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good to be with you, i'm katy tur. we're watching a couple of stories, incoming an update from the governor of maine on the mass shooting last week. we're going to bring the news out of that. first, there are some major developments out of israel. the idf says it freed a hostage inside gaza. colonel yuri magadesh was e retrieved. she is said to be in good condition. as for the rest of the hostages, prime minister benjamin netanyahu today argued the ground incursion and intense bombardment are helpful. >> our common assessment of all of the not only cabinet members but the security forces and the military is that the ground action actually creates the possibility, not the certainty, but the possibility of getting our hostages out. because hamas will not do it unless they're under pressure. they simply will not do it. >> you'll notice netanyahu was speaking in english there. that was a press conference for foreign media, an acknowledgment that israel needs to convince the world to be on its side of the war. >> calls far cease fire are calls for israel to surrender to hamas, to surrender to terrorism, to surrender to barbarism, that will not happen. israel's fight is your fight because if hamas and iran's axis of evil win, you will be their next target. that's why israel's victory will be your victory. but make no mistake, regardless of who stands with israel, israel will fight until this battle is won. >> with a growing purported death toll, devastating images of bombings and a humanitarian crisis in gaza, international sentiment is fractured, as is support for netanyahu. his confidence polling has nose dived in israel and apart from furious families of hostages who say he's shown a lack of empathy, along with his refusal to take responsibility for the intelligence and security laps on october 7th. in new reporting from the "new york times," based on dozens of intervieithmerican officials, along with israeli government documents, the paper says it's clear the attacks w possible because of a cascade o failures over recent years, includinsonal lapses by nenyahu himself who ignored repeated warnings from israeli security officials that the polica turmoil caused by h domestic policy was weakening the country's security, and emboldening israel's enemies. joining us now from jerusalem tonight is nbc news foreign correspondent raf sanchez. let's start with the news today. what do we know about the effort to get this hostage or how this hostage came to be freed? >> this is a rare moment of hope for israel, three weeks into the country's worst ever hostage crisis. the israeli military saying the young woman, a private in the israeli military was freed inside of gaza by israeli troops. they say she is medically in good condition. they released a photograph of her with her family, smiling. we don't know what she has been through over the last three weeks, what she has sewn. from the outside, she seemed to be in good condition. this is the first time israel has been able to free one of the 239 hostages held inside gaza. four hostages had been released previously by hamas in a time and a place of hamas's choosing. this is giving some israelis perhaps new confidence that there may be a way to free these remaining hostages through israel's ground operation. prime minister netanyahu as you said appearing in a press conference speaking in english, speaking to the international community, and he was making the case that rather than this ground operation spelling the end of the window of opportunity to get these hostages back through negotiation, he argues that hamas will be under renewed pressure because of the presence of israeli forces inside gaza, and that will make it more likely that he will negotiate for the hostages. the term being thrown around in israel right now is an everyone for everyone deal. the families of israeli hostages are calling on the israeli government to release the thousands of palestinians who are being held in israeli prisons right now in exchange for all of the israeli hostages inside of gaza. that politically, for prime minister netanyahu, for his far right government, for people who murdered israelis in the past in order to secure this deal, but that is the clamor from the families. prime minister netanyahu, i guess, tonight has this counter argument that it may be possible it free these hostages by force of arms. >> let me ask you about what has been happening over the past few days. over the weekend, there was the 36-hour phone and internet blackout. what do we know about the purpose behind that? what do we know was happening inside gaza at that time, and what has been happening today? >> reporter: so the israeli military has never officially said that cutting off the internet inside of gaza was a deliberate attack, but israeli officials, including mark regev in an interview with you on friday said militarily makes sense, we don't want hamas to communicate. we don't want people broadcasting our positions. it was an absolutely nerve racking weekend for people inside gaza, unable to communicate with each other, unable to communicate with the outside