>> from nbc news in washington, the longest running show in television history, this is "meet the press" with chuck todd. >> good sunday morning. i hope you have been enjoying your thanksgiving weekend. but the house judiciary committee beginning the formal prosof drawing up charges against the president, the white house faces a new deadline. committee chairman jerrold nadler has given president and his lawyers until 5:00 p.m. on friday to decide whether to take part or not. he's called it a sham, a scam, and a hoax. the republican strategy has been focusing on the process, delegitimize it, and scare newly elected democrats in swing states to vote against it. delegitimizing it makes it easier for many senators, like john kennedy, to vote to acquit the president in an impeachment trial. republicans are quick to point out that weeks of impeachment hearings have not increased the public appetite for impeachment. while that's true, it's hard to argue having 50% of voters wanting you removed from office immediately is where any president wants to be. republicans and the president have beaten the spread on surviving the initial political fallout but they're a long way away from winning the game. >> i said to the president, if you have any information that is exculpatory, please bring it forth. >> with that next hearing scheduled for wednesday and new reporting that the president knew about a whistleblower complaint before he released aid to ukraine, president trump and his allies are attempting to turn up the political pressure on democrats. >> you see what's happening in the polls? everybody said that's really bull [ bleep ]. >> republican groups spend nearly $7 million on ads against impeachment since pelosi announced the inquiry in september, compared to just over $2.8 million on pro-impeachment ads by democratic groups. almost entirely money spent by tom steyer, and mostly in support of his own campaign. most of that money is targeted new democratic house members in swing districts. >> their partisan impeachment is a politically motivated charade. they promised to be different. but they're not. >> so far, public opinion remains split along partisan lines. in a cnn poll, 50% of adults support impeachment. 43% do not. numbers unchanged from a month ago. quinnipiac has similar numbers. 45% of voters think president trump should be impeached. 48% do not. also, little change from october. just 13% of voters say they might change their minds. still, that remains a critical slice of the electorate. and vulnerable democrats are carefully weighing how to talk about impeachment and likely later this month how to vote on it. >> there's no question. >> i didn't run for the seat to impeach the president. go back and check my 18 months of running for this office. there's nothing in there about that. >> this is not why i ran. i ran to serve. >> republicans in toss-up senate seats are also wary of weighing in. protesters gathered at all six of senator collins' maine offices on tuesday. >> just as you wouldn't want a juror to go into a case prejudging it and not being familiar with all of the evidence, i feel very strongly about that. >> a senate trial could also scramble the 2020 calendar, requiring the six senators running for president to return to washington after the december holidays. >> we'll take it up. we have no choice. how long we're on it will be determined by the majority of the senate. >> while went 20 democrats support impeachment, they're not enthusiastic about campaigning on it. >> question is not first and foremost what about impeachment. >> out here on the trail, our job is to talk to voters about how their lives are going to be impact eed by who's sitting in e white house. >> every moment we're talking about impeaching donald trump or donald trump in any context, we're not creating a positive vision for the country. >> joining me is senator amy klobuchar of minnesota. welcome back to "meet the press." >> thank you, chuck. it's wonderful to be on. >> all right, the collision of impeachment, the campaign, is all now upon us, since 63 days i think will be caucusing. you might be there taking a break from the senate trial. what role does public opinion play in all this for you? i mean, we're at a stalemate. no matter what you think of the facts, we're at a public opinion stalemate here. what role should that play in this? >> the first obligation is the constitutional one. we don't have a choice. this is something where the founding fatherses themselves, james madison himself, said that the reason we needed impeachment provisions is he feared a president would betray the trust of the american people to a foreign power. that's why this is proceeding. i see it simply as a global watergate. back then, you had a president in richard nixon who was paranoid, and he delegated to some people to go break in to the headquarters and get into a file cabinet to get dirt on a political opponent. that's basically what this president has done on a global basis. yes, it's a public trial. and the public will be able to see more and will be able to reach their own decisions. but in the end, it's our constitutional obligation, and i can do two things at once. >> i want to show you a quote from a congress, member of congress from michigan. who said this, brenda lawrence, democrat, said this. we're so close to an election, sitting here knowing how divided the country is, i don't see the value of taking him out of office, but i do see the value in putting down a marker saying his behavior is not certainly. you see people sort of, people who are actually listening to everything are torn on the election as opposed to this. are split in this. you have a democratic