Is snl. He hasnt released his tax returns, which means hes either not that rich. Wrong. Not that charitable. Wrong. Or never paid taxes in his life. Warmer. Joining me is the editor of the cook political report. Mark halperin, managing editor of bloomberg politics. Maria kumar, ceo of voto latino. And the editor of the national review. Welcome to sunday. Its meet the press. Announcer from nbc news in washington, this is meet the press with chuck todd. Surprise, its october. Donald trumps bad week may have gotten a lot worse. Todays New York Times has a front page expose that trump declared a loss of 916 million on his 1995 tax return. Which means it could have allowed him to avoid paying federal income taxes on nearly 1 billion worth of income over an 18year period. All legal, by the way. The losses came from mismanagement of three casinos, his airplane and the plaza hotel in new york. The times received the documents in the mail anonymously, with a return address of trump tower. His former accountant, now retired, verified them. The Clinton Campaign said, this bombshell report reveals the colossal nature of trumps failures. Trumps Campaign Said hes paid hundreds of millions in state, local and federal taxes. Trump tweeted this this morning. I know our complex tax laws better than anyone who has ever run for president and am the only one who can fix them. As you can see, no specific denial of anything in the times report. This comes at the end of a week where trump followed an unsteady debate performance with a parade of outbursts on television, twitter and the trail. It all came as he was closing the gap with Hillary Clinton. I dont think shes even loyal to bill if you want to know the truth. Really, folks, really, why should she be, right . Reporter just when he looks competitive, trump veers off message. That person was a Miss Universe person, and she was the worst we ever had. The worst. Reporter trumps inability to control his own emotions is standing between himself and the presidency. Whats happened to our jobs. Reporter instead of talking about jobs and trade, clintons email controversy or a mideast spinning out of control, he spent five days attacking 1996 Miss Universe winner alicia machado. What were the names he called you . Miss piggy, miss housekeeping, miss eating machine. She was the winning, and you know, she gained a massive amount of weight. It was a real problem. Reporter when the controversy was dying down, it was trump who kept it alive. In a 3 00 a. M. Tweet storm. Did clinton help out disgusting become a u. S. Citizen to use her in the debate . His latest twitter meltdown is unhinged, even for him. Reporter Tony Schwartz was trumps ghostwriter for the art of the deal. He is like an untrained rottweiler. He bites someone and puts someone in jeopardy. Reporter every poll shows that trump lost the debate. Trump isnt buying it. Every Single Online poll said we won, which is great. From early on in his life with his father and later with his mentor, the advice was the same, which is never surrender, no matter what. Reporter trump is acting as if he lost, attacking the clintons marital history in the interview with the New York Times. Saying, quote, she is nasty but i can be nastier than she ever can be. He can say whatever he wants to say. Reporter trumps supporters embraced the idea of a flawed messenger who they say can shake up washington, but even they have become spectacle. I wish hed talk about things hell change and thats it. Stop this petty stuff, you know. A beauty queen from how many years ago . 20. Reporter surrogates say hell lose if he doesnt rein himself in. This has been a week which has hurt him and shaken his own supporters. You cant tweet at 3 00 in the morning. Theres no excuse ever, not if youre going to be the president of the United States. Joining me is a top adviser to donald trump, rudy giuliani. Welcome back to the show. Thank you. Respond to Newt Gingrich there. He said, this has been a lost week. Do you disagree with that . Yeah, i disagree with that. I think donald trump did really well in the debate. I think he accomplished what he had to accomplish, which is he showed that he understands the economy better than Hillary Clinton. She demonstrated she has no understanding of the economy at all. She was just completely lost in her answer to how were going to bring back jobs in america. It just taxes people more, which is the reason theyve been driven out of america. I thought on foreign policy, he displayed a better understanding of islamic terrorism. On monday, you tweeted, this debate was not trumps best, but there are still two more. I didnt tweet that. Its not my tweet. Okay. Fair enough. I never said that. Thats somebody pretending to be me. There are about four of them out there that pretend to be me. Okay. So you thought everything went hunkydory on monday night . You thought it was the best he could do . No. I think he could be a lot better. Look, were all debaters, and im a lawyer, so i can always find four or five more things you could have done. I thought, for