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Need a clear, consistent message from the government and whats become clear so far is from a testing, messaging and an Economic Perspective we need more funding, coordination and preparation. This hour the number of coronavirus cases has passed 500 in the u. S. 21 people have died. Congress acted this week to give 8. 3 billion in extra funding but that comes after years of grinding away at the Public Health infrastructure. Its not as though we didnt have any warning. First, it was asia. Now 16 Million People in northern italy are quarantined including the Financial Center of milan and a quarter of the countrys population as the death toll there spikes above 300. Even the pope who has famously watched the feet of the infirmed video streamed the sunday blessing. Now ten american states have declaured emergencies and there are very real questions of how ready we are to test widely and treat american who is are infected. But the president has been defiant about the administrations response and his tone hasnt always quite hit the mark. We had a report today the global death rate at 3. 4 and a report that the olympics could be delayed. Your reaction to that . Well, i think that the 3. 4 is really false number. Now, this is just my hunch. If, you know, we have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that get better just by, you know, sitting around and even going to work some people will have this at a very light level and wont even go to a doctor or hospital. Theyll get better. There are many people like that. Young people seem to be you cant say immune to it but certainly numbers are very small. You know, you hear a lot of stuff of try not to shake hands. Its not stopped me at all. I havent touched my face in weeks. In weeks. I miss it. I get it. People are surprised i understand it. Every one of the doctors said how do you know so much about this . Maybe i have a natural ability. Maybe i should have done that instead of running for president. In ib that needs a test, thats the important thing. A ten tests are all perfect. Like the letter was perfect. The transcription was perfect. Right . This was not as perfect at that but pretty good. I told mike not to be complimentary to the governor because that governor is a snake. Okay . I would rather because i like the numbers being where they are, i dont need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasnt our fault. Sir, given the announcement of coronavirus are you going to hold rallies . Well have tremendous rallies and doing very well and done a fantastic job with respect to that subject on the virus. Joining me now is dr. Peter hotez, professor and dean for tropical medicine at Baylor College of medicine. Thank you for coming on tonight. Thank you, so much. I appreciate it. Lets just start with where things stand right now based on what you know about the situation. This is expanding, two additional states. The Economic Impacts seem to be encreasing. Seems to be a lot of conflicting information out there about what americans should be doing. In your view, how should people be adjusting how they go about the daily lives considering where this stand right now . Well, thanks for asking. You know, i think this week is a tough week and we are going to see an expansion in the availability of testing, two commercial labs starting tomorrow. Qwest diagnostics. That means physicians are going to have additional options for testing. And my prediction is as the testing increases were going to see a sharp uptake sharpen crease in the number of actual cases reported. Thats the first thing that will happen. The second is that we may because of that, we may identify new potential areas of community transmission. And so, that means we may be entering potentially another phase. I dont know if it will happen this week or next week but i think thats a likely scenario to see new areas of Community Spread and so its really important how the administration, how the white house responds to that because, you know, some of the previous messages were not supported by data and now that we will have an increase in data i think its really important for either the Vice President or his designate to come on and say, okay, we recognize that theres an increase in transmission, increase in number in cases and what well do about it. Im hoping as i have been talking about and as i testified in Congress Last week that he identifies or he identifies the four major groups at risk and then say, okay, we recognize this. We realize this is a serious problem and heres what well do about it. So there were reports over the weekend that there was a lot of conflict inside, you know, behind the scenes at the white house about how strongly to come forward to the public and say, dont get on a cruise ship, dont get on a plane. You know . In the end they walked back from that. Dr. Fauci was on with chuck todd this morning being pretty clear that elderly americans should not get on cruise ships and recommended against long trips if you are, you know, elderly or you have an underlying condition that could make you particularly vulnerable. What recommendations should the government make in your view to limit that spread . So its a great question and the answer is, we have to base it on what we have already seen in central china, what we have already seen in south korea, what we have seen in italy and Washington State. We have seen the same thing play out each time. It is not a mystery. We know older americans, especially those who are having understood lying debilitating conditions at high risk and forget about whether its 1 , 2 , 3 mortality. The point is we are looking at 10 to 20 mortality among that older population an we saw how this virus ripped through that nursing home. My understanding between 10 and 15 deaths now in 1 nursing home and could happen in any nursing home in the United States right now where theres Ongoing Community transmission. Thats all hands on deck to prevent that. Number two, dealing with the Health Care Providers. We have seen in wuhan 15 of those infected out of thousand not only sick but severely ill and dont understand why because the Health Care Providers getting cigger than predicted based on the age and the point is thats the second group to protect. Lastly, the First Responders. Third First Responders and then selected occupations, things leek people like uber drivers or taxi drivers and what i want to see come out of the white house this week if were seeing a big increase in cases is that specific messaging with real guidance on what we need to do because the heads of these Nursing Homes and our hospital workers, nurses, nurse practitioners, they have to be protected. If they start to go down, then the whole thing collapses very quickly. Certainly a scary possibility. The Financial Times wrote about some of the unique challenges that we have here in the states that, you know, perhaps some other developed countries dont face. Theyre concerned that a mix of high numbers of uninsured people, a lack of paid sick leave and the Political Class down played the threat could mean it spreads more quickly than in other countries while our drugmakers look best set to find a vaccine, some fine its one of the worst affected by the global pandemic. Do you share those concerns . And what should policymakers do to address the high number of uninsured or underinsured people and many people dont have access to sick leave . Well, not a Health Policy expert. Im a laboratory investigator who develops vaccines and no secret the Health System overall in america underachieves. We leave behind a big bottom segment of society who are left without insurance, left without access to primary care Health Interventions and, of course, theyre the one that is get it the worst. Theyre the one who is are also highly vulnerable groups so im glad you pointed that out and the ones if they do get sick dont have the backup in terms of paying the wages, insuring they support the families and hoping component of that whatever it is, 7 billion or 8 billion goes to help the vulnerable populations. Gandhi said a civilization is tested by the treatment of the population. Before you go, you mentioned that you are an Infectious Disease specialist, codirector for the center of texas childrens hospital. You had worked on a treatment for a Novel Coronavirus in the past. Can you just update us on where you stand in terms of moving forward on that . And if you have any new sense of how quickly we may be able to get a vaccine to market . Yeah. We developed we develop we developed the vaccines no one else will because its vaccines to have no financial return and primarily for neglected diseases of poverty and in poorer countries but about a decade ago we took on a Coronavirus Vaccine program. No one else was entering into that space. We have a Coronavirus Vaccine were excited about getting into Clinical Trials provided to identify the source of funding to move it into the clinic and still at the stage writing proposals with the hope that some funding might come through to move that along and then were developing a sec generation one, as well. Vaccine development is complicated and pretty excited about our vaccine to advance it. All right. Doctor, thank you very much for your time tonight. We really appreciate your sober insights. Joining me now, democratic senator jeff merkley of oregon. Thank you for being on tonight. You bet. Good to be with you. So i want to start with a little bit of what dr. Anthony fauci told my colleague chuck todd on meet the press this morning. Watch. Are you more optimistic today than last week . Depends on what you mean by optimistic. We certainly now that we have tests out and get a better ndle but clearly concerned about Community Spread. You have to be concerned about Community Spread. So, senator, your home state declared a state of emergency today. You heard the doctor there, he says he is not optimistic or certainly did not come across as terribly optimistic of this next week to go. Whats your view of what were in for the next week and what you and your colleagues on capitol hill need to be doing about it . We are absolutely in the stage of Community Spread. First three cases in the state and now 14 were Community Spread and spreading for weeks and it is going to hit vulnerable populations and as we do more testing, we see more cases reported. To address this, we have to encourage people who are feeling symptoms to stay home and people cant afford it and we should have and i talked with the Vice President about this last week. They should be encouraging employers to pay employees who have symptoms to stay home and many people with immigration status, green cards and so forth, are worried of the public charge issue, theyll lose the immigration status going to a Health Clinic and the president should be saying absolutely clear you can did to a Health Clinic. There is no risk. We need to make sure they understand, people understand that i. C. E. Is not hanging out at health inclinics so people get treated. So we need to really have clear leadership. The president said he had a natural ability in science. I think in this case the trutd truth is he has an inability to speak clearly and factually about the challenge were facing. This is breaking new. I apologize for springing this on you. I want to share it with the viewers and get your reaction. Senator ted cruz, his office just issued a statement. He was informed last night that ten days ago when he was at cpac he says, quote, i briefly interacted with an individual symptomatic and tested positive for covid19. That was