member in your own state, collin peterson, who didn't vote to go through the procedure. he's from a trump district. is that what you hear? >> let me talk about how i see this. yes, this is a legal impeachment proceeding. and it could result in him being thrown out of office. that is true. but i see this as part of a bigger pattern. and the pattern is this. he betrays the trust of the american people. he puts his private interests, he puts his business interests, his partisan political interests in front of our country. that's what people get. that's whyia see, for instance, the fact that he went out there and rallied for the opponents, republicans in louisiana and kentucky, and the democrats won. we have a new democratic governor in kentucky. and that is because the people said, you know what, he's betrayed us on health care. we haven't been able to get the health care we want. >> do you fear, though, what he could do? how he would interpret a senate acquittal? >> i have no idea what he will do. all i know is that we have an obligation to the country to lead, to have this proceeding be conducted fairly, which i believe it has. it was all in public in the last week, people got to see people like lieutenant colonel vindman who made the american point to his dad, hey, this is a country where you can tell the truth. i think the importance is it's fair. and that we get a result. >> the republicans have poured millions of dollars into these swing districts trying, with an anti-impeachment message. democrats have not countered. i understand why they haven't. they don't want to look like they're politicizing this process. yet, what's happening? it's an asymmetrical warfare and you're losing the public argument and opinion. hindsight is 20/20. democrats making a mistake not sticking up with paid media? >> i think it's way too early to tell that, chuck. we have a whole election season in front of us, and my evidence is what just happened where we took back the virginia state house and state senate right in the middle of all this. because the voters were looking at that, yes. this is a patriotism check. this is a values check. there are people that don't even want to watch the president on tv anymore. they have to turn the volume down on their tv. and it is also an economic check. when i went on the blue wall tour to places like michigan and pennsylvania and to wisconsin and talked to citizens who had maybe voted for him before, they said enough. he hasn't come through for us. our prescription drug costs are skyrocketing. what has he done? he's just whining on tv all the time. >> let me talk about your race. it seems as if right now everybody is focused on everyone's flaws. all the reasons why none of you can unite the democratic party, why none of you can do this, and you have this problem, and this candidate has that problem. it's only a focus on the words. is this damaging long term? >> we will come together. you know, we're not like the republican party where they say he says jump and they say how high. and no one says the emperor has no clothes. our party is going to have a debate about issues but i'm the candidate from the very beginning that said we have to cross the river of our divides. when i announced on that river in the middle of that blizzard, i'm the candidate that said i don't want to be the president for half of america but all of america. and i have said a very clear path that we will have divides, but i am where the people are. that means that i have big bold ideas, no one has a monopoly on good ideas. but i am the one that will unite this party. >> what's the criticism of your campaign so far that's resonated the most with you, where you think that's fair, i'm trying to change? >> i think it would always be nice to get in more money, and we have. you know, they're always saying you haven't raised as much money as some of these other guys. i'm not as well known. since the last debates, we have taken over $2 million in at one instance online from regular people in six days. so we are expanding. we're opening more offices in iowa. we're opening more offices and adding staff in new hampshire and in the other early states because momentum is on our side. i'm never going to be able to compete with two billionaires, that's threw. >> you seem particularly insulted by bloomberg's entry, and look, i understand. but look, this is your space. you're saying hey, i'm the compromise. i'm the one if biden falters, and all of a sudden, hey, you, you're getting into my space. that's what you sounded like. >> it's more about money in politics for me. i have admiration for the work he's done, but i don't buy this argument that you get in because you say, oh, everyone else sucks. i just don't. i think we have strong candidates. i don't think that any of the polling or the numbers show that people are dissatisfied with all of their candidates. they're just trying to pick the right one. so my case is to make that it's me. i'm the one from the beginning that has set that path that you look people in the eyes, you tell them the truth. no, we're fought going to give free college to everyone, but we're going to match our economy with the jobs and the education system that we have. i'm the one that is the only one on the stage that didn't get on that bill for kicking people off their current health insurance in four years. >> michael bloomberg, if he doesn't qualify -- if you don't get to debate him, but he ends up winning a nomination -- >> that can't happen. i mean, he's got to debate people, and he also has to get out there. you know, i didn't see him out there in the middle of that snow storm three days ago in iowa. i was out there, and people