world. it was a nerve racking weekend for us at nbc, we were unable to reach our crews inside gaza for much of the weekend. the internet did slowly start to come back on send, and the monitoring organization says it appears to be back at least in part now. so we are starting to see new images of the destruction that was carried out in gaza over the weekends by those intensive israeli air strikes. and people inside gaza able to renew their calls once again for more humanitarian aid, and for a cease fire, which they say is the only way to save the lives of palestinians inside the strip. >> thank you very much. joining us now is independent journalist, noga tarnopolsky, who spent two decades covering this. let's talk about benjamin netanyahu, he's under a lot of pressure. it's only increasing. what are the calls inside israeli right now? >> there are increasing calls for him to resign from increasingly prominent people, industry titans from a former head of the shimbit, but i have to say that netanyahu himself appears to be pretty committed to his handle of israeli politics and seems to be planning to remain in power for the long haul. >> he said today that a call for a cease fire is a call to surrender, that they will not do that. he said the idea that israel is at fault for hamas putting civilians in harm's way, he says when the international community repeats that, they only encourage hamas to do that more. i understand that's going to be natural spin from any government. how is that being -- how is that being received inside israel? is that being heard inside israel? is he saying the same to the israeli people? >> he is, although he has barely spoken to the israeli people. i don't think the israelis have heard a lot about, i would say, leaders with influence or significant people calling for a complete cease fire. there are calls for a humanitarian pause. there are very very loud clamorous calls within israel to release all the palestinian security prisoners, talking about some 6,000 in the hope that that would get the hostages back. although, there's no actual evidence right now visible that that is a deal being offered by hamas. that was a quote citing one of the hamas leaders that has not been corroborated that has become a slogan. i don't think anyone has any evidence, and the pressure is just going to grow. >> what about the tweet from overnight, "the new york times" came out with this article, and we detailed a little bit of it at the top, talking about all of the intelligence and security failures, not just in the days or weeks ahead of this, but in the years ahead of this, and also writing that benjamin netanyahu was warned by his security officials, warned that the unrest in israel was leading to a division within the country making them seem weak, where enemies could take advantage, but a also he himself was personally warned or tried to be personally warned about senior fishes about something brewing in gaza, and he ignored those or wouldn't even hear those warnings. what is the deal with the tweet from overnight, blaming security? >> so, you know, i'm not a psychologist. also an incomprehensible tweet. the prime minister of israel at war tweeted an attack upon his own security chiefs, blaming them for the debacle that has happened. the blow back was so harsh that for, i believe the first time in his entire publiclife, which includes having to confess to affairs and criminal indictments, i believe for the first time he apologized for anything. but it's important to note in the apology tweet that you just showed that he doesn't apologize for having blamed the security chiefs. he apologized for posting the tweet. you know, should not have been said, and i apologize for that. so i don't know. netanyahu has spent two days in a very controlled way, visiting the troops, always with full tv makeup on. his popularity appears to be very very low in israel. but i think he is really in a different space, and he seems to be very cautiously, very intentionally shoring up his image as, you know, he used to call himself israel's mr. security before the worst security breach in israeli history happened under his watch. >> noga tarnopolsky, thank you very much. coming up next, we're going to talk about the second phase of war. we're also going to talk about the intelligence failure that led up to this from somebody who has some experience with it. don't go anywhere. e with it. don't go anywhere. he hits his mark —center stage—and is crushed by a baby grand piano. you're replacing me? 