example, when she brought up Cyber Security, it was an excellent chance to point out how shes been the worst violator of Cyber Security so far in the history of the United States. Shes exposed more of our top secret documents than any secretary of state in history. If i were to analyze the debate, i would have said he won it and there were two or three opportunities he could have delivered a knockout blow and he didnt take them. Finish your thought. We have more debates coming. Fair enough. Let me ask you about the New York Times story this morning, where now, there is some evidence that he didnt legally avoided paying federal income taxes on almost 1 billion worth of income because of losses he obtained in his businesses. Is it important now for donald trump to release his tax returns . Many even of his supporters, including a guy like roger stone, thinks he ought to release his tax returns. This points out one of the reasons why releasing tax returns is so bad. The New York Times writes this long story, and then somewhere around paragraph 18, they point out there was no wrongdoing. Now, people have a hard time understanding how taxes work. If donald trump hadnt taken those losses, he could have been sued by his investors. He could have sued by his business partners. When i run a business, and i run a business, and i dont take advantage of the five deductions that are available to me, even if you think those deductions are unfair, then i violated my fiduciary duty. I have clients that take losses like that, and i advise them, you have to take those losses. Otherwise, youre not doing your job. The very people he wants to work for, when they basically fail at their jobs, or their job goes away, you know, they dont have this kind of ability. I mean, this is basically a deduction that benefits wealthy businessmen. He failed at his businesses, the first three businesses were failures, and then he was able to get a tax break for the failure on the next 1 billion of income. Look, its all legal. Should it be . Thats a good question. But it is and it was. Were talking about 21 years ago. If he didnt take advantage of it, he would have been sued. Maybe someone doesnt want to put out the tax returns because someone will distort it that way. The reality is, he is a genius. What he did was he took advantage of something that could save his enterprise, and he did something we admire in america. He came back. The art of the deal is all about that. So did steve jobs and winston churchill. Churchill was thrown out of politics twice and came back. Great men have big failures, and then they take those failures and return them into results. Id rather have a genius like trump other than Hillary Clinton just getting jobs for the fbi. You think it is a good example to basically be able to avoid paying federal taxes . Take advantage of loopholes, where somebody wealthy can avoid paying the federal taxes . I understand it is legal. But is this the right thing we should have in a president . First of all, a lot of the people that are poor take advantage of loopholes and pay no taxes. Those are loopholes, also, and they pay no taxes. Also, no matter who you are, if you have a 30 operating loss, you can carry it forward to the next year. Poor people take advantage of that, also. Now, do i think the tax code should be simplified . Absolutely. Will he do away with things like that . Hes probably better positioned than anyone because he understands the tax code better than anyone else. Id rather have a genius who understands the tax code and wants to reform it. He is against giving Hedge Fund Guys the big break they get in paying only 15 tax. You have to figure out who youre working for. There, he was working for private interest and has to take advantage of those rules. No wrongdoing. If he could have these kinds of results for us in america, we wouldnt be having 1. 5 recovery. Wed be having 5 recovery. All right. Plus he did pay hundreds of millions of dollars in taxes. State taxes. Local taxes. We dont know that. How do we know that without him releasing the tax return . If he didnt, hed be in jail. Thats why. Hed be sitting behind bars if he didnt pay taxes, sales tax, property tax. I understand that. Hed be in jail. We dont know how much it was. We can take your word for it. All you have to do is look at his 104page Financial Disclosure form. Look at the property he has, figure out the tax rate and figure out what he paid. Since they didnt put him in jail, i can guarantee he paid it. What did you mean when you talked about Monica Lewinsky and Hillary Clinton. If he didnt know what bill clinton was doing, she was too stupid to be president . After the long, long history of bill clinton, gennifer flowers, 27 people making claims against him, including a settlement with one of them where it was obviously true, when she first heard about lewinsky, to pretend it was false she was wrong to stand by her husband . No, to attack the person. You are able to give this charge . I prosecuted people that had raped. You have your own infidelities. I confess