turned out. people turned out in big numbers wherever we went. and that's because that's why we have early states. so that people are able to meet the candidates and they're able to make a good decision. it cannot be all about money or rich people would be running and winning in every senate race in the country. that's not what happens. >> back to impeachment. any chance you would vote to acquit? >> i can't see that happening right now, but i'm someone that looks at each count and makes a decision. i have said from the beginning i see this as impeachable conduct. >> senator amy klobuchar, democrat from minnesota, sorry about the university of minnesota yesterday. >> okay, the rose bowl was in our reach. we'll see. >> still a heck of the season. row the boat. >> thank you. >> and joining me now is republican senator john kennedy of louisiana. who also happens to sit on the judiciary committee in the senate side of things. senator kennedy, welcome back to "meet the press." >> thank you, chuck. >> you appeared on a show last sunday, and you walked back a comment that you made there. can you explain what you misstated and what you wanted to fix? what part of the record you wanted to correct. >> sure. i walked it back because i was wrong. >> about what? >> chris wallace was interviewing me. i'm sorry? >> about what? what were you wrong about? >> well, chris wallace was interviewing me. and he asked me a question. i answered it. i thought he had asked me if ukraine had meddled in the 2016 election. he didn't. he asked me if ukraine was responsible for hacking the dnc computer, which is, of course, a form of meddling. went back and looked at the transcript, and i realized chris was right and i was wrong, so i said i was wrong. >> the issue of conflating what ukraine did and what russia did has been i think at the heart of some of the criticism you have received. michael gursen, who is no liberal columnist in "the washington post," certainly not a fan of president trump either. i'll grant you that, but here's what he wrote about your appearance. he said this, politicians such as kennedy must know the truth about russia aggression, but still they choose to suck up to the president by reflecting his mania and sharing his blind spots. loyalty to trump among republicans is proved by the loosening of all other loyalties, to truth, to honesty, and to the national good. by this measure, kennedy is profoundly loyal to the president. simply uttering this conflation on ukraine and russia, the inference is you're doing the president's dirty work here. do you accept that criticism? >> well, listen, i like michael. i haven't met him, but i know he's a smart guy, and i read his columns now and again. i disagree with him. i think both russia and ukraine meddled in the 2016 election. i think it's been well documented in the financial times, in politico, in the economist, in the washington examiner, even on cbs, that the prime minister of ukraine, the interior minister, the ukrainian ambassador to the united states, the head of the ukrainian anti-corruption league, all meddled in the election on social media and otherwise. they worked with the dnc operative. >> did you -- >> in fact, can i make one more point, chuck? >> sure. >> in fact, in december of 2018, a ukrainian court ruled that ukrainian officials had violated ukrainian law by meddling in our election, and that was reported in "the new york times." >> were you -- >> now, is there meddling -- i'm sorry. >> no, were you briefed by the intelligence -- according to "the new york times" a couple weeks ago, u.s. senators were briefed after fiona hill's testimony, that actually this entire effort to frame ukraine for the russian meddling of 2016 of which you just made this case that they have done it, that actually this is an effort of russia propaganda, that this is a russian intelligence propaganda campaign in order to get people like you to say these things about ukraine. they're trying to frame ukraine. you apparently were briefed about this in the united states senate by intelligence officials. are you at all concerned you're doing russian intelligence work here? >> i was not briefed. >> you didn't attend that briefing? you didn't attend the briefing on that? >> no. >> okay. >> i wasn't briefed. dr. hill is entitled to her opinion. but when the economist -- >> when does opinion become fact? does 17 intelligence services saying it, does every western intelligence ally saying russia did this, i'm just sort of confused, at what point is it no longer an opinion for you? >> i don't think it's an opinion. i think it's a fact. i believe the reporting by the politico magazine. >> you just said fiona hill gave an opinion. >> i believe the report -- i believe the reporting by the financial times. i believe the reporting by the washington examiner. you should read the articles, chuck, they're well documented. and i believe that a ukrainian district court in december of 2018 slapped down several ukrainian officials for meddling in our election as a violation of ukrainian law. i didn't report those facts. reputable journalists reported those facts. does that mean that ukrainian -- the ukrainian leaders were more aggressive than russia? no, russia was very aggressive, and they're much more sophisticated. but the fact that russia was so aggressive does not exclude the fact that president poroshenko actively worked for secretary clinton. now, if i'm wrong -- >> actively worked for secret y secretary -- my goodness, senator kennedy, you now have the president of ukraine saying he actively worked for the democratic nominee for president. now, come on. you realize the only other person selling this argument outside the