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>> that's something i think we're going to talk about after we have destroyed more of the hamas capabilities. the challenging issue i'm in right now is i want to say free the palestinians from hamas. hamas is a very ideological, palestinian-based organization, and they are a horrific terror organization, and in my academic term, i'll call it, that they are a hybrid terror organization, not only a terror organization, and they have been in that expense, again a terror organization doesn't call itself a terror organization. it calls itself resistance, it calls itself in all the terms that we all have seen, freedom fighters and what they did, not just on october 7th, by the way, that's not the first time they have done the attack. the terror attack on october 7th, which was taking isis capabilities, but using them in the palestinian arena, that's taking everyone apart. i'll add in if i'm allowed to say more that they uploaded their exploits, is there a word for it, on saturday, october 7th, and they planned and pre-planned, taking it off social media from that saturday night, so what happens in the palestinian world is that we have to prove that they did what they did on october 7th. but look at what they're doing in the gaza strip. they built it as a military terror fortification to hold the hostages, and used the civilians as their upper ground. >> we're looking at a fire inside gaza from an aptn feed. i don't know what's happening there. we haven't been able to verify, but clearly something is happening. how do you uproot hamas? how do you uproot an idea? how do you not, with this extensive bombing, this ground incursion, create people who are even angrier toward israel, strident toward israel. how do you give them hope in a campaign like this? >> how do you live as the state of israel next to hamas that call for our destruction? how do you live in the state of israel next to hezbollah in lebanon that call for our destruction? there are other people in the palestinian arena. there are other people in the lebanese arena, and in that sense, do that separation between a homicidal, i don't like the terms that i use but the terror organization that calls openly for our destruction. for the last ten years, israel, we were wrong, we were hoodwinked. we thought hamas in their sense, because they said it often, ten years, 20 years, it isn't about, they never said it's not about destroying israel, by the way. all they said is they're willing in the meantime for us to exist. that's not in the cards anymore. what you try and do is you try to be in a clear voice that we're not trying to kill any civilians. we are trying to save their lives. that doesn't make it easier at the moment. i'm completely aware of the humanitarian situation. having said that, we cannot exist here when the terror organization with its capabilities exists next to us. can we take it one step at a time, can we destroy the capabilities, and then with the world, with palestinians, not us. we're for them the worst on earth, try and build something new. the idea that you can leave it to me is worse. it's as if it's your problem, not anybody else's. i want to say one more thing. if we don't destroy the terror capabilities that hamas used on october 7. if we don't show they lost, they are an inspiration, not for the palestinians. they are an inspiration for every terror organization worldwide. that is bad news for the world. >> what about the security lapse that got israel to this point, and "the new york times" did a deep dive into years of failures, this idea that ha mats -- hamas didn't have the capability. wasn't worth listening to the radio commands. this idea that it wasn't really anything that was happening, nothing to rise to the level of waking up the prime minister. how in the world -- >> i'm one of those in that sense, and i take it that i, too, if you had asked me on october 6th if this was going to be happen on october 7th, hezbollah had the exact same plan. for the last decade, we have been preparing for an all out attack against dozens of i communities, conquering, they call it, conquering the galilee. i don't think we were wrong about hezbollah. we ignored and underestimated hamas, but i want to add into this that hamas did an entire program to make us think this erroneously, and at the same that hamas was preparing this, hezbollah was preparing what it did in the north. if i can add one more point, on october 5th, thursday, the night before. israel, 50 years to the 1973 yom kippur war. and that was a huge strategic failure for israel. i, live on tv, on october 5th, was in a panel about the 1973 intelligence failure, and i was asked a brief question. could an intelligence failure like that, a strategic failure happen again, and i'm on tape on october 5th, 2023, thursday night saying it could happen tomorrow morning. and a 9/11 can happen because you're not looking for it. and an october 7th can happen because you're not looking for it, meaning the failure can happen because we're human beings, and we don't expect the horrific atrocities and we were hoodwinked, and we're going to learn. but the counter terrorism aspect is not only about israeli. this is not the palestinians against israel and securing their future. this is about a hamas terror organization succeeding where none of us want them to succeed, where they have to fail and be shown to have failed. >> miri eisen, thank you very much, wow, i appreciate your time. >> i appreciate it too, thank you, kalty. -- katy. coming up, does israel have a ground invasion in gaza. i'll be joined by richard haass in a moment. haass in a moment. that i couldn't do things without losing my breath. i couldn't make it through the airport, and every like 20 or 30 yards i had to sit down and get my breath. every physical exertion seemed to exhaust me. and finally, i went to the hospital where i was diagnosed with afib. when i first noticed symptoms, which kept coming and going, i should have gone to the doctor and told them what was happening. instead, i tried to let it pass. if you experience irregular heartbeat, heart racing, chest pain, shortness of breath, fatigue, or light-headedness, you should talk to your doctor. afib increases the risk of stroke about 5 times i want my experience to help others understand the symptoms of atrial fibrillation. when it comes to your health, this is no time to wait. 