0 >> good morning. it's friday, june 28th. great to have you with us and hope you're having a wonderful friday. it's going to be a beautiful day. with us chairman of deutsch inc, donny deutsch. visiting professor at nyu, former democratic congressman harold ford jr. >> good morning. >> msnbc's thomas roberts. >> good morning. >> in washington, pulitzer-prize winning columnist and associate editor of the "washington post" and msnbc political analyst eugene robinson and on capitol hill, nbc news capitol hill correspondent kelly o'donnell. talking about this historic vote. here we have "wall street journal" talking about how the immigration bill clears the senate. "the washington post," senate approves immigration bill. you can go on and on. and this is truly -- truly, eugene robinson, as historic a vote on any immigration bill, since the last immigration bill passed the house by the same margin. it was killed in the house. >> yeah. yeah. i mean -- >> i don't mean to be skeptical, but come on. >> look. there are reasons to be skeptical, number one, because the speaker of the house says he's not going to bring up the bill. but it is a historic moment. the senate did get it together to do something that everybody needed and knew needed to be done, but how was this going to happen? actually, this one question i had for you, joe, as a former member of the house, is there any chance that it could get through the house via a discharge petition, 218 members of the house could vote to bring up the senate bill, essentially taking john boehner off the hook, and getting an up or down vote, where it could pass? >> i don't think so. harold ford, a discharge petition, could that get this out? >> they could start it but yeah, as you well remember, it stops when the majority sees it's getting close they can stop and try their hardest to bring it through normal procedure and they have the opportunity and power to try to change and amend and so forth. i think it's probably unlikely. >> you're not going to get the citizenship thing. if you wanted the best, donny deutsch, we're going to go to kelly in a second, a visual of what it's going to look like, the senate best, the senate just fighting and struggling hard to get this thing done, let me show you this clip. this is what the house is going to be looking like. the house is going to be the reporter on top of this flood victim in india who, by the way, just for the record, you don't want to try this at home. the reporter has been suspended, but that is -- that is right now, that is john boehner who's on top of harry reid explaining to the american people why they will not be passing -- >> 17-year veteran journalist. >> i want to be in the preproduction meeting when you drew those lines together. okay, we're going to use this visual. >> can we hear this guy for a second? >> can i hear him live for a second. [ speaking foreign language ] >> when pressed afterward when he was suspended he said he was doing this guy a wonderful favor. >> joe, in this country that's what we call an intern actually. >> exactly. >> back to our regularly scheduled program. >> that is exactly -- you were going to see. the senate has now carried this over to the house and the house is going to treat the senate with as much respect as a reporter treated the flood victim. kelly, how did we get to this point where the senate passed a momentous immigration bill that has little chance of getting through the house? >> joe, we're lucky they're in the going to tilt down the camera to see whose shoulders i'm standing on here. we're all safe. >> right there. keep it waist up. >> when you talk about why this is significant, let me give you a sense of what it felt like in the senate chamber. i watch a lot of votes. you've been there and seen how it is. there is usually a lot of empty seats and not so much electricity in the room. the chamber was packed and it was filled in part by some of the young undocumented immigrants coming to capitol hill to try to make their stories and their faces known. and the media section was packed. it was basically standing room only. people wanted to see this happen. there was a lot of talk about how senator kennedy had tried and not been able to. former president george w. bush had tried an not been able to. while the house chapter is still to come and looks rather precarious, the senate had a real victory and accomplishment with 14 republicans getting on board. there was a sense that even though this might be incremental it was a step forward for those who want to see this kind of reform. the vice president came to preside. >> it was a good day. >> reporter: over the first overhaul of immigration law in 30 years. all 100 senators added a solemn touch voting from their desks. 