this to explain the other day. a low squatting dance and thrusting movements. students do not face one another or remain with the same person for the length of the song and if you hadn't seen twerking i would encourage you to research this online.
>> no. don't research this on line. now you know. >> that encouraged yesterday. remember, the guy said go to google. >> we said youtube it. we are not going there. >> the decision was based on entirely stupid grounds. "usa today," a dog owner in oregon was shocked to learn her socks didn't go missing in the dryer. it was rather in the stomach of her great dane. the owner rushed the 3-year-old dog to the vet after it kept getting sick. an x-ray showed the dog's stomach was severely blocked by a sock. this is disgusting. during surgery, the doctor pulled 43 1/2 pair of socks in different shapes and colors from the animal's tummy. the x-ray was so impressive it won a contest and the money was made to charity and that one
published in a veterinarian journal. >> the dog was carrying 43 1/2 socks? >> holy cow! >> that is amazing. >> the nfl season kicked off last night on nbc. what happened? >> the defending super bowl champs which are the seattle seahawks hosting the green packers. the hawks are hosting quarterback aaron rodgers to under 200 yards and one interception and three sacks and one led to a safety. seattle running back marshawn lynch ran for two touchdowns in the 30-16 victory to kick off the regular season. >> jim vandehei on suicide watch this morning. the cheese has sort of wilted on his head. >> poor jim. coming up, bob mcdonnell's epic falls to grace. once a potentially presidential candidate falls away. >> people were jubilant about this last nist. it's a human tragedy.
>> when people cheer as much as some people cheered last night over this. >> i'm not even sure i disagree with what has happened. i just am sad. first, the life of a legend. speaking of sad. we are going to do our best to bring you some of the best moments and there were many from joan rivers' unbelievable career. don't go away. we will be right back. [ breathing deeply ] [ inhales deeply ] [ sighs ] [ inhales ] [ male announcer ] at cvs health, we took a deep breath... [ inhales, exhales ] [ male announcer ] and made the decision to quit selling cigarettes in our cvs pharmacies. now we invite smokers to quit, too, with our comprehensive program. we just want to help everyone, everywhere, breathe a little easier. introducing cvs health.
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♪ mattress discounters ♪ ♪ ♪ i feel sorry for any single girl today. the styles and the whole society is not for single girls, you know that? a man is single he is so lucky. a boy on a date all he has to be is clean and able to pick up the check. he's a winner, you know that. or a man could call up anybody in the whole world. do you know that? hello i saw your name in the locker room and thought i would give you a quick call. >> few people can be credited with shaping their craft the way joan rivers shaped comedy in america and she was still on top of her game until the very end. joan passed away yesterday here in new york city one week after she stopped breathing during a throat procedure. she was surrounded by family and friends. her daughter melissa rivers made sure the hospital room was full
of flowers and music and that her hair and makeup was done as well. her mother's hair and makeup. she said her mother's greatest joy was being able to make people laugh. it was a career that lasted more than 50 years. her big break was in 1965 when she was discovered by johnny carson. for 20 years, she would be a frequent guest and guest host on nbc's "the tonight show." >> i can only take credit for putting on the show but i did say one thing that night which i have seldom said on this show over the years, you finished your routine and you were devastating and the audience was falling apart and you walked over and you sat down. i said, you know? you're going to be a big star and that is something you don't say because it always soundic, like, you're just -- >> i looked behind me. i couldn't believe you were talking to me. >> yeah. >> that friendship abruptly ended in 1986 when joan agreed to host her own late night show competing against carson on fox. she says johnny never spoke to
her again. joan has become a staple of the entertainment scene and hosting a variety of shows. last night her colleagues in late night took a moment to honor their friend. >> talk about guts. she would come out here and sit in this chair and say some things that were unbelievable. >> yeah. >> just where you would have to swallow pretty hard and twice, but it was hilarious, and she stood behind her jokes and, to my knowledge, would say these things and never apologize because she felt, hey, i'm a comedian, these are jokes. >> besides being a pioneer for women in comedy and everybody in comedy, joan was lucky because she loved her job so much and she never wanted to stop and she didn't have to stop because she was so great at it. >> she is fearless. she would come out and say what you were thinking but you wouldn't say it but she wouldn't stop and just say it and a lot
of people thought her humor was mean but she did it because she wanted to make everyone laugh and she could take a joke as easiest as dishing it out. a class act all the way. >> "the new york times" talking about what a trail blazer she was. >> yeah. i was really glad you read from that clip where they were reviewing the 1960 show and saying she is pretty but she is funny. one of the things i think we are realizing now got lost in recent years she was a pioneer to use jimmy kimmel's world and trail blazer to use your word. in the end people lost sight of that because she seemed to lose sense of the line between a provocative joke and something that was just crazy but she had an amazing career. >> but there was risk going with that, going over the line. some of her jokes were so over
the line you cringe and you couldn't laugh. she took that risk. she let her brain go so fast to sort of try and create a moment of laughter that the risk was often driven. >> listen, i'm a big fan and admirer but i think a couple of months when she was arriving somewhere and she said michelle obama was the first transgender first lady. that kind of -- that is a joke, that falls pretty flat. >> totally. completely. and she had many of those that did. horrible. >> i remember back when i was in college, i remember sitting around with friends drinking and maybe doing some other stuff and listening to her. >> studying. >> no that was back in the era where we actually bought comedy albums and we had albums that sold re well and she had one called what is a semilegend most and she had a whole thing on it that was classical going to the gynecologist and that was edgy at that time and you can listen to it today and it's still hilarious.
>> to say she pushed the envelope is complete understatement. so here is a clip from joan rivers. a piece of work. it's kind of a documentary on her life. it shows just how much she pushed the envelope early on in her career. >> when i started comedy, i was very wild for the time. but different times. the last line of my original act was this business, it's all about casting couches so i want you to know my name is joan rivers and i put out. and you would hear the audience, such a sweet little silly line from a girl that was 28 years old, you know, dressed up trying to look nice. the audience, half of them laugh. jack lemmon saw me and walked out. said "that's disgusting!" so for my time, it was very shocking. >> still shocking in a lot of different ways. you talked about this documentary how it was -- you
really admired her. you told me about a month or two ago you really admired her in some ways but in other ways, it was just sad watching somebody that lived for the next applause line and talk about that empty calendar you were talking about. >> this documentary shows sort of how she was driven by this raw need to please, to make people laugh, to make a moment out of everything, to help the people around her, but it was so extreme that it was very hard not to be deeply sad watching this, even deeply hilarious moments, i had met her before i had seen it and i met her after and i looked at her completely different after, almost like wanting to take her hands and hold them down for a second and say just be sill as for one second. just stop. we still love you. there is sort of like a humanity that comes out in this documentary and if you're
interested, everybody should look at it if you're interested in her at all or you followed her. gosh. you see something in her that we all have, but that is out of whack. >> we are going to talk about joan rivers more as we go forward throughout the three hours. still ahead, the touching moment as a 7-week-old child hears his mother for the first time. that is coming up in a minute. kansas politicians are pumping the brakes on chad taylor's exit from the senate race. it's crazy. more crazy things. what is the matter with kansas? >> his -- is invalid? what? >> that's coming up next. ethnic people get emotional. i'm not -- no. watches, nothing. ethnic people, you know, you say irish cry -- you say to an
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♪ nationwide is on your side just when you thought the kansas senate race could not debit any weirder. yesterday, chad taylor withdrew his candidacy and a lot of people asked him to. any other race that could be great news for the republican but not for senator pat roberts. he was barely lead ago three-man race with taylor in the running. without taylor roberts was trailing the independent candidate greg orman. that would have helped defeat the republican. but now kansas secretary of state is saying that -- the secretary of state is republican, by the way. >> oh, really? >> taylor's letter of withdrawal is not valid. >> i never saw this coming. >> and that taylor will be left
on the ballot. why? according to the secretary of state taylor failed to provide a reason in his letter explaining why he would be incapable of fulfilling his duties. you did not do your homework correctly! >> he didn't say mommy, may i? >> why can't he send another letter? >> because there is a deadline. >> he said he passed the deadline and he can't provide the explanation. it's over. >> i wonder if the clerical error included something that actually would have helped republican pat roberts if there would have been an amendment? i'm just kind of guessing. >> michael steele might know. what do you think of this, michael? >> i think a little bit. all kind of ways to make it work for roberts. this is interesting. the fact of the matter is that you had folks sort of talking about this beforehand and, in fact, had informed taylor's campaign exactly what the procedures and the process would
be be and what was required in the letter. that is an interesting point not to miss here. they were specifically told what the letter would require. they put that in the letter. and then 24 hours later, come to find out, oops, you forget to tell us why. >> wow. >> a little political news for you. we are going to continue to talk about the life and legacy of joan rivers. i saw donny deutch walk in and we will get his take. anybody who knew her knew how incapable melissa and joan rivers were. edgar rosenberg, joan's husband committed suicide. this describes how she coped. >> spoke to my husband the night before because he had gone to philadelphia and he had called her he and he said he was coming home tomorrow and then he hung up and girl himself. i had a 15-year-old girl who had gotten the news and had to tell
me and had spoke to my husband. what could i say? we are jewish and jews spend in the house after a death. people come to you. that full week, i couldn't find my daughter. crazy. i couldn't find her. she had bangs fringe and like the fringe. i couldn't find a face in there. she just wasn't there. and then -- and then it was over and i took her out to dinner and i could reach her. i couldn't get to her. and we go to dinner in this very famous restaurant, very expensive in biverl hileverly h. we sit down and open the menu. i said, melissa, if daddy were alive and saw these prices, he would kill himself all over again! and she laughed. so i got my daughter back! >> frank, that sums up a life of
a woman that got laughs out of a lot of her own personal pain. mika talked about how needy she was, how desperate she was. but that drove her. >> a big secret to her, i think you saw in that clip, is she was willing to be as raw about herself and as tough on herself as on everybody else. and i think that was really key, because she did say a lot of cutting and horrible and went places people didn't expect her to go but she was a savage also on herself. >> jimmy fallon gets tips from a model in news you can't use. he got 11 guilty verdicts for corruption in return for dragging his marriage in the mud. we will look back on former governor bob mcdonnell. ♪ the rose is in the window box turned to the side ♪ .