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how fine of a line is it? >> it's a thing, and the administration has been extremely supportive of israel, and the advice, shall we say, is advice from a friend. be careful about civilian casualties, think twice before you go in big. keep open the possibility of a two-state solution. so far, at least, israel does not seem to be listening closely to the device, and i think at some point, the administration is going to have to decide whether they're comfortable with being so tightly latched to israel, if this means that certain u.s. interests might be somewhat injured. that will be -- i think we're several days away from that. one thing to look for is whether the united states pushes hard to think not about a cease fire, but pauses, pauses to let in aid. pauses to allow for exchanges of hostages for prisoners. >> let me ask you about a ground invasion. there's an argument that any military action in gaza is not the solution to long-term peace. what is your take on this? >> that's absolutely true. the only way to get long-term peace is with a long-term partner, that will never be hamas. what matter most is whether there's a palestinian partner in the west bank. israel has to be willing to put something on the table. not everything the palestinians want but some of it. israel needs to reign in the settler movement. first the dust has to settle. we have to calm the crisis, and those kind of issues will come to the floor. >> in terms of trying to eradicate hamas, that could be quite difficult, given that hamas is, you know, bunkered itself inside these tunnels, but also one of the questions i was asking my last guest is hamas has become an idea for many people, and maybe they don't like hamas, but they like the idea, richard of fighting against what they are currently experiencing in the gaza strip or in the west bank communities with the settlers. how does israel combat that through strikes? even though, you know, they're hitting back in a war that they said they didn't start, and for incredible terrorism that civilians experienced on october 7th. >> katy, i think you're raising one of the two big questions about israeli strategy. can you decimate, eliminate hamas militarily. people like me are not persuaded that you can. it's an idea, a network. the mere process of going after them will generate more recruits. i'm not sure that can succeed. even if i'm wrong, quite possible i am, and you want to e eliminate hamas, who runs this area with over 2 million people, and i haven't heard anything coming from israel that explains a transfer of authority here. so i think this is operation has some big question marks associated with it. >> the palestinian authority has said they don't want to ride into gaza on the back of israeli tanks. there's talk about going to the international community once this is all over. are you seeing any planning with that? is there anybody in the international community that's raised their hand and said, yeah, i'll go in and help establish a new government and a peace? >> one of the phrases i never use is the phrase international community, and the reason is there isn't one. there simply isn't one. no. could you conceivably get an arab league force, maybe, but i think it's a real long short. countries aren't going to want to get involved with this. so i'm skeptical that there's some alternative to work with them. in the long run, yes, a stronger palestinian authority that successfully ran the west bank. that could set up conceivably an operation where they would become popular in gaza. that's the stuff of decades, and it doesn't happen on the back of an israeli occupation, which i think would raise fundamental questions of legitimacy of whoever would follow. >> what about the rise in anti-semitism, which is being addressed right now in the white house briefing. around the world and the country, we saw those really scary images at the airport of the angry crowd looking for a flight coming from israel and we're seeing college campuses becoming a battleground. >> the pictures out of russia were a throw back to the 19th century, images we never thought we would see again. what's going on in illiberalism, i think it is anti-semitic. where was the outrage against russia over ukraine or what's going on in iran or syria or yemen. there's all sorts of double and triple standards. there's a lot of hypocrisy here, and the academic authorities, got up a step up, and they have to make sure not just some students but all students feel physically safe. that is their first obligation. i would argue they're not meeting it. >> richard haass, thank you very much for joining us. appreciate it. anytime. >> coming up next, after more than six weeks, the auto workers strike is over. what is in the deals plural? 