Anthony ciancia opened fire in terminal three before being shot and taken into custody. 39yearold jgerardo hernandez was killed. By now, these detail, the victim, the shooter, the place, theyve become a familiar litany in the wake of shootings that have captured National Attention for their current and public settings. As is the call that inevitably follows to make those spaces safer. Only this time the site of the shooting, the airport, was supposed to be our safest space. The dramatic retooling of Aviation Security over the last decade gave u. S. Travelers their most palpable experience of a life in a post 9 11 world, performance of the ritual, the ticket counter interrogation, the tiny bottles of liquid, the invasive hand searches, removing of shoes. Theyre supposed to be assurances of safe passage. Yesterday a man with a gun walks into an airport and pulls the trigger. And reminds us just how vulnerable we really are. Im going to turn to los angeles where nbc news correspondent Miguel Almaguer is at the l. A. X. Airport with the latest on this story. Miguel . Reporter good morning. The suspect is paul ciancia, 23 years old. Police say he entered the terminal just over my Left Shoulder at around 9 30 a. M. Friday morning and he pulled out a rifle, they say, from a bag, then began to open fire. He may have been targeting tsa agents according to many witnesses. He then was able to breach security, made it about 100 yards into the terminal where he was engaged with police in another gun battle. He was wounded and taken into custody but not before he killed a tsa agent as well as injuring several others. Many folks were pouring out of the airport during all of this. Passengers were running onto the tarmac. Some were cowering inside restrooms, doing what they could to escape the shooter. Heres what one witness told us. Reporter the shooter came down the corridor, past the security area, and he continue fronted me and looked at me and said, keena se . A question mark in his eyes. I shook my head and he kept going. Reporter with one dead and several other wounded the suspect is in custody now. Investigators are still looking into the motive. Terminal three, where this shooting happened, remains shut down, although other terminals are still active. You can hear this plane landing behind me. An active runway in los angeles. But some 167,000 passengers did experience some type of delay. Weve been told at airports across the country there may be a steppedup Law Enforcement presence, but that will be up to individual airports. Here in los angeles, last night and today, we have seen more Police Officers on the ground. Back to you. Miguel almaguer, thank you. Here with me in the studio is victoria defrancesco soto, a contributor and a fellow at the lbj school of the university of texas. Laura flanlders, host of grit tv and caton dawson, our favorite republican, former Senior Adviser to governor rick perry. Also with us from washington, d. C. , is rafy ran, the former director of security at the Israel Airport Authority and current president of new Age Security Solutions and consultant to bostons lonegan airport. Nice to have you with us this morning. Thank you. Let me ask you really the question that has been on my mind since the shooting yesterday. Does this latest experience expose any new vulnerabilities in american air travel . Well, actually, its not new. The fact we have focused during the last 12 years on security of the aircraft rather than the airport as well doesnt make it new, because if you only go back to the terrorism against aviation in europe and other parts of the world during the 70s and the 80s, many of those attacks were carried against the airport, not against the aircraft. You can name all the major airplanes in europe from paris to munich to zurich, rome, vienna, and others that you would see that theres a long list of attacks of gunmen at airports the spot of a terrorism spree. I think your point is well taken here, this idea that when were taking off our shoes or submitting to body scans or packing our sham pea in these impossibly small container, its consistently about a response to the most recent sort of anxiety, the most attempted attack. And not necessarily the thing that is most likely to keep us safe. Is that right . Well, you have to look at the challenge of say securing an aviation system, more comprehensively. I think weve narrowed the angle too much during the last 12 years, and when we focus on the issues of liquid and the shoes and other issue, these were extremely limited, very specific issues, and we somehow failed to look at the wider picture and see that the risk to passengers at airports can be severe if we dont take care of them. Hold for me just one moment. I want to come out to the panel. Laura, i wanted to talk to you about this because we were trying to make a decision yesterday, do we pause and cover this. Right . This is not that kind of news show. And i thought, you know, i feel like we must in part because whenever anything happens at an airport it has these multiplying effects economically in terms of our sense of safety and security, anxiety. What do you think our response is to an airport shooting . Well, an airport shooting that claimed the life of a Public Employee. Yes. I think thats an important part of the story. Its absolutely right in this case that you take a moment to talk about what happened. Sure, theres a fear we will spend yet more on useless security technologies, and you can just hear all the private firms thinking whack we roll out this week . But whats so important for our country to hear, a country with attack upon attack of Public Workers is a Public Employee died yesterday in the course of doing his job. Lets take a moment to pause about what our Public Workers do in this