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political thoroughbred. he defined democratic power in the state. >> we still talk about your campaign. >> we do. >> because it was such an example. >> reporter: just days in office and he was already rebutting the state of the union on national tv. >> we want results, not rhetoric. we want cooperation, not partisanship. >> reporter: and it wasn't long before 2012 talks started. mcdonnell for president? and later as running mate. >> imagine how much better off we are going to be with president mitt romney in office. >> reporter: but as his term in office came to a close, the allegations began. loans and gifts from a donor, rides in jonnie williams ferrari and lavish trips and shopping sprees for the first lady and tens of thousands of dollars worth. >> fbi agents now interviewing a number folks, governor, about the relationship between you, your family, and that of a major
campaign contributor. >> reporter: at first, the denials were calm and collected. >> because there is nothing that is going on in in any way impairs my ability to be an effective governor. nothing has been done with regard to my relationship with mr. williams or his company star scientific. >> reporter: but they quickly turned into humble apologieses. >> bob, you've had people coming after you from all sides. >> look, i'm not perfect, i'd made some mistakes. i acknowledge those and repaid the and repaid back loans. >> reporter: all the while he denied he had done anything illegal even vowing to reform virginia's edgeics laws and despite the investigation, his popularity remained high, even higher than the president's. >> i created about 180,000 jobs and for business according to "forbes" magazines and that means more jobs. >> reporter: the end undid the
beginning. the news cameras that focused on his rise now trained on his unstoppable fall. at trial, he dragged his marriage and his wife through the mud to bolster his own defense. and in the end, it simply didn't work. >> anything to say for all of the virginians watching out there? >> all i can say is my trust remains in the lord. >> much more ahead on "morning joe." the life of joan rivers. more on our tribute to the unapologetic comedienne still ahead. a science experiment at a nevada museum goes horribly wrong leaving children injured. first, the most terrifying thing you've ever seen with eight legs. the story behind this giant spider ahead on "morning joe." ♪ musical chairs. fun, right?
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this is going to warm your heart. >> really? >> yes. we want to introduce to you baby lockland hearing his mom for the very first time at 7 weeks old after receiving hearing aids. here is a little bit of his reluctant reaction at first, but soon he will melt your heart. >> lockland, his first hearing aid. [ screaming ] >> hello, lockland. way to go.
well, hello. hi, baby. hi. hello. >> hi. >> gorgeous. >> hi. >> he is smiling! lockland, hello. i know! he's smiling! he's smiling! >> look at that little guy. >> oh, my goodness. >> that is going to warm your heart. >> by the end of the show, i'm going to be weeping. >> mika has been tearing up. we have to get tissues on the set. >> i told you, i've been experiencing mood swings lately. >> the joan rivers, she has been tearing up. and now she -- a baby! >> tell the virginia story. >> i'm a dog eating a sock. i'm tearing up too? >> i'm going to scare the tiers out of you because nothing like a good friday fright and a laugh to go along with it. we have the best spider costume
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somebody gets serious about it and starts kicking the spider dog. >> they are too afraid. >> i would have a heart attack. >> yeah, i'd freak out. the next hour of "morning joe" starts right now. ♪ every time i write a joke, i try to remember to get it on a card. why should a woman cook? so her husband can say my wife makes a delicious cake to some hooker? you wonder why i'm still working at this age. people think it comes so easily. they have no idea what you're doing is a terrifically difficult thing to do, and i prepare line a crazy lady! >> welcome back to "morning joe." we pull ourselves together here. the chairman of deutch incorporated is here, donny
deutsche. doris goodwin who is author of "the bully pulpit." she is the author of "no ordinary time franklin and eleanor roosevelt the home front in world war ii." and associate editor of "the washington post" and msnbc political analyst eugene robinson. >> is eugene in washington? we have michael steele with us. >> michael steele is with us too. >> we just got over a spider attack. >> let's talk about joan rivers, obviously, she said offensive things. she was always willing to take a chance and made a lot of people laugh and it's because she wasn't afraid to offender. >> i knew joan fairly well. she was great and delightful. i was in the makeup room. the woman said did you know joan, yes. she said i never heard anybody
say anything bad about her. her wit and her shtick, she was a sweetie pie and delightful, warm and would always do anything for anybody. she broke a lot of barriers. i think after lucille ball and maybe carol burnett, she was probably the preeminent female comedienne of her time and allowed women to be raw. within the feminist movement she was really the first raw feminine voice. >> dirty. >> yeah. >> "the new york times" basically saying she is a woman, she's cute. you know, if reminds me of nora efron she never thought anybody would be allowed to do anything but be a secretary. joan rivers was kicking down walls in 1965. >> there are a lot of people
working today that owe a huge debt for her. even in a weird way lena dunham. >> two years ago here she is when she offered me some of feedback in a way only joan could. is my sweater okay? >> okay for a serious person. i wouldn't send you on the red carpet in that. don't to this personally. and you're very thin, so you got the good body. >> yeah. >> you should look more like the chicks they have doing news. >> i should? i'm 45. >> we never say that. you're 39. >> too late. mika is very honest. >> i'll start 46 before i turn 46. >> that's good. they say she looks great. she looks great for 90, wow! >> she was very funny when she was on but sometimes very sad when she was off camera. here is a clip from the
documentary we have been talking about. >> a piece of work. >> when i started comedy, i was very wild for the time. but different times. the last line of my original act was, this business, it's all about casting couches so i just want you to know, my name is joan rivers and i put out. and you would hear the audience, such a sweet little silly line from a girl who was 28 years old, you know, dressed up trying to look nice. the audience, half of them lack. jack lemmon saw me and walked out. he said, "that's disgusting!" so for my time, i was very shocking. >> doris, for her time, she was, wasn't she? yes, i suppose so. when i watched you all laughing before about the spider dog and about her comedy, laughter is such an extraordinary emotion. it relaxes everything. you laugh at a bad meeting when you're in the white house and
suddenly everybody relaxes and imagination comes forward. it's an important part of our brain to be able to laugh. >> it's very important emotion. >> it's a heart of humanity. >> in this documentary we will the executive producer on in a bit. this documentary of joan rivers, "a piece of work." and it shows her talking about her life and presenting herself and it also shows moments that people don't show in their life because it has a reality aspect to it of, like, when her calendar wasn't full and when literally nobody was booking her, when she hit the bottom and, like, right there on her face, you could see how that was like a knife through her heart. and this sort of struggle to get back in her head, and also then the unbelievable effort it took to get out in front of thousands of people when you only had one gig out of five weeks and to try and bring it. that is where the risk comes in,
the desperate risk. here is an early clip of rivers on the sammy davis jr. show with guest host johnny carson. >> there comes a time in a marriage a man wants a woman to cook and sew for him and the mother of his children but when it comes to marriage a man doesn't want to come home after a hard day at the office and find a wild sexy wife lying on the couch and saying eye of the tiger. yes, he do. you snow who made up these lines? ugly girls' mothers. >> so -- >> more later. >> we will be talking about joan the last hours. also talking in three or four minutes about former virginia governor bob mcdonnell who is probably going to be going to jail for a very long time. but, doris, we have you here and we have to talk about the president and the last couple of weeks.