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which had been put on hold days earlier restricts what trump can say about witnesses and prosecutors in the case. donald trump lashed out at judge chutkan on social media calling her a quote true trump hater incapable of giving a fair trial. his outbursts have cost him $15,000 in another case. he violated another gag order twice in his new york civil suit last week. joining us now, former u.s. attorney and legal analyst, barbara mcquade. sort this out for me, if you can. >> first, i think it's really important to understand that the judge is absolutely in her legal rights to impose a gag order on donald trump. in fact, if she wanted to, she could completely gag him from talking about the case whatsoever, as the manager of the case, she has a duty to protect the witnesses, the parties, and the fair administration of justice. this order gives him a lot of outs. he can still cite criticize the biden administration, he just can't talk about the parties, court staff, witnesses, and jurors. and so he's going to push this as much as he can, and the real question is whether he's willing to back it up with penalties. >> has she a little bit of runway to do so now that it's happened in new york twice? >> i think so. but it's going to be interesting, you know, i think you often see this when there are sanctions and a progressive discipline in new york. we saw first $5,000 penalty, and then a $10,000 penalty and promised it will escalate if it continues. we'll likely see the same thing in the federal case with monetary penalties escalating. if he violates the orders with impunity, the ultimate card is to jail him for contempt of court. that's a tricky thing. i don't think anyone wants to jail a candidate for president even if he deserves it because the public wants to hear what a candidate for president wants to say. >> she has said she'll speed up the trial, and let's note that he has not gone after one judge in one of the cases against him, the only judge he has not gone after, judge aileen cannon in florida. the uaw's unprecedented strike against the big three auto makers may soon be over, and 40,000 workers who had taken the picket lines may be returning to work. president biden confirmed moments ago that general motors has reached a tentative deal with the uaw, making it the last and final company to make an agreement. joining us from streetsboro, ohio, jesse kirsch. i was watching you a little bit earlier. it seems like the deal made with gm today and stellantis, largely in line with the deal made with ford the other day. >> reporter: yeah, and i just want to point out first off, we're outside a stellantis facility, you hear that, no horns. that's the difference today we're hearing at facilities all over the country with word of the tentative agreements. interestingly, we don't have any specifics yet on what is in a tentative agreement with general motors, and here's why. president biden said he spoke to the union's president and that the president, president biden is saying that a ta, a tentative agreement is reached between gm and the uaw. we have not yet heard from the union officially on this. we have been pushing all day since word of this first was coming out. our partners at cnbc early this morning. we believe this to be patterned off of, as you mentioned what ford and stellantis have agreed to with the union. here's what we know about the deals. a base ge bump of 25% over the term of a contract. retirement benefits up, job security in the electric vehicle space, and that's an issue that has been a sticking point, a concern throughou these negotiations. so what this is potentially going to wrap up six weeks of striking. we know that ford and stellantis workers who have been on strike have been told to return to the job, and that's what's going on here at this stellantis parts distribution center today. i want to put this into context for people, katy. the hardships, the sacrifices made, we spoke with a gentleman a short time ago. his first time back. he's a father of 2, he has a 2-year-old and a 4-year-old. to get by, he has been resorting to buying expired canned food to feed his family. think of that for the parents out there, buying expired food to feed your family in hopes of getting better pay, and he is pleased with the results of what has come out of the stellantis contract. one of the things for him is he's a newer employee, and so he was always under older contracts. the last contract, not going to be able to reach top pay that some of the more senior workers were able to do, but he now will be able to reach that top level of pay that some other workers have been getting. this is something at least from that one conversation i had is being welcomed by workers, but of course all of this has to be ratified. the rank and file membership of the union will be reviewing the tentative agreements, vote