country. Its an interesting point. We of course saw that during the shutdown that there were Capitol Police who were b working there under furloughed circumstances, ultimately got paid, but in that moment we saw this need for security, the willingness of Public Workers to put themselves on the line. Not to politicize this but simply to say, look, for all that we hear about how bad government is, this is part of the necessary aspect of government. Its bad until you need it or your neighbor needs it. Its unfortunate politics are mixed up in everything we do now aday, but the sad tragedy is that people are dying. That cults through both sides of the aisle. Security has become an industry much like the lobbying industry in washington and the states. Whats the answer . Gun control . Dont know. Mental Health Problems . Absolutely. Im not one to advocate for more government spendings and programs but there are some priorities i think weve missed. Mr. Rahm, back to you for the one question i think will undoubtedly emerge, which is should tsa agents be armed . Well, that question has been around for a while. My professional u voou is they should not be armed. I think that arming them would create a lot of requirements that right now the manpower that is doing the screening is probably unable to meet. There is no question that there is a need for presence of trained Law Enforcement, armed officers at the checkpoint, because this is a critical point both in terms of where the trouble can start as well as a segue to the more sensitive parts of the airport. Mr. Ron, thank you so much for being here this morning. I fly every single week between new orleans and new york, and so im always highly sensitive to these smoemtmoments. Up next, we ear going to shift gears. Were going to turn to the dueling story lines about the rollout of the president S Health Care exchanges. It is time to separate fact from fiction on wmhp. Excuse me . Glacier point . Follow me follow me keep up, keep up, keep up. Look hes right there follow me wow Crystal Falls . Follow me [ male announcer ] the nissan pathfinder. Nissan. Innovation that excites. A confident retirement. Those dreams, theres just no way were going to let them die. Like they helped millions of others. By listening. Planning. Working one on one. Thats what Ameriprise Financial does. Thats what they can do with you. Thats how ameriprise puts more within reach. Welcome back. Its time for another edition of wmhp. Yes, this is where we take calls on the Affordable Care act and do our best to tell you just whats going on now without all the confusion. Eric, whos our first caller . Melissa, on the line is corey from colorado. Go ahead. Caller my insurance policy has been canceled. The white house website says if you like your health plan you have you can keep it. Well, cory, lots of people have been talking about the president s repeated claims that under obama care you can keep the health plan you already have. But thats not entirely accurate. The biggest changes in the Affordable Care act are to the individual market where people who dont have coverage to work can buy their own insurance. Now, it is a daunting landscape to navigate. Insurance companies could refuse to cover you if you were sick. They could charge you more if they calculated that you cost them more because, for example, you were older or a woman who might have children. They could finagle their fine print so that the policies didnt actually do the job of insurance, which is to protect you from financial disaster if you fall ill. So take a look at the bankruptcies there that are declared due to medical costs which in the u. S. Is most bankruptcies. More than threequarters of the people who went bankrupt due to medical bills in 2007 had Health Insurance when they got sick, and still they were overwhelmed by the cost. So a few years ago as a country, we decided that that wasnt right and that most people, even republicans, believe insurers should be obligated to cover people who are sick. Now, because of the aca they have to, and their policies have to be much better. They must offer basic benefits like prevent tif care, Maternity Care and prescription drugs. If you have a policy that doesnt meet those rules, well, you wont anymore after january 1st because those policies will be noncompliant. So people are getting letters that are telling them just that. Eric, who is our next caller . Melissa, we have kathy from Washington State. Go ahead, caller. Caller in reality, this law is becoming quickly less about helping americans purchase affordable coverage and more about compelling millions of americans into a struggling Medicaid Program. Well, thats an interesting theory. So in some of the states that are reporting early enrollment numbers its true that way more people are enrolling in medicaid than they are in private plans. 96 of new enrollees in maryland are enrolling medicaid, for example, 80 in kentucky. This has given rise to, well, conspiracy theorys that the Obama Administration has been planning all along to push people into medicaid and move us another step closer to singlepayer health care. Spooky. But heres the deal. You cant really push people from private Exchange Plans into medicaid because most of the people eligible for Exchange Subsidies just arent eligible for medicaid, and thats only going to change if Congress Expands eligibility again and i wouldnt hold my breath. Theres thalgs per sis sent idea that medicaid is a disaster of a Medicaid Program that hurts people more than it helps, but most people who have medicaid appear to like it. In fact, one study felt that 45 of michigan residents are with individual plans rated them poorly compared with just 16 of those with medicaid, and thats because those individual plans could be really bad