united states is this man, vladimir putin. this is what he said on november 20th. thank god nobody is accusing us anymore of interfering in u.s. elections. now they're accusing ukraine. we'll let this sort this out among themselves. you have done exactly what the russian operation is trying to get american politicians to do. are you at all concerned that you have been duped? >> no. because just read the articles. do you believe the economist magazine is a reputable journal? it's been around i think since 1843. >> do you think there's a difference in a country criticizing a presidential candidate who essentially endorsed another country's invasion and annexation of a part of their country as equivalent to what russia did with the dnc? >> well, let me put it this way, chuck. let's suppose, and i don't believe it, but you're right and i'm wrong, then what harm would it do to allow the president of the united states, who has a demonstrated record fighting foreign corruption, to introduce evidence? >> why doesn't he? he has been -- he has been provided -- he has been provided every opportunity to provide exculpatory evidence on any of this and they have chosen not to. >> no, he hasn't. >> yes, he has. >> rounds one and two by speaker pelosi and chairman schiff are as rigged as a carnival ring toss. and we both know that. if i were a prosecutor and i were prosecuting you for a felony and i went to a federal judge and i said, judge, we both know chuck is guilty, so let me call witnesses, give me an order he can't call any witnesses, he can't cross-examine my witnesses. he can't offer any rebuttal evidence. his lawyer can't even be there. you know what that federal judge would do? >> but you're going to get a trial. >> he would put me in handcuffs or in a straight jacket. i would be sanctioned, and that's what's happened here. >> senator, this white house has not cooperated on any oversight at all. have they not brought some of this upon themselves? >> have they allowed the president to call his own witnesses? no. have they allowed him to have his lawyer present? no. have they allowed him to offer rebuttal evidence? no. have they allowed him to cross-examine the witnesses that were hand-picked by speaker pelosi? no. now, whether you like the president or you don't -- >> okay. >> we both, i know, agree with due process. nobody is above the law, chuck. but nobody is beneath the law, and the bill of rights is not an a la carte menu. >> we'll leave it there, senator kennedy, republican from louisiana, you didn't get tripped up this weekend, so lsu is clear sailing for next week, but don't blow it and mess up the whole system there. >> we won't. >> thanks for sharing your views. >> thank you, 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swan, and "new york times" columnist david brooks. well, david, we just got an example here. we look at the -- i mean, we're having an asymmetrical argument. democrats are trying to have a conversation about what the president did, and republicans are having a completely different conversation. we couldn't even agree on the same set of facts. >> i think democrats should fold this up or go bick. folding it up would mean we'll impeach him, send it to the senate and go off to the presidential campaign. going big would say this is not a trial, this is political process. the jury is in four states in the midwest. we're going to get local people to explain to people in those four states why this matters to them and try to shift the poll numbers. those are the two options. i think they should fold it up because i think political opinion is unmovable on this and they should have a presidential campaign. >> betsy, it is -- this is not a split decision organically. the republicans spent millions to get this split decision. >> and house democratic leadership is cognizant of the fact based on a conversation with a leadership aide i had yesterday that they don't expect getting more than the mid 50s in terms of support for impeachment. they see this as sort of permanently bifurcated and not as an issue where they can break that 60% number. from talking with a handful of democratic hill aides about this particular topic, one thing i heard is a big concern for the vulnerable front line democratic freshman is not so much they would be tarred with having supported impeachment but the argument against them will be they only supported impeachment and they didn't get things done across the line. >> this is what makes pelosi getting nafta 2.0, i have heard it was -- it wasn't the deal, but it was sort of implied. look, i'll get this done, don't worry. >> this is exactly right. they need to be able to demonstrate their whole business and their whole charge is not being consumed specifically because of impeachment. but they are also doing the people's business. but i think that amy klobuchar laid it out. the country needs to have a massive civic engagement conversation right now. education in those swing states. and explaining to people why do they actually have to do the impeachment. because it is basically designated to them by the constitution. and explaining in that, you're also saying you do not want to set precedent. the next president could be a democrat that could do the same thing. they have to continue down this road but demonstrate they're doing the people's business at the same time. >> while i see paralysis is a successful short term strategy for the president, it's not like this numbers are getting better. he's still under water. this has been a terrible re-election campaign effort. >> true, but his numbers haven't gotten worse like with richard nixon's. for example, i think timing is having a lot to do with this and