to ratify, lock things down, and make them official. but workers are now returning to their jobs, going to be getting their paycheck again, and this appears to be the end of what has been a very at times contentious six weeks, katy. >> thank you for bringing me that good news. we've needed it, and just the idea with the father with a 2 and a 4-year-old. they barely eat anything you want them to eat, so just resorting to a limited arsenal of expired canned food must have been so tough. this will be a major change, a major good change in his lifestyle. jesse kirsch, thank you so much for joining us. and nfc coordinator and strategic communications admiral, you know him, john kirby is at the white house briefing room right now answering questions. let's listen. >> what the capacity would be to provide some sort of temporary subsistence capability for the families wanting to get out of gaza. our sense is that they want to go back home. many of them want to leave now. of course, and that's understandable. but there's not a desire, by many, at least from our sense of it, that want to flee forever, and go somewhere else in the world. so at some point, you have to starting thinking through what that's going to look like, and i don't know that we have had any solid answers on that right now. >> will that come up on the cc call yesterday. >> i won't go into that. >> related to the rafah crossing, any updates on getting people out through that corridor? >> unfortunately, no. as you heard jake say yesterday in a set of interviews, we're working on this by the hour to try to do that. we have several hundred americans who want to get out, too and we're working on it. >> you mentioned putin's response or lack of response to the anti-semitic event at the airport. his sources say the security meeting is in part to discuss attempts by the west to use events in the middle east to divide the russian society. >> isn't that sweet. it's classic russian rhetoric, isn't it, when something goes bad in your country, you blame somebody else. blame it on outside influences. the west had nothing to do with this. hate, bigotry, pure and simple. a good leader, a decent leader would call it out for what it is, instead of blaming the west for something and pushing it off to somebody else. >> and the idea of entering this next phase of the conflict, the president again urged prime minister netanyahu to act in a manner consistent with international humanitarian law. does the president still feel or does he feel that israel is abiding by the rules of war? >> without getting into react to go events on the ground in realtime which we're not going to do, this is a conversation we consistently have had with our israeli counter parts, and as you rightly note, it was part of the discussion yesterday with the prime minister, and you heard the prime minister today speaking in tel aviv about the efforts they're undertaking to avoid civilian casualties, and i think that they certainly are making that effort. it doesn't mean there haven't been civilian casualties, tragically there have been many, thousands of them, but unlike putin in ukraine, and unlike what hamas did on october 7th, killing civilians is not a war aim of the israeli defense forces. their war aim is to go after hamas terrorists, terrorists, i might add that are using innocent palestinians as human shields. >> is the president concerned that israel is going to break the rules of war, and if not, why does the president feel the need to repeatedly bring this up in every conversation that he has with them? >> it's something even the prime minister brings up in the conversations. they both recognize as democracies, it's important to abide by the law of war and protect innocent life, and minimize civilian casualties. it's not a lecturing, it's a reminder from two leaders of two vibrant democracies, this is what separates us from folks like hamas! >> reporter: the u.s. ambassador to the u.n. said we should not be numb to the suffering of palestinians, ordinary people or aide workers. the number is 53. every time i set here, the number goes up. and the save the children fund says that the number of children was killed in gaza is more than the whole world conflict since 2019. so why the message, you keep saying we don't want civilians to die, and exercise restraint and to abide by international law, why do you think your message is not getting through, basically they don't believe the u.s. is doing enough to protect civilians? >> back to mary's question, there's not a single conversation we haven't had about what they're doing to minimize civilian casualties. as friends can and friends should do with one another, to make sure that we're on the same page about that, and the united states is literally leading the effort to try to get humanitarian assistance into gaza and if it wasn't for american leadership, i don't think you would see, in fact, i know you wouldn't see the increase of the aid getting in. we know there's a lot more that needs to be done, but it's because of american leadership on the ground and american convening power that we're able to get that aid in and see if we can sustain