for the consumer. And now by law they cant. Thats supposed to be an improvement. Eric, do you have another caller for me . Melissa, we have mitch from kentucky. Mitch, youre on the air. Caller Many Americans are finding theyll be seeing premium increases or that theyll be getting hit with higher copays and deductibles or that theyll no longer see the doctors or use the hospitals of their choice. Oh, mitch. Lets talk about this. About 5 of people are already in the individual market, and some of them are going to get a better deal because the aca caps out of pocket costs and offers subsidies on all the rest. Yes, some people are also going to pay more. Theyre going to have to change doctors or they just wont like their new plans. We dont know yet exactly how thats going to break down, but there are also millions who will get insurance who had none before. Theyre going to be able to take their medications every day and get a flu shot. And then theres 5 million more who would be covered if all the states including those republicanled states had agreed to ix pand mexpand medicaid. The real thing we have to decide, my friend, mitch, depending on how you look at it, we may have already decided it back in march of 2010 when the law was signed, is what are we willing to trade away for the greater good . And whether making that argument is an effective political argument. Joining us now is democratic strategist tara dowdell, nice to have you. Thank you. We always do our wmhp when were trying to get rid of some of the rumors and get to the facts. Of all the things youve heard this week, what are the legitimate complaints about aca and its rollout . Thats a great question. Obviously the rollout has been troubled because of the website difficulties. And remember, this website people are making it seem as if i build websites, my company does. We dont of this magnitude. This has to communicate across multiple Government Agencies with aging technology. This is not any small feat. My Google Chrome crashed the other day and theyve been doing this for quite a while not just for two or three years in terms of building a website of their scale and magnitude, and that crashed. I think we have to be more measured in how we look at this relative to other rollouts and understand that, yes, there are problems, but at the same time are these problems fatal, no. So a glitchy website is a real problem. Katon, i want to listen to a moment to what the president said in boston when he made the point this obama care is very much like romney care and made a claim act potentially where some of these problems may have originated. Lets listen. Health care is complicated and its very personal. And its easy to scare folks. And its no surprise that some of the same folks trying to scare people now are the same folks who have been trying to sink the the Affordable Care act from the beginning. Ive got to say, katon, two, three weeks ago, yall were shutting down the government so the people couldnt sign up, and now youre Holding Hearings because youre mad because people cant sign up. Always surprised that this is another Government Program that spent 600 million and it didnt work. Doesnt matter which one it is. This is a website. Theyre going to make it work. I got that. 18 months from now is when the whole story is going to be told electorally, and thats whats happening here. The president is articulating. I think the president has had some bad advice from his people. I told you earlier in the work rooms that his staff has probably disserved him on some of these talking points. Hes made the case that this is his law, made the case that it was going to work and that everybody could do it. The misnomers out there are really what is it, and then the fear that i see in some states i work in, the fear is im not going to be able to get insurance. Hes going to fix it and answer it because when the president of the United States says im not happy, there are a lot of people ducking for their jobs. Ill give you what felt like a kind of aca red line where he says if you want to keep your plan, you can, period, could potentially have been a sort of messaging problem. And ill give you there are real glitches in the website. But it does feel to me, vicky, like thats different are than the claims being made this week, which is that aca itself, Health Care Reform is a failure. Its so hard to get past that red line, melissa. There was a weakness in the aca of going on the offense since the beginning, going out and having Public Knowledge campaigns about what this program was. I think this is where people will get stuck and it will take a little time to get the information out there and for folks to see in the long term this is going to work but right now theyre angry that they felt the president lied to them. President could have said you can keep your hair, too, but its the programs that are changing. Youre right, the messaging wasnt per fekt. Wow, breaking news on the Obama Administration. But lets be serious. What people i think are getting this week is, you know what, the health plan thats being canceled is like that lemon car in my garage. I like it, i really like it, i want to keep it, i pay my payments on it. Everybody tells me i shouldnt take it on the road. I hope i never have to take it on the road. And eventually someones going to sate, you know what, that has to come off the road and you have to give up the car you like so much because its a lemon. Thats whats going on. That kind of lemon point, i feel like part of what happened when the president said if you like your plan you can keep it is there was an asummings in the administration that people wouldnt like that plan, like the plan that forces them to pay thousands of dollars in out of pocket costs that was bare bones and people w