it to my priest. Ive never attacked someone who has been the victim of sexual abuse. Not only that, ive been put in jail who have been the victims of sexual abuse and i never participated in that. Youre bringing up my personal life, and its irrelevant to what Hillary Clinton did. Shes running for president , im not. A woman who pretends to be a feminist shouldnt be taking money from countries where women are stoned, where women are killed for adultery and women cant drive. Shes taken hundreds of millions from those countries. Mr. Mayor, ill leave it there. Thank you. Appreciate you sharing your views. Joining me from the other side, hillary Clinton Campaign manager, robby mook. Mr. Mook, welcome to the show. Good morning. I want to play a new ad that the Trump Campaign is hitting on Hillary Clinton and get you to respond to it on the other side. Why arent i 50 points ahead, you might ask . Maybe its because the director of the fbi said you lied about your emails. There was classified material emails. Or maybe its because your policies allowed isis and terrorism to spread. Or maybe its because you call americans deplorable. So its that last part, the deplorable, and everything theyve put together in the ad. Anything in that ad that tells you it is not an effective hit on secretary clinton . Well, a lot of it simply isnt true. You know, the fbi said that there was not no wrongdoing, that they would bring against secretary clinton. I think a lot of the people that stand by donald trump are deplorable, and the things they say are deplorable. You know, trump has had a really bad week. He failed in the debate. He has spun out of control subsequent to that, insulting machado. His 3 00 a. M. Tweet storm. You know, his campaign is spinning out. Theyre grasping for anything that they can to throw mud back. Secretary clinton is going to keep on the campaign trail, talking about how shes actually going to make a difference in peoples lives. You know, this morning we see donald trump as having to defend the fact that he may not have paid taxes for 20 years, which is something most americans dont have the option to do. So were just going to stay focused on how shes going to create jobs. But are you and get wages rising. With everything that has come out on donald trump, all of the different hits that have come out on donald trump and, yet, youre not 50 points ahead. If anything, this is a close race. He does have a path to 270. He can win. Everything thats happened, and he can still win. Is that a reflection on what the country thinks of Hillary Clinton . No. I think its a reflection that the president ial campaign process is competitive. Our country, fortunately or unfortunately, is very polarized right now. People fall into their different camps. And people are concerned. They want to see change. But whats becoming clearer, particularly since this debate, is that donald trump isnt going to present that change in any way whatsoever. We talk about the rigged system. Donald trump embodies that. The idea he didnt have to pay taxes for 20 years, or at least thats what the New York Times is telling us. We feel very good about where we are, but this will be competitive till the end and well have to work hard. You guys are struggling to win over voters under the age of 30. New audio has come out from a fundraiser from earlier this year, when secretary clinton was running against Bernie Sanders. She described some of sanders supporters as kids that are essentially still living in their parents basement. Was that meant to be a shot at sanders supporters . Well, chuck, actually, im glad you asked this question. And i really encourage everybody to listen to that full audio. The original piece that came out on it had to have the headline changed because it completely mischaracterized what she was talking about. She was talking about young people that shed met who were frustrated that they graduated from college and went into an economy where they couldnt find the job they wanted. Didnt help that the folks laughed when she said that at the fundraiser. Well, when i listened to it, i didnt hear it that way at all. I heard her reflecting the things that shes hearing when shes out campaigning. In fact, of these two candidates, shes the only one who has presented a real plan to create jobs and a real plan to help families afford college. She and Bernie Sanders worked together on a new College Compact that will create tuitionfree education for people and families earning under 125,000 a year. Quickly, i know youre not pulling out of ohio, but not at all. Its clear the numbers arent great. Do you view ohio as a mustwin state anymore . I actually dont even accept that premise. Ohio is a battleground state. I think either candidate can win it. Were working incredibly hard. I think secretary clinton can win it and well work to make sure it happens. Robby mook, Campaign Manager for Hillary Clinton. Ill leave it there. Thanks, chuck. Antiestablishment opinion is trumping the elites this campaign season. 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