he made a misstatement at the end of last week. a lot of his critics jumped on. critic on the left and right. they say the president doesn't have any strategy and it's almost as if this president just -- he's not going to play by the rules of past presidents. he is not going to toss out a glib line. in this case, the most extraordinary thing, i guess you have a whole new definition of team of rivals where he goes out and delivers a press conference just to tell his own cabinet members you're not pushing me into war prematurely. talk about barack obama and just extraordinary personality traits that are so confounding to so many people. >> you know, the most important thing, when you have a war that may be going on soon and that the military are saying this is the most difficult thing we have seen in our lifetime, you have to begin using what teddy roosevelt defined as the bully pulpit. you got to explain to the public what is isis about.
simple language. >> he doesn't want to do that, though. >> but he has to. that is the most important tool of the president is educate the public when you're taking them into tough times and people may be dying. >> do you join the thousands of historians, politicians, observers, frustrated by his refusal to do that? >> i think what may be happening is the deliberative part of his personality which wants to make the decision in its own good time and good at that decision making is warning against that need to keep the public involved. and it's not just the public now. the congress has to get its thing back here. i mean, there has to be a debate. when fdr understood we were getting deeper into england's wars before we wanted to as an isolationist nation he explained. he said your neighbor's house is on fire and you need to help them and that changed public opinion. even though it took four months to get through congress and britain is dying saying we need the stuff now. they said if you can make a decision by millions it will
stand because it will sustain. you wait for a democracy to talk. so the timing is critical to begin this education process right now. >> can you think of a historical equivalent of barack obama who refuses to play by the rules and refuses to engage in the theatricals? jimmy carter still sat in front of the fireplace and still said turn your thermostat down and play the game every other president would play but this president just doesn't. >> there is a sense of him wanting to have authenticity as a person but that is to be respected but fdr said you have to be an actor if you want to be president. he said me ande orson wells are the best actors. >> i'm confused he doesn't have a strategy. when you refer to the military, and type of evil we have not come across before.
there are three civil wars going on in the region and there is not -- thomas friedman's comment the other day not a button to push to say, "destroy them." maybe a president, prior to our press conferences, we are not there yet. we don't have an answer and we will have an answer and i wasn't a guest as everybody else. >> i wasn't a guest either. when you say a line that fits into a preexisting belief about you, a preexisting narrative, frank, you've talked about it. so many other people have talked about it. i don't think maureen dowd has weighed in yet. oh, wait. yes she has, holy cow! but it is very frustrating to a lot of his supporters too. >> is there a difference between not having a strategy and saying outloud we don't have a strategy. i don't think many people expect there to be a perfect strategy right now. i'm not sure it makes sense to say that but we haven't talked about the comments he made the next day i found as striking, if not more so, when he was at the fund-raiser and he seemed to be minimizing isis and saying,
well, social media amplifies this stuff and the world has always been messy. those things are true to an extent but i don't think that is what you tell the public when they are seeing beheading videos and are freaked out. >> the isis, though, mika and i have a lot of friends inside the white house. i've always said this. the thing that -- from the very beginning, we would go and i remember going on a bp spill early on. we said you guys have to get engaged. you don't look engaged. there is a pipe. there is oil pumping out. people are looking at that 24 hours a day. you guys are going off to chicago for a long holiday weekend. instead of going down. it's always been -- we always joke. it's always, oh, joe! or oh, mika! and it's like they are the first people that have ever been in the white house and everybody that's been there before them have been stooges and, you know, the social media thing when he says something like that, i just roll my eyes and go, my god, they really don't get it.
isis is different. isis is even different. >> thank you for saying that. >> than osama bin laden who depended on having a rich daddy to be able to fund a lot of things. these people are sweeping up territory the size of jordan and they are grabbing control of hundreds of millions of dollars of american passports. they are a grave threat and it has nothing to do with twitter. it has something to do with -- >> terrorism not the tweets. >> it's terrorism, not the tweets. >> the hard thing i think for a leader is like when roosevelt recognized that the nazi were something difference than we had ever seen before and he started to talk about quarantining the dictators. the country wasn't ready for it. they said you are going to be impeached! how can you do that? he said a terrible thing to lead a parade and look behind and nobody is following you. he has to start leading that parade now. i think he has to get out of washington. one of the things that teddy roosevelt would do is talk at
village stations in simple language and carry a big stick. people have to understand this isis thing as clearly as we understood what it meant to be an arsenal of democracy for britain. when you're going into big moments and the military clearly has talked more than they have talked for a decade about the scariness of something. when you see those guys with the black flags marching along. >> what started in 1979 in iran has finally led us to this point and i suppose it was always inevitable we would get to this point, but we have a truly deadly force that could cause grave damage and doris talks about the fdr quote about being in a parade and nobody being behind him. if he gets out to middle america like kay hagan and al franken and other democrats who are suddenly certainly starting to sound more like john mccain and lindsey graham than the president chances are good he will hear a lot of americans very concerned about this threat and they will want action.
>> i think he has to be incredibly careful with his words and while theater is important in this case, we have seen leaders use the wrong words and them have real implications as well. there is so much to get to this morning. doris, thank you so much for coming in. still ahead on "morning joe," a democratic candidate for u.s. senate drops out of the race in kansas, but what is claire mccaskill have to do with that? we will talk with her about that and much more live at the top much our 8:00 hour. plus, a five-foot long albino is on the loose in california. chuck todd is going to weigh in on bob mcdonnell's convict shn and preview his big interview with the president this weekend. you're watching "morning joe." we will be right back. ♪ you're watching "morning joe." we will be right back. ♪ at 1-800-dentist, we're about one thing.
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extraordinary photo of bob mcdonnell getting into his car and friends and family members behind him in what was an extraordinarily painful day for that family. >> we will get to that in a moment. another look at the morning papers. the "los angeles times," a venomous albino cobra was finally caught yesterday after keeping a california neighborhood on edge since wednesday. i'm serious. animal control officers found the snake not far from where it bit a dog two days ago. the dog is going to make a full recovery. nearby residents on high alert because a cobra bite can kill a human within an hour. the owner is yet to come forward. it is illegal to own this type of cobra in california. the snake didn't go quietly. one with its own twitter account and provided colorf fuful commey
leading up to the capture. >> six children burned at a museum in reno, nevada. the incident occurring when a live tornado storm demonstration. >> oh, my gosh! >> caused the explosion and the ensuing fire. officials say an incorrect chemical mixture was to blame there. nine people were taken to the hospital, four others were treated at the scene. >> oh, my gosh! that's horrible! >> that is horrible! i cannot believe they got that on video! >> all on video. >> this from the cleveland plain dealer. cleveland browns wide receiver josh gordon is going to be taking a job as a car salesman during a season long suspension. gordon is expected to put 40 hours a week at the dealership in while learning the auto business and will serve as a go goodwill ambassador working with wounded vets and the dealership will foot the gbill for the gym
membership. he was tested positive for marijuana. we have the nfl kicks this guy out of the league for a year for smoking pot, and another guy that beat his wife-to-be senseless until she passed out is going to be playing football in a couple of weeks. it's outrageous! >> another case came up with a pregnant wife, a player. we will see what happens. we will see what happens with that. san francisco chronicle, google reaching 19 million settlement with the ftc in an in-app purchases made by kids. customers claiming their kids were making purchases without proper parental approval while using various apps. apple agreeing to a similar settlement over $32 million that happened in january. former virginia governor bob mcdonnell and his wife maureen have been found guilty on federal corruption charges.
he is the state's first governor ever to be charged, let alone, convicted. there is the front page of the " "richmond times dispatch." he rejected a plea deal early on that could have spared his wife and reduced his felony count to just one. as the jury read each guilty verdict in court 11 times for him and nine for her, the mcdonnell's and their children wept openly. "the new york times" reports his head dropped nearly to the table at which he sat. >> this is a difficult and disappointing day for the commonwealth when public officials turn to financial gain in exchange for official acts, we have little choice but to prosecute the case. >> anything to say for all of the virginians watching out there? >> all i can say is my trust remains in the lord. >> the couple plans to appeal but faces decades in federal prison when sentencing begins next year. >> let's bring in nbc news
political director and moderator of "meet the press" chuck todd and a reporter covering the trial from the beginning. >> valerie berlane and eugene robinson is bus. >> chuck, let's begin with you. a stunning fall from grace but really just a couple of years ago this guy was on the short list to be vice president of the united states. >> and remember the introduction of paul ryan who introduced mitt romney. it was bob mcdonnell that was in virginia. i mean, that was two years ago. i think we're like two years ago and three weeks. it is sort of beyond stunning. but, you know, joe, remember john roland, the former connecticut governor? >> yes. >> same thing. this vanity thing that sometimes hits these politicians that don't have a lot of money but they are surrounded by donors and so-called friend who do have a lot of money. and i think they start
rationalizing and sit there and think, geese, look at all of these people that are making money off of policies. i've done or off of things that i've done. what is wrong with me taking an airplane ride here? i'm not going to let it impact what i've decided? or what is wrong with me doing this? i'm just trying to get a loan. you see and all of a sudden they are rationalizing their way to corruption. happened to john row land in connecticut. it really is this sort of odd vanity thing that hits some of these politicians. >> in the case of john and patty roland, there are similarities. they had a lake house in connecticut and tons of work done on it with ties and to people who were in the public sphere with the governor. then he went back at it again later after getting in trouble. >> gene robinson, you had predicted a couple of days that it was going to look bad, things were going to look bad for the mcdonald's because of the jury instructions. i was surprised by the verdict.
when breaking news came across my iphone i could believe it and i went back to what you said before. the judge's jury instructions was so expansive that it set the mcdonald's up and put more of a presumption on them. >> right. they are going to appeal the verdict and good luck with that, frankly, with the fourth circuit in richmond which is a tough court. but, you know, "the washington post" talked to -- our reporters talked to several of the jurors and one said this was a tough decision because it was tough to go into that courtroom and look at this nice family and tell them they were going to prison. but it wasn't a difficult decision, given the facts that were laid before them. and they kind of used their common sense and said, you know, if he were not governor of virginia in a position to do these nice things for this businessman who gave them all of this money and these gifts would he have gotten all of this stuff? the answer was clearly no.