it. we're working very hard at this. i want to repeat it, every single innocent life lost is a tragedy. every one. whether it's a palestinian life lost or an israeli life lost, every one should be prevented. there's no reason for these families to keep grieving. we're going to keep doing everything we can to work with our israeli counter parts on the minimization of civilian casualties. >> on the meeting with defense minister, yesterday jake sullivan said that we should talk about the future two-state solution. do you believe that prime minister netanyahu would be against a two-state solution, that actually this is something you can discuss as we go forward and looking for a political outcome? >> yeah, we've discussed it privately with our israeli counter parts, and you heard the president in the rose garden last week talk about it publicly at the top of his press conference. it's absolutely something he's 100% committed to, and he still believes in the promise of it. though it may seem illusory, we believe it's the right thing for the region, the world, the palestinian people. >> reporter: for both of you or john, you have a historic coupling with dhs, doj, with this civil rights law when it comes to anti-semitism and islamophobia on these college campuses. because of this historic coupling, will there be stiffer penalties now for those carrying out hate and terror as said in her opening statement? >> i'm not sure i'm qualified to answer that question. that's a little bit out of my swim lane, i'm afraid. >> that's going to be up to doj. >> reporter: but you went beyond just hate. you went into terrorism. >> anti-semitism, right, that's what i was talking about, and also title vi of the civil rights act. look, that's going to be something that doj is going to decide on, right, we're talking about title vi under the civil rights act of 1964. that's what we're saying, people, as they deal with what's happening on these campuses, that's kind of the path that we're going to try and deal with this. again, doj, department of justice is going to deal with the penalties and how they move forward on all right. so you can hear at the white house press briefing right now karine jean-pierre also john kirby addressing the rise in anti-semitism on college campuses. there is a lot of worry about that. over the weekend cornell university went on alert after, quote, threats of violence appeared online targeting jewish students and a jewish center on campus. joining us now from the columbia university campus is nbc news correspondent stephanie gosk. we've been seeing this in a lot of different universities. what's happening? >> reporter: yeah. well, katy, it's across the country really on university campuses where, you know, traditionally campuses are places where students debate the issues of the day and that's not what we're discussing. we're discussing anti-semitism and islamaphobia and that's where the loan needs to be drawn. as the students say, the faculty and staff are all saying and i'm here at columbia today because a group of jewish students held a press conference to talk about the anti-semitism that they are feeling on campus, that includes threats of violence and even violence itself. in the first week after the hamas attack on october 7th there was an israeli student at columbia putting up posters of the hostages who were taken by hamas and he was attacked. now, the person who allegedly was involved in that has been -- is facing four assault charges, two of them are hate crimes. there was also a building here that had a swastika painted on it. so these students were coming out to talk about these incidents and also to hold the columbia university -- the heads of columbia university, their feet to the fire on this issue and ask for them to do more. here is what one student had to say. >> my jewish sisters and brothers and i are on the receiving end of death threats from our peers, undergraduates, who have filed reports about these incidents have been left with no emotional support, no feedback and no consequences for the perpetrators of these hateful actions. as a result of this inaction, there are jewish students who do not feel physically safe on campus. >> reporter: so what they told me when i was chatting with them, katy, is that they want to have a debate, they want to have the debate on the issues, people who disagree that's part of what campus life is about, but right now they are too afraid to. that woman you just heard speaking right there said she's even afraid to tell her friends she's going to shabbat dinner because that has become political and divisive. katy? >> that's so tough. i know we're fighting a siren there, but i have one question for you. hopefully you can hear me. the teacher who said they were ex i will rated by what happened on october 7th that was a columbia teacher as well, wasn't it? >> reporter: yeah, and suspended, that teacher has been suspended, but, you know, it's not just in the heads here at columbia university but all of these universities there have been big questions as to how the presidents of universities are responding to these incidents, the tone in which they respond and