happy belated thanksgiving. look, between thanksgiving and christmas, i know i, for a fact, don't want to get angry at people. i don't want to be angry impeachment for democrats to move the impeachment needle. they've got to get people angrier than they are today. especially in the center in america. that's not happening. i also see evolution. you know, we don't see right and wrong the same way we did in the '70s during richard nixon. america has evolved in its right or wrong philosophy. look, i think what president trump is ostensibly being accused of is more serious than what richard nixon was accused of, but richard nixon's numbers tumbled to the point where he couldn't sustain the presidency, so he quit. and you know, i don't see the democrats gaining from this unless somehow, some way they're able to move the political needle as well as a few republican votes. >> david, you said something about going big. al reminded me of something. something big that happened is somebody with conviction said i'm not sticking by this president anymore. i'm going to resign and explain why i did it. the now former navy secretary richard spencer over the president's involvement in this navy s.e.a.l. war crimes case, this was shocking and unprecedented, richard spencer wrote. intervention in a low level review, it was also a reminder the president has very little understanding of what it means to be in the military, to fight ethically or to be governed by a uniform set of rules and practices. sometimes i wonder when you say the go big comment, there's all this other stuff that democrats are almost ignoring that are as alarming. >> here's a case where the military people were deeply offended by what trump did for two reasons. they said you have to remember these people are all broken people who came back from combat. they're like, i dealt with stuff, i'm not a broken human being. second, that they believe you can fight ethically. that you can be a good soldier, marine, whatever, and you can do it with a high standard of moral decen decency. and trump sometimes seems like somebody who has no moral sense, like moral rules and things don't seem to -- >> more a moral than moral. >> it's like telling a color blind person this is purple. i think he's just perpetually surprised because he doesn't have awareness of this. this is a case where people in the military i knew, trump voters, were deeply, deeply offended. >> this is the type of story that could penetrate. this is sometimes where i wonder, this was deeply offensive and a nonidealogical way. >> that's a challenge for democrats, is that it's very difficult from sort of a messaging perspective to launch this challenging impeachment process and also to be able to have this focus on these other issues. the story of the secretary of the navy being ousted or resigning has been totally covered up. or pushed to the side by the impeachment story. >> thanksgiving, too. >> exactly, but the impeachment story is dominating the way democrats talk about the president, and it's not without an opportunity cost. >> and this is where the president, he understands this idea of letting a convicted war crimes criminal go free but holding him close. he's talking very closely with eric gallagher. he's on all the sunday news shows. he wants him to campaign, and this is where the democrats asymmetrically don't understand the value of having a conversation like when the commander in chief loses the trust of his top rank, something else is amiss. >> this commander in chief, to put it even in worst perspective, believes that everyone from that region is guilty of terrorism unless proven innocent. and for him, unlike most of us, somebody shooting an innocent civilian in the middle east is not a big deal. he believes, a, those are bad people. we're in a fight. these casualties are, you know, casualties of war. this man is a navy s.e.a.l. navy s.e.a.l.s are heroes. i'm going to pardon him. that's the kind of messing with the right and wrong aspect of why are military so successful, and that's basically, i think, our president's thinking. >> somebody who thinks by watching the military channel they're suddenly a commander. when we come back, john kerry and arnold schwarzenegger on their new effort to combat global warming. i'm your 70lb st. bernard puppy, and my lack of impulse control, is about to become your problem. ahh no, come on. i saw you eating poop earlier. hey! my focus is on the road, and that's saving me cash with drivewise. who's the dummy now? whoof! whoof! so get allstate where good drivers save 40% for avoiding mayhem, like me. sorry! he's a baby! welcome back. the 2019 u.n. climate change conference begins tomorrow in madrid. amid sobering new studies on the effects and acceleration of global warming. in one old study, the projection of high tide by 2050, in southern vietnam, were updated to look more like this, and there's a lot more water there with virtually the entire area under water by 2050. here in the u.s., an organization of scientists, politicians, and yes, celebrities called world war zero hopes to spark millions of conversations about global warming in the next year and create more urgency on the issue. joining me now are two founding members, democrat john kerry who created the group, and former california governor, sometimes republican, arnold schwarzenegger. i'll let you tell me where you are with the party, but welcome back to "meet the press." secretary kerry, let me start with this question. i'm going to be a bit of a cynic here. but you go out of your way to say you're not backing a single climate plan with world war zero. this is about creating more attention to the issue. is attention to the