>> valerie, covering the story, you've been on the show talking about it, it just seemed like they were creating this kind of mock attempt to defend themselves. was there anything in court that chose the other side why this potentially could have worked? i just -- i don't get it actually what they tried to do. >> a lot has been made about the so-called nut bag defense of saying mrs. mcdonald had some crazy disability and some problems. but i talked with several defense lawyers last night who said, look, it was incumbent on the defense to give the best case they possibly could for their clients and with a conspiracy like this it's very he important to show these two people didn't communicate. it wasn't that they asserted they had a prone marriage. the defense lawyers tried to present evidence that showed that in the children's testimony and e-mails and things of that nature. >> chuck, is that why you think the crush defense didn't work
and the governor should have had a smarter, wiser defense strategy? >> it kind of didn't past the common sense test. i'm with joe. i was surprised too because of virginia's law. virginia's ethics law is so look. look. there is going to be an appeal. i tell you the defense was so ham-handed, right? this idea that, oh, our marriage stinks so that is why with we couldn't have done that. so they had to almost like create a whole new set of -- a whole new set of facts that, at the time, didn't make any sense and we saw pictures of them holding hands and all of this. so it came less believable. >> valerie, final word? >> i'm not sure that is -- i see you point, but i think what the prosecution did so effectively is disarm that argument with the photos you mentioned with loving e-mails and records of their own that showed how many nights the mcdonald's spent together in the mansion. so i think the defense -- i
talked with several white collared defense lawyers who defend these kind of case, they had, look. they made a good case. the prosecution was just able to disarm it and then also convince the jury it didn't matter. >> wow. valerie, thank you very much. eugene, stay with us. chuck, you've got a big interview on "meet the press" this weekend. >> yes. we do. mr. obama. the president after his trip, sat down with him tomorrow and a lot going on between isis and think about it, immigration, putin, only have 30 minutes. i feel like we need two hours so we will see -- >> you have a great team with you. chuck, congratulates. >> congratulations to you, buddy. i'll see you sunday. >> i'll see you sunday. >> all right, brother. >> congratulations. coming up, this is a story that chuck knows and a lot of baseball fans know. it's an amazing story. >> why? >> with no chance of coming down from an lsd high, doc ellis pitched the game of his life. i mean, this was -- i mean, as unbelievable.
he was on acid. >> no. >> he almost got taken out early because he kept hitting people with the ball. they kept him in long enough to pitch a no-hitter on lsd. >> no. >> yes. >> that's not good. >> lucy in the sky with diamonds on the mound! straight ahead. first, sass, self dr deprecation and a sharp tongue. "morning joe" will remember joan rivers, the late comedienne, next. ♪ [ girl ] my mom, she makes underwater fans that are powered by the moon. ♪ she can print amazing things, right from her computer.
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this, it would mean that nobody wants me, that everything i ever tried to do in life didn't work and nobody cared and i've been totally forgotten. >> that was a clip from the 2010 documentary. jones rivers, a piece of work. with us now is a executive producer of the film, ricky stern. thank you for coming in. >> mika has been tearing up this morning and i see tears in your eyes right now. >> it's hard to watch. >> your mom was best friends with joan and told you to do this? >> my mom, we had just finished a film. my film partner and i on dar 4 and the diva, and dar 4. he said you have to walk coundo the street to joan. she will stop and say to the police officers, i'm coming back. i'll before you you pie. i'll bring you coffee. she had a way to bring joi
everybody. >> you stayed with her a year doing this. what did you find? >> honestly when i went into it, i didn't even know that joan rivers was going to be funny because she seemed like she had passed her prime and i didn't get her jokes but the minute i met her, there was so much warmth and kindness which is surprising. people don't expect it in her who don't know her and she was so funny. she was so smart and quick and just able to either just come up with something at the drop of a hat. >> i want to say it's a great film. i've seen it and terrific and good to have that to remember her by. i got the impression watching it and her there was absolutely no filter. she was brutal but she was also brutally honest. that is true? was this any guiel or anything you noticed in her when you were doing this? >> i think joan would say she is a truth-teller. a lot of her humor was really self deprecating. people might say she was critical of others but, quite
honestly, she really turned the camera on herself a lot and she was really just -- if anything, she didn't want to hurt people's feelings, which i know seems stupid to say, but it is true. in the film when she saw the film the only issue she said was off the cuff and truth telling. >> here is joan on her huge catalog of jokes in the documentary. >> every time i write a joke, i try to remember to get it on a card. why should a woman cook? so her husband can say my wife makes a delicious case to some hooker? ha ha. you wonder why i'm still working at this age. people think it comes so easily. they have no idea what you're doing is a terrifically difficult thing to do, and i prepare like a crazy lady. >> what people might not know about her, she was a workaholic. i remember her at 79 telling me what was going on in per week
and i wanted to pass out hearing about it. >> i think people, junk generations of comedians what they can take away from this is you with have to work and work and work and prepare and prepare and he joan did it because she loved her audience. as an actor or a performer you need an audience to do the thing you love so she kept working hard at it so she could have that audience and she could perform and she loved her fans. >> we wouldn't put her on the couch except you followed her around for a year. so you know. what void was she trying to fill? what was she running from and what was she trying to stay ahead of? >> love. she was always looking for love. she has a wonderful daughter who she loves and her grandson who she is very close with and her husband at the time who took his life and committed sued and was very hard. i think it was just the sense of making people laugh was her way of giving in many ways. >> did that suicide change her? >> i'm sure it did.
yeah. she would say it did, but i think -- joan always just wanted to make people laugh and her daughter says in the movie, you know, laugh at me, laugh with me, it doesn't matter, just laugh. >> ricky stern, thank you so much for coming. >> dar iv and the diva. a wide range. >> great work. a man who took performance-enhancing drugs to the next level. why doc ellis no-hitter remains one of baseball's most memorable games. >> he kept hitting players. unbelievable. rising star to convicted by a jury. talk on the road that was bob mcdonnell's career next on "morning joe." i have an agent. i have a manager. i have a business manager. a pr lady. two assistants. and a lawyer. we forget the lawyers. there are then certain relatives
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♪ he occupied the same office as thomas jefferson and patrick henry. bob mcdonnell was poised to have a political career just as lasting. what ended as a greek tragedy began as a story of unbelievable promise. >> doesn't matter how many all americans or pros on the roster it's all about gameday. you got to have people showing up on gameday to get the win. >> reporter: bob mcdonnell was a political thoroughbred. enter 2009 he was swept in office defying democratic power in the state. >> we still talk about your gain! campaign. >> we do.
>> because it was such an example. >> reporter: just days in office and he was already rebutting the state of the union on national tv. >> we want results, not rhetoric. we want cooperation, not partisanship. >> reporter: and it wasn't long before 2012 talks started. mcdonnell for president? and later as running mate. >> imagine how much better off we are going to be with president mitt romney in office. >> reporter: but as his term in office came to a close, the allegations began. loans and gifts from a donor, rides in jonnie williams ferrari and lavish trips and shopping sprees for the first lady and tens of thousands of dollars worth. >> fbi agents now interviewing a number folks, governor, about the relationship between you, your family, and that of a major campaign contributor. >> reporter: at first, the denials were calm and collected. >> because there is nothing that is going on in in any way impairs my ability to be an effective governor. nothing has been done with regard to my relationship with
mr. williams or his company star scientific. >> reporter: but they quickly turned into humble apologies. >> bob, you've had a lot of problems. ethics complaints. people coming after you from all sides. >> look, i'm not perfect, i'd made some mistakes. i acknowledge those and repaid -- returned the gifts and repaid back the loans. >> reporter: all the while he denied he had done anything illegal even vowing to reform virginia's ethics laws and despite the investigation, his popularity remained high, even higher than the president's. >> unemployment right now? >> down to 8%. i created about 180,000 jobs and for business according to "forbes" magazines and that means more jobs. >> reporter: the end undid the beginning. the news cameras that focused on his rise now trained on his unstoppable fall. at trial, he dragged his marriage and his wife through the mud to bolster his own defense. and in the end, it simply didn't work.