a brief conversation and a handshake. He said hes spoken with the relevant authorities. He doesnt have any symptoms. It was ten days ago. He doesnt think that hes going to get sick and going to stay in texas. He is not going to come back to washington, d. C. After learning of this. What is your reaction, first of all, to this news to hearing that a colleague had an interaction with somebody whos sick . Also, the broader plans to protect our government and our congress in the event that this does continue to spread . Yeah. Absolutely. Well, he is modeling Good Behavior saying he will self quarantine at home and stay away from the public and congress. The first end of that talking about having done a handshake, all this week i have been trying to do elbow bumps. It is hard to do. I have to explain to people trying the same thing. Doesnt work well. It is really hard. But its people get it. I held a series of town halls yesterday and after the first couple people, people started to say, i got it. Heres my elbow. Some folks say boot bumps. So were trying to bring that behavior and convey to people that really this is think of the flu. If you hand wash a lot, if you cough into your sleeve, if you use fluids on your hands, antiseptic fluid, thats not the right word, sanitizer, you keep your hands away from your face you greatly reduce the spread so this is the type of behaviors that all of us in leadership should be modeling. I did a video to convey this and i encourage other folks in elected office to do that. We have to really do everything we can to slow down the spread of this disease. Let me ask you about the state of play in your home state of oregon as we mentioned. Before there is a state of emergency, you talked about the Community Spread. Would better access, quicker access to testing have potentially changed how this has played out in your home state in your view . How big of a failure was that in your understanding . Its a very significant failure. Those tests would have allowed us to understand better whos infected and had them get appropriate treatment or appropriate self quarantine to reduce the spread. So that the delay in testing is a factor. The messaging of the president is essentially that the democrats are politicizing this, a hoax, this does not help at all. This is a sort of thing, science based, we are in this together, we have 90 countries in the world that have infections. The numbers are going to go way up and we have to have a sense that politics is set aside. We are all in this together. All right. Senator merkley, thank you very much for your time tonight. We are, of course, thinking about your constituents in oregon and across the country who are dealing with this outbreak. Joining me now is washington correspondent kayla tausha. Lets listen to something that the president said on friday and then talk about it. We will have americans staying home instead of going to spend money in other countries and maybe a reason that the job numbers are so good. We have had a lot of travel inside the usa. So the Associated Press fact checked the comments and wrote that is not a reason that the job numbers are so good. Kayla, this is you know the second half of the story, you know, as people are grappling with what to do here, obviously we have those who are ill and who need treatment and very focused on that. However, there are millions of americans trying to prevent themselves from getting the disease and well beyond not shaking hands as senator merkley so correctly pointed out. People arent getting on airplanes, dont want to travel. What goes through kind of what the Economic Impact is of this, right now, but also in the long term . What are we looking at sneer. The problem is a lot of companies, investors dont know how to read the situation an saying the impact of the emergency Federal Reserve rate cut of the last week wont know for 30, 60, 90 days what the impact of that will be and do to the economy and whether this will have been a flash in the pan. I was talking to an official over the weekend saying that the effort has gone from messaging to mitigation and that as of a few days ago they were really wondering why there hadnt been more prominent investors going out there saying keep calm, carry on, buy the market. This is all going to be okay and thats because people dont know how this is going to turn out. Corporate policy is relatively ad hoc and there have been anecdotal positives to this. If you can call it that. I have been on the campaign trail. Some businesses in iowa and New Hampshire said theyre getting business from the china supply chain. Cust mores dont want stuff coming from china but not enough business for them to hire more people for them to have a better economic outlook. They dont know. For people who are at home and maybe watching the markets tonight. Theres been a few headlines about futures for tomorrow that we can potentially see the market open lower. Tied in with oil. How does coronavirus connect to the oil market . The election we should also throw in there, too. The white house had been readying a package of economic stimulus items that they had hoped to release later this year and sort of been sped up because they want to try to figure out what to do now. The problem is when it rains it pours an not only have a global slowdown afoot with coronavirus and now a price war of saudi arabia and russia tanking oil and the futures, as well. That will threaten the viability of Oil Producers here in the u. S. An then you have new provocations from north korea and when it rains it pours and so many issues to deal with at once that its hard for the white house to figure out how to deal with one at a time. Complex set of problems to grapple with. We are just Economic Perspective<\/a> we need more funding, coordination and preparation. This hour the number of coronavirus cases has passed 500 in the u. S. 21 people have died. Congress acted this week to give 8. 3 billion in extra funding but that comes after years of grinding away at the Public Health<\/a> infrastructure. Its not as though we didnt have any warning. First, it was asia. Now 16 Million People<\/a> in northern italy are quarantined including the Financial Center<\/a> of milan and a quarter of the countrys population as the death toll there spikes above 300. Even the pope who has famously watched the feet of the infirmed video streamed the sunday blessing. Now ten american states have declaured emergencies and there are very real questions of how ready we are to test widely and treat american who is are infected. But the president has been defiant about the administrations response and his tone hasnt always quite hit the mark. We had a report today the global death rate at 3. 4 and a report that the olympics could be delayed. Your reaction to that . Well, i think that the 3. 4 is really false number. Now, this is just my hunch. If, you know, we have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that get better just by, you know, sitting around and even going to work some people will have this at a very light level and wont even go to a doctor or hospital. Theyll get better. There are many people like that. Young people seem to be you cant say immune to it but certainly numbers are very small. You know, you hear a lot of stuff of try not to shake hands. Its not stopped me at all. I havent touched my face in weeks. In weeks. I miss it. I get it. People are surprised i understand it. Every one of the doctors said how do you know so much about this . Maybe i have a natural ability. Maybe i should have done that instead of running for president. In ib that needs a test, thats the important thing. A ten tests are all perfect. Like the letter was perfect. The transcription was perfect. Right . This was not as perfect at that but pretty good. I told mike not to be complimentary to the governor because that governor is a snake. Okay . I would rather because i like the numbers being where they are, i dont need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasnt our fault. Sir, given the announcement of coronavirus are you going to hold rallies . Well have tremendous rallies and doing very well and done a fantastic job with respect to that subject on the virus. Joining me now is dr. Peter hotez, professor and dean for tropical medicine at Baylor College<\/a> of medicine. Thank you for coming on tonight. Thank you, so much. I appreciate it. Lets just start with where things stand right now based on what you know about the situation. This is expanding, two additional states. The Economic Impacts<\/a> seem to be encreasing. Seems to be a lot of conflicting information out there about what americans should be doing. In your view, how should people be adjusting how they go about the daily lives considering where this stand right now . Well, thanks for asking. You know, i think this week is a tough week and we are going to see an expansion in the availability of testing, two commercial labs starting tomorrow. Qwest diagnostics. That means physicians are going to have additional options for testing. And my prediction is as the testing increases were going to see a sharp uptake sharpen crease in the number of actual cases reported. Thats the first thing that will happen. The second is that we may because of that, we may identify new potential areas of community transmission. And so, that means we may be entering potentially another phase. I dont know if it will happen this week or next week but i think thats a likely scenario to see new areas of Community Spread<\/a> and so its really important how the administration, how the white house responds to that because, you know, some of the previous messages were not supported by data and now that we will have an increase in data i think its really important for either the Vice President<\/a> or his designate to come on and say, okay, we recognize that theres an increase in transmission, increase in number in cases and what well do about it. Im hoping as i have been talking about and as i testified in Congress Last<\/a> week that he identifies or he identifies the four major groups at risk and then say, okay, we recognize this. We realize this is a serious problem and heres what well do about it. So there were reports over the weekend that there was a lot of conflict inside, you know, behind the scenes at the white house about how strongly to come forward to the public and say, dont get on a cruise ship, dont get on a plane. You know . In the end they walked back from that. Dr. Fauci was on with chuck todd this morning being pretty clear that elderly americans should not get on cruise ships and recommended against long trips if you are, you know, elderly or you have an underlying condition that could make you particularly vulnerable. What recommendations should the government make in your view to limit that spread . So its a great question and the answer is, we have to base it on what we have already seen in central china, what we have already seen in south korea, what we have seen in italy and Washington State<\/a>. We have seen the same thing play out each time. It is not a mystery. We know older americans, especially those who are having understood lying debilitating conditions at high risk and forget about whether its 1 , 2 , 3 mortality. The point is we are looking at 10 to 20 mortality among that older population an we saw how this virus ripped through that nursing home. My understanding between 10 and 15 deaths now in 1 nursing home and could happen in any nursing home in the United States<\/a> right now where theres Ongoing Community<\/a> transmission. Thats all hands on deck to prevent that. Number two, dealing