responsibility for not doing enough to make sure that the debate that's happening is actually the debate you want to be having and not something that is anti-semitic or islamaphobic and that's really the concern, that that line has somehow been blurred because of the war in israel right now now. >> thank you very much. coming up next, it's a short break, i will be joined by an idf spokesperson, what he can tell us about today's hostage rescue. don't go anywhere. s about today rescue don't go anywhe.er this is american infrastructure, a prime target for cyberattacks. but the same ai-powered security that protects all of google also defends these services 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[ cheers ] yeah! woho! running up and down that field looks tough. it's a pitch. get way more into what you're into when you stream on the xfinity 10g network. israel has begun a second phase of the war with an ongoing ground assault in gaza so what is the plan next? joining us now is idf international spokesperson lieutenant colonel jonathan kunricas. can you give us more about the rescue of ori megidish. >> she is now home safe with her family, she was rescued by an israeli operation on the ground. due to the sensitivity and the fact that we do not want to disclose any of our activity for hamas to understand and we don't want to give away any clues, the only thing that i can say is that this is the first of the hostages that was freed in such a way and that we are committed to getting all of our people home. >> not to get into sensitive stuff that you might not be able to share, but can you tell us if she has helped you in your efforts for other hostages? was she able to give you valuable information about what's going on over there, where she was held, what it looked like? >> she was indeed and of course security forces are investigating and we are collecting intelligence from each and every available course. obviously an israeli that has been held hostage for so many days has that information. she is both physically and mentally very well and of course providing lots of important details. i won't be able to say exactly what, but this is the first stage. we are committed to bringing all of our people home, israelis, dual nationalities, people that are not israelis. everybody needs to get back home from this cruel and barbaric captivity that hamas has taken them. >> how confident are you that you will be able to rescue other hostages, not just negotiated swap, but actually physically rescue other hostages? >> well, it's definitely a very, very daunting task, one that i'm not sure any other country has faced, not in terms of scope, distance, complexity and number. but i can say that we are committed, very, very committed and no resource will be spared in order to get to each and every one of them. that's a moral obligation that we have and one that we are very committed in fulfilling. we understand it will be difficult. we understand that there will be additional casualties as this war continues and as we continue to fight hamas on the ground and in the air, but at the end of it hamas will be dismantled and our people will be back home. >> so we've been watching a fire in northern gaza on the left-hand side of your screen. can you tell us what that is? >> so what's going on now is that there are ground units of the idf that are expanding the activity in northern gaza. we are operating there with what we call joint combat teams on the ground, joint in the sense of ground forces, air and sea cooperating together, seeking to establish contact with the enemy, engage with him and then use our different abilities to strike the enemy. i am happy that there are more than 800,000 civilians that have done the smart thing and evacuated that area and i call on everybody, all the palestinians left, to do so. that is the best thing to do because the area is going to be with lots of combat, already has seen lots of fire and we definitely do not want civilians in a combat area. >> for the first time today i heard a specific area in gaza pointed to as a safe zone, prime minister netanyahu said the southeast of gaza. where exactly was he talking about? >> yeah, so maybe this hasn't filtered up through all of the media, but we actually released that, including with a map in arabic, morn a week and a half ago. this area is called wasi, it is northwest, it is in the southern part of the gaza strip close to the coast. this is a humanitarian zone which, again, a week and a half ago we told this to the gazans that this is the area where humanitarian aid should go to and this is the safest area to be, unless that as well will be used by hamas for fighting and firing rockets, then of course we will have to respond to it, but our intention is for that area to be the safest area for civilians to go to. it's in the south, which is where we have told palestinians to move out of concern for their safety and we hope that the international aid which is coming in through the rafah crossing channeled to that area. >> lieutenant colonel, thank you for joining us. >> that will do it for me today. 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