>> anything to say for all of the virginians watching out there? >> all i can say is my trust remains in the lord. >> when you look back on when we were following his campaign and his rise to the governorship, you can't underestimate the potential he had. >> no, he recall can't. i would just say that everybody likes to kicks others when you're down. i mean, you know, i don't care whether it's eliot spitzer or john edwards or mark sanford or bob mcdonnell here. you don't kick people when they are down. >> it's a family tragedy. >> it is. and it's sad. people should show a little bit of humanity and not treat people as a blood sport when they are done. still ahead, senator claire mccaskill will join us on the set. first, how one lsd trip was able to take doc ellis to a higher level. is this sending a good message, joe? >> probably not. kids, don't drop acid at home before you play your little league game.
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♪ during a time when i was pitching the no-hitter in san diego, i really didn't know -- i didn't see hitters. all i could tell was if they was on the ride or the left side. and as far as seeing the target, the catcher put tape on his fingers so i could see the
signals. but as far as seeing the batter himself, i didn't really see anything. ♪ the opposing team and my teammates, they knew i was high but didn't know what i was high on. >> that was a clip from no no, a documentary that looks at doc ellis and his claim that he pitched a no-hitter in 1970 while high on lsd. joining us now, the film's director, jeffrey radice and tom reich. >> this is a story that lives in folklore. all fathers tell their little boys this story when they turn a certain age. you say you want to get away from the lsd part of it, but i've never dropped acid, but i'm a musician and have a lot of friends who have. they sit here in wonderment that this guy could have ever gotten
on the mound in that condition, let alone pitched a no-hitter. >> so the lsd story is interesting because this is what perpetuated doc's legacy. i think if you have been pitching your whole life and you've got the muscle memory and you're used to doing it, it just came natural. >> so he didn't even see the batters. >> he saw the catcher's mitt. >> he also, though, hit two batters, walked eight, six more. >> walked eight. >> holy cow, and still a no-hitter out of it. >> that's incredible. he had some help with a diving catch in that game. >> so tell us what -- he doesn't really talk about it that much now, does he? >> i met him later that year and i started to -- you weren't allowed to have representation then, but we kind of forced it -- well, not kind of, we forced it. he never -- and we knew each other. we spent an incredible amount of
time in the next six or seven years, and he never talked about the no-hitter. he never talked about that kind of stuff and he never did drugs in front of me. doc was very smart and he was very intuitive. and when he had respect for people, he didn't do his thing with them. he would do it with his homeys. >> gene robinson, obviously we all remember this story about the no-hitter but also a strange no-hitter without even knowing he dropped acid before the game. when you heard that he did, you said maybe that's why he hit two batters and walked eight. >> right. and one wonders, you know, maybe he just became so fixated on the strike zone that at some point he couldn't miss it. although it's fascinating that he says he didn't know which batter was which and who was who. he just looked at the tape on the catcher's fingers.
you know, what about, though, the rest of doc ellis' career. and if he didn't talk about that, then what phase of his career did he talk about? >> well, we talked mostly about -- that was a terrible, ugly era for racial relations and discrimination. and that was real. he stood up big-time in every way, and he had his own way of exemplifying what was wrong. it's an ugly era in america. it's how i got involved in the first place, because the black players and hispanic players were treated like garbage. >> he was one of the first ones to speak up. he really kind of called out major league baseball, i think it was '71 where vida blue was the dominant pitcher in the a.l. and said there's no way they're going to start two african-americans or two blacks -- >> and here's a clip from "no
no" that looks at how doc ellis changed the game of baseball for future african-american players. >> we talked about race but in a way that was really accessible and sort of logical. he seemed to bend the rules or chafe against authority a little bit. >> there hasn't been a hell of a lot of progress made in terms of the comfort level of players of color since jackie robinson. doc was one of the most impactful guys in regard to those issues that has ever come down the pike. >> a lot of people do not understand him. but if some people say that he didn't know what he was doing, that's wrong. he knew what he was doing. he always knew what he was doing. >> this looks fascinating, "no no," a documentary is out in limited release today and also available on itunes. jeff and tom, thank you so much for being on the set this morning. >> i can't wait to see it. >> he did a fantastic job. >> it looks great. >> it's his party, let me tell
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and they all thought i stank and you were the first one to say i was funny. >> there had never been anyone like her and she changed the game for all who followed her. >> joan rivers passed away at the age of 81 yesterday. you can't stop discovering new things about her, when you look at her body of work. >> this comedienne and actress, writer and producer, pioneer and tv host, humor was everything. >> i love performing, i love what the audience gives you. i'm so happy to have people i can laugh with. >> over seas the growing threat by isis militants dominated the meeting of nato leaders. >> in what many are calling the most important nato summit since the group formed. >> these people are sweeping up territory the size of jordan. they are a grave threat. >> what we're closer to now is making sure we do everything we
can to squeeze this dreadful organization out of existence. >> all i can say is my trust remains in the lord. >> former virginia governor bob mcdonnell and his wife, maureen, were found guilty today of taking bribes from a businessman. >> i look at him and i roll my eyes. i say how in the world can they go, that is dead wrong. but you know what, i do a lot of things that are dead wrong every day and yet i'm not going to federal prison. i want to know when the united states government decided to get involved in a state's business. >> we're very disappointed but we're not deterred. this fight is a long way from over. >> it's about to get ugly here. it's about to get ugly here. >> get on your knees and apologize in public. >> we're walking around the streets here, or going across america, what do people say to you about me? that i love too much. >> that i can say on tv. >> that i care to a fault, right? >> that's what they tell me. >> and i always believe if you do that, you get that in return. and yet claire mccaskill comes
here and she hates when loving would be so much easier. telling me that the red sox -- >> i love telling you the red sox are 21 1/2 games out. that's what i love. i told you, i told you we'd be back this year and you would not be. >> i had no idea they were 21 1/2 games out and you even know how much they lost by. >> two walk-offs in the ninth with the yankees. two walk-offs in the ninth. >> you stop now. >> so let's go to the other side of it. the cardinals. how are the cardinals doing? >> we're four games in first place. we just swept pittsburgh and last night we beat milwaukee. >> we've got a lot of viewers in the central time zone. i am a central time zone guy. how maddening is it to you to live and be a st. louis cardinals fan and continually, you talked about the east coast snobs, even people from missouri that move to new york, you guys have the most extraordinary franchise year in, year out,
year in, year out, unlike the yankees. you don't buy championships. >> that's correct. we don't have that payroll. >> it's got to be pretty frustrating, but you guys just keep winning. albert pujols leaves and everybody goes that's over. >> no, no, it's not over. we have a wonderful farm system, we have a great organization. the fans are truly, i believe -- i know everybody says they're the best -- their fans are the best in baseball. but our stadium is full every night. i look around the league, even those teams that are in first place and they're not filling their stadium every night. we fill our stadium every night. and kansas city is in first place, by the way, speaking of the midwest. >> the royals? >> kansas city and st. louis are both in first place. >> she knows her sports. she walks in the room locked and loaded taking you down before we're even on the air. i almost felt sorry for joe. almost. >> let's don't go there. >> so let's talk -- >> there's a ways to go before there's sympathy. >> claire, i found myself in an
unusual position over the last week telling people to take a deep breath and not jump on the commander in chief. i think in part because we are in a time of crisis like we haven't been in quite some time. okay, he screwed up in the press conference and said something he shouldn't have said, he said it inartfully, but do you have people in missouri in the middle of america saying, boy, we want to rush into war right now. are they cutting the president a little bit of slack to give him time to get a coalition together and do this right? >> well, i think people still remember that we rushed into iraq, and it hasn't obviously turned out that well long term because the underlying political problems are so difficult. this is really about sunni moderates abandoning the notion of a united iraq because they were so frustrated about being excluded. >> with maliki, obviously. >> so the moderate sunnis will not stay with isis forever. they don't want their children's hands cut off for listening to
music. >> how dangerous is this for us, though. they have hundreds of millions of dollars, they're sweeping up territory the size of jordan, they have got american passports, they want to come and kill a lot of americans. how dangerous is it and do you believe we do have to act aggressively against isis? >> i think we have to act carefully and i think we have to have intelligence. as you see when we first talked about trying to help in iraq, we waited until we had people on the ground and we had the intelligence and our air strikes have been effective. we have turned them back. i think the same kind of analysis is now going on in other places. what can we do surgically and strategically that will support wiping out this horrible, extreme terrorist organization but at the same time not get us into a sticky wicket that we don't really have any way of getting out of. >> are you hopeful, as i am, that you have other arab countries who are finally stepping forward, speaking out
against other islamic extremists? i see the uae, i think that's hopeful, egypt going after extremists in libya. do you think we may be actually turning the page in our foreign policy to a time where we don't have to have these unilateral attacks on muslim countries? >> if you look at what went on in nato yesterday and the day before, obviously the president is spending a lot of time getting europe with it in terms of tightening the screws. >> is that frustrating for you not only on how they have reacted to putin but also to the isis threat? do you think europe is, as i say, taking a vacation. >> they haven't had as a robust recovery with their economy, they are still in much more of a hangover from the financial crisis than we are. we still have growth that we can enjoy but we are in a much stronger position economically than they were. so i think that's part of it is their political environment is a little more difficult. but he is getting everyone
together. they are going to ramp up more sanctions on russia and he's spending time along with hagel and kerry talking to everyone at nato about isis. but the beheadings by isis horrify everyone. they horrify our arab allies, they horrify europe, they horrify the world so i think this is a no-brainer that we ought to do the due diligence to get everybody united. >> i want to ask you about kansas. we had the democrat, chad taylor, who withdrew from the race. >> are you involved in this like the todd akin thing? you should still be ashamed of what you did in that race, claire, and what you have done to the republican brand for funneling money to todd akin. >> ridiculous. >> by the way, can i just say i love you for doing that. >> by the way, it's going to be all in the book exactly how we did it. >> i can't wait to read your book. >> when does the book come out?