with the Health Care Providers<\/a>. We have seen in wuhan 15 of those infected out of thousand not only sick but severely ill and dont understand why because the Health Care Providers<\/a> getting cigger than predicted based on the age and the point is thats the second group to protect. Lastly, the First Responders<\/a>. Third First Responders<\/a> and then selected occupations, things leek people like uber drivers or taxi drivers and what i want to see come out of the white house this week if were seeing a big increase in cases is that specific messaging with real guidance on what we need to do because the heads of these Nursing Homes<\/a> and our hospital workers, nurses, nurse practitioners, they have to be protected. If they start to go down, then the whole thing collapses very quickly. Certainly a scary possibility. The Financial Times<\/a> wrote about some of the unique challenges that we have here in the states that, you know, perhaps some other developed countries dont face. Theyre concerned that a mix of high numbers of uninsured people, a lack of paid sick leave and the Political Class<\/a> down played the threat could mean it spreads more quickly than in other countries while our drugmakers look best set to find a vaccine, some fine its one of the worst affected by the global pandemic. Do you share those concerns . And what should policymakers do to address the high number of uninsured or underinsured people and many people dont have access to sick leave . Well, not a Health Policy<\/a> expert. Im a laboratory investigator who develops vaccines and no secret the Health System<\/a> overall in america underachieves. We leave behind a big bottom segment of society who are left without insurance, left without access to primary care Health Interventions<\/a> and, of course, theyre the one that is get it the worst. Theyre the one who is are also highly vulnerable groups so im glad you pointed that out and the ones if they do get sick dont have the backup in terms of paying the wages, insuring they support the families and hoping component of that whatever it is, 7 billion or 8 billion goes to help the vulnerable populations. Gandhi said a civilization is tested by the treatment of the population. Before you go, you mentioned that you are an Infectious Disease<\/a> specialist, codirector for the center of texas childrens hospital. You had worked on a treatment for a Novel Coronavirus<\/a> in the past. Can you just update us on where you stand in terms of moving forward on that . And if you have any new sense of how quickly we may be able to get a vaccine to market . Yeah. We developed we develop we developed the vaccines no one else will because its vaccines to have no financial return and primarily for neglected diseases of poverty and in poorer countries but about a decade ago we took on a Coronavirus Vaccine<\/a> program. No one else was entering into that space. We have a Coronavirus Vaccine<\/a> were excited about getting into Clinical Trials<\/a> provided to identify the source of funding to move it into the clinic and still at the stage writing proposals with the hope that some funding might come through to move that along and then were developing a sec generation one, as well. Vaccine development is complicated and pretty excited about our vaccine to advance it. All right. Doctor, thank you very much for your time tonight. We really appreciate your sober insights. Joining me now, democratic senator jeff merkley of oregon. Thank you for being on tonight. You bet. Good to be with you. So i want to start with a little bit of what dr. Anthony fauci told my colleague chuck todd on meet the press this morning. Watch. Are you more optimistic today than last week . Depends on what you mean by optimistic. We certainly now that we have tests out and get a better ndle but clearly concerned about Community Spread<\/a>. You have to be concerned about Community Spread<\/a>. So, senator, your home state declared a state of emergency today. You heard the doctor there, he says he is not optimistic or certainly did not come across as terribly optimistic of this next week to go. Whats your view of what were in for the next week and what you and your colleagues on capitol hill need to be doing about it . We are absolutely in the stage of Community Spread<\/a>. First three cases in the state and now 14 were Community Spread<\/a> and spreading for weeks and it is going to hit vulnerable populations and as we do more testing, we see more cases reported. To address this, we have to encourage people who are feeling symptoms to stay home and people cant afford it and we should have and i talked with the Vice President<\/a> about this last week. They should be encouraging employers to pay employees who have symptoms to stay home and many people with immigration status, green cards and so forth, are worried of the public charge issue, theyll lose the immigration status going to a Health Clinic<\/a> and the president should be saying absolutely clear you can did to a Health Clinic<\/a>. There is no risk. We need to make sure they understand, people understand that i. C. E. Is not hanging out at health inclinics so people get treated. So we need to really have clear leadership. The president said he had a natural ability in science. I think in this case the trutd truth is he has an inability to speak clearly and factually about the challenge were facing. This is breaking new. I apologize for springing this on you. I want to share it with the viewers and get your reaction. Senator ted cruz, his office just issued a statement. He was informed last night that ten days ago when he was at cpac he says, quote, i briefly interacted with an individual symptomatic and tested positive for covid19. That was a brief conversation and a handshake. He said hes spoken with the relevant authorities. He doesnt have any symptoms. It was ten days ago. He doesnt think that hes going to get sick and going to stay in texas. He is not going to come back to washington, d. C. After learning of this. What is your reaction, first of all, to this news to hearing that a colleague had an interaction with somebody whos sick . Also, the broader plans to protect our government and our congress in the event that this does continue to spread . Yeah. Absolutely. Well, he is modeling Good Behavior<\/a> saying he will self quarantine at home and stay away from the public and congress. The first end of that talking about having done a handshake, all this week i have been trying to do elbow bumps. It is hard to do. I have to explain to people trying the same thing. Doesnt work well. It is really hard. But its people get it. I held a series of town halls yesterday and after the first couple people, people started to say, i got it. Heres my elbow. Some folks say boot bumps. So were trying to bring that behavior and convey to people that really this is think of the flu. If you hand wash a lot, if you cough into your sleeve, if you use fluids on your hands, antiseptic fluid, thats not the right word, sanitizer, you keep your hands away from your face you greatly reduce the spread so this is the type of behaviors that all of us in leadership should be modeling. I did a video to convey this and i encourage other folks in elected office to do that. We have to really do everything we can to slow down the spread of this disease. Let me ask you about the state of play in your home state of oregon as we mentioned. Before there is a state of emergency, you talked about the Community Spread<\/a>. Would better access, quicker access to testing have potentially changed how this has played out in your home state in your view . How big of a failure was that in your understanding . Its a very significant failure. Those tests would have allowed us to understand better whos infected and had them get appropriate treatment or appropriate self quarantine to reduce the spread. So that the delay in testing is a factor. The messaging of the president is essentially that the democrats are politicizing this, a hoax, this does not help at all. This is a sort of thing, science based, we are in this together, we have 90 countries in the world that have infections. The numbers are going to go way up and we have to have a sense that politics is set aside. We are all in this together. All right. Senator merkley, thank you very much for your time tonight. We are, of course, thinking about your constituents in oregon and across the country who are dealing with this outbreak. Joining me now is washington correspondent kayla tausha. Lets listen to something that the president said on friday and then talk about it. We will have americans staying home instead of going to spend money in other countries and maybe a reason that the job numbers are so good. We have had a lot of travel inside the usa. So the Associated Press<\/a> fact checked the comments and wrote that is not a reason that the job numbers are so good. Kayla, this is you know the second half of the story, you know, as people are grappling with what to do here, obviously we have those who are ill and who need treatment and very focused on that. However, there are millions of americans trying to prevent themselves from getting the disease and well beyond not shaking hands as senator merkley so correctly pointed out. People arent getting on airplanes, dont want to travel. What goes through kind of what the Economic Impact<\/a> is of this, right now, but also in the long term . What are we looking at sneer. The problem is a lot of companies, investors dont know how to read the situation an saying the impact of the emergency Federal Reserve<\/a> rate cut of the last week wont know for 30, 60, 90 days what the impact of that will be and do to the economy and whether this will have been a flash in the pan. I was talking to an official over the weekend saying that the effort has gone from messaging to mitigation and that as of a few days ago they were really wondering why there hadnt been more prominent investors going out there saying keep calm, carry on, buy the market. This is all going to be okay and thats because people dont know how this is going to turn out. Corporate policy is relatively ad hoc and there have been anecdotal positives to this. If you can call it that. I have been on the campaign trail. Some businesses in iowa and New Hampshire<\/a> said theyre getting business from the china supply chain. Cust mores dont want stuff coming from china but not enough business for them to hire more people for them to have a better economic outlook. They dont know. For people who are at home and maybe watching the markets tonight. Theres been a few headlines about futures for tomorrow that we can potentially see the market open lower. Tied in with oil. How does coronavirus connect to the oil market . The election we should also throw in there, too. The white house had been readying a package of economic stimulus items that they had hoped to release later this year and sort of been sped up because they want to try to figure out what to do now. The problem is when it rains it pours an not only have a global slowdown afoot with coronavirus and now a price war of saudi arabia and russia tanking oil and the futures, as well. That will threaten the viability of Oil Producers<\/a> here in the u. S. An then you have new provocations from north korea and when it rains it pours and so many issues to deal with at once that its hard for the white house to figure out how to deal with one at a time. Complex set of problems to grapple with. We are just Getting Started<\/a>. Here this hour, when we come back, Bernie Sanders<\/a> is hoping to repeat a Pure Michigan<\/a> moment from 2016. Well have brand new reporting from the campaign trail and later with joe bidens campaign coming back to life, the senate leans into the investigation the president never got into the family. Were back after this. We present limu emu doug with this key to the city. [ applause ] its an honor to tell you that Liberty Mutual<\/a> customizes your Car Insurance<\/a> so you only pay for what you need. And now we need to get back to work. [ applause and band playing ] only pay for what you need. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Yes. Yes. Yeah sure. Yes yes. Yeah, yeah no problem. Yes. 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Joe biden is suddenly flush with cash claiming to raise 22 million in 5 days and spreading out 12 million in ads across michigan, illinois, ohio and missouri. The crowds at bidens event had been modest compared to Bernie Sanders<\/a> but thousands turned out in st. Louis and kansas city, missouri, competing there tuesday. Massive crowds joined sanders all weekend in the midwest and this morning. Joining me now reporter with the Washington Post<\/a> and msnbc analyst robert costa, washington correspondent kayla is back with us, correspondent for wbur and contributor kimberly at conditions and shaquille brewster. Bob, lets start with the state of the race. It is amazing just a week ago this race was completely different. The conversation we were having on sunday night that you had on Washington Week<\/a> on friday night. Utterly different than where we sit tonight. To the point that, you know, the map that we are looking at heavily favors biden in many ways because those hes poised for landslides in Southern States<\/a> even if the midwest states are tight with sanders. Biden could have a significant delegate lead. Its all about michigan. Senator sanders won michigan in 2016. Thats going to give him momentum f. He wants to have a long race to the convention in milwaukee. The problem for senator sanders right now is many of the voters who went with him in 2016 anticlinton voters, not necessarily senator sanders voters. He scrapped that visit to mississippi to get the voters out in michigan. Kimberly, i was with Bernie Sanders<\/a> when he won michigan. I remember how surprised everybody was back here in washington and in new york. I will say my producer and i were less surprised and felt like we were waving this flag that it could turn against Bernie Sanders<\/a> but to bobs point it does seem as though there has to be a dynamic at work that joe biden has less of a problem with a lot of the voters who backed Bernie Sanders<\/a> than Hillary Clinton<\/a> did. Absolutely. Thats a big part of it. Look. Bernie sanders did benefit of that weariness of Hillary Clinton<\/a>. He also benefited from rank and file union members. Im from michigan and a big backbone and also what helped propel him this year in places like nevada where a lot of those rank and file union voters even after the primary went and voted for trump in michigan. He was able to pull those. If he cant do that again, it is very, very difficult especially given bidens popularity there, much higher than Hillary Clinton<\/a>s to pull ahead in a state like michigan. He needs to win michigan big. It is a big question mark and it is going to be tough. This potentially also, kayla, how do you think the economic factors that are at play here are going to impact Bernie Sanders<\/a> . The state has swung to the democrats, the governor now pretty popular democrat, had been a republican previously. How do you think that overall trend is going to impact the primary with bernie and biden . President trump is the elephant in the room because the trade policy left very little room for both biden and sanders to actually differentiate themselves on that front. To kimberlys point, 28 of the electorate with a household member in a union and this election cycle, they havent come out and been public with the endorsement and hard to know where that vote will fall, certainly sanders has been going out to try to get that vote. We dont know where any of the united workers members are at. Just to continue on kaylas point, the economy is going to be everything. The big picture on trade and also what happens in the markets on monday . If were looking at a saudi price war in the oil markets globally, you could see the Dow Jones Industrial<\/a> average on monday become the global story and thats the eve of what happens on tuesdays primary day. You dont think necessarily of sanders of a candidate to win an independent voter but if the economy is that recession, if unemployment becomes very high, there will be a lot of people wondering where they get the health care, a lot of democrats in congress saying maybe 30 trillion of deficit spending is what the economy needs. That entire conversation could change depending on where the economy goes. Shaq, lets get you to weigh in on the conversation. You have been out on the trail with Bernie Sanders<\/a>. We have seen him make a couple of decisions that make clear hes ceding the south. Campaigning in michigan instead. He also had said he was going to deliver a speech focused on race in flint, michigan. Lastminute decision not to do that but the reality here is its all or nothing for him in michigan on tuesday. No . Yeah. You know the strategy right now, almost seeing the Sanders Campaign<\/a> trying to replicate the sense of momentum that Vice President<\/a> biden had going into super tuesday. He is on the campaign trail at the university of michigan with another big crowd. Hes got the endorsement of rev jackson and also feeling a seriousness heading into michigan. They know that with the 125 delegates up for grabs in michigan its an opportunity for them but its also carries symbolic significance. We are going to win the democratic nomination he may not admit it im asked every day, do you have to win this state, that state . Reporter this could be his final stand. Trailing after disappointing super tuesday, Bernie Sanders<\/a> finds himself in a familiar position. Were down to two. Reporter once again, the Party Establishment<\/a> coalescing, the field narrowing and the tension growing. You know excuse me im talking. Let him. Reporter like 2016 the polls had us down by 20, 25 points. A week ago. And it looks like well either win or be very, very close tonight. Reporter sanders is putting the faith in michigan. For a shift in momentum. On super tuesday, it wasnt even close as sanders struggled with black voters across the soit. By the nld of the week, he abruptly canceled the stop in jackson instead making the way to michigan to focus on the midwest voters that helped propel him four years ago. Bernie sanders is the projected winner. Reporter the campaign redeploying staff and packing the schedule. We need all hands on deck. We got our backs against the wall we coming out swinging only one candidate for president has consistently opposed every disastrous trade deal and that candidate is Bernie Sanders<\/a>. Reporter sanders again using trade to draw sharp distinctions. Secretary clinton supported virtually every one of the disastrous trade agreements. Does anybody think that joe can go to michigan and say vote for me, i voted for those terrible trade agreements . I dont think so. Reporter but as he campaigns on an american turn around in the midwest sanders is counting on a campaign turn around that starts in the midwest if he hopes to beat joe biden. It was in flint, michigan, to address the africanamerican community, something you referenced earlier. And instead he scrapped that speech. The audience majority white and stayed to the stump speech and relied on the surrogates up there to really have that direct target and that direct engagement. Shaquille, thank you. Kayla, sounds like you have a pretty busy week in store for you. When we come back, the president didnt get the investigation into the biden in the krukraine. Thats next. s next. sensei beautiful. 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Theres no question but the appearance of looking into hunt biden appears political and i think people are tired of the kind of political investigations and would hope if theres something of significance to be evaluated that it would be done by perhaps the fbi or some other agency thats not as political as perhaps a committee of our body. What a difference a day makes. That was thursday when republican senator mitt romney expressed concern over what he called the political nature and timing of a Senate Investigation<\/a> into the bidens. But on friday romneys office revealed that he will vote in favor of a subpoena for records regarding Hunter Bidens<\/a> work in ukraine after receiving any assurances that an interview would be in a closed setting. Robert costa is with me and robert is andrew is joining me. It seems romney is uncomfortable and would have been the one to ultimately making the call and blocking this, decided against this. Exactly. The committee with 586 republican majority and if one republican voted no its a 77 tie and no mechanism within that committee to break a tie and the subpoena would have failed. Its unclear what the chairman ron johnson said to persuade him to vote for the subpoena. But im perplexed at senator romneys reasoning saying he got assurances it wouldnt be a public speck kl of an interview with a ukrainian with chairman johnson said there will be a report in one to two months. I find it hard to believe this wont make it a public spectacle especially where well be in the democratic primary one to two months from now. Fair point. Republicans used closed depositions and other activities to their great political advantage during the benz probe. Exactly. Bob, lets broaden this out a little bit. This investigation at the bidens, this is about the election. But we are about to get overshadowed by a crushing series potentially of global events, including we were talking about this a little bit in the break, the oil market situation. How do you see the current state of play for the president as he looks to yes, talking about the primary but to face a democrat tries to hold on to the oval office in front of all of these potential calamities. Some sources were saying that the President Trump<\/a> Reelection Campaign<\/a> is not trump versus biden but the virus and so much of the spotlight in the coming weeks to shift to the administration and the president and the handling of this crisis both on a management front but also on an economic front but if you look that the committees investigation into the bidens, it tells you that we are in a period now and beginning a period of political war with this white house going after the bidens and mark meadows coming in as chief of staff affirms every republicans suspicion in recent weeks that the president turning to a campaign prepared white house, a campaign focused white house and meadows at the president s side for months if not years telling him to go harder at the bidens. Now a coordinated effort with the white house and congressional allies all targeting the potential democratic nominee. Andrew, you have covered mark meadows as we all have over the years and to bobs point, i mean, that does seem to signal we are entering a new phase here and again incredibly unpredictable and the president to grapple with coronavirus questions. Exactly. Back to the biden issue, Senate Republicans<\/a> are divided on this. Privately there is really a lot of internal consternation over this investigation that senator johnson and senator grassley are spearheading. I reported a week and a half ago that chairman richard burr actually confronted senators johnson and grassley during a meeting on december 5th saying that essentially their investigation into the bidens which began in the heat of the impeachment inquiry could be a potential front for russian intelligence and not be certain that the individuals who i mentioned before that the information coming into the committee would actually be credible and verifiable. Thats why you see democrats call for intelligence briefings, defensive briefings, rather, to verify what theyre told and the information and the documents they get to their committee as part of the investigation. So theyre divided on the question, not just the political nature of it but the sort of, you know, how it could affect with the relationship with the world. Certainly could be that they end up not giving the white house what they want. Exactly. Bob, andrew, thank you guys both for your reporting. When we come back, american women grapple with another election cycle without a female president. Thats next on International Womens<\/a> day. How have you been since dropping out of the race . Im doing just fine. My friends and family have been so supportive. Theyve been calling nonstop. Asking are you okay, what do you need . Were you electable . That kind of thing. At average risk. 