14 republicans joined all democrats in favor. chants of "yes, we can" from undocumented students watching inside the gallery. >> the sergeant at arms will -- >> reporter: the senate planned forged by a group of democrats and republicans could grant undocumented immigrants legal status and 13-year path to citizenship, creates a guest worker program and adds a so-called border surge, more agents and border fence. >> isn't it in us to bring 11 million people out of the shadows. >> after months of heated disagreement, republican opponents label it amnesty that could drive down wages here. >> don't we need to consider the impact this policies could have on working americans? >> turning more personal, be new jersey democrat robert men denness voted in honor of his immigrant mother. >> of my mother who came from cuba, worked hard and made it possible for me to stand here today, on the verge of passing a historic piece of legislation that she would have wanted me to vote for. >> reporter: risking his future ambitions going against the conservative base, florida republican marco rubio spoke of his family's past. >> my father had someone phonetically write on a small piece of paper the words "i am looking for work." >> so harold, talking of the chances the senate bill has in the house, maybe -- maybe the house comes up with a plan to legalize immigrants, but not to grant them citizenship. maybe they go halfway and then maybe they head it out in committee. >> as you know, people who want this to happen, including me, understand, have to understand that the house has to work its will. the chairman of the committee, bob goodlet, has indicated the house's version of immigration reform can look very different than the senate's. those of us who want it we have to understand the house is a total different body and beast, so let them work their will and way and hope it comes to a reconciliation process which we call conference. if that happens it's a win. and during conference i think there's a real opportunity for the bill to look more like the senate's. it will be harder for the house when house republicans acknowledge as well as presidential contenders including chris christie and others and jeb bush begin to weigh in. let this process unfold. let it unravel. at the rate it's going i like where we are. i wish they had gotten 70 votes. it didn't. let the house do their part and we too could find ourselves in a good position. >> the house will do their part but most importantly, john boehner is talking about the hastert rule. >> the agriculture bill -- you said on the show a few days ago, the way they handled that bill does not bode well. let them work their will. instead of speculating, those who want it including you, work its way. >> which means if they get the majority of the majority which means if the majority of republicans in the house want it on the floor, then he'll let it move forward. if not it won't. so the fallout continues on another story. for paula deen, target not going to fill more orders. qvc taking her off the air for now and diabetes trug manufacturers have suspended their deals with her, yet her book sales have been through the roof, two of her cookbooks are at the top of the amazon best seller list and her family has six of the top ten selling cookbooks on the web retailer. donny. >> that is the ultimate dichotomy between human tolerance and corporate tolerance. >> so now -- but this isn't about tolerance. people are going out buying the book to send a message. >> yeah. look, i was shocked when a 66-year-old woman from the south a admitted she had used the n-word in her life. >> man. >> i know. now as disgusting as that is -- >> why were you shocked? >> i'm being facetious. that's my whole point. >> i haven't had my coffee yet. >> that comic. >> my man, take a swig. >> as we were talking earlier on this, the younger in today's generation the more color-blind they are. corporations have no choice in that instance. no choice. even if they said we want to stand by her. >> yeah but are you surprised people are running out and buying her cookbooks because somebody said the n word? >> no. here's why they're buying the cookbook. >> i'm going to go get her cookbook too for two reasons. number one, there's been such an avalanche of awareness that it just -- her -- she's the number one face on tv. good better or indifferent. number two to the paula deen fans oh, my god we're not going to get more pal la dean, be grab her while she's still in american commerce. the whole story is a sad story on every level. what she did obviously is horrific on every level. but -- >> so you're saying from guns to paula deen's greasy cookbooks, the fear of scarcity are driving the numbers up. >> i think this instance yes. >> eugene, you wrote in the "washington post" paula deen slurs are a bitter pill to swallow. she spent her adult life in america where black people are not compelled to be subservant to whites. she has made her fortune in america where most people white as well as black consider warm and fuzzy nostalgia for the days of slavery. all black people are uppity now. every one of us i'm afraid. i hope she figures it out. anyone