>> i don't know yet. >> she's been a little busy. >> a little busy. i talked to chad taylor, he's a great guy. i talked to him. he was wrestling with a really hard decision. you know, he was facing a campaign without a lot of resources. he wanted to run but he had, you know, questions about it and so we had a discussion, a free-ranging discussion where i tried to give him the best advice i could on a personal level. he is a great guy and a good man. >> what did you tell him? >> i told him that he needed to think about what the outcomes could be either way and kind of think those through. and he decided to not pursue it and then went to the secretary of state's office and said what do i need to do to legally withdraw. the secretary of state's office, this was all in his statement yesterday, they approved the language. he showed them what he was going to turn in and they said, yes, that's fine, this will do it. he turns it in and then the next day -- >> they're saying it's invalid now. >> the secretary of state who is on pat roberts' steering committee says, no, the language
wasn't right in the letter, putting his finger on the scales. it's really not good. not good. >> interesting. okay, i want to ask about hillary clinton, but you're ready for hillary, right? >> i am. >> elizabeth warren talked about being worried about her ties to wall street and big money. she was worried about that. are you worried about that being a bad message as she's trying to really connect with america at a time when wages are really going to be a big issue and disparity, i think, is worse than ever, and corporate profits are still strong? is this going to be a problem for her? and how would you characterize how you feel about that? >> first of all, i don't think that hillary clinton's image is one that is, you know, tied to wall street. i think she has spent a career working to help families, to work for the middle class, to become an expert on foreign policy. if you look at her history and the policy she has worked for in
her long public service career, i think the american people should be nothing but reassured about where her priorities are. they are firmly with the middle class in this country and making sure that we have a level playing field for everyone so people have the same opportunities that she and her husband had coming from, you know, just kind of average families. >> i don't dispute anything you just said. having said that, there are these huge speech payments and also relationship with wall street that exists, unlike perhaps other potential candidates. >> she is a senator from new york. it would -- every senator from new york has to have some relationship with the financial sector, it's part of the state they represent. having said that, you know, i think we ought to talk about all the presidents and all the first ladies who get big speech fees. >> i think it's actually amazing that she garners a good salary. >> finally, finally women speaking and getting paid. when you look at bush and all the money they have made traveling around giving speeches, i don't know why her
giving speeches should somehow -- the fact that she's compensated for it should somehow disqualify her from leading this nation. >> can i just say i'm very resentful that she gets paid that much for her speeches. i'd like to get paid that much for speeches. first of all, donny, you're a big liberal, a left wing, upper east sider. usa today weekend, al qaeda eclipsed by brutal islamic state. i'm going to ask claire this question later but i'm going to ask you. mika and i said earlier this week, i had a friend ask me is new york city still a safe place to raise a family. mika had a friend that was visibly shaken in a way mika said she hasn't seen people shaken up since 9/11. what are your friends saying, even the liberals? and let's just talk about it, let's put it on the table. because i hear nothing but frustration about barack obama. and actually some liberals saying to me i think you're taking it a little easy on the president. >> everybody at least and the brighter they are understand this is terror incorporated and
this is an evil we have not seen. to your pointing, the size of jordan they occupy. and they have money, they're funded. they're not guys in caves. >> right. what are your liberal friends saying? >> the liberal friends and everybody in this country says something needs to be done. this is -- you can go back to nazi germany and you can't turn your head. >> are they concerned about the president -- >> having said that, it's very easy to say, and, senator, you weren't on when i said this, i was on as a guest when the president said we don't have a strategy yet. coming off of shoot first, ask questions later, something has to be done. the jury is out. there is a moment in time here and i believe this president will step up. >> so what do your friends -- >> my friends are frightened. my friends are frightened. people who -- people -- i've never -- >> are they worried about the president's leadership? >> they're worried about the world and this country. you know, they're not politicizing it. they're just frightened. the smarter they are, the more frightened they are. >> the debate has been about
whether or not we have a strategy. i thought the more interesting debate was whether or not -- what the president said also, which is can you make this terror threat manageable. and it goes back -- that debate has been happening since john kerry in 2004 where he talked about making terrorism into a law enforcement problem, not a military problem. and it's a question that other societies grapple with, like israel, for instance, who has to endure the stuff day in and day out. i'm curious what your thoughts are. do we have to reconsider our notions of how to deal with the terror threat? can we make it manageable or is it something that is going to have to be stamped out militarily? >> well, first of all, i think you have to, before you even think about that, you need to contemplate what that looks like if you try to stamp it out militarily. you have to understand there are cells all over the world. and i think what we have done as a nation after 9/11 is really all about -- and frankly it's one of the debates that we have. how far do we go with our intelligence gathering capabilities and when do we start stepping on people's rights in this country in that
effort. so militarily stamping it out, that sounds great in the abstract but actually how you do that is something that -- and that's one of the things that goes on when we have these crises. well, what would you be doing and how would you be doing it? he's the only one that is in a position to actually make those decisions. that's why if you really know what's going on inside the white house, he is very close to his military advisers, very close to the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff and all of the leaders of each branch of the military and to hagel, and they are in constant communication and the intelligence community. so they are doing everything they can to manage a terrorist threat in the most effective way possible. wiping it out, i don't know that we even know what that would look like in terms of what we'd have to deploy around the world in terms of boots on the ground. >> let's go gene robinson. >> another big issue to talk
about. >> gene, to you. >> senator mccaskill, attorney general eric holder announced there's going to be a federal civil rights investigation of the ferguson police. i wondered if you supported that investigation, that idea, and what you thought -- what you thought of that situation? >> i'm very glad he's doing it. he's doing the investigation into ferguson on their practices and patterns. he's also doing a cooperative investigation with the st. louis county police department. they have asked in a cooperative fashion, please talk to us and investigate how we handled. they are the department that in fact militarized the response at one point during this unrest in ferguson, and that's really the good news that got missed yesterday. not only are they going to look at ferguson in a cooperative fashion, the county police are saying, hey, help us be better.
we want to get better. of course for me in st. louis that's the best sign of all. >> have they said please take away our armored vehicles? >> i don't think they have said that yet, but we're going to have a hearing on that next tuesday. >> you're holding those, right? >> holding the hearing on these three programs. it's not just one. it's been talked about there's just the defense program but there's also one at the department of justice and another one at department of homeland security and no one has really taken a comprehensive look in terms of oversight of these three programs and we'll do that next tuesday. >> and training. >> why don't all police officers wear cameras. >> that's what i'm going to try to insist on. if we're going to provide federal funds to police departments, let's start with providing money for cameras and say until you have cameras, you don't get anything else. it's only a matter of time. it's great for police officers to have them because now with people with cell phones, somebody might tape the last of an altercation with a police officer and not tape the beginning of it and you wouldn't now it began. >> we showed an example of this on the air last week where you
had a guy that from the dash cam it looked like the police officer had been tough on the guy. he had a body camera on -- >> changes the story completely. >> and you could see this guy came around and started swinging wildly on him. >> senator claire mccaskill. >> it's fun to be here and meet you guys in the flesh. >> go royals and go cardinals. >> he needs that every once in a while. everybody comes on and is so def deferential to him. >> enough is enough. >> since you said that, that is going to happen. >> i think it doesn't -- i heard from the white house as well. >> the white house has also issued complaints. >> it's just television. >> i like the music. >> it gets my heart racing. >> claire, done. and there was not a quid pro quo, don't worry, we're good. >> i don't want a rolex and i love my husband.