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As the race has narrowed so, of course, has the diversity. Eventually the debates started to feature an allwhite cast men and women. Thursday, the last woman with a viable shot at the nomination left the race and leading to the reality for many women no matter what party wins four more years the white house will be occupied by a white man. Joining me former xhungs director of Kamala Harris<\/a> lily adams and former Senior Adviser<\/a> to Elizabeth Warren<\/a>s president ial campaign and the former Campaign Manager<\/a> for castros bid, maya rupert, Kimberly Atkins<\/a> back with us, as well. Lily, you know, i think there was something of an outpouring in the wake of Elizabeth Warren<\/a> dropping out that was in some ways it was angry but there was also other emotion underneath it. I feel like it came from women, some of whom perhaps didnt support Elizabeth Warren<\/a>s president ial bid, but there still was a lot of symbolism in her leaving the race that people really had a deep reaction to. Well yeah. I think it was such a gut punch because it was the culmination of after watching gillibrand get out and then senator harris get out and then Amy Klobuchar<\/a> get out that this was the culmination of no more women in the field and for folks Elizabeth Warren<\/a> was not the first pick it was a gut punch of a day. But i will also say that when we do elect the first female president it will be because of warren and harris and chisholm and the other women running for president before theyre chipping away at the highest, hardest glass ceiling. Maya, let me ask you to weigh in as somebody who clearly had a lot on the line when she dropped out, this was a personal situation for you and in addition to being something that the country watched unfold. Senator warren was asked about this and we played a little bit of what she said to our ali vitali and she said that, you know, thats no good answer for a woman politician to this question, if that you are sort of trapped either way when you talk about how gender plays out. What are your reflections on that question yourself as somebody whos worked the try to get women elected . How do you feel it personally . Honestly, i was so grateful for the way that she answered that question. That was a very genuine response from her and i think it does lay bear that double standard that women feel not just in politics but consistently in so many industries. You see it, you know that its different for you. You know that your anger is metabolized differently and the willingness to compromise and no right way to be but saying it out loud theres a social cost that you pay. But then when you dont say it out loud you know youre sort of betraying sisters who are feeling this exact same thing and pretending like it doesnt exist and just the fact that there is that that there is that tension at all is the tension. Right . It is the you see it but its supposed to be unspoken butunsp. But if you cant speak it, we cant ever fix it and its everywhere, its invisible. But its very, very powerful. So i was great half the she said it. I was grateful she said it so plainly. Because i think for a lot of people just being able to hear someone say it out loud, theres catharsisism in that, that people can say i feel that too. Im not running for president , i feel it in my job. This is not the only place it plays out. It especially plays out for women of color. So i think its a big issue, its something we all really grapple with. So i was really grateful for her, her candor in really discussing that, to that question. Yeah, and it definitely hits home. Kimberly atkins, one thing that i certainly have grappled with personally in how we cover women on this show, cover politics on this show. The media plays a role and how ideas and perceptions are shaped. Some people will say oh, Elizabeth Warren<\/a>, shes a professor, she sounds like shes lectu lectureing. Not a word we use to describe male politicians, ever. Its something she had to fwrap him with day in, day out. Grapple with day in, day out. What is fair objective reporters in covering these candidates to make sure that we are not throwing up a road block in an unfair way . Yeah, i think its important for members of the media to be conscious of that in a lot of examples. You know the idea when she largely, you cant say she didnt run a good campaign. She ran a very good campaign. She made very few mistakes. I think its clear the bar was set at a different level for her than perhaps for other candidates. So when you evaluate a stumble, an answer that was good at a debate, you have to measure just hospital you give to that. And how much you amplify that. But one thing that she said, too, along with saying that it is hard talking about that trap, she said that there will be more to be second in the future. I think one thing she will talk about this. She will talk about i want and address it. Because like in 2016, when you had people that are excited about the prospect of a woman being elected. They talk about bringing daughters to the election booth on election day. That was a massive moment so this was a massive deflation for everyone. And i think having her come forward now afterwards, after shes had time to have some space from her own campaign and be in a place where she can talk about how women are treated in politic, in other industries. I think that will be very helpful to help rebound and help people alleviate some of the fears. The voters had fears about voting for a woman, whether a woman can win. I think its women. Right. So i think as people speaking out about that that will help break that down. Really quickly before we wrap up here. You worked for kamela harris, who was a woman candidate. How much time for people e people who feel we should be passed this, we nominated a woman last time there. Is no reason why we shouldnt have a woman president how much do you spend time thinking about that when you try to run a president ial campaign . I think you think about it every day, in small ways and big ways, its pervasive. It colors a lot of peoples viewpoint. Every single day are you challenging reporters, pundits, voters to see something that they have never seen before. And that requires a leap of faith and a leap of imagination for folks that other people dont have to jump over that barrier. So i think it really does its something that every campaign i think thinks about once a day, but hopefully not for the entire day. But its still a challenge to figure out how to get over that hurdle. Hopefully, as the years go by, this will become less of a hurdle. Literally adams, Kimberly Atkins<\/a>, thank you very much for that conversation. We have much more kasiedc coming up right after this more coming up right after this insurance so you only pay for what you need. Almost done. What do you think . I dont see it. Only pay for what you need. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. This new Samsung Galaxy<\/a> on verizons 5g network is a big upgrade. This is ultra. The new Samsung Galaxy<\/a> s20 ultra 5g powered by verizon 5g ultra wideband. 5g ultra wideband is so much faster than even my home internet. With ultrafast speeds. In the gaming world, if you lag youre done. With verizon 5g ultra wideband, i dont worry about lag. 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The best tv experience is the best tv value. Xfinity x1. Simple. Easy. Awesome. Xfinity. The future of awesome. Welcome back too the second lawyer of kasiedc as the coronavirus spreads here in the United States<\/a>, new reporting is trickling out about the internal debate inside the white house about what exactly to do about it and what exactly to tell the american people. The New York Times<\/a> reports, quote, even as the governments scientists and leading Health Experts<\/a> raise the alarm early and pushed for aggressive action, they faced resistance and doubt at the white house, especially from the president about spooking Financial Markets<\/a> and inciting panic. Heres what larry kudlow had to say about the virus back on february 25th. We have contained this. We have contained this. I wont say air tight, pretty close to air type. Here thanks february 25th. Here is what kudlow said on friday. Regarding the containment issue, i will still argue to you that this is contained. It cant be air tight. But i think it is relatively contained. So in between february 25th and friday, those two sound bytes, the number of confirmed cases in the u. S. Went from about 50 to more than 200. And there are now more than 540 cases nationwide, asked about the mixed miamis from the administration, u. S. Surge jerome adams said this morning, quote the messaging quite frankly is hard and hud secretary ben carson seems to prove his point is the to dock in oakland tomorrow with 21 cases positive on board. As you know the Vice President<\/a> met with the ceos of major Cruise Ship Companies<\/a> yesterday and they are coming up with a plan within 72 hours of that meeting. The ship is docking tomorrow. The plan will be in place by that time. But i dont want to preview the plan right now. Shouldnt you be able to do that . I think it needs to all come from a solitary source. We shouldnt have 16 people saying what the plan is. Okay. Particularly when it hasnt been fully formulated. Wow, joining me is senator patty murry. Senator, thank you for being here. I want to talk about the news coming out of your statement just a second. First i was watching your reaction there. Talk about what your reaction is to how the administration is handling it. I am so frustrated. I am sad for the people being impacted. I am frightened there is not a sense of urgency from this administration to deal with the very real issue. Not in creating panic. But an urgency to see what i am seeing in my home state and soon to be more. Lets talk about that. There have been 19 constituents who have died from this virus so far. What have you seen oak about whats going on and where do you think this goes next . Well, everybody is deeming with this. Families told to stay home if they are sick. Businesses telling their employees to telecommute. Schools that are being shut down and families having to deal with the reality of a virus that is now had a fatality of 18 or 19 people. People know these people. So people are worried. Theyre frightened. Theyre scared. They want facts. They want accuracy. They