that fond of deep fryer can't be all bad. a period of silence would be a good start, said the man from south carolina. my advice, eat some hush puppies and don't talk with your mouth full. >> i resemble that remark. i mean -- >> i want to ask both -- i'm sorry, go ahead. >> go ahead, gene. want to get gene's response. >> i was going to say, that column was -- that's not what i was planning to write about yesterday. and it just kind of wrote itself when i was driving in to the office. i had been thinking about paula deen. grown up in the south. she is 66. she's not 96. if she were 96 i could understand. she's 66 years old. >> you get no slack be for being 66. >> she doesn't get as much slack as some people are cutting her. and really, the thing was, to me wasn't okay she used that forbidden word and who knows when, how many times, how long ago. that actually got me less than the whole old south and the idea for bubba's wedding we're going to have, you know, these -- all the ser vers be middle-aged black men dressed identically and it's kind of elegant and old south and sort of -- it's just that -- you know, if you want to set me off, that's the way to do it. that's what got me. >> that's -- the whole thing is vulgar but that's the part you go -- i think there's a bigger discussion in our culture with words. now as i said there's nothing mel gibson can do or say to me that will ever make me do anything but vomit. when you're on the receiving end of the slurs it feels different. having said that, we now know there are two gives in our culture that everything that is said and done sticks forever. and that there are very loose ways that words are used, you and i can joke with each other, you can use, you wouldn't, a jewish slur, would be different than something that happens in a different context. we know about lyrics and what not. and do we ever get to a point in this culture where good -- whether this is the case here or not, where good people can say the wrong thing and -- >> i think there are a few words that are toxic and will be forever and paula deen said one of them. that is in 2013 that is the one word that will sink you for good. i mean let's look anthony weiner. anthony weiner's -- >> coming back. >> coming back. he's in first place. we could give other examples. the guy that did crack in toronto. his poll numbers are up 5 points. >> human flaws and hatred and that's the difference. >> but a lot of times it's not even hatred. take jimmy the greek. you'll remember that. >> yes. >> jimmy the greek and you'll remember it as well, jimmy the greek said some really, really stupid things and the guy was just absolutely hung out to dry. he shouldn't have been hung out to dry. he was just stupid. >> just stupid. >> back in i think in the '80s and gene, you would agree with me, he was from a different age and you sit there and -- my attitude, was just shut the hell up. >> he should have shut up. look, jimmy the greek didn't bother me that much at the time because i did understand he was from a different age and he does get some slack. it's just that it's the year 2013, you know. >> and you know what -- >> going through this 60 years. >> put things in perspective, gene, paula deen was in her 30s when jimmy the greek said that. seriously. i mean, i, you know, i -- old white people that i knew and grew up around that were born in 1905, 1910, you know, you know what i'm talking about, gene. >> i know. >> i mean everybody said things back then that they just stopped saying around 1975. >> '6 66 and 96. >> at some point it dauns on you and it even dawns on those people that gee, maybe i shouldn't say that anymore, maybe, you know, maybe the country has changed a little bit. and that just haddens quite dawned on her in the right way. >> if she was so, you know, ready to talk about this and didn't have anything to hide, i think people wonder why cancel the first interview. >> yeah. >> and then the collapse of the two youtube statements that went out and that didn't respond really well when the first one was highly edited and interview with matt where he asked, don't you think that people find that word to be insensitive. her response is i don't know. >> i don't know. >> and then i is what i is -- >> that was the problem. >> it's like, where are you coming down on this? look, if you got nothing to hide. you come out guns blazing. i've got nothing to hide. this is not my intention. this is certainly a word that i regret and i'm sorry and the whole thing. to say that i don't recognize that this is a problem word. >> yeah. >> and i don't know where it falls in society, that to me is a red flag. >> if she has a crisis manager she should fire that crisis manager. pr team, she needs to look for another one. it was a botched, botched thing. really quickly one other story and we do have a special guest coming up in the show, on this issue, things are getting personal now in the lone star state. speaking at the national