>> okay, okay. gene, thank you as well. coming up on "morning joe" what would have happened if elvis presley's twin brother had survived? that's the big question raised in ray liotta's film "the identical." out of nowhere he'll join us later in this hour. and then super sized shrimp cocktail. how a fisherman discovered this 18-inch long shrimp. ew! speaking of ew, here's bill karins with a check on the forecast. >> all right. weekend forecast time. we have severe storms to deal with and then a beautiful air mass behind it. today indianapolis all the way down into areas of central indiana and back up to detroit and cleveland, strong, damaging winds with the storms later tonight. your relief comes tomorrow with a beautiful saturday. new england on sunday, the strong storms come through your area, portland, boston, hartford, all the way down to new york city. it's going to be a hot, humid day and then the storms will erupt and they could contain
dangerous lightning and gusty winds. here's your weekend forecast. already we are watching that beautiful air heading into the northern plains today. unfortunately for the southeast, especially the beaches of east florida all the way up through georgia, south carolina and north carolina, not a good beach weekend. a lot of rain near the coast and even some waves. there's those storms in the east. and then finally on sunday, a lot of areas get some beautiful relief, starting to feel a little bit like fall out there. 82 in d.c. is more like it after a very hot, steamy week that continues this morning. we leave you with a shot of washington, d.c. you can feel that humidity creeping in. storms for you saturday night. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back.
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kids all over the country are going back to school this week. we sent our writer, arthur, down to the street to ask them what they thought about going back to school. the only catch was they had to dance the entire time that they answered. >> how do you feel about going back to school. >> going back to school is pretty annoying because of the all the classes and the home works and the test. >> there's a long commute this year. i have to take the train in. i'm not excited about how early i have to wake up. >> i don't like history, it's bore, i don't want to learn it. >> i fall asleep half the time. >> i hate science. >> boring and lame and stupid because of social studies and science and math. >> i like math and learning. >> kids are the best. >> so cute. another look at the morning
papers. we're going to start with "usa today." a florida fisherman made a shocking catch when he successfully reeled in a giant shrimp. >> and it's big. >> officials say the crustacean was 18 inches long and had to be grabbed from the back like a lobster in order to be removed from the water. scientists are unsure of the species of the shrimp but plan on investigating. >> 18 inches? >> ew! >> that's kinds of gross. >> yuck. okay, moving on. >> i don't think i'm going to eat shrimp a couple of days. >> "the washington post," scientists have discovered the remains of the largest dinosaur in history weighing in at an astounding 65 tons. >> oh, my god. >> that would be commonly referred to dregnautus. >> which appropriately means fears nothing, was discovered in the hills of argentina. i put the emphasis on the wrong syllable. the dino's 65-ton weight is
heavier than a boeing 737 jet. fears nothing. >> "the daily news." a florida mother is outraged after she says her teenager was forced to wear a, quote, shame suit following a school dress code violation. the teen was told to change into a bright yellow shirt and red sweat pants that had the words "dress code violation" on them after school officials teamed her skirt too short. the mother said she and her daughter did not realize the skirt was a violation and the emotional stress caused her daughter to break out into hives. the school says the student who broke the dress code, students who do that are given the option to change into the outfit, accept an in-school suspension or have someone bring a change of clothing. the mother claims her child was not given an option. >> a shame suit. have you ever worn a shame suit? >> we had to wear school uniforms, which were, you
know -- >> that's it. >> we had a dress code. >> did you like school uniforms? >> it made it easy. takes all the guesswork out of it. >> especially for girls, i think especially. the pressure for the girls. >> and for the mothers. >> and for the moms, yeah. so much easier. >> and it was all the same colors. and kids can't make fun of other kids. >> across america we should do that. >> the shoes were all the same, everything. >> all about school uniforms. >> then you just wear the same thing every day. >> we should do that here. >> that's me actually because i wear the same thing every day. when i spill things -- >> we take you down under. "the daily mail" stay tuned were banned from doing hand stands and cart wheels on the playground. the decision comes after several students got injured while performing, quote, cheerleading style stunts so the parents were split, feeling it prevents kids from being kids, others
believing that the move is proper safety and helps kids be safer out there. the school board said while it's critical of the ban it supports the school and its principal to make these types of decisions so the school thoughts the kids were getting a little too, maybe daring in the stunts they were pulling off. >> this next story is for us, mika. >> "the toronto sun." new research suggests a lack of sleep may cause the brain to shrink. >> that explains a lot. >> the journal of neurology published findings. scientists say a third of the subjects who cited chronic sleeping issues also suffered from tissue shrinkage in their brains. sleep deprivation may have also been linked to high blood pressure and obesity. >> so it's shrinkage. that explains a lot. thank you so much. >> speaking of shrinkage, thank you so much. >> that water was cold. jimmy fallon gets physical on the tonight show with a
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joining us now for the must read opinion page is the host of msnbc's jose diaz-balart. good to have you on the show. >> great having you here. >> thank you. >> all right. let's start with "the new york times." roosevelts to the res ycue by timothy eagan. don't expect obama to be a roosevelt. he doesn't seen comfortable around strangers or fellow politicians. he's never learned to use his personal narrative to advance his politics. >> a lot of frustration from the base even. they want this president to be something that he's not, something he's never been. >> i've had the opportunity to be with him about nine or ten times in different interview its, even in off the records, and he is a warm person. >> very engaging person.
>> very engaging, he's very bright, he's very passionate. >> and i do tell people when they say guys, he's so cold and distant. i said no, not in person. in person he's very likeable. >> very smart, very engaged. >> but it doesn't transfer. >> it doesn't transfer into the larger public persona. >> but i think this is more about leadership and saying what needs to be said to galvanize a nation. >> it does. >> well, he is not comfortable, mika, with theater. they have always said they're not comfortable with theater. and yet, you know, as doris kearns goodwin said, that's a big part of the job. i get to get to "the washington post." mr. mcdonnell's disgrace is also virginia's. this is about governor bob mcdonnell and his wife, maureen, and what happened in the past 24 hours, which is really an epic fall from grace. until today, too many politicians in richmond had convinced themselves of the commonwealth's alleged exceptionalism, the supposed
civility and ethical uprightness of the so-called virginia way. convinced of its own abiding rectitude, virginia's political class has refused to enact laws with teeth, to hold elected officials to decent standards of conduct in carrying out the people's business. at the least, the mcdonnell verdict should disabuse the old boys of their smug self righteousness and their conviction that the state's egregious absence of laws on public ethics is somehow all right. at the very end it should end once and for all the common view that legislation will not eradicate morale obtuseness. of course it won't, but a vacuum of laws will only encourage it. >> and there was a vacuum of laws that actually prevented the state of virginia from prosecuting this guy. >> the first governor in the history of virginia to be prosecuted in our country. i've got to tell you something, and this is very personal for me. my parents had to leave their country because of political freedom, the lack of it, and come to this country and see the extraordinary opportunities that
people have and to be in public service and to abuse it this way, it is grotesque. i don't care what state it's from, i don't care what level you're doing it, this should be a position of honor and that one takes very seriously. this is a grotesque representation of the worst in american politics -- >> honestly i think you're overreaching a little bit. i think we've seen a lot of grotesque and still, for me, and to joe's point earlier, a law was not broken. and there still has not been a straight line to, okay, i got the watch and you got this. >> do you think he got the watch because he's good looking or because -- >> i think we live in a country where you either break the law or don't break the law, right or law. >> it was determined he did break the law. that's the point of the verdict. >> well, to me i still don't see it. >> what did jonnie williams get for it? >> according to the jury, he got favorable treatment by the governor. >> in what way? >> who -- i mean there is one
anecdote in this "washington post" piece where the governor encouraged his own aides to hold a meeting six minutes after discussing a loan from jonnie williams. those are quid pro quos that amounted to essentially corruption. >> jonnie williams didn't run for anything, he wasn't a representative official, he wasn't working for the people. >> joe, you've been in politics a long time. maybe i'm crazy, but you get political donations and then you do favors for people. >> i've seen governors bring in the biggest crack pots and promote their products and hold conferences because -- they're not promoting the crack pots, they're promoting the state of florida or the state of virginia or the state of whatever. listen, we all think it's grotesque. i think what they did was grotesque too. >> during the trial was the worst. >> my god, i will tell you this. if bob mcdonnell had good lawyers, he wouldn't have been convicted. i would have got one person after another person after another person after another person to come to the state of virginia, talk about what bob
mcdonnell did for them. i'm like you, if there had been a smoking gun where jonnie williams had gotten something that people who didn't give a dime didn't get, that would be one thing. but you guys have been in the news for a very long time. i just don't second guess juries. you know what, because they sat there the whole time. >> didn't get the rolex because he's good looking. he didn't get the loan because he's good looking. >> that's why we get loans. >> that's right. >> you, because you're great looking. very good hair. >> there's that. now we've got breaking news. the labor department just released the monthly jobs reports and we're going to get the numbers now from cnbc's sara eisen. >> sara, how's it look? >> it's a disappointment, a big one. the economy only added 142,000 jobs during the month of august. economists were looking for a number above 200,000. 220,000 was the estimate. we only got 142,000. >> this is the first bad news we've had in a while, isn't it? >> it is the worst -- it is
actually the worst level of job creation in terms of the monthly number all year long. we were going solid above 200,000. i guess if you want to say something on the plus side, the unemployment rate did tick down to 6.1%. still, that could just be a reflection of fewer people working. this is not a good report, at least on the headline number. we were getting used to 200,000 jobs being created every month. 142. just to dig a little deeper where the jobs came from, where they missed. retail jobs were a negative. that had been a positive contributor, meaning that some of the big retailers in this country are not hiring or were not hiring in august. it could be a seasonal thing, happens during the summer and then they gear back up for back-to-school and then the holiday shopping season, but retail was a big drag. manufacturing did manage to create jobs, so that's a good sign and construction, but overall big disappointment. the data had been looking good, as you guys were saying, from everything, manufacturing to layoffs to services. i mean it was looking good.