want a plan. They know somebody is in charge and doing something about this and i am frustrated. I am sure people they look at you. Theyre your United States<\/a> senator. They say certainly you must know more than our deposit. What have you told you about this . You know when the first case happened in Washington State<\/a> way back in january, senator Lamar Alexander<\/a> and i started having hearings with the agencies pack here to say what are you doing . And it was, well, were going to take care of it. Well have tests when we have them. In a couple weeks. The test didnt really happen. Now we are seeing the number of cases grow. Well, well have a million. Well have a millionandahalf. Never accurate. When you are in a place when are you sick or your Family Member<\/a> is sick and you want to know if this is a coronavirus or how you should deal with it. You hear that, its a millionandahalf, ill get one. Thats not happening. So people are making decisions, whether its about closing their business or their school or keeping their family home based on wrong members and that is creating lot of havoc. Its also creating an unsafe place for people. They need to get a handle on this. The message from washington, d. C. And the planning from washington, d. C. Has to be whats happening on the ground and theyre not needing that. What do you think the president should be doing at this point . What should the response look like . Well, okay. The tests were one thing. We dont know now. We know i think its 120, 130 positive cases. We know the mortality rate is almost at 20. Just knowing that, they havent counted anybody and there is a lot of people out there sick. Getting a new process so people have facts that they can deal with it is really significant so people make the right decisions. But now we know it is spreading. Not just in my state. Other states. What are the plans and how do they help School Districts<\/a> that have to close, that have medically fragile kids, nutrition programs. How do they deal with kids whose parents have to be at work. To businesses that are shutting down. Hough do we make sure that people actually stay home . Take the nursing home in my state that we know is so highly impacted. There is a lot of hourly wage workers. Some are sick. All will being told to stay home f. You dont have the income. Have you stay home. Thats why we need to have emergency family paid sick leave for people of low incomes. But we also need plans and nobody is developing those or sharing them broadly across the country. That to me is just really what is wrong with all of this. I saw senator schumer and nancy pelosi put on a statement calling for some of those policy descriptions. I want to ask you, ted cruz announcing tonight that he shook hands with somebody now showing symptoms of the coronavirus. He says hes going to stay home in texas. He doesnt plan to get tested. He is not showing any symptoms. What is the potential impact to the functioning of our government as this spreads . What do we need to be doing at the capitol to make sure the functions are protected . Well, since my state is on the front of this, we have been facing this for a number of weeks now. And we are taking measures to make sure that we are keeping our offices clean, door handles, things like that. When people come in, we are a no handshake office now, which is hard to learn and we are finding now that a lot of people are cancelling their plans and not coming. I expect other states see this, they will see the other impact. Let me ask you, senator rick scott, republican florida, he seems to echo some of your criticism. He writes the lack of publicly released information surrounding these cases is alarming and unfair to millions of families across the nation who are worried about their well being. He says they announced he had died of covid19 before they were aware there were cases in the state of florida. Do you sense this is going to become . Is there going to be pressure from both sides of the aisle and the president about the response . I seen pressure on a number of aisles for a number of weeks now. When the president sent over an emergency supplemental, it was not enough. Mr. Senators said this is not going to help our communities cope with this i sense all of them. Because were the ones that go home. We talk to our local fishlgs i talked to mayors, county officials, School Directors<\/a> struggling with this. We see the real life impacts oak. So the sense of urgency we feel is not mirrored by the white house and this administration. We cannot have that. Senator patty murray. We are, of course, thinking about everyone back in your home state and hoping that all of those who are working to contain this outbreak can succeed to the best of their abilities. Thank you. We have so much news today, abc news found Many Americans<\/a> are not turning to the cdc for information about the outbreak. But they are actually looking to facebook and particularly facebook groups that are number of misinformation. Nbc news report were writes quote in one popular group, members suggested the coronavirus was a democratic plot. In another it was said to be ork stated bety deep state. In one it was a bioweapon it was blamed on the government. In other it was an insidious plan by vaccine researchers in the United States<\/a> to make money. Brandy joins me now from new york. Brandy, it safe to say facebook has more work to do when it comes to trying to contain the spread of misinformation open facebook especially as it relates to the coronavirus. We have seen them stumble around political misinformation. The stakes here are so incredibly high. Yeah, unlike political misinformation, facebook is really taking this seriously so a couple of weeks ago, the w. H. O. Said we have a an info demdemic infodemic, creating confusion, people lose money on scams, its epidemic proportion. We need to do something about it. If you go search right now and you put coronavirus in the search bar, you are going to get reliable information. Are you going to get the cdc. You will get good stuff. The problem is facebook has changed the way they use the platform. They want people to use the platform. They really promoted these groups. In these groups, you are getting the misinformation theories, scams and thats crazy. Of course, they have been pushing this, i saw an ad for facebook groups when i was watching tv this morning. Thank you very much for your reporting tonight. Joining me on set, phil rutger, msnbc political analyst and author of the book a very stable genius msnbc contributor shauna shops and snbc political analyst jonathan le mere. Phil rutger, let me start with you. We were just talking with senator murray about how the white house has responded or not responded to this. The New York Times<\/a> and your paper as well as the a. P. Writing about some soft tension behind the scenes at the white house over the last few days about just what to tell the public. Ben carson couldnt say what the administration was going to say tomorrow about this. Do they have their messaging straight. What is going on behind the scenes with the president . They do not, casey, its been weeks of infighting inside the Trump Administration<\/a> and mixed messages. In part, by the president , himself. Hes trying to present a far rosier picture than the scientists are willing to than the truth or facts would allow. Thats created a lot of problems from the messaging in the administration. Vice president pence has taken the lead role of leading the task force, giving daily updates. Hes been far more sticking to the numbers. The reality from the scientists. The problem continues to be President Trump<\/a>. We saw him for the centres for disease headquarters in atlanta on friday. He gave a monologue of a stream of consciousness about his own abilities, his own natural hi. Exactly. Not on the same page as the scientists who came out after him. Johnson le mere what is your sense of pressure on the president behind the scenes . What are the factions . Who is he listening to . Who is he in the listening to . What kind of things will listen to . The president is listening to his own gut on this, which becomes the pmo particularly of late to phils point, hes exactly right. The president has been keeping calm. Thats appropriate for any leadership, executive during a time of crisis. But not so appropriate as his misrepresentation of the facts. The cdc appearance on friday in particular was stunning in that regard. Where he said anyone that could get a vaccine would get one. Thats not true. The Vice President<\/a> and others said it could be a year before a vaccine is readily available this cruise ship, how he didnt want it to dock. Because he didnt want those cases to come to the United States<\/a> and add to the nations total inflicted by the coronavirus. Which is again a short time later, the Vice President<\/a> said no, it will be allowed. We will find a port for it. He is deeply concerned on two levels. First there is managing a global crisis. There is concern on both side of the aisle the Trump Administration<\/a> has not done all that well. Secondly the Economic Impact<\/a>. Thats how this president in particular is viewing this. I was with him in india who weeks ago, the markets took a tumble. He was peppered with questions not about necessarily the Health Impact<\/a> on american citizens but rather what it was doing to wall street. That has continued ever since. No president has ever tied his fortunes so closely to the stockmarket as this one. He knows if the economy was to slow down here, it would be a crippling plo etoo his reelection efforts. Shauna thomas, absolutely the role of a leader in a crisis to try and urge calm, not incite panic. Not communicating what they should be doing to protect themselves runs the risk of making the crisis worse, no . Exactly. We know the president cares about economy for political purposes especially in this Election Year<\/a>. But not having a unified message coming from the white house also freaks businesses out. So the coronavirus, itself, is going to screw with supply chains. Its going to make everything harder when it comes to business. We know that thats bad enough. But businesses are looking around the world, theyre looking to see what is going to be americas response and how clear is that response going to be and his response sort of being contradictory to what fauci was saying on meet the press today doesnt make these businesses more confident. It means theyre not sure what they should do either. Phil, the Political Risk<\/a> here. First of all, the very real risk to the country institutions, its population, very serious. For the president in many ways this is a perfect storm. Jonathan le mere mentioned his reliance on the stockmarket and the economic numbers that you know are key to any incumbent winning reelection. But this also is the kind of thing that engages literally every american and highlights this president s propensity not to tell the truth and in this case you know the damage isnt simply spinning up his own supporters, its potentially very real damage to peoples lives. Yeah, this is so much bigger than partisan politics and the problem for the president there is three years in office hes rejected fact, information from the experts in the government. Hef has trusted his gut as john le mere said over the expertise of the people around him. Thats created a decisionmaking apparatus inside the white house thats being tested now for the very first time in a real crisis. Its not a crisis of his own making. Its not firing the fbi director or Something Like<\/a> that. Its a Public Health<\/a> crisis