issue really the issue right now? this feels like a ten year ago problem. the issue right now is convincing a certain president of the united states to attack. >> it's not just the president, chuck. there are great efforts out there, many environmental groups, young people particularly, but no country is getting the job done. i mean, the simple reality is that we are way behind, way behind the eight ball. things are getting worse, not better. so we have our unlikely allies coming together here. there's no group that has people as diverse as ours in terms of nationality, age, gender, i ideolo ideology, background, all these experiences saying we have to treat this like a war. i mean, it has to require decision making and organization and efforts that are just not taking place. and so we have people across ideologies. i mean, you have former treasury secretary hank paulson. you have former governor of ohio john kasich. you have arnold. you have a lot of people on the other side of the aisle who have all come together without saying this is the only way to get there. but with the desire to make certain that in america and around the world people are going to put this issue way up at the top of the list. we're going to do the things we need to do, we're going to organize, mobilize, we're going to talk to literally millions of americans over the course of the next months. and this is going to become a primary issue. >> governor, what does more -- what does more to sort of focus people's attention to this issue, a town hall or the fact that, you know, look at your state? i mean, the wildfires are worse. and there's probably nothing right now you can do about it. >> well, we are very happy and very proud of what we have done in california, and i think we are perfect proof that you can protect the environment and protect the economy at the same time, because we have the strictest environmental laws in california and at the same time, we're the number one economic, way ahead of the united states average growth is around 3.6%, but the united states growth is around 2%. and you know, we create more jobs, millions of jobs since we have passed those laws. so you can see that we can both be the fifth largest economy in the world, right behind china, germany, and japan, and the united states, so it shows to you the power we have by going green and the jobs we created. i think that's what we want to do, we want the whole united states to go in that direction, the whole world to go in that direction. i'm happy to have joined up here with john because john has been a long-term friend of mine and i have admired his passion about a clean environment and bringing both parties together. he negotiated with lindsey graham for years, a great deal that was about to happen, so i think we're working together on this and it is a great idea to bring republicans and democrats together, and of course, i'm a fanatic about communication, which is a whole other issue. >> chuck, can i -- >> secretary, for instance, walk me through what a town hall is going to look like in west virginia, when you're in coal country. >> i really look forward to that, actually, because there are just huge economic opportunities for west virginia that are not being utilized. there is -- >> what if the people don't want it? hasn't that been the problem? >> you have to give people a choice, chuck. they're not even being given a choice right now. you said are we going to back one plan? the answer is yes, there is one plan. and that plan is to get to net zero emissions by 2045 or 2050. now, how we get there, there are a lot of different ideas out there. but the important thing is that's not happening now. it's embarrassing in the democratic presidential debates, you had a whole bunch of debates in which there wasn't one question on climate change. and climate change is -- i mean, we have a young -- we have a lot of young activists involved. >> a bit overwhelming, secretary. look, the debate i participated in, we asked quite a bit on climate change, but it's hard to bite off. and i think that's part of the struggle here. is that it's so overwhelming, how do you tackle it one piece at a time. >> in fact, chuck, it's not -- it shouldn't be overwhelming. that's why arnold and i and a whole bunch of people, you know, there's a young woman who has taken two years off from going to stanford, her name is katie and she's been part of the climate strikes and the future coalition, and she said collaboration is the key to our survival. young people get it. they understand what this is about. but they don't have a vote in the board room. they don't have a vote in congress. they don't have stock in the fossil fuel companies. and the fact is that there are a huge number of jobs to be created here. fastest growing job in america today is solar power technician. second fastest, wind technician. i mean, coal is going down because the marketplace is making that decision. so what we want to do is say to people, here are the ways in which take health, health can be so much improved in the united states. young people are hospitalized in the united states and it's costing taxpayers $55 billion a year because of environmentally induced asthma that comes from pollution. so we're talking about reducing pollution. we're talking about creating jobs. we're talking about american security. one of the people who joined us is general stan mcchrystal. no greater patriot, nobody who paid his dues more. we have admirals and generals all coming to the table to help make the argument to americans and to people in the world this is an international security issue. >> governor, let me -- >> i agree, by the way, with john. i wanted