but we'll see how the market takes this, guys. initially the dow dropped a little more than 50 points, at least on the futures, ahead of the open. they're pairing those losses on the idea that, hey, the economy might not be in good enough shape for the federal reserve to take its foot off the gas pedal in terms of the stimulus and the easy money, so it's kind of this perverse trade going on here, but not a good number. >> sara, thank you very much. jose, we'll be watching, jose diaz-balart at 10:00 eastern. >> and telemunne dough in the evenings and the "today" show this weekend. >> boom. you're a busy man. >> viva today is the hash tag, and i'll see you guys on telemundo. >> hold on a second, viva today. >> are you going to tweet that right now while we're live? that's really neat. >> unemployment numbers and no change in the african-american and hispanic unemployment numbers. >> over 11% for african-americans and 7.5% for the hispanics. >> i have a question for the table.
>> yes. >> coming up, how much would you pay for one kiss? >> with who? >> one kiss with actress elizabeth hurley. i don't know why we're asking you this. oh, my god. thank you, jose. >> you got that for free. coming up next, one of the most respected actors joins us. ray liotta is next and we'll hear the very interesting premise to his new movie. we love it. look at this. there's a stain on that chair. did ray put it there? we'll ask him when he returns.
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>> but you got the gift. every one of your teachers says so. >> they're not me, daddy. >> the things we make are the decisions that are made in haste, you understand. let's just slow down here and finish the school year -- >> daddy, daddy. i've already withdrawn. >> ryan, you dropped out of school? >> i dropped out yesterday. >> that was a scene from the new movie "the identical." joining the table as co-star of the film, especialmmy award win actor, ray liotta. >> that looks amazing. >> you've got brothers separated, identical twins. one becomes a huge star and the other, you and ashley judd as
parents want him to be a preacher. >> right. i'm a preacher and i want him to follow in the family business and spread the word of god. he just finds himself just -- he just has a really great musical talent himself and realizes that's what he wants to do and i'm not happy about it. it's a beautiful, beautiful movie. it's sweet. >> and talk about the concept, though. this is just a crazy concept. it would be as if elvis had an identical twin brother separated at birth. >> well, he did have a twin from what they say who died, a stillbirth, so this isn't like that story or what if. maybe the writer used some of that, i don't know that for sure. >> i didn't know he had a twin actually. that's incredible. so i'm just curious what caused the ruckus in the green room. >> there was no ruckus. >> you were throwing chairs against the wall. >> it was just your suede chairs are just old and stained and
dirty and gross. >> that's awful! >> in the green room and that little waiting room. horrible. >> really? we'll have to take a look at that before. >> it takes ray liotta to get us to change -- >> you guys do not hear. >> i'm scared now. >> donny is about to take credit for the stain. >> where's the big cheese. >> i've got a question. >> my question is can you clean the chairs or do you have to burn them? >> what do you suggest, ray? >> no, they're toast. >> ray, you are in two of my five favorite movies of all time, "goodfellas" and "field of dreams." when you see a script, do you know before that, wow, this is going to be there or it's still kind of in the stew, as you're doing it? >> well, especially those two movies, that was my third and fourth movie and i still was kind of new to it all. i remember reading the script for "field of dreams" and just
thought it was the silliest thing in the world, that this guy gets rid of his cornfield for a baseball field and hears voices. i couldn't -- i didn't get it. you hope every movie, you know, does well. those two definitely have taken on a life of their own. but, you know, some people like some movies and some people don't. >> that's funny, i want to ask you about that. is there a science to making a good movie? and how well can you actually tell in advance of it getting out there and being reviewed and seen by critics, how well do you know if it's going to succeed? >> you don't. >> you've got to know some -- >> a lot of the movies they say this was a very slow summer because i think they just keep repeating themselves and keep using the same formulas and don't take any chances. some people love those kinds of movies, some people don't. this is a beautifully sweet, faith-based movie. i'm sure some of the reviewers are not going to like it because
it's not edgy enough. then if you do it edgy, then it's too edgy for them. >> and "the identical" hits theaters today. is it personal for you? when i look at your life story and certain aspects about you and your past -- >> in this? >> yeah. >> there's a coincidence. i'm adopted and i adopt my son in this movie, i adopt a baby so i looked at it through my father's eyes but i didn't personalize it in any way. although when i do watch the movie, i only like watching them a couple times. >> it's got to be weird to watch your own movie. >> i haven't watched but half of them. >> have you ever seen "goodfellas." >> like twice. >> by the way, just so you know, it worked out okay. you said you didn't get it, it was a weird script. i remember george h.w. bush, they asked him and he said field of dreams. what did you think of it? he said i didn't get it.
and he was a baseball player. but this looks like a wonderful, absolutely wonderful movie. you're exactly right. you know, it's very easy to do something edgy and, oh, he's taking a chance. this is a chance in the other direction where you're basically saying i don't give a damn whether you think it's sentimental or not, a little too this or that, it's going to touch a lot of people. >> i think in the middle of the country it's going to play like gang busters, especially because of what's going on this day and age right now, the immediate see of it all. and i think faith is what helps people through times like this, and justify. i think it's a beautiful movie. >> "the identical" in theaters today. ray liotta, thank you so much. we'll clean up. >> even though you outed us, thank you. >> please. coming up next, tribute to the great joan rivers. keep it here on "morning joe." , which rewards her for responsibly managing
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talk about guts, she would come out here and sit in this chair and say some things that were unbelievable, just where you would have to swallow pretty hard and twice, but it was hilarious and she stood behind her jokes. and to my knowledge would say these things and never apologize because she always felt, hey, i'm a comedian, these are jokes. >> besides being a pioneer for women in comedy, for everyone in
comedy, joan was a very lucky person because she loved her job so much she never wanted to stop. she didn't have to stop because she was so great at it. >> she is a fearless, one of the -- i mean she would come out and just say what you were thinking but you wouldn't say it, you would stop, but she wouldn't stop, she's just say it. a lot of people thought her humor was mean but she just did it because she wanted to make everyone laugh. she could take a joke just as easily as she could dish it out. i love her so much, class act all the way. >> late night remembers joan rivers. she really was everything they say. >> she was so sweet. >> i know. i know. all right. well, now we're going to get ugly because we're going to go to hollyweird, i guess. something about paying for a kiss. really? >> i love that toss, mika, thank you. gisele bundchen took jimmy fallon to school, challenging him to some yoga moves. >> that would never happen to me. >> i can teach you that. i can teach you that. >> no, you can't teach me that.
>> yeah. how about we do a plank. >> what is that? >> i challenge you to do a plank. lift your body, strengthen your arms, squeeze your belly and be strong. >> i am being strong. >> this is me being strong. >> stay strong. >> you don't understand how hard this is not to look up. no, i mean the exercise, no, i mean the exercise. >> squeeze your belly. >> i'm squeezing my belly. >> now you can make it challenging. >> what do you mean make it challenging. you don't know how hard this is for me. >> put one leg up. >> no. >> yes. and then do a pushup. other leg, pushup. >> okay, that's it for me. daddy needs a nap. >> she's very athletic, like you, mika, very impressive stuff. now, what would you pay for one kiss with elizabeth hurley?
that very prize was auctioned off last night at a benefit for the elton john's foundation. a banker named julian barky forked over 50,000 pounds or what amounts to $80,000 for a brief makeout session with the british actress. he is the photo evidence that he got exactly what he paid for. it looks like they both thoroughly enjoyed that kiss, mika, and it was all for a good cause. >> okay. i just want to see the spider. louis, thank you very much. up next, newton spiders and everything else that we've learned today. this is the greatest video i think i've seen in years. we'll be right back.
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