that affects every american. Everybody is paying attention. Thats really the point. Everyone wants to hear what the president has to say, the white house has to say. Theyre afraid. Theyre afraid. Its hard to spin that. Everyone has a mom, a dad, a child in any of this. I think we dont know whether to shake hands in our normal daytoday life, a quick last word to you. Any indication that the president is going to change course here in the next week as clearly the repercussions of this ramp up . It clearly seems to be optimism if you put pence up, he would talk with a unified voice with pence and for a few days, the briefings seem to follow that track. The cdc visit was scatter shot and haphazard and undermined in a lot of peoples eyes, what people have done in recent days. The president seems to unable to be the public face of this even though hes advised to let others stay forward, including the Vice President<\/a> be the point person. The president he cant not be the center of attention it seems. It seems this is another moment perhaps to his political per im. Very briefly, he was a Real Estate Developer<\/a> and a politician, asserting his own set of facts, reality, often lying in order to do that he has a lot of his supporters believe him over, you know, a big quote fake news media. This is a harder sell. This is going to touch everyones lives. They will see their School District<\/a> close, their elderly neighbor get sick. You cant get Hand Sanitizer<\/a> at any supermarket or drug store. It will be harder to suggest hey this is no big deal when theyre seeing in their own lives that it absolutely is. Its a great point. People who never bother to Pay Attention<\/a> ever to what donald trump said at a rally or follow politics at all are going to be dramatic ally affected be i this already are being affected by this. All right, we are just Getting Started<\/a> tonight. Still to come, joe biden back from the brink as he and Bernie Sanders<\/a> fight for the soul of the democratic party. First historian jon meacham joins me live with a long view of the president s and how they handle crises and ones that go beyond their own control. Thats next. T go beyond their own control thats next. R almost anything. Even a gold medal grizzly. sports announcer what an unlikely field in this final heat. burke not exactly a skinny dipper, but we covered it. At farmers, we know a thing or two because weve seen a thing or two. So call 1800 farmers to get a quote. We are farmers. Bumpadum, bumbumbumbum to feel exhilaration. It all starts with an invitation. The invitation to lexus sales event now through march 31st. 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Joe biden will do very well. When you go to the midwest, people want to know about your views on trade. Are you saying that joe biden will lose to President Trump<\/a> if hes the nominee . It will be hard for joe to defend a record on trade. The latest on the coronavirus. The messaging, quite frankly, is hard. Has the president been perfect in his communication . I would say he hasnt communicated the way i would. Are you more optimistic today . It depends what you mean about optimistic. Clearly im worried about spread. There are a lot of tests. We do not have the ability to give a test to everyone who wants one. Everybody doesnt need a test. Its our responsibility to protect the vulnerable. No large crowds, no long trips, above all, dont get on a cruise ship. You have a bit of a raspy voice, have you tested yourself for the coronavirus . My raspy voice is the fact that im talking too much on tv shows. I think we are all anxious to hear from him in this period of time. Welcome back to kasiedc. In the New York Times<\/a> they say the coronavirus the coming for trumps presidency n. 2016, we elected a china hawk that promised complete shutdown in response to threats. A germophobic critic who promised to put the National Interests<\/a> in all is if danger of losing his presidency. When the great test came carried by a virus from communist china, he didnt take the danger seriously enough. Joining seems to me president ial historian and msnbc contributor jon meacham. Its always great to have you on the program, sir. We have been talking, were down in the details, how many folks have been affected by this, where the test kits are . But the reality is this represents the kind of Election Year<\/a> test that makes or breaks legacies and president s. How do you see the potential for this pandemic affecting or defining President Trump<\/a> . Well, at a fundamental level, people want one thing from government. They want security. Whether that is against terrorists, against foreign foes, or against disease, thats the central claim. To utterly dork out. Owlss. John locke. This is the social contract. Right. This is the reason we go from a state of nature to a state of government. With esurrender certain rights and certain liberties that we would have if we were just all by ourselves. Because we dwell if greater safety in community. And if the government cant pro i that safety within that community, then its a fundamental breakdown. And that seems hyperbolic. But i think what you were just saying a minute ago with everybody is exactly right. This is a existential question. Because its not abstract. This is not ukraine. This is not releasing the aid. This is not the president tweeting something off randomly. This is whether you shake hand. This is whether you get on airplanes. This is whether you will make your quarterly numbers, if youre in business. And then, without being alarmist, it could be about whether you live or you die. So, it doesnt get much more fundamental than that. And what americans want from the intuitively from their government is to borrow an old phrase fromdukakis from 30 years ago, they dont want ideology, they want competence, competence has been in short supply, not just from this administration, competence has been closely associated with federal action. Its one of the Reasons Trust<\/a> in government is down almost 60 points from 1965. At the same time, the Obama Administration<\/a> did very well with sars. George w. Bush reached out with petfar. You know, we have had largescale Public Health<\/a> successes in this country and this is a time for that. John, how do you see i mean i think you know the broad point we were talking about this a little before the break this is fojz be something that every single citizen of the country tunes into, is focused on, thinking ability. Thats very different from the way our polarized politics has operated in a daytoday way and you know there have been some folks who have compared this as something thats outside of this president s control to say what happened with jimmy carter and the iran hostage crisis late in his term and how he handled that and it became a defining issue. I mean, how do you see how americans are going to judge this president playing out in the context of coronavirus . Well, right now, and its kind of fascinating and proves the point. Right now everybody is still in their corner. Right. I think people who support the president believe that the premise of the conversation like this is hyperbolic and antagonistic towards the president. I think that people who dislike the president and disapprove of the course hes led the country on thinks we are out being hyperbolic or antagonistic enough. So thats where america is. This is pretty fundamental. Again, if there can be a competent reaction, then we will credit the federal government, the president specifically that it may happen in spite of him. Then that will be fine. But this is transcends politics. This is about governance, which is a different thing. And we dont focus on it much, because its not all that interesting. But this is a massive undertaking, particularly since the new deal. And the fire is rock fuel, somewhat literally in the 1960s with the great society. Even president reagan, the great government is not the solution to our problems. Government is the problem. He increased the federal government, actually. George Herbert Walker<\/a> bush historically gets enormous credit for handling crises without letting bad things happen. He didnt get much credit in real time so have you this push and pull in american life, where we dont want government until we do. Until we need it. Right now we want it. Until we need it. Until we need it. Right now we need it. Ive got a 15yearold and an 11yearold daughter who are following coronavirus alerts with an incredible level of attention. I suspect thats happening all over the country. Its as intimate and real as it can get. I think all of us are following it very certainly thinking about whether or not we shake hands with anybody who sits down anywhere and, of course, worried about our relatives who may be more vulnerable. Jon meacham. Sit tight. We want to talk about your new book. When we come back, Bernie Sanders<\/a> versus the establishment. A rematch. We are back after this. Establishment. A rematch. We are back after this as a struggling actor, i need all the breaks that i can get. At liberty butchemel. Cut. Liberty mu. Line . Cut. Liberty mutual customizes your Car Insurance<\/a> so you only pay for what you need. Cut. Liberty m. Am i allowed to riff . What if i come out of the water . Liberty biberty. Cut. Well dub it. 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We have buttigiegs person in charge checking. I havent spoken to Amy Klobuchar<\/a>, knowing her i doubt that was exactly what happened. However, Bernie Sanders<\/a> clearly sees it that way and is likely to spin up his supporters. True. Thats what he wants to do. He wants to spin up his reporters. He ran against the establishment in 2016. Part of why america knows who Bernie Sanders<\/a> is, is he did pretty well in the democratic primary there. I doily the even pete is saying there isnt establishment people. We dont know about Amy Klobuchar<\/a>s team, although i doubt theyd admit to that if they did. There the an establishment argument that i think spoke to both pete and amy, right . And the argument about especially down ballot races and what does having a democratic socialist running at the top of the ticket do, to these redtoblue districts that the democrats are able to win in pennsylvania, michigan and that kind of thing. So, while, you know, creating some Conspiracy Theory<\/a> is probably not necessarily the best thing to do right now, there is an establishment argument here that works against Bernie Sanders<\/a>. Yeah, jonathan le mere, as i sort of think about that, pull that apart, i xofrd Bernie Sanders<\/a> in 2016 i loved Bernie Sanders<\/a> in 2016. Its clear to me the energy and anger that he brings, with reporters fed up with the status quo. On the flipside the consolidation of the field and frankly conversations that you have with independent voters, swing voters, whether they be democrats or disaffected republicans, its almost in some ways sounding like maybe its the establishment another year. You know, this has been joe biden another entire architect. Right . Lets go back to something that is more normal than what we see every single day from President Trump<\/a>. Right. Its an argument for the return to normalcy and also the priority of democrats simply being to beat donald trump. It seems to me that weve seen a merge here in the last few weeks in particular, is not necessarily taking a gamble on a more progressive candidate, maybe the one who more closely aligns with voters of individual values and the idea of electability who can win. Having said that, it was certainly stunning how quickly things coalesced around biden. He fared so