to tell you, for instance, in california, in bakersfield, there's lot of oil drilling going on. there's more solar jobs now in bakersfield and around the area than oil jobs. people are leaving the oil fields and they're going to work in solar and clean energy and stuff like that, so this is the kind of stuff that goes with coal workers. it's just a matter of how do you plan those things. we in california have made a great plan, and we see people leaving the dirty fuels and coming to the clean energy. >> chuck, i want you to come to that. i want you to come to that town hall. >> i would love to. >> we would love to have you there. >> do you ignore president trump or still try to convince him to change his mind and would you have that one-on-one meeting? >> i totally agree with john when he said it's not just one person. we have to convince the whole world, and i think the way to convince the whole world is by not just always talking about climate change, which doesn't mean that much to most of the people. as a matter of fact, we have done a poll through the schwarzenegger institute, and you and i have talked about that. when we said climate change, it was like of the conservatives, there were only 17% interested and thought there was a serious threat. but as soon as we said pollution, the numbers went over 50%. so we got to communicate environmental community has to communicate better and talk about pollution because pollution is a threat right now. when you introduce this piece, you talked about in 200050, people can't think about 2050. they think about now, how can they survive, provide jobs, go and feed my family. those are the kind of issues and that's why it's important that we talk about the health issue and how we have passed all of our strict environmental laws in california. >> secretary, i am way out of time. you guys were great. i appreciate it. more importantly, i appreciate you kngot up early on the west coast. secretary kerry, governor schwarzenegger, you talked enough where you got out of two political questions i was going to sneak on you. thank you, guys. >> when we come back, a change of pace. still yearning for that coffee mug or bernie chia pet? fear not, the campaign elves have been hard at work and are ready for you to click bye. that's next. you to click bye that's next. so you only pay for what you need. wow. thanks, zoltar. how can i ever repay you? maybe you could free zoltar? thanks, lady. taxi! only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. 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highest name recognition. but when you look at iowa where people are doing the work, mayor pete is leading. and i think as individuals start getting to know the candidates on the ground, that's who we should be looking at. who is the one who is finding that voter that is encouraging them to move forward? otherwise you can say it sounds like a dead heat, but it's not. where are they spending most of their time and who is gravitating towards them? >> it feels like the candidates are treating payor pete. and i think this gets to a larger issue. he's a scholar, a successful mayor, a uniter. no, not that guy, it's cory booker. >> look, the cory booker conundrum and everybody -- why doesn't he catch on, and i think people will be writing about that for a while. but to me buttigieg is about to get his time in the barrel like elizabeth warren. she didn't hold up very well. how's he going to do? >> she had a tough time. and part of the reason that she had trouble i think could indicate that buttigieg may not go through the same experience. i talked to one democratic operative last night who said part of the explanation for her problems over the last month has been that when she changed her stance on health care issues, she got the worst of both worlds because she frustrated progressives. she alienated some of her believes. buttigieg, however, has a moment right now where he can decide is he going to try to change some of his core policy stances? is he going to try to move the flag that he's planted? and if he does he could go through the same thing that warren just did though. >> this seems problematic. i want to at least put up the headline. pete buttigieg is a lying m.f. it proves men like him are more willing to perpetuate the fantastic narrative of negro neighborhoods needing more role models and brief case. now buttigieg did what you'd expect him to do. he called up the writer and because that's one way to deal with this. here's how the writer responded on tuesday. the only thing i actually know about pete buttigieg is that he is a white man. but pete buttigieg listened which is all you can ask a white man to do. can pete get through this moment? >> i think so. one of the questions i started asking is who is the jimmy carter here? because we are in a moment where we need a moral rinse. jimmy carter was running against a lot of qualified senators and he just seemed like a moral rinse and he seemed relaxing. i think one of the reasons warren has suffered -- warren presidency seems kind of exhausting. we have four more years of battle. and i think buttigieg, he is less the fighter, more, i can have a normal life again. normalcy is a good trait. >> one thing's been surprising to me is how wide the lane on the center is in this presidential primary. if you add biden and mayor pete, and if you add amy klobuchar, you are getting a pretty big chunk of the democrat party at a time when the advertising's been that it's only people far to the left can hold up the anchor of the base. i don't know if it's too early to talk about a brokered convention. >> it's too early. 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