right to life convention, texas governor rick perry accused state senator wendy davis of hijacking the democratic process during her 11-hour filibuster of the state's most recent abortion bill. he went on to say that davis' personal story is a perfect example of why she should support stronger anti-abortion laws. >> who are we to say that children born into the worst of circumstances can't grow to live a successful lives. in fact, even the woman who filibuster the senate the other day was born into difficult circumstances. she's the daughter of a single woman. she was a teenage mother herself. she managed to eventually graduate from harvard law school. and serve in the texas senate. it's just unfortunate that she hasn't learned from her own example. >> oh. >> that everybody must be given a chance to realize its full potential and that every life matters. >> wow. >> wow. >> wow. >> wow. >> rick perry, does rick perry really want -- talking about other people's personal lives, wow. >> i mean, come on. >> down here looking up. that's it terrible. >> don't go there. >> would i do that if i were rick perry? davis responded to rick perry in statement calling his remarks, quote, without dignity. she joins us on "morning joe" live at 7:30 eastern time. i wonder, kelly, who does that? who does that? that's just -- you get that personal. >> apparently the governor missed that whole chapter between rush limbaugh and sandra fluke, the woman who testified on capitol hill and he went so personal in his comments about her and that backfired. she became more empowered. certainly the governor's position about abortion rights is well known. so a lot of the other things he said didn't surprise anyone. but to go that personal against a woman who had obviously touched a nerve, had a lot of support and simply used the democratic process. nobody likes a filibuster when it's not their issue. i like how it's hated given the day and moment and party. she used the rules and got a lot of attention for an issue she believed in. those who want to bring this idea back, will do it again as early as next week. the underlying bill they're talking about would be to limit abortion at 20 weeks and to require when an abortion is performed, it's in a surgical center that is, as you know, part of the fallout after the gosnell case where there was a belief that maybe more medical structure should be put around these. now, of course, people who want to see abortion rights strictly curtailed look for opportunities to bring a bill like this. you've got all of that emotion. there was simply no need to go personal. and the governor took that on and he will i'm sure be able to take the criticism that will come his way. >> on a lighter night, i hear it is highly personal between these two. she gets more compliments for having better hair. >> oh, really? >> yeah. >> that was a very mitt romney-esque comment about a white republican politician with no sense of the world outside of their own world. >> don't think it was mean. he was trying to embarrass her and send a message, listen, she was a teenage mom. come on. she's not one of us. >> that's my point. >> come on. >> that's exactly what that comment is about. you know, only thing if a woman were saying that about somebody they would start it with, bless her heart. bless her heart, she's a teenage mom and the underlying message, harold, is? pray for her because she obviously -- >> doesn't know any better and we should try to welcome her into our group and our community of whatever. fascinating to me, you talk about this before, talked about it yesterday i think, the country actually is moving closer to his position on abortion. >> yeah. >> and we have to find restrictions. i'm pro choice. we live in a city, in an area of the country that thinks differently. for him to take that tact, only enrages people like me who might think that perhaps some restrictions around it ought to be provided. >> and -- >> if you're talked that way -- >> and bother people like me who believe it is reasonable for a state to set 20 weeks as a limit, as someone who had a premature child that was born, you know, at 27 weeks and was in the ic -- nicu and saw kids at 24 weeks. i think that's very reasonable. i think actually having more safety standards around abortions, i think that's reasonable as well. i think making someone who's an abortion provider actually have to be able to be admitted to a local hospital which people on the pro choice say is absolutely outrageous i believe that. i think most americans believe that. >> he attacked her and her mother. and her mom. >> my point here is, he is hurting my cause. >> right. >> by making a personal attack like that. >> he attacked her and her mother which i don't know what he was trying to get at there. >> wendy davis is an electric politician who has a big following now, national profile, rick perry is just doing her favors because she has aspirations to a higher office. >> he is. and