poorly in idaho and not that much better in nevada and because of south carolina, the clyburn endorsement, the huge margin of victory it did push klobuchar and buttigieg to run out. They were also both rounding low on campaign fund. So i think there is real frustration on the sanders side, where it felt like they had a momentum and they were stopped cold. But another thing that shouldnt be overlooked is another candidate was positioned to be the alternative until Elizabeth Warren<\/a> eviscerated him on that campaign stage, had that not happened, maybe he does well on super tuesday splitting the moderate vote and Bernie Sanders<\/a> picks off a few more states and the race looks different than today. Phil rutger, all this is well and good. Tuesday will be another big night, the tuesday after that looming over all of this is coronavirus. I mean at one point does this campaign have to come to a screeching halt . This president has been holding rally itself. Bernie sanders had thousands of people in chicago. At one point does it simply become irresponsible to do that. Well, that conversation seems to be starting number. Trump has been adamant over the weekend he would continue to have tremendous rallies. Thats his word. But there arent any on the schedule right now. What we saw earlier in the primary season is trump would go where the democrats are, be every the iowa caucuses, he did a rally in New Hampshire<\/a>, iowa. Not in michigan. Tomorrow where biden and sanders are going to be. So we have to see. I think there seems to be no indication that the biden or Sanders Campaign<\/a>s will slow down their trail activity and their rallies. But if coronavirus continues to expand, as we are seeing it in recent days, that could be something that happens. I mean every business, everyone is thinking about it. I have to think these campaigns are trying to figure out what is the best way to deal . Its simply irresponsible not to be thinking about it. The candidates, themselves, are older. Theyre in their 70s. Its a very higher risk population with this. Thank you guys so much for being here tonight. When we come back, we will dig deeper into michigan with congresswoman Debbie Dingell<\/a> and congressman roh conna. 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And my lack of impulse control, is about to become your problem. Ahh no, come on. I saw you eating poop earlier. Hey my focus is on the road, and thats saving me cash with drivewise. Six states are up for grabs in the president ial race on tuesday and michigan is the most delegaterich among them. 125 delegates at stake. Bernie sanders stuns the political world back in 2016 by beating Hillary Clinton<\/a> there despite trailing by wide margins in most polls. But this time around, the New York Times<\/a> reports Bernie Sanders<\/a> might have a michigan problem. Joining me now Debbie Dingell<\/a> of michigan and ro conna, a cochair of Bernie Sanders<\/a> campaign. I remember having there conversation with you in 2016. You were not surprised, unlike many people, when Bernie Sanders<\/a> won michigan. Neither was i. I was on the ground with the Sanders Campaign<\/a> in michigan. Where do you assess the state of the race this time around compared to 2016 . So i just got off the plane. I came here to be with you. I was at many events over the weekend. I think that the senator is very likely to win my district again. Which he did by a significant number. I do think he is having to work. By the way. Hes all over my district hes doing five or six events before he leaves in my district alone. Remind people. Its ann arbor. Michigan. A significant Muslim Population<\/a> which is supporting him. Down river is barry i had a lot of trump voters, some are voting for senator sanders this weekend, because donald trump is telling them to. So its a complicated district. I think senator bind has said in a lot of i feel the ground is four years ago i felt the ground moving. I was very worried. This time i think its very competitive. The Vice President<\/a> doesnt get to michigan. Well work it tomorrow. Senator sanders has been working it really hard. Bernie has been working it hard. I think its fluid in the next 48 hours. Congressman, what are the stakes for Bernie Sanders<\/a> on super tuesday . Is it make or break . He needs to do well no, doubt about it. He needs to get his fair share of delegates. Let me say secretary dingell has been the leader in single payer. That is something senator sanders is running on. Its going to help us in michigan. His stance on going against bad trade deals and standing up for Union Workers<\/a> will help us. The fact that he can get trump voters is the reason why hes the most electable. What is your view in the event it continue to turn against senator sanders. I mean, even if he pulls it out in michigan, its still going to be a close fight. Which means he may split the delegates with joe biden. He is looking at sweeping across the south, if he is able to notch landslide victories. That will make the race more and more lopsided. Is Bernie Sanders<\/a> committed to saying in this if that is what unfolds and biden develops a clear lead . I think the race is still fluid. Lit come down to the debate on march 15th. They are finally one on one and contrast each ought. When he had 70 winning. Another day another person, all we snow this is unpredictable. We finally have a oneonone race. I think senator sanders message will contrast well in winning the states that we need in the midwest to win the presidency. Congresswoman dingle, michigan is more primary in the mind of our viewers and those who follow politics closely, the big question is, is donald trump going to be able to hang onto it in 2020 . Where is your take on where that stands . I think its competitive. The state is competitive. I this i the vote verse very strong feelings. Theyre worried about their jobs. We as democrats dont win it by being antitrump. We have to worry about working people. I will disagree with you on one issue. Medicare for all has become very complicated. Because people dont understand it. And i have to i feel very strongly, i think thats why i was elected to the congress. But i have to remind people my fatherinlaw wrote Social Security<\/a>. He got called a xhup yvette when he wrote it. Thesis first to introduce healthcare. Imals in union halls, i am yelled at. People are afraid of losing their healthcare. They dont understand it. So we have to talk about nit a way that tells Union Workers<\/a>, they dont have to worry about whether they will lose it any time. Were the only industrialized nation in the world that does not guarantee its citizens healthcare. But im not sure, it was an issue in nevada. And it is an issue from michigan. Im getting it in union halls, im having to remind people that my fatherinlaw was called a communist when he wrote Social Security<\/a>. It was one of the key authors of Social Security<\/a> so people are, weve got to talk very, weve got to unite. The one thing stwre to do is unite. Thats why you are an experienced advocate for single payer. You have been making the case. Senator sanders plan would grandfather in a lot of the unions. The transition for them doesnt happen. Hes not actually said that, though. He said specifically people will lose their private health insurance. Hes talked about the unions, one getting the wage for what they would have and that it would not, if you look at his plan transitionings after four years. Most of the Union Contracts<\/a> would be grand fathered in and would not actually have losses. Thats why a lot of folks in the unions are supporting him. The important point is this was a part of our platform until 1980. When jimmy carter ran, he had to go to the aflcio. They asked to support single payer so labor traditionally supported this, because they understand that workers should be bargaining for wages, not based on healthcare. There is still the reality, a lot of the union plans, they get generous benefits, negotiated for them, they would each individually, people receive less under their plans medicare for all. The position is more than fourier contracts. Most are three or four years. Afterwards, they would be on medicare for all. Which is the overarching point here. I dont want to negotiate med compare for all here, if there is a lot of, got to write a bill thats going to take care of everybody. But it works in other countries. Congresswoman debra dingle and ro conna, this is a good pair. We could put in an opinion right now. When we come back, i will talk to president ial historian jon meacham about his new book. L hi meacham about his new book try wayfair. You got this woah. Yeah let me try all alright, get it blow it up thats what im talking about. Except thats my seat, so. All right, so maybe after the movie lets talk about that bedroom of yours when was she in our bedroom . Whove got their eczema under control. Rs, with less eczema, you can show more skin. So roll up those sleeves. And help heal your skin from within with dupixent. 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Yeah, you know, americas always been at her best when weve more generously nood aundd and applied the ufrply cations of what was the most important sentenced ever originally rendered in english, Thomas Jeffersons<\/a> assertion that all men are created equal. And every era that we want to emulate, that we openly commemorate, are areas where the story of liberty has advanced whether its lexingtonconcord, app maddox, seneca falls, selma, stone awa stonewall. You have a story that is not perfect. It is halting. The arc of a moral universe is long but it bends towards justice. It bends but it doesnt swerve. Its a slow story. At the heart of that american impulse for liberty has been a religious instability. I was in montgomery and birmingham and selma until this morning with a lot of folks you cover. It was the congressional pilgrimage with john lewis. He was on that bridge on bloody sunday because of jesus. And i think returning to that christian story actually gives us hope that we can get through the darkness of this particular hour. I certainly think we could all under whatever circumstances use a little bit of hope. The book is the hope of glory, john meacham, thank you very much for being here tonight. When we come back, a last thought here. E come back, a las thought here some things are harder than you thought. And others are easier. Like screening for colon cancer with me, cologuard. Im noninvasive and you use me at home. Im also effective. I find 92 of colon cancers using dna in your stool. So why wait . Cologuard is not for those at high risk for colon cancer. False positive and negative results may occur. Ask your Healthcare Provider<\/a> if cologuard is right for you. Most insured patients pay 0. Which is why when it comes to his dentures only new poligrip cushion and comfort will do. The first and only formula with adaptagrip cushioning technology. 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I just want to say thank you, greg, so much for all of your hard work. It really has made all of the difference. And we wish you all theest best. Thats going to do it for us at casey dc. Tonight at 10 00, Richard Engel<\/a> goes inside the fight against coronavirus. But first, whats eating america, Andrew Zimmern<\/a> digs into Voting Rights<\/a> and food. Good night from washington. This is an msnbc special series. Voting is as american as apple pie. I voted in every election since 1980. To me, the right to vote is as